| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:15) hi folks |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:48) Evening John |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:48) morning? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:50) Hi gang |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 19:51) Yo |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 19:52) John, who is right in front the camera at laptops
(back facing camera) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:53) When will the link to the webcast be up? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:53) I'm watching it |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:53) It's up |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:53) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/scripts/rammaker.asp?s=ip&ip=pc8.fujisawa.wide.ad.jp&dir=encoder&file=icann-0716-en&mode=rtsp |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:54) I keep refreshing the page, but don't see
the link |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:55) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/broadcast.asp |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:56) 404 |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:57) Yikes! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:57) so what do I do now? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:58) I'm on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/ |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:58) Try www.icann.org - there's a link there
to the realtime feed |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:58) Cool |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:59) it goes to the same page |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:59) What browser |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 19:59) IE5 |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:00) There's a setting in there that checks the
page each time you visit it, make sure that is selected |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:00) Otherwise it just gives you the cached page |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:00) i did a shift/refresh |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:01) I don't know if that overrides the settings |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:01) yes, but it's set to check each time anyway |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:02) think i'll reboot. brb |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:05) Meetings are about to begin. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:06) Evening folks. |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:07) I would like to Thank You Ben and John Wilbanks.
Hi Judith |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:07) Hello and welcome. We get to sit here
and listen, but not participate. It's an Open Meeting, as they say.
Please turn to page 1 of the script you've been issued, and follow
along. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:07) Evening Chris. :-) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:07) Evening? It's 9am! :-) |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:07) Cool Sunday morning cartoons! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:07) Oops! Good morning. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) Hi Judith! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) I had problems getting the feed. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:08) Here we go. Board's resolution on TLDs. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) You OK now? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) yep, thanks |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:08) Ben, can you turn up the volume? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) had to reboot |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) Hey Greg!!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:08) Hi Leah. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:08) hiya Leah, Judith, all :) |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:09) volume better now? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:09) Yup |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:09) a little, thanks. |
| <sivert> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:09) volume is great here :) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:10) Judith, BIG SPEAKERS! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:11) FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR APPLICATION FEE |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:12) Get outta here ... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:12) That's ridiculous |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:12) Per application or TLD? |
| <SivertThrane> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:12) hi |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:12) Per application |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:12) Solves the funding problems they talked
about the other night, doesn't it ... |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:12) Multiple TLDs? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:13) "one or more" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:13) Also totally excludes small businesses
from competing ... |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:13) no suprise there |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:13) ORSC should get together |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:13) Not really. What if IOD sponsored a
NPO by granting them the 50K fee? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:13) but why should they have to? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:13) NPO? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:14) Non-Profit Org (like .museum or .union) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:14) D.4.? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:14) Half the ORSC are NPOs |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:14) no, why should the roots have to get tgether
to apply? |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:14) They are staying within the parameters they
proposed this last time so far. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:14) Wow. $50K will limit the people... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:15) That's the purpose, Chris |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:15) limit, limit, limit |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:15) 3-5k from each for-profit will carry the
entire ORSC root |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:15) I don't mind sponsoring some NPOs |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:15) Well, it's change for large corps (to
be honest, us, too), but still... I have to like it because it limits
the applications, but I don't like it from an ethical sense. Sigh. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:16) Big picture or little picture? Gotta make
a stand somewhere |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:16) Why does Eshter look like she's having a
chronic sinus attack? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:16) I was gonna ask ... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:16) Probably dust off the hotel room mirror |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:16) duh |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:17) ha! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:17) Notice that just about all of the decisions
are delegated to "the president." |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:17) That would be Roberts, yes? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:17) Yes |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:17) yah - it's a "staff driven" org, so that's
to be expected |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:18) ooooh, was that a threat? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:18) Leah, there's delay between real-time
and the feed - can you be specific upon what you're remarking? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:20) Touton says "registrar" accreditation.
Doesn't he mean "registry"? |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:20) I noticed that Judith |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:20) Yes, I believe he mis-spoke. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:20) think he did, yes |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:20) Esther's remarks about confidentiality perhaps
being considered in whether the applicant would be considered appropriate |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:20) or worthy |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:21) Well, IOD has some confidential business
plans, but we don't want to show them to our competitors before we're
in the roots. Esther doesn't seem to care about that point. |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:21) It sounds more like they are righteously
concerned about people submitting applications and paying the fee
that have no chance of being approved at all. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:21) Or perhaps NSI still gets to "registry"
everything, and all the registrars get whatever new TLD's are bought,
including the TLD sponsor? (I notice mention of "sponsor" almost interchangeably
with "operator" ... ? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:21) That is obvious, but her remarks sounded
like a threat that if you want it to be "secret" perhaps you have
a problem making you unworthy |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:22) Chris, perhaps innovation is not in
their agenda ... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:22) Ben/John, do you know if there will
be a session for us (here in Japan) to comment to the board upon today's
meeting? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:23) If fee covers start-up, than how can
the whole $50,000 be nonrefuncable - what of those not accepted? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:23) That was my next question |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:23) Chris, there is no comment period today |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:23) How much can it cost them for start up? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:23) Those not accepted will have (in ICANN's
estimation) their $50K spent on determining their acceptance/non-acceptance. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:23) online or not. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:24) ah, they intend to "manage" how the registries
operate |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:24) Chris, that doesn't jive with what
Esther just said about what the bulk of the fee is to cover. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:24) John, what about tomorrow? I mean any
time in the next n days that this meeting goes on. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:24) for that, I have no idea... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:24) I'm getting on a plane tomorrow and going
home, personally... |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:25) ah, the old favorite word "abuses" - unspecified
as to what they might be |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:25) It would not surprise me if they did not
have a comments period. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:26) Boy! do we have lots of work to do. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:26) I will have the resolutoins html'ed in a
minute folks |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:26) great, John |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:26) Thanks John |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:26) This sounds more to me like putting
out an RFP to outsource an internal service .. or am I just jaded? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:27) no....I think that's exactly what it sounds
like |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:27) Look at the history, the "Internet Registry"
aka InterNIC was originally outsourced to NSI |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:27) Check RFC1591 and 1174 |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:28) Ooops I think it 1074 |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:28) JudithOppenheimer: i'd be impressed if you managed
to NOT be jaded :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:28) Tell me please what the reasoning is behind
personal domains? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:29) Jaded is good. ;) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:29) If that's the case, (a) they're just
doing lawyer mark-up-old-contracts stuff, and (b) there is precedent
to this, no huge analysis needed that justifies $50,000 per ... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:29) i.wanna.domain.name.for.my.<HtMl> |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:29) quite true, Judith, but....I think the unstated
part of the policy is to severly raise the bar to entry by financial
means |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:30) They really like the non-caucasions from developing
countries |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:30) Anyone need to borrow $50,000? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:31) Really want to help them |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:31) :wonders if a ":" is the action tag... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:31) Nope. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:31) Yesterday, it was obvious by Esther's comments
that ICANN does not feel obligated to help developing courntries |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:31) I use /me |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:32) Wilson makes sense, they're answer
