| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:15) hi folks |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:48) Evening John |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:48) morning? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:50) Hi gang |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 19:51) Yo |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 19:52) John, who is right in front the camera at laptops
(back facing camera) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:53) When will the link to the webcast be up? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:53) I'm watching it |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:53) It's up |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:53) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/scripts/rammaker.asp?s=ip&ip=pc8.fujisawa.wide.ad.jp&dir=encoder&file=icann-0716-en&mode=rtsp |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:54) I keep refreshing the page, but don't see
the link |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:55) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/broadcast.asp |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:56) 404 |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:57) Yikes! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:57) so what do I do now? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:58) I'm on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/ |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:58) Try www.icann.org - there's a link there
to the realtime feed |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:58) Cool |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:59) it goes to the same page |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:59) What browser |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:59) IE5 |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:00) There's a setting in there that checks the
page each time you visit it, make sure that is selected |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:00) Otherwise it just gives you the cached page |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:00) i did a shift/refresh |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:01) I don't know if that overrides the settings |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:01) yes, but it's set to check each time anyway |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:02) think i'll reboot. brb |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:05) Meetings are about to begin. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:06) Evening folks. |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:07) I would like to Thank You Ben and John Wilbanks.
Hi Judith |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:07) Hello and welcome. We get to sit here
and listen, but not participate. It's an Open Meeting, as they say.
Please turn to page 1 of the script you've been issued, and follow
along. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:07) Evening Chris. :-) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:07) Evening? It's 9am! :-) |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:07) Cool Sunday morning cartoons! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:07) Oops! Good morning. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) Hi Judith! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) I had problems getting the feed. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:08) Here we go. Board's resolution on TLDs. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) You OK now? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) yep, thanks |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:08) Ben, can you turn up the volume? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) had to reboot |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) Hey Greg!!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:08) Hi Leah. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) hiya Leah, Judith, all :) |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:09) volume better now? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:09) Yup |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:09) a little, thanks. |
| <sivert> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:09) volume is great here :) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:10) Judith, BIG SPEAKERS! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:11) FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR APPLICATION FEE |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:12) Get outta here ... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:12) That's ridiculous |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:12) Per application or TLD? |
| <SivertThrane> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:12) hi |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:12) Per application |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:12) Solves the funding problems they talked
about the other night, doesn't it ... |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:12) Multiple TLDs? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:13) "one or more" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:13) Also totally excludes small businesses
from competing ... |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:13) no suprise there |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:13) ORSC should get together |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:13) Not really. What if IOD sponsored a
NPO by granting them the 50K fee? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:13) but why should they have to? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:13) NPO? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:14) Non-Profit Org (like .museum or .union) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:14) D.4.? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:14) Half the ORSC are NPOs |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:14) no, why should the roots have to get tgether
to apply? |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:14) They are staying within the parameters they
proposed this last time so far. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:14) Wow. $50K will limit the people... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:15) That's the purpose, Chris |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:15) limit, limit, limit |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:15) 3-5k from each for-profit will carry the
entire ORSC root |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:15) I don't mind sponsoring some NPOs |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:15) Well, it's change for large corps (to
be honest, us, too), but still... I have to like it because it limits
the applications, but I don't like it from an ethical sense. Sigh. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:16) Big picture or little picture? Gotta make
a stand somewhere |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:16) Why does Eshter look like she's having a
chronic sinus attack? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:16) I was gonna ask ... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:16) Probably dust off the hotel room mirror |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:16) duh |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:17) ha! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:17) Notice that just about all of the decisions
are delegated to "the president." |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:17) That would be Roberts, yes? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:17) Yes |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:17) yah - it's a "staff driven" org, so that's
to be expected |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:18) ooooh, was that a threat? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:18) Leah, there's delay between real-time
and the feed - can you be specific upon what you're remarking? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:20) Touton says "registrar" accreditation.