to her is a non-answer that insults the intelligence. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:32) yep, Judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:33) anyone got a URL to Wilson's bio? i'm
curious... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:33) The concept has already been proven |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:33) Old news |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:34) Judith - http://www.icann.org/biog/wilson.htm |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:34) Resolutions are up, refresh your agenadas |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:34) It is also a short period of time to come
up with the applications and fees... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:34) Thanks, Greg. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:35) 404, John |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:36) JohnWilbanks: hmm.. nothing |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:36) Dena, I have to disagree. You either
have the fees or you don't. And a month (much less 2) is plenty of
time to get a proposal together. The idea here is that if you're not
basically ready now, you shouldn't really think about being in the
initial group. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:36) Yep, 404. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:36) My opinion, only. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:36) typo on our broadcast page, I'll fix it. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:36) Anyone know Wilson personally? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) coming up with $50k can be difficult in
60 days |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) I have the fee, but it's a slap in the face
to what Postel wanted |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) I was more thinking of their diversity issue
Chris...harder for smaller countries |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:37) (unless you borrow it from Chris <grin>) |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) i am sitting at a remote computer that really
stinks. I dont want to pull up other browsers. What is on the agenda
for the first few hours of the conference. |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:37) LeahGallegos: 50k is impossible to come up with
if you're... most people and organizations |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:37) Leah, the point is that if you have
to "come up" with $50K, you probably don't have the resources to build
out a registry. I may or may not agree, but that's the point. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:37) Roger, agenda comes up 404. |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:37) Hello Everyone 8^) Peace ! (From Los Angeles
-- The Cradle of the Internet) . . . |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:38) refresh your broadcast pages |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:38) and it should work |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:38) NestorRequeno: what!? hehe.. :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:38) John, this: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/agenda-pubforum-071600.html? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:38) "variety of geographic locations" = Marina
Del Ray, Palo Alto, Stuttgart... |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:38) JohnWilbanks: works now |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:38) lol, greg |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:38) Chris, you have a point. However, I still
think it is much too high if they intend to allow smaller entities
to get in. |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:39) Go to the UPDATE section on the broadcast page. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:39) And 50K is just not necessary |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:39) Follow the one link there. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:39) Chris, overall, other than the boredom quotient
of yesterday's meeting, do you feel anything significant came out
of the discussions, to at least warrant the light bill? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:39) Leah, if smaller entities can't come
up with $50K, how can they run a registry? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:39) Roger, the nice thing for me to do
would be to decline to answer. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:39) It may cost that here, but not in other
countries |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:39) Chris, that point is dead on, |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) no prob, chris. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) Chris they put the 50k into infrastructure |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) got it, Ben, thanks |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) If a registry can't afford to open the doors,
it can't afford the hardware, software, testing, etc. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:40) Better chance of survival |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) sinom, to operate properly, you have to
have the cushion |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) You cant open up shop as a registry, scraping
bottom. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) I liked the half a mil collateral idea better |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) That's the cusion |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) I think Chris is right, here - you don't
need to be in the initial group anyway, if you aren't already prepared
to fund operations and have a business model sufficient to raise capital |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:41) Sorry cushion |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:41) 50k.. i'm sorry |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:42) but if you have to give the 50K to ICANN
you don't have the cushion for your own start up |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:42) I'm just playing devil's advocate here. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:42) leah, truth is, thR 50k wouldnt break a
financially prepared company. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:42) Leah - poop. $50K is one day of operations
for many companies. If $50K is that significant, you're in a bad position
to be a registry. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:42) You need more that $50,001 |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) That's why the half a mil is better |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) I agree with Simon... |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:43) ChristopherAmbler: i think that's a problem
there |
| <SivertThrane> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) financial stability is important for the
task in question |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) The fee is a barrier to entry, the bank
letter backing the business model isn't |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) Won't you have to prove financial capability
anyway? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:43) Yes |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:44) What if something goes wrong, and there
is no money in the coffers to bail out the registry before Day One. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:44) if so, then why the 50K to ICANN? I just
don't see that high a fee being necessary. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:44) What a shoddy way to operate the internet |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:45) There is collateral to back the registry
for a year |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:45) No day one failures |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:45) brb |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:45) And I don't think they need that barrier |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:47) This is interesting...finding technical
assistance from people who aren't involved in running registries already |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:47) If they know how...they do. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:48) dang - I was going to send a check in AU
dollars |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:48) Well....Our Company knows how...but, we
aren't seeking Registry or Registrar.... |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:50) um - is it normal in ICANN for the president
to chair the meeting, rather than the board chair? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:50) normal, Greg? What is normal? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:51) Up is down - down is up |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:52) Good point |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:52) Good points by the board just now! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:52) yep |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:52) Flakey answer |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) bad, bad, bad |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) Wrong that 10 would be a strain! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) It's the same story as last night. They
don't have the staff, money, capability |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) well, you know my opinion on that one.... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:53) My comment last night was that if they don't
have the capability, why are they doing this job at all? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:54) hmmm..... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:54) Free food |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:54) And cocktails |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:55) now this is good |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:55) yop. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:55) that's what the hmmmmm was about, :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:56) IMHO... this is the Internet, billions
of $$$ flow around it, so it's unreasonable that they can't get money
and staff - I'd rather say that they're not so good at getting them. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) Perhaps if they were friendlier to the community
(all of it) they would be able to make some friends. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) I gotta agree with that |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) There is little confidence in ICANN so why
would the community want to fund it? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:57) howdy |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) Hi Gene |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:57) hi Gene |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:57) Leah, instead the internet routes around it |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:58) Bob, yup |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:58) And if this ambiguity keeps up, it will
be even more soe |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:58) oops so |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:59) The Internet desperately needs some
central coordination, both technical and political. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 20:59) ICANN was somewhat built to do that,
but they are failing to interpret that role (IMHO). |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 20:59) and why not, Esther? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:59) The concept HAS BEEN DONE! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:59) yes, but not governance |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 20:59) ORSC, SuperRoot, etc, etc. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 20:59) this is being structured as a government |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) Yes, Gene, and that is theproblem |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) Without international law |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) exactly |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) Hi James |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:00) Vittorio, I'd suggest ICANN's lack
of funding reflects its lack of popularity. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:00) Are you in the meeting? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:01) look, i want this to work - and i'm willing
to work with ICANN - but NOT be governed by them |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:01) morning/evening James |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:01) hi jamie |
| <JamesLove> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:01) I'm at the meeting. I'm happy about the debate
on the numbers, but think the $50k fee is a problem. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:01) OTOH, on some questions you need to
have someone taking a final decision. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:01) Gene, governed is what you already
are, by ICANN. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:01) Hi Jamie. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:01) i agree, 50k is prohibitive |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:01) Gene, I think we would all like to be able
to work with them, but they are making it very difficult |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:02) none of my tlds are governed by ICANN. They
WANT to govern them |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:02) There has to be some authority having
a final word on difficult questions, and everybody else should accept
its decisions. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:02) That's why it has to be representative
of everyone. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:02) vittorio, and who makes the final decisions?
ICANN is weighted on one side. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:02) Unless ICANN has the root, the contract
will be with DoC |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:02) Vittorio, why? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:02) (If we had a world government in place,
everything would have been easier :-( ) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:03) I disagree |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:03) Vittorio, you're joking, yes? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:03) Oh yippee, I can uncover my 666 tattoo |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:03) vittorio, that is a blind view |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:03) Hmmm.. how else could it work? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:03) Roller Ball is here |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:03) The lack of funding also reflects the lack
of a co-ordinated funding effort, lack of a full time fund raiser
(unbudgeted) and a series of budget decisions that could only be called
naive if proposed by less experienced people. Under the circumstances,
I think "lack of funding" makes a convenient excuse for "we don't
want to do it" |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:04) Just let the market do everything? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:04) How has it worked until now? Rather
well, I think. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:04) (I agree with Greg Burton) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:04) USG paid for it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:04) Well? You have the Olympic Committee
sueing all sites with "olympic" in the name and that works well? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:04) Which means US taxpayers paid for it |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:04) I knew I owned the root |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:04) :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:05) That's the result of "world govt" -
in this case, WIPO's URDP. You make my point. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:05) But the Internet cannot be owned by
the US. No way. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:05) (UDRP) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:05) Vittorio, that is because the UDRP is WIPO
and ICANN is bought and paid for by WIPO |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:05) it already is owned by the us |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:05) hi chris |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:05) But that has to change. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:05) re's Chris |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:05) why? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:05) Why, Vittorio? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:06) Yes, and that hasn't stopped anyone
anywhere, from doing anything, has it? (other than blocking of entry
into the root by new TLD's, and I don't see ICANN changing that.) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) It was fine until the UDRP and WIPO |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:06) Sorry for disappearing, I had to log
into IOD's network to update our web site. I'm putting info on http://webtld.com
as necessary. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:06) it has already been stated that the internet
works. why does it have to change? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) The bottom line is that it needs to be run
by someone we trust |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:06) Our GC just pointed out to me that
they're basically back to Draft Postel now. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) Seems that way, Chris |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) They said that yesterday ;-) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:06) "Told you so" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:06) YES SIMON - and that's not ICANN at this time |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:07) yes chris |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:07) The Internet was fine until it was
an US-centered academic resource. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:07) Frankly, I would rather see it go back to
DOC and star over |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:07) Oh until 1971? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:07) Vittorio, that is how the internet started |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:07) heh |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:07) I know, and I am happy with that. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) Vittorio, where are you from? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:08) are you kidding vittorio? sharpen up on your
history please |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) yeah, it was better when it was just Lawerence
Livermore and the bay area |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:08) I'm from Europe, obviously. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) Don't forget BBN |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) Where? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:08) why is it obvious, vit? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) Vittorio, my I suggest you do some reading
on the history of the internet? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:08) I'm from Europe |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:08) Sure. Shoot. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) try "Where the Wizards Stay Up Late" |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) for internet background |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) Excellent book |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) it's a good starting point |
| <TeriPowell> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) I think we should ALL here give Super Thanks
to Edelman and Wilbanks!!!!..We wouldn't have this if not for their
time and expertise! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:09) or ellen rony's book |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) ellen's is more domain name specific |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:09) but useful as well! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:09) yes - appropriate here |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:10) yes john - hi by the way john |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:10) You know, essentially prospective registries
are being asked not only to profer their business plans on spec, but
to pay $50,000 for the privilege of doing so ... is this standard
fare? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:10) Non-refundable |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:10) yep, Simon |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:10) could be a tax write-off - gift to a NPO |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:10) SuperRoot is free for new TLDs |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:10) and ORSC |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:11) Bob, Gene, SuperRoot and ORSC don't
resolve at AOL. QED. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:11) but that's marketing related chris |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:11) Sure, Gene, so get the marketing going
and ORSC resolving at AOL, and I'll pony up my $1 million entry fee
to fund it. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:11) If it doesn't work in my browser, then
it's useless :-) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:12) Yet ANOTHER unan. vote. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:12) yep |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:12) But growth and innovation, constrained
by ICANN's limited ability to perform as suggested by Touton, is assanine.
(sp?) |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:13) ah here we go....time for a different set
of smoke and mirrors |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:13) and none of them will inhale |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:13) gosh, is there anyone happy with ICANN
here? :-) |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:13) where's Crocker? I feel the need to flame
someone, already |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:14) he's there |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:14) Chris, AOL's hands are tied as they are
registrars |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:14) I asked yesterday whether ICANN, as a CA
non-profit, was required to produce membership lists if requested.