Doesn't he mean "registry"? |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:20) I noticed that Judith |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:20) Yes, I believe he mis-spoke. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:20) think he did, yes |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:20) Esther's remarks about confidentiality perhaps
being considered in whether the applicant would be considered appropriate |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:20) or worthy |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:21) Well, IOD has some confidential business
plans, but we don't want to show them to our competitors before we're
in the roots. Esther doesn't seem to care about that point. |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:21) It sounds more like they are righteously
concerned about people submitting applications and paying the fee
that have no chance of being approved at all. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:21) Or perhaps NSI still gets to "registry"
everything, and all the registrars get whatever new TLD's are bought,
including the TLD sponsor? (I notice mention of "sponsor" almost interchangeably
with "operator" ... ? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:21) That is obvious, but her remarks sounded
like a threat that if you want it to be "secret" perhaps you have
a problem making you unworthy |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:22) Chris, perhaps innovation is not in
their agenda ... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:22) Ben/John, do you know if there will
be a session for us (here in Japan) to comment to the board upon today's
meeting? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:23) If fee covers start-up, than how can
the whole $50,000 be nonrefuncable - what of those not accepted? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:23) That was my next question |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:23) Chris, there is no comment period today |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:23) How much can it cost them for start up? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:23) Those not accepted will have (in ICANN's
estimation) their $50K spent on determining their acceptance/non-acceptance. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:23) online or not. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:24) ah, they intend to "manage" how the registries
operate |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:24) Chris, that doesn't jive with what
Esther just said about what the bulk of the fee is to cover. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:24) John, what about tomorrow? I mean any
time in the next n days that this meeting goes on. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:24) for that, I have no idea... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:24) I'm getting on a plane tomorrow and going
home, personally... |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:25) ah, the old favorite word "abuses" - unspecified
as to what they might be |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:25) It would not surprise me if they did not
have a comments period. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:26) Boy! do we have lots of work to do. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:26) I will have the resolutoins html'ed in a
minute folks |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:26) great, John |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:26) Thanks John |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:26) This sounds more to me like putting
out an RFP to outsource an internal service .. or am I just jaded? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:27) no....I think that's exactly what it sounds
like |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:27) Look at the history, the "Internet Registry"
aka InterNIC was originally outsourced to NSI |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:27) Check RFC1591 and 1174 |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:28) Ooops I think it 1074 |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:28) JudithOppenheimer: i'd be impressed if you managed
to NOT be jaded :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:28) Tell me please what the reasoning is behind
personal domains? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:29) Jaded is good. ;) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:29) If that's the case, (a) they're just
doing lawyer mark-up-old-contracts stuff, and (b) there is precedent
to this, no huge analysis needed that justifies $50,000 per ... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:29) i.wanna.domain.name.for.my.<HtMl> |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:29) quite true, Judith, but....I think the unstated
part of the policy is to severly raise the bar to entry by financial
means |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:30) They really like the non-caucasions from developing
countries |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:30) Anyone need to borrow $50,000? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:31) Really want to help them |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:31) :wonders if a ":" is the action tag... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:31) Nope. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:31) Yesterday, it was obvious by Esther's comments
that ICANN does not feel obligated to help developing courntries |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:31) I use /me |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:32) Wilson makes sense, they're answer
to her is a non-answer that insults the intelligence. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:32) yep, Judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:33) anyone got a URL to Wilson's bio? i'm
curious... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:33) The concept has already been proven |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:33) Old news |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:34) Judith - http://www.icann.org/biog/wilson.htm |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:34) Resolutions are up, refresh your agenadas |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:34) It is also a short period of time to come
up with the applications and fees... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:34) Thanks, Greg. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:35) 404, John |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:36) JohnWilbanks: hmm.. nothing |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:36) Dena, I have to disagree. You either
have the fees or you don't. And a month (much less 2) is plenty of
time to get a proposal together. The idea here is that if you're not
basically ready now, you shouldn't really think about being in the
initial group. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:36) Yep, 404. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:36) My opinion, only. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:36) typo on our broadcast page, I'll fix it. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:36) Anyone know Wilson personally? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) coming up with $50k can be difficult in
60 days |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) I have the fee, but it's a slap in the face
to what Postel wanted |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) I was more thinking of their diversity issue
Chris...harder for smaller countries |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:37) (unless you borrow it from Chris <grin>) |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) i am sitting at a remote computer that really
stinks. I dont want to pull up other browsers. What is on the agenda
for the first few hours of the conference. |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:37) LeahGallegos: 50k is impossible to come up with
if you're... most people and organizations |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:37) Leah, the point is that if you have
to "come up" with $50K, you probably don't have the resources to build
out a registry. I may or may not agree, but that's the point. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:37) Roger, agenda comes up 404. |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) Hello Everyone 8^) Peace ! (From Los Angeles
-- The Cradle of the Internet) . . . |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:38) refresh your broadcast pages |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:38) and it should work |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:38) NestorRequeno: what!? hehe.. :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:38) John, this: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/agenda-pubforum-071600.html? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:38) "variety of geographic locations" = Marina
Del Ray, Palo Alto, Stuttgart... |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:38) JohnWilbanks: works now |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:38) lol, greg |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:38) Chris, you have a point. However, I still
think it is much too high if they intend to allow smaller entities
to get in. |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:39) Go to the UPDATE section on the broadcast page. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:39) And 50K is just not necessary |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:39) Follow the one link there. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:39) Chris, overall, other than the boredom quotient
of yesterday's meeting, do you feel anything significant came out
of the discussions, to at least warrant the light bill? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:39) Leah, if smaller entities can't come
up with $50K, how can they run a registry? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:39) Roger, the nice thing for me to do
would be to decline to answer. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:39) It may cost that here, but not in other
countries |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:39) Chris, that point is dead on, |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) no prob, chris. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) Chris they put the 50k into infrastructure |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) got it, Ben, thanks |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) If a registry can't afford to open the doors,
it can't afford the hardware, software, testing, etc. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) Better chance of survival |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) sinom, to operate properly, you have to
have the cushion |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) You cant open up shop as a registry, scraping
bottom. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) I liked the half a mil collateral idea better |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) That's the cusion |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) I think Chris is right, here - you don't
need to be in the initial group anyway, if you aren't already prepared
to fund operations and have a business model sufficient to raise capital |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) Sorry cushion |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:41) 50k.. i'm sorry |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:42) but if you have to give the 50K to ICANN
you don't have the cushion for your own start up |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:42) I'm just playing devil's advocate here. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:42) leah, truth is, thR 50k wouldnt break a
financially prepared company. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:42) Leah - poop. $50K is one day of operations
for many companies. If $50K is that significant, you're in a bad position
to be a registry. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:42) You need more that $50,001 |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) That's why the half a mil is better |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) I agree with Simon... |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:43) ChristopherAmbler: i think that's a problem
there |
| <SivertThrane> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) financial stability is important for the
task in question |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) The fee is a barrier to entry, the bank
letter backing the business model isn't |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) Won't you have to prove financial capability
anyway? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) Yes |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:44) What if something goes wrong, and there
is no money in the coffers to bail out the registry before Day One. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:44) if so, then why the 50K to ICANN? I just
don't see that high a fee being necessary. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:44) What a shoddy way to operate the internet |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:45) There is collateral to back the registry
for a year |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:45) No day one failures |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:45) brb |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:45) And I don't think they need that barrier |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:47) This is interesting...finding technical
assistance from people who aren't involved in running registries already |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:47) If they know how...they do. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:48) dang - I was going to send a check in AU
dollars |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:48) Well....Our Company knows how...but, we
aren't seeking Registry or Registrar.... |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:50) um - is it normal in ICANN for the president
to chair the meeting, rather than the board chair? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:50) normal, Greg? What is normal? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:51) Up is down - down is up |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:52) Good point |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:52) Good points by the board just now! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:52) yep |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:52) Flakey answer |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) bad, bad, bad |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) Wrong that 10 would be a strain! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) It's the same story as last night. They
don't have the staff, money, capability |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) well, you know my opinion on that one.... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) My comment last night was that if they don't
have the capability, why are they doing this job at all? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:54) hmmm..... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:54) Free food |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:54) And cocktails |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:55) now this is good |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:55) yop. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:55) that's what the hmmmmm was about, :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:56) IMHO... this is the Internet, billions