Answer, NO, with no comment. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:14) Simon - wrong. They can do whatever
they want. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:14) and that does not cover registries |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:14) And bite the hand that feeds them, right |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:15) aol can resolve to whatever servers they choose |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:15) they get little from ICANN |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:15) Here's the point I was waiting for...
elections. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:15) their users will dictate where they go |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:15) I think Simons trying to say they've been bought
off already |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:16) Let's make sure we voice our opinions on
this chat since it is archived |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:17) Alright, I need investors to start a dot
top registry |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:17) top = trademark or patent :-) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:17) I'm curious about what do you here
think of the whole At Large thing... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:18) It's smoke and mirrors, Vit. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:18) They don't intend to allow the at large
community to have any real voice |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:18) That's also what I think. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:18) It's smoke and mirrors, but it may eventually
have some teeth too - if we can make the at larrge membership a real
community |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:19) This is why I'm trying to get as many
people to register as possible. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) Greg, it was suggested yesterday that we
self form. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) leah, I've had a ton of signups in the last
two days :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) I would love to see applyatlarge get there. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) We've been pushing it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:19) You know? Here in Italy only 150 people
registered. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) I hope it has helped |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:19) it really has, Leah - thanks |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:20) In Germany media did a lot of mess
- they're 5000 and over. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:20) And this is another problem - I'm not
sure that all European countries will nicely accept to have a director
elected by voters that are 80% German. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:20) Greg, can you set up to categorize members
by region? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:20) working on it, Leah |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:21) If you can, we can use it to self form.
Are you able to accept members in the thousands? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:21) yeah, should be able to |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:21) And must they all be registered with ICANN? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:21) I'm not going to police it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:21) greg: what are you registering people
for and where? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:22) Good, because it could place an unnecessary
barrier |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:22) unofficial ICANN at-large membership site
- applyatlarge.com |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:22) ADOR wants a constituancy. Applyatlarge
should mobilize the entire community. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:23) nice. and why should an at large member
register there? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:23) because we're setting up mailing lists and
discussion forums and such :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:23) fine :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:23) The consitutancies elect their members in
the DNSO. We should concentrate on the at-large director positions |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:23) so that we can actually talk with each other |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:23) Vit, pass the word in Italy |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:23) I'm running the main site to promote
registrations in Italy |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:24) to be honest, we opened only a couple
of days ago... we're really late. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:24) but media are starting to move. |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:24) Make sure you keep Gordon Cook in the loop. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:24) They should also register with ICANN to
show that you are interested in participation. The applyatlarge to
form the community |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:24) the problem is that the ICANN site
is dead - 90% of registrations fail! |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:24) right, Bob |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:24) Keep tyring |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:24) you always get "db is overloaded" :( |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:25) They stated that they are having tech problems.
don't stop trying |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:25) They cry money problems |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:25) Tech problems? The registry is McClughlan |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:25) I hate it. I'd even think at raising
the issue and asking for the whole process to be delayed until they
can get a real site. But this would be helping them to destroy at
large membership. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:25) their site is not scalable - it's underdesigned |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:25) He's crying equipment and staff problems |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:26) I could host a mirror of their pages,
but I guess they would not trust me :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:26) I don't thing they could do it legally. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:26) Yeah, I think so. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:26) Nevertheless, it's a shame. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:27) why don't all the board memebers have copies
of the existing bylaws with them?? sheesh |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) Vittorio, it's a database. Not so easily mirrored
as static HTML pages. As I recall the problems with the members site,
the static pages still load instantaneously even when the system slows
down generally. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) yes ben, but the database is undersized. |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) I didn't say otherwise! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) or the system is |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:29) I know - I'm sure the problem is the
db. Nevertheless, it takes 10 minutes to replicate their form, write
a script in a decent language (i.e. PHP3) and dump data in my db. |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) I just mean to say it's not so easy a problem
to solve in a production environment. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:29) :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:29) I got booted - miss anything significant? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:30) nope, Judith |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:30) all the good database designers are working
in the ORSC |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:30) You know, you cannot easily duplicate
dbs in which you write, but you could split members in different sites/dbs
and so on. |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:30) lol |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:30) [sorry] |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:30) Or IOD :-) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:31) yes chris |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:31) this is good, again |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:31) some of these people really do have a clue |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:31) ans superoot |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:31) but they are the experts, not us? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:31) John: Now make it say, "Elvis, if you're
in the audience, please come to the table" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:32) OK, vint is an expert |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:32) Chris, there's been an emergency. It's not a
laughing matter. |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:32) what emergency? |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:32) Not sure exactly. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:32) Sorry, Ben, I'd have no idea, of course. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:32) Sorry, ISP kicked |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:33) SO, I'm late today ....have they discussed anything
re: new gTLDs today ? |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:33) any significant? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:33) The issue is that this emergency will
make many people run away and not register. I'm not saying they're
doing it on purpose, though. |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:33) anyTHING significant, that is |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:34) You vill pay zem $50,000 for ze non-refundable application |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:34) you mean an emergency at the physical conference
in yokohama? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:34) If you refresh your agendas from yesterday |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:34) you'll see that it is now linked to scribe
notes and video by segment |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) for esaier access |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) I'm doing the same for the GA and NC meetings |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) Cool, thanks John |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) and will be done by the end of the meeting
today |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:35) makes finding that quote a little easier... |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:35) thanks again for all your help john |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:35) you too ben |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:35) well, I'll take the ackward silence to mean
"no" ....gee, Chris, I know how you feel now. lol |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:36) By the way, does anyone have an idea
of how could anyone collect endorsements and get nominated in August
without being able to communicate with the voters? (Or will they allow
communication to voters in the nomination phase?) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) I suppose candidates are just supposed to
rely on existing networks of contacts |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) mebbe - under ICANN control...another reason
for applyatlarge.com |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:37) That means - you're in a lobby or you're
out. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:37) (Just applied for your site, greg) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) but this does rather suggest that most successful
candidates will be the 'politicos' |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) mmcow, the full scribe notes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) check on the broadcast page |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) as vittorio says 'you're in a lobby or you're
out' |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:37) and refresh if needed |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:38) so you can see what's happened |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:38) so i agree with gregburton: go to applyatlarge.com
and lets make it work! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:38) also, all resolutions are linked off the
agenda for today |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:39) cameron: applyatlarge.com is good for
english-speaking people. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:39) not everyone in the world speaks english
:) |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:39) Thx John |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:39) Hi Christopher, Joe,Ben, Makolee, Judith,
Leah, John! |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:39) Vittorio - want to do an Italian mirror
for it? *grin* |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:39) very good point - what do you suggest -
region specific 'sister sites' ? |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:39) Excellent -- Credibility is of the essence! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:39) to be honest, my site is already registering
italian at large members. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:40) there are too few of them to make a
real community by now. |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:40) Be carefull, ICANN uses the regions to divide and
control |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:40) however, I think we should have an
overall "network of community sites" or something like that |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:40) well the issue then is to link up existing
sites, like yours and applyatlarge, rather than make new ones |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:40) yes, something that looks like a "global
independent effort to promote effective at large membership". |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:41) basically, a webring :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) yeesh! |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) I'll be happy to make subdirs for any language
groups that want them, and to create language-specific lists as well |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) refresh your agendas |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) the elections resolution is online now |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) Vit, if we could get everyone to register