of $$$ flow around it, so it's unreasonable that they can't get money
and staff - I'd rather say that they're not so good at getting them. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) Perhaps if they were friendlier to the community
(all of it) they would be able to make some friends. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) I gotta agree with that |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) There is little confidence in ICANN so why
would the community want to fund it? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:57) howdy |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) Hi Gene |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) hi Gene |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:57) Leah, instead the internet routes around it |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:58) Bob, yup |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:58) And if this ambiguity keeps up, it will
be even more soe |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:58) oops so |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:59) The Internet desperately needs some
central coordination, both technical and political. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:59) ICANN was somewhat built to do that,
but they are failing to interpret that role (IMHO). |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:59) and why not, Esther? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:59) The concept HAS BEEN DONE! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:59) yes, but not governance |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:59) ORSC, SuperRoot, etc, etc. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:59) this is being structured as a government |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) Yes, Gene, and that is theproblem |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) Without international law |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) exactly |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) Hi James |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:00) Vittorio, I'd suggest ICANN's lack
of funding reflects its lack of popularity. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) Are you in the meeting? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:01) look, i want this to work - and i'm willing
to work with ICANN - but NOT be governed by them |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:01) morning/evening James |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:01) hi jamie |
| <JamesLove> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:01) I'm at the meeting. I'm happy about the debate
on the numbers, but think the $50k fee is a problem. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:01) OTOH, on some questions you need to
have someone taking a final decision. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:01) Gene, governed is what you already
are, by ICANN. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:01) Hi Jamie. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:01) i agree, 50k is prohibitive |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:01) Gene, I think we would all like to be able
to work with them, but they are making it very difficult |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:02) none of my tlds are governed by ICANN. They
WANT to govern them |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:02) There has to be some authority having
a final word on difficult questions, and everybody else should accept
its decisions. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:02) That's why it has to be representative
of everyone. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:02) vittorio, and who makes the final decisions?
ICANN is weighted on one side. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:02) Unless ICANN has the root, the contract
will be with DoC |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:02) Vittorio, why? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:02) (If we had a world government in place,
everything would have been easier :-( ) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:03) I disagree |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:03) Vittorio, you're joking, yes? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:03) Oh yippee, I can uncover my 666 tattoo |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:03) vittorio, that is a blind view |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:03) Hmmm.. how else could it work? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:03) Roller Ball is here |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:03) The lack of funding also reflects the lack
of a co-ordinated funding effort, lack of a full time fund raiser
(unbudgeted) and a series of budget decisions that could only be called
naive if proposed by less experienced people. Under the circumstances,
I think "lack of funding" makes a convenient excuse for "we don't
want to do it" |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:04) Just let the market do everything? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:04) How has it worked until now? Rather
well, I think. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:04) (I agree with Greg Burton) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:04) USG paid for it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:04) Well? You have the Olympic Committee
sueing all sites with "olympic" in the name and that works well? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:04) Which means US taxpayers paid for it |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:04) I knew I owned the root |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:04) :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:05) That's the result of "world govt" -
in this case, WIPO's URDP. You make my point. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:05) But the Internet cannot be owned by
the US. No way. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:05) (UDRP) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:05) Vittorio, that is because the UDRP is WIPO
and ICANN is bought and paid for by WIPO |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:05) it already is owned by the us |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:05) hi chris |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:05) But that has to change. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:05) re's Chris |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:05) why? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:05) Why, Vittorio? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:06) Yes, and that hasn't stopped anyone
anywhere, from doing anything, has it? (other than blocking of entry
into the root by new TLD's, and I don't see ICANN changing that.) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) It was fine until the UDRP and WIPO |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:06) Sorry for disappearing, I had to log
into IOD's network to update our web site. I'm putting info on http://webtld.com
as necessary. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:06) it has already been stated that the internet
works. why does it have to change? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) The bottom line is that it needs to be run
by someone we trust |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:06) Our GC just pointed out to me that
they're basically back to Draft Postel now. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) Seems that way, Chris |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) They said that yesterday ;-) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) "Told you so" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:06) YES SIMON - and that's not ICANN at this time |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:07) yes chris |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:07) The Internet was fine until it was
an US-centered academic resource. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:07) Frankly, I would rather see it go back to
DOC and star over |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:07) Oh until 1971? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:07) Vittorio, that is how the internet started |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:07) heh |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:07) I know, and I am happy with that. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) Vittorio, where are you from? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:08) are you kidding vittorio? sharpen up on your
history please |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) yeah, it was better when it was just Lawerence
Livermore and the bay area |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:08) I'm from Europe, obviously. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) Don't forget BBN |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) Where? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:08) why is it obvious, vit? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) Vittorio, my I suggest you do some reading
on the history of the internet? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) I'm from Europe |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:08) Sure. Shoot. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) try "Where the Wizards Stay Up Late" |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) for internet background |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) Excellent book |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) it's a good starting point |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) I think we should ALL here give Super Thanks
to Edelman and Wilbanks!!!!..We wouldn't have this if not for their
time and expertise! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:09) or ellen rony's book |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) ellen's is more domain name specific |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) but useful as well! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:09) yes - appropriate here |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:10) yes john - hi by the way john |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:10) You know, essentially prospective registries
are being asked not only to profer their business plans on spec, but
to pay $50,000 for the privilege of doing so ... is this standard
fare? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:10) Non-refundable |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:10) yep, Simon |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:10) could be a tax write-off - gift to a NPO |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:10) SuperRoot is free for new TLDs |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:10) and ORSC |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:11) Bob, Gene, SuperRoot and ORSC don't
resolve at AOL. QED. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:11) but that's marketing related chris |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:11) Sure, Gene, so get the marketing going
and ORSC resolving at AOL, and I'll pony up my $1 million entry fee
to fund it. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:11) If it doesn't work in my browser, then
it's useless :-) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:12) Yet ANOTHER unan. vote. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:12) yep |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:12) But growth and innovation, constrained
by ICANN's limited ability to perform as suggested by Touton, is assanine.
(sp?) |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:13) ah here we go....time for a different set
of smoke and mirrors |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:13) and none of them will inhale |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:13) gosh, is there anyone happy with ICANN
here? :-) |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:13) where's Crocker? I feel the need to flame
someone, already |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:14) he's there |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:14) Chris, AOL's hands are tied as they are
registrars |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:14) I asked yesterday whether ICANN, as a CA
non-profit, was required to produce membership lists if requested.
Answer, NO, with no comment. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:14) Simon - wrong. They can do whatever
they want. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:14) and that does not cover registries |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:14) And bite the hand that feeds them, right |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:15) aol can resolve to whatever servers they choose |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:15) they get little from ICANN |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:15) Here's the point I was waiting for...
elections. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:15) their users will dictate where they go |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:15) I think Simons trying to say they've been bought
off already |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:16) Let's make sure we voice our opinions on
this chat since it is archived |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:17) Alright, I need investors to start a dot
top registry |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:17) top = trademark or patent :-) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:17) I'm curious about what do you here
think of the whole At Large thing... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:18) It's smoke and mirrors, Vit. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:18) They don't intend to allow the at large
community to have any real voice |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:18) That's also what I think. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:18) It's smoke and mirrors, but it may eventually
have some teeth too - if we can make the at larrge membership a real
community |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:19) This is why I'm trying to get as many
people to register as possible. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) Greg, it was suggested yesterday that we
self form. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) leah, I've had a ton of signups in the last
two days :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) I would love to see applyatlarge get there. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) We've been pushing it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:19) You know? Here in Italy only 150 people
registered. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) I hope it has helped |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) it really has, Leah - thanks |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:20) In Germany media did a lot of mess
- they're 5000 and over. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:20) And this is another problem - I'm not
sure that all European countries will nicely accept to have a director
elected by voters that are 80% German. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:20) Greg, can you set up to categorize members
by region? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:20) working on it, Leah |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:21) If you can, we can use it to self form.