with applyatlarge as a central site, it would have nothing to do with
individual site to discuss regional situations. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) I think something better organized than
a webring is necessary! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) agree with leah |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:41) Vit, a web ring is good |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:42) Esther is willing to back pedal |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:42) Admit she's wrong |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:42) esther is not the enemy |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:42) Or ICANN is wrong |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:42) and each regional site could mirror important
key points coming up at other regions |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:42) the process is the enemy |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:42) perhaps using free gist translator services |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:42) a process of governance for the Internet will
not work |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:43) a process of administration is necessary |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:43) i disagree with genemarsh |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:43) The process can be changed? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:43) in what way cam? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:43) the admin of any organization changes over
time |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:43) I also think that in Europe most people
would like more governance and less administration, but that's not
the point to discuss now. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:43) yes, just as the internet does |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 21:43) They're extending the time for directors |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:44) when the org is big enough, some kind of
'governance' is what you get |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:44) that's a shame. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:44) it is exactly the point to discuss. ICANN is
NOT chartered to be a governing body, yet is becoming more so |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:44) not true cam |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:44) but if you mean 'admin rather than "political"
governance then i agree with you |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:44) political=governance |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) i suppose it depends on definitions |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:45) that's the point we will discuss in
the campaign phase - but I fear that current ICANN directors in their
hearts would like that no campaign ever begins. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:45) or, governance=political |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) admin=policy |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) policy=political |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:45) yes, and that's ok to a point simon |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) gene, are you suggesting we try and 'take
politics out' of ICANN? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:45) vit, exactly |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:45) not necessarily. it is that push that ICANN
is making |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:46) but any such 'depoliticization' would just
be trying to hide the reality |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:46) They are engineering it so that it will
be almost impossible for a member nominated candidate to win |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:46) any group of 3 or more has politics. it's not
that simple |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:46) yup, gene |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:46) YES LEAH |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:46) Gene, ICANN is going to be governance -
it already has quasi-judicial and quasi-executive powers, and is working
on the legislative right now - all it lacks is a military and a foreign
policy |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) Then the noncom candidates will be seated
as directors and we are in the same place we have been all along -
shut out |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) MoU with the UN will solve bthat |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) so it is better to recognize that politics
will be there and deal with them properly |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:47) it is trying to gain control of the A root server
- they don't need a military |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) agreed, Cam |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:47) (Greg - military = WIPO) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:47) I also agree |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:47) no it won't simon. Too ineffective |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:47) rather than trying to stick to a 'pretend'
pure admin role, but... |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:48) it's so damn important that a member-nominated
candidate wins these elections. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:48) Vittorio, we need 9 of them at least |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:48) i agree with what i think gene's saying
that straightforward stuff should be done uncluttered |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:48) what if a tp firm took Wipo to the UDPR? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:49) Anyone read the changes? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:49) to the proposals? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:49) yes, and they are bad :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:49) no, they're better than i had hoped for |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:49) no one is asking for humans to not be human.
simplicity of structure would be a good start, though, and ICANN has
ruined that possibility |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:49) i.e. "If an At Large director leaves
the seat, the vacancy will be filled with a vote of the other directors" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:50) they are better than i thought they would be,
but still fraught with danger |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:50) re: the present motion with changes |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:50) sorry vit, didn't see that one! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:50) gene: how could something that should
represent the whole world be simple? |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:50) Why haven't I seen a proposal to freeze
ongoing registrations with IOD? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:50) another unanimous.... |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:50) here's one. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:50) they have no legal right to do so |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:50) Jeffrey, who would make such a proposal? |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:50) On Politics: Think of deployers of rules....
guides=norms=governance=policy; gatekeepers=organization=government=operations;
peers=voluntary associations=markets=contracts |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:51) how about you |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:51) Jeffrey, why would I do that? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:52) coffee recycling time |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:52) break time |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:52) How many people in the audience tonight? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:52) john, all ok with ben? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:52) not many craig |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:53) Is there much press there? TV? Radio? |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:53) It would provide some assurance that
ICANN is seriously considering your past promises and transitioning
you into the future with competition |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:53) I still want to know if they are infringing
by feeding hte music |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:53) Brian Livingston from CNET is there |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:53) belle and sebastion.. :) right on |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:53) ask ASCAP or BMI, Leah :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:53) I work for a music download company...
I'm in that sort of stuff, unfortunately :( |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:53) where is brian? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) Good one, makolee! ROFLMAO |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) I'm not sure where he is staying. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:54) you mean in japan? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:54) Jeffrey, word me a proposal and I'll
consider it. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) I know he was at the reception |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) Is that music originally from Japan or the
US? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) Is everyone planning to go to LA in November? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:54) sorry browser crashed |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:55) hmmmm |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:55) la yes |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:55) I'll go to LA if possible. A much easier
trip for me than Yokohama. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:55) Sounds like a good excuse for a trip. |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:55) Chris, I appreciate the offer, but
please ask your attorney for help |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:55) ORSC meeting will be held (nearest bar with
single malt scotch |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:55) Judith, wanna share a room? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:56) If I go, sure ... |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:56) single malt...hmm...that would be my kitchen
at the moment :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:56) (though could stay with my cousin who
lives there too ...) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:56) the table to my left, greg |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:56) Whaddya mean IF you go? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:56) hehe |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) Any guesses on how many and which TLDs get
selected in November? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:57) Honey, I got a 15 year old and two
full time businesses - plus advocacy work etc. ... you know where
I can buy more hours per day and days per week? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) in November? None |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:57) 4 is my guess |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) none - it will be pushed back for further
discussion and study |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:57) Ambler, how many regs is the IOD database up
to ? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) none |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) 4 - 6 to keep people happy |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) then none for ages |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:57) Judith, bring her |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:58) more next summer |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:58) run the business remotely |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:58) :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:58) Gee, 15 and in LA |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:58) fun |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 21:58) judith, i ordered a cloning machine, but it's
on backorder |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:59) When I can sneak her out of school,
I take her everywhere I travel ... better education anyway ... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:59) i didn't see live streams of other 2 days
- are they just music? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:59) Nathan, over 15k |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:59) guys, it's 4am here - do you know when
will they start again? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 21:59) November's a good time to travel :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 21:59) Gene, I get first dibs on that machine
... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:00) Cold here, warmer there |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:00) In about 10 minutes. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:00) as soon as i send myself to tahiti |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:00) What about the Singaporan .web. Are they
there? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:00) yup its 3am here in scotland, can't stay
up forever |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:00) chris: tnx |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:00) brb, need Pepsi (TM) fortification |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:00) 10 p.m. in New York City ... |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:00) sleep when you're dead, cam |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:01) Chris, are you feeling confident about those
15k being added to the root, ie: granfathered in ? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:01) Hopefully my soon-to-be-ex will take my
11 year old that week....we're negotiationg it, but I might have to
bring her along |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:01) Chris, what's the liklihood that .web
will be approved, yet not recognize existing registrations. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:01) not the ex, the daughter |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:02) realized that, greg |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:02) Jeffrey, that is an inappropriate question.