Are you able to accept members in the thousands? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:21) yeah, should be able to |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:21) And must they all be registered with ICANN? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:21) I'm not going to police it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:21) greg: what are you registering people
for and where? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:22) Good, because it could place an unnecessary
barrier |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:22) unofficial ICANN at-large membership site
- applyatlarge.com |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:22) ADOR wants a constituancy. Applyatlarge
should mobilize the entire community. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:23) nice. and why should an at large member
register there? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:23) because we're setting up mailing lists and
discussion forums and such :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:23) fine :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:23) The consitutancies elect their members in
the DNSO. We should concentrate on the at-large director positions |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:23) so that we can actually talk with each other |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:23) Vit, pass the word in Italy |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:23) I'm running the main site to promote
registrations in Italy |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:24) to be honest, we opened only a couple
of days ago... we're really late. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:24) but media are starting to move. |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:24) Make sure you keep Gordon Cook in the loop. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:24) They should also register with ICANN to
show that you are interested in participation. The applyatlarge to
form the community |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:24) the problem is that the ICANN site
is dead - 90% of registrations fail! |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:24) right, Bob |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:24) Keep tyring |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:24) you always get "db is overloaded" :( |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:25) They stated that they are having tech problems.
don't stop trying |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:25) They cry money problems |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:25) Tech problems? The registry is McClughlan |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:25) I hate it. I'd even think at raising
the issue and asking for the whole process to be delayed until they
can get a real site. But this would be helping them to destroy at
large membership. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:25) their site is not scalable - it's underdesigned |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:25) He's crying equipment and staff problems |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:26) I could host a mirror of their pages,
but I guess they would not trust me :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:26) I don't thing they could do it legally. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:26) Yeah, I think so. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:26) Nevertheless, it's a shame. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:27) why don't all the board memebers have copies
of the existing bylaws with them?? sheesh |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) Vittorio, it's a database. Not so easily mirrored
as static HTML pages. As I recall the problems with the members site,
the static pages still load instantaneously even when the system slows
down generally. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) yes ben, but the database is undersized. |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) I didn't say otherwise! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) or the system is |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:29) I know - I'm sure the problem is the
db. Nevertheless, it takes 10 minutes to replicate their form, write
a script in a decent language (i.e. PHP3) and dump data in my db. |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) I just mean to say it's not so easy a problem
to solve in a production environment. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:29) I got booted - miss anything significant? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:30) nope, Judith |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:30) all the good database designers are working
in the ORSC |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:30) You know, you cannot easily duplicate
dbs in which you write, but you could split members in different sites/dbs
and so on. |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:30) lol |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:30) [sorry] |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:30) Or IOD :-) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:31) yes chris |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:31) this is good, again |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:31) some of these people really do have a clue |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:31) ans superoot |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:31) but they are the experts, not us? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:31) John: Now make it say, "Elvis, if you're
in the audience, please come to the table" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:32) OK, vint is an expert |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:32) Chris, there's been an emergency. It's not a
laughing matter. |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:32) what emergency? |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:32) Not sure exactly. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:32) Sorry, Ben, I'd have no idea, of course. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:32) Sorry, ISP kicked |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:33) SO, I'm late today ....have they discussed anything
re: new gTLDs today ? |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:33) any significant? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:33) The issue is that this emergency will
make many people run away and not register. I'm not saying they're
doing it on purpose, though. |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:33) anyTHING significant, that is |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:34) You vill pay zem $50,000 for ze non-refundable application |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:34) you mean an emergency at the physical conference
in yokohama? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:34) If you refresh your agendas from yesterday |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:34) you'll see that it is now linked to scribe
notes and video by segment |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) for esaier access |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) I'm doing the same for the GA and NC meetings |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) Cool, thanks John |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) and will be done by the end of the meeting
today |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) makes finding that quote a little easier... |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:35) thanks again for all your help john |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:35) you too ben |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:35) well, I'll take the ackward silence to mean
"no" ....gee, Chris, I know how you feel now. lol |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:36) By the way, does anyone have an idea
of how could anyone collect endorsements and get nominated in August
without being able to communicate with the voters? (Or will they allow
communication to voters in the nomination phase?) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) I suppose candidates are just supposed to
rely on existing networks of contacts |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) mebbe - under ICANN control...another reason
for applyatlarge.com |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:37) That means - you're in a lobby or you're
out. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:37) (Just applied for your site, greg) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) but this does rather suggest that most successful