We will not clear our database. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:02) it's the Muzak(tm), Cam....it's affecting
my brain.... |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:02) Happy musaz |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:03) good answer |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:03) is Muzak tm'd? no way! |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:03) damn straight it is |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:03) sure is |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:03) I really think that adding TLDs won't
solve the scarcity problem unless you have a restriction policy with
gatekeepers with each TLD... |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:03) I've spent last weeks registering my
company's name in more than 60 registries :) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:03) Agreed |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:03) so it is, just opened muzak.com, charming |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:03) i agree with vit |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:04) 60 registries? so only 200 more to go... |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:04) Chris, did you miss my question? Or , did you
choose to not answer it :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:04) if I have to spend some more money
to get the .web, .shop or whatever... I'll do. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:04) I think elevatormusic.com would be ok, though..... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:04) Good for you Chris (not clearing the
database.) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:04) but here in uk we say 'lift' not elevator |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:04) They need a live band there |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:04) so you'd have to register both .lift and
.el |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:05) Are you going to promote each domain name,
Vittorio? Will each point to the same content? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:05) but an "el" is something different to a
New Yorker :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:05) we have local offices in 8 nations,
each of which has its local version of the site. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:05) Judith --- aren't you surprised we haven't
heard more fromt he telcos about new gTLD's? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:05) that's up to the domain-holder, craig |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:05) and chicago |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:05) the tech is the same, but the content
is local. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:05) and their business/marketing model |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:05) Chris, last question, is the singapore
.web proposal a complication for IOL? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:06) iod |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:06) but if all the new tlds are just add-ons
to the 'real one' (.com) then they aren't helping much |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:06) Dennis, the telcos comprise a good
part of the TM leadership. Their fix is in. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:07) which brings us back to vit's point about
needing gatekeepers/ defined roles for tlds |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:07) hmmm...would a ".sol" tld be appropriate
for people who've had their .com domain reverse hijacked? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:07) Jeff, the other .web proposal wants
2 SLDs only (com.web and per.web). They're not applying for the TLD.
They are, in short, unclear on the concept. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:07) Greg, those would start with f... |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:07) I think new generics do reduce the artificial
scarcity which has driven prices of some resold names so high. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:08) greg, muzak.com apparently create 'audio
architecture'. nice. |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:08) Unless you move to "protect" your name in
each new TLD. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:08) chris, sounds like they are using a ccTLD model |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:08) less than one one hundreth of one percent
of domain names placed for sale sell for "outrageous" prices |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:09) but craig, i don't think they help much
- look at the imbalance in .com reg's over other tlds and cc tlds |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:09) Listen, people will buy .com like 800
vs. 888, as long as that's where people go ... those who can convince
the market, in a freemarket admosphere, to use their TLD's too or
instead, will gain business, those who don't, won't ... but all should
have a shot to try ... |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:09) Judith -- you're a cynic! <g> |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:09) Dennis, I just observe that the environment
is marketplace/customer driven. The smart business caters to it, that's
all. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:10) Cerf always repeats that DNS is not
a directory service - and he's really wrong. It was not *meant* to
be, but it is, and there's nothing you can do about it. |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:10) The sooner new gTLDs come online, the sooner
the trend begins to shift. Growth in .net, .de and .uk outpaces .com
already. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:10) but if any serious .com just buys up all
possible permutations as routine, what chance is there for judith's
'market differentiation'? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:10) Yes, but in many ccTLDs you still have
to fill tons of paper and often rules do not allow you to get a domain. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:11) Judith , sorry, my message got posted in
another context! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:11) from a much lower base, craig, isn't it? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:11) where is fenello? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:11) cameron: no chance. gTLDs are useless
without gatekeeping. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:11) not true vit |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:11) Just like people use 800 in a vanity
capacity, although the numbers obviously weren't designed that way
in the beginning. It's a function, a utility created by the marketplace,
not the engineers. Nothing wrong with that, but to ignore it or try
to regulate against it, is just stupid and bad business. |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:11) Yes, cam, but those are as large now as
.com was just a few years ago. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:11) DNS is nmemonic service |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:11) but before gatekeepers you need to define
what they are keeping |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:11) yes simon |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:11) ! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:12) and ICANN don't seem to have got so far
with that |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:12) no cam, the gatekeeping is a separate functional
model |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:12) ask aol |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:12) Cam's got it right |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:12) the first solution i can think of is:
create .bank, go to the international bankers association, and ask
them to manage it on the administrative point of view. and so on. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:12) You need to know what you're delegating
to know how to delegate it |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:13) Cameron, the gatekeepers cannot anticipate
how the marketplace will innovate with the services and utilities
presented to them. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:13) i don't agree. gatekeeping is a function dns
can be used as a part of |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:13) Judith-Simon: Sez I: domain names are a
public addressing system , just like street addresses, so (in the
US at least), the COmmerce Clause is the controlling authority. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:13) yes vit, but that is not a gatekeeping function |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:13) no, but the consumer mustn't be bewildered!
standards help. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:14) Consumers aren't bewildered. That's
tm hype. It's nonsense. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:14) consumers will organically grow their own choice |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:14) See the Fable of the Names - Bob? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:14) Exactly Gene. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:14) that's free market science |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:14) its not nonsense, don't agree with you there
judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:14) Then we agree to disagree. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:14) Judith: agree: there is no consumer confusion.
Courts have acknowledged that. |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:14) http://www.superroot.org/name-fable.html |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:14) It IS nonsense. The market will decide what
confusion is there. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:15) simon, i know where you are coming from. I'm
referring to the functions, not hte strcutures. there is a difference |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:15) YES LEAH |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:15) markets flourish when their is relatively
stable short to medium term environment for them and their customers |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:16) I pointed my DNS to the IP's given at open-rsc.org
...but I still can't access any .web's |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:16) This whole show is pagentry required
to fulfill the appearance of a "democratic" process. No wonder its
not funded. It's only a show, with a very limited periodic public
run. Scenery doesn't cost that much, after all. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:16) ANyone notice that the name was changed
from Self-nominatedto Member-nominated a few days ago? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:16) yes, dennis |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:16) cosmetics, Dennis |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:16) cam, if that were the case, there would NOT
have been the natural and organic growth of the Internet to date! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:16) Yes, with mention that member still
doesn't mean member. |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:16) over and over yesterday, they kept saying
this is not a political process. ha. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:16) i'm not sure its totally cosmetics, but
certainly seems like too little to late |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:17) Nathan, try 199.166.24.1 and 205.189.73.10 |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:17) funny, whenever someone speaks (public commments)
....it's is CLEAR that they might as well be talking to a wall |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:17) I liked the change: "Self-Nominated" had
become very belittling compared to "Nominated" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:17) What amazes me is that these people
take themselves so seriously, given the pre-ordained outcome. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:17) I asked to change the name in the public
forum... guess also other did. |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:17) 205.189.73.10 rather than 205.189.73.102 ? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:17) yup, many people did |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:18) as Jon Lovitz would say - it's ACTING, Judith |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:18) 102 will work as well |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:18) I liked "people-nominated" but also
member-nominated is fine. |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:18) I did that |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:18) ;-) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:18) but they seemed to pay v. little attention
up till 7th july when they posted revised election recommendations |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:18) used those numbers |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:18) yes... you post in the forums, then
you never get feedback, do you? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:18) Nathan what OS are you using? |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:18) I tested what I thought would be active .webs,
none would resolve |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:18) Windows NT |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:18) no |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:18) Gotta reboot |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:18) that's right vint |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:18) Cam, they certainly ignored the consensus
that 10% was too high, on the boards |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:18) chris - any help? |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:18) doh windows 2000 ...just changed |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:19) but now they seem to have taken some note
of it |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:19) I don't know if they let you change setting
on the fly |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:19) mebbe.... |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:19) 2000 is supposed to set them on the fly
without even rebooting |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:19) Simon, it says "these settings will take effect
next time you dial up" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:19) now they are further qualifying candidacy |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:19) I had somebody do that the other day. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:19) (cam puts on jacket as scottish summer too
cold) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:19) nathan, your ISP may not allow it. It may
just re-resolve |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:19) so, I disconnected, and called back in |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:20) send some cool weather here cam |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:20) Wait 'til the fat lady sings ;-) |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:20) really Leah ? hmmmm |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:20) I guess I need to call them and ask .... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:20) Yeah, ISP can block it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:20) The ElCom comments were "we like 2%"...
which still is hugely high if you cannot communicate with voters. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:20) you're more than welcome gene, lets swap |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:20) 2% is better than 10% |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:20) DHCP will overwrite the DNS settings in
some cases |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:21) Leah....do you know if AOL blocks it (I
am having trouble) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:21) yes, like the default cisco switch dhcp settings |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:21) judith, you pointed out their self-importance:
i think they will just be washed away in a year or two |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:21) don't know. I assume AOL blocks everything.
I won't use them |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:21) I was hoping in "the N most voted candidates
plus those who get at least X%". |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:21) if they can't demonstrate solid public backing
then a well-funded joint corporate solution will wipe them out |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:21) But Cameron, after how much damage
and wasted time/effort? |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:21) that was my guess too |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:21) like the credit card and airline booking
consortia |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:22) cameron: I agree. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:22) you're totally right there, judith - we
mustn't give up:) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:22) OTOH, I believe in the direct democracy
model for internet "political" administration |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:22) like att.working (commercial on tv two years
ago) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:22) coors.cool |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:23) About three weeks ago on TV |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:23) bohica.com |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:23) i agree with Vit IF it can be made workable |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:23) look at experience of cooperative firms
in Europe in last 2 centuries - mixed but certainly possible |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:23) Cam : I agree . Money will wash all the
cosmetic democracy away if constitutional principles don't govern
it. |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:23) I can't get a response out of Coors, I tried to show
them how it would resolve |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:23) so, rather than waiting for some corporate...
if ICANN tries to destroy at large, I'd rather try to gather at large
members and try a self-proposed spinoff. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:23) i agree, vint, but... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:24) ideal would be to get as much of existing
and working ICANN on board as well |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:24) technical and admin experience as regards
ICANN's needs? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:24) sure. I hope ICANN works :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:25) ICANN's structure is not so bad, though
complicated, if we can defend at large members' rights. |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:25) hey Ambler, give me a .web that is definately
active, if you would |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:25) is andrew mclaughlin in the live meeting
at the moment? he worried me a bit with his comments on public forum |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:25) yes, he is - responding now to Linda |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:25) those "we cannot afford more than 7
candidates per region"? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:25) glasses, about 32 years old? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:25) yup, vit |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:25) why don't I get anything on the Scribe
channel? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:26) i don't think he was actively trying to
con anyone, he was just trying to deal with everything to technically |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:26) andrew is a consumate student of politics |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:26) cameron: I thought "I write him and
I ask him: can I help?" |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:26) so am i - but he is too consummate! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:26) me too :) |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:26) yep, Gene.... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:27) what did he say, vit, can i guess? |
| <NathanYe> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:27) Ambler, would you please give me a .web that
is definately active? I'm trying The.web, Nic.web ...and a few others
, with no success |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:27) no answer yet. but you can try to guess. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:27) so much of this stuff they're talking about
before has been done a zillion times before by charity lawyers and
boards etc |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:27) they are professionals - but not in democracy! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:28) new governments are tough to set up |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:28) or drafting constitutions! it is so back-of-the
envelope |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:28) look, have you noticed that staff at the
top is ALL lawyers? the CFO is a JD, not a CPA..... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:28) i agree, gene, so more than 10 people should
be involved |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:28) yes |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:29) didn't know that greg, thanks |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:29) are the scribe notes updating? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:29) Greg, why do you think they're so trademark-centric? |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:29) I am not getting any scribe notes |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:29) they are dead. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:29) Scribe notes are frozen. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:29) exactly, Judith - and why the budget looks
the way it does, too |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:29) trademark regime is existing and well enforced,
so easier than thinking afresh |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:30) but its a v. bad road for them to go down,
i fear |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:30) Yes, Cam! That's the problem. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:30) refresh the static scribe notes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:30) they're current |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:30) thanks john |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:31) I am concerned. A tm-centric Internet
would be bad. To be honest, the very reason I want to participate
in this is to be sure that tm does not become the only reference in
domain issues. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:31) Cameron, original thinking is outside
of attorney radar. Really. It's appalling, but I think its trained
out of the. (No offense to any lawyers here, nothing personal, just
my observation over time.) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:31) yes vit, and it seems to be happening v.