candidates will be the 'politicos' |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) mmcow, the full scribe notes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) check on the broadcast page |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) as vittorio says 'you're in a lobby or you're
out' |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) and refresh if needed |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:38) so you can see what's happened |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:38) so i agree with gregburton: go to applyatlarge.com
and lets make it work! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:38) also, all resolutions are linked off the
agenda for today |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:39) cameron: applyatlarge.com is good for
english-speaking people. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:39) not everyone in the world speaks english
:) |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:39) Thx John |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:39) Hi Christopher, Joe,Ben, Makolee, Judith,
Leah, John! |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:39) Vittorio - want to do an Italian mirror
for it? *grin* |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:39) very good point - what do you suggest -
region specific 'sister sites' ? |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:39) Excellent -- Credibility is of the essence! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:39) to be honest, my site is already registering
italian at large members. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:40) there are too few of them to make a
real community by now. |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:40) Be carefull, ICANN uses the regions to divide and
control |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:40) however, I think we should have an
overall "network of community sites" or something like that |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:40) well the issue then is to link up existing
sites, like yours and applyatlarge, rather than make new ones |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:40) yes, something that looks like a "global
independent effort to promote effective at large membership". |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:41) basically, a webring :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) yeesh! |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) I'll be happy to make subdirs for any language
groups that want them, and to create language-specific lists as well |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) refresh your agendas |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) the elections resolution is online now |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) Vit, if we could get everyone to register
with applyatlarge as a central site, it would have nothing to do with
individual site to discuss regional situations. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) I think something better organized than
a webring is necessary! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) agree with leah |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) Vit, a web ring is good |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:42) Esther is willing to back pedal |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:42) Admit she's wrong |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:42) esther is not the enemy |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:42) Or ICANN is wrong |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:42) and each regional site could mirror important
key points coming up at other regions |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:42) the process is the enemy |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:42) perhaps using free gist translator services |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:42) a process of governance for the Internet will
not work |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:43) a process of administration is necessary |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:43) i disagree with genemarsh |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:43) The process can be changed? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:43) in what way cam? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:43) the admin of any organization changes over
time |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:43) I also think that in Europe most people
would like more governance and less administration, but that's not
the point to discuss now. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:43) yes, just as the internet does |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:43) They're extending the time for directors |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:44) when the org is big enough, some kind of
'governance' is what you get |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:44) that's a shame. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:44) it is exactly the point to discuss. ICANN is
NOT chartered to be a governing body, yet is becoming more so |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:44) not true cam |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:44) but if you mean 'admin rather than "political"
governance then i agree with you |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:44) political=governance |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) i suppose it depends on definitions |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:45) that's the point we will discuss in
the campaign phase - but I fear that current ICANN directors in their
hearts would like that no campaign ever begins. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:45) or, governance=political |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) admin=policy |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) policy=political |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:45) yes, and that's ok to a point simon |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) gene, are you suggesting we try and 'take
politics out' of ICANN? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) vit, exactly |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:45) not necessarily. it is that push that ICANN
is making |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:46) but any such 'depoliticization' would just
be trying to hide the reality |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:46) They are engineering it so that it will
be almost impossible for a member nominated candidate to win |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:46) any group of 3 or more has politics. it's not
that simple |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:46) yup, gene |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:46) YES LEAH |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:46) Gene, ICANN is going to be governance -
it already has quasi-judicial and quasi-executive powers, and is working
on the legislative right now - all it lacks is a military and a foreign
policy |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) Then the noncom candidates will be seated
as directors and we are in the same place we have been all along -
shut out |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) MoU with the UN will solve bthat |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) so it is better to recognize that politics
will be there and deal with them properly |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:47) it is trying to gain control of the A root server
- they don't need a military |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) agreed, Cam |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:47) (Greg - military = WIPO) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:47) I also agree |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:47) no it won't simon. Too ineffective |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) rather than trying to stick to a 'pretend'
pure admin role, but... |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:48) it's so damn important that a member-nominated
candidate wins these elections. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:48) Vittorio, we need 9 of them at least |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:48) i agree with what i think gene's saying
that straightforward stuff should be done uncluttered |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:48) what if a tp firm took Wipo to the UDPR? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:49) Anyone read the changes? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:49) to the proposals? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:49) yes, and they are bad :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:49) no, they're better than i had hoped for |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:49) no one is asking for humans to not be human.
simplicity of structure would be a good start, though, and ICANN has
ruined that possibility |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:49) i.e. "If an At Large director leaves
the seat, the vacancy will be filled with a vote of the other directors" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:50) they are better than i thought they would be,
but still fraught with danger |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:50) re: the present motion with changes |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:50) sorry vit, didn't see that one! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:50) gene: how could something that should
represent the whole world be simple? |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:50) Why haven't I seen a proposal to freeze
ongoing registrations with IOD? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:50) another unanimous.... |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:50) here's one. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:50) they have no legal right to do so |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:50) Jeffrey, who would make such a proposal? |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:50) On Politics: Think of deployers of rules....
guides=norms=governance=policy; gatekeepers=organization=government=operations;
peers=voluntary associations=markets=contracts |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:51) how about you |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:51) Jeffrey, why would I do that? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:52) coffee recycling time |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:52) break time |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:52) How many people in the audience tonight? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:52) john, all ok with ben? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:52) not many craig |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:53) Is there much press there? TV? Radio? |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:53) It would provide some assurance that
ICANN is seriously considering your past promises and transitioning
you into the future with competition |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:53) I still want to know if they are infringing
by feeding hte music |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:53) Brian Livingston from CNET is there |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:53) belle and sebastion.. :) right on |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:53) ask ASCAP or BMI, Leah :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:53) I work for a music download company...
I'm in that sort of stuff, unfortunately :( |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:53) where is brian? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) Good one, makolee! ROFLMAO |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) I'm not sure where he is staying. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:54) you mean in japan? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:54) Jeffrey, word me a proposal and I'll
consider it. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) I know he was at the reception |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) Is that music originally from Japan or the
US? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) Is everyone planning to go to LA in November? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) sorry browser crashed |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:55) hmmmm |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:55) la yes |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:55) I'll go to LA if possible. A much easier
trip for me than Yokohama. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:55) Sounds like a good excuse for a trip. |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:55) Chris, I appreciate the offer, but
please ask your attorney for help |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:55) ORSC meeting will be held (nearest bar with
single malt scotch |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:55) Judith, wanna share a room? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:56) If I go, sure ... |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:56) single malt...hmm...that would be my kitchen
at the moment :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:56) (though could stay with my cousin who
lives there too ...) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:56) the table to my left, greg |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:56) Whaddya mean IF you go? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:56) hehe |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) Any guesses on how many and which TLDs get
selected in November? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:57) Honey, I got a 15 year old and two
full time businesses - plus advocacy work etc. ... you know where
I can buy more hours per day and days per week? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) in November? None |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:57) 4 is my guess |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) none - it will be pushed back for further
discussion and study |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:57) Ambler, how many regs is the IOD database up
to ? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) none |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) 4 - 6 to keep people happy |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) then none for ages |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) Judith, bring her |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:58) more next summer |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:58) run the business remotely |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:58) :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:58) Gee, 15 and in LA |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:58) fun |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:58) judith, i ordered a cloning machine, but it's
on backorder |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:59) When I can sneak her out of school,
I take her everywhere I travel ... better education anyway ... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:59) i didn't see live streams of other 2 days
- are they just music? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:59) Nathan, over 15k |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:59) guys, it's 4am here - do you know when
will they start again? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:59) November's a good time to travel :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:59) Gene, I get first dibs on that machine
... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:00) Cold here, warmer there |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:00) In about 10 minutes. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:00) as soon as i send myself to tahiti |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
|