quickly over last 6 months, behind the scenes |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:31) Basically, I want to go there and make
the Internet a better place for everyone, especially individuals. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:31) i was looking over WIPO's archives of dispute
decisions, though, and they weren't all bad |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:32) Cam, no, they aren't ALL bad...but many
of them are |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:32) I had a look at the crew.com case... |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:32) In the words of the HHGTTG "mostly harmless" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:32) (Exception: some wonderful attorney/engineer
type folks, or attorney/entrepreneur types, etc. - people who by their
nature, think outside the box.) |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:32) and in fairness, WIPO decisions have better
supporting docs than the other providers |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:32) ! don't know many lawyers, myself |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:32) they are dangerous cam |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:33) they attempt to superceed national law |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:33) yup, greg, their supporting docs were quite
impressive - but from what you say this aren't a requirement |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:33) I have many lawyers as clients. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:33) guess many of those directors don't
even know what they are talking about. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:33) you noticed, Vit? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:33) looks like it vit |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:33) they keep confonding the nomination
phase with the campaign phase :) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:33) many lawyers have me as a client |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:33) I'm using the dual pane feed, John. How
do I refresh them? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:33) (confusing) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:34) so in the next few days, now that they have
realized their limitations, we should post key points on some public
forum they listen to |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:34) Have scribe notes frozen? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:34) not that i know of such a forum1 |
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:34) Any word on when the names of new TLD's
will actually be suggested? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:34) they are going to take decisions today...
|
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:35) Is it the 15th or 16th in Yokohama? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:35) 16th, no? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:35) notes are moving again |
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:35) One day ahead of the US, Judith? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:35) 16th |
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:36) so....they were supposed to have resolution
at the opening, right? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:36) the suggestions will be made by the proposals
of the applicants |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:36) Names will be proposed by the applying
registry |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:36) great minds... |
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:36) oh...and they have until Oct, right? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:36) yes |
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:36) sheesh... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:37) mcglaughlin just said he got 'no guidance
through public forum' on statements by candidates |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:37) John: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/agenda-bod-071600.html. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:37) selective sight |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:37) is that right, i'm not sure it is |
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:37) I read it Judith and the transcripts of
the scribe but I'm still confused. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:38) Cam- yes |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:38) that's how it looks |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:38) fair enough, then |
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:39) Okay, summary - no names will actually be
known at the end of the meeting. If the proposing registrar puts up
the money, ICANN will "consider" the actual name in Oct? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:39) that's close |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:39) Or just take the money |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:39) And say bye bye |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:39) their right, by their rules |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:40) If applicants should have to post this
info, the existing board should have to post it. Now. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:40) Vint is making some sense |
| <JohnChwatal> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:40) They have to pay for their next foreign
trip somehow |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:40) vint, with his flaws, is a voice of reason in
this mess |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:41) maybe he is campaigning for the chair? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:41) that was a crass remark |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:41) I agree with Vint , but Esther's conflict
of interest point is reasonable. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:41) crass? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:41) RaTHER |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:41) the hostage remark |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:41) before voting for someone, I'd like
to be informed if he runs a registry, or if he is an attorney living
on TM cases. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:42) yes |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:42) i think the ethics committee getting that info
is totally valid because they are hiring him adn need to know.. if
the public is hiring him, or doing something to taht effect, they
deserve the same information |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:42) I run a registry. I will decline any
nomination. Thank you. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:42) i agree with makolee |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:42) Has the current board and staff ever
done conflict etc. disclosure? |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:42) Did anyone else just lose sound? I still
get good picture? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:42) ditto chris |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:42) Esther has been very forthcoming,Judith |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:42) anyone else lose sound? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:42) no |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:42) no |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:42) I can listen. |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:42) If Higgs and Ambler had been on the original IAHC,
we wouldn't be in this mess now |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:42) Shoot, Esther brags! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:42) and which feed are you on if you lost sound? |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:43) JohnWilbanks: doing fien |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) if you want the job, you have to be open
- other solutions don't work |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) please be very specific |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) Primary Realvideo |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:43) IAHC was doomed to fail, and chris and simon
know it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:43) people will decide whether, let's say,
running a registry is acceptable for them to vote you or not :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) was vint cerf the guy with beard? |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:43) Are there abut 28 organizaTIONS APPLYING and plunking
down $50,000? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:43) and KNEW it |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) please close your window and reopen it |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) About three weeks ago on TV |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) Judith: she can brag (in my book). So can
you! |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) I did. It's OK |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:43) and let me know if it's still a problem |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:44) ??? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:44) MC, for the TLD's? I dont' |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:44) CameronSmith: absolutely.. these are people
that are offering to represent ME.. in order to represent me through
themselves, i would like a picture of what other intersts they will
be representing so i can make an informed decision |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:44) ok. again, if you have sound or vid problems,
let me know. |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:44) MC...where did you get 50k from? |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:44) Do @Large members get to vot on the new registries
LOL |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:44) Which is why we weren't on the IAHC - conflict
of interest |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:44) OK. tx |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:44) don't know, that is, Touton said even
10 applications would strain ICANN's abilities. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:44) money is not the problem |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:44) Not me Ray |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:44) esther making a good point now |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:44) Touton is wrong. And even were he right,
I'd pay $100K. |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:45) Seems Like they will get nearly 1.5 million nice
funding |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:45) i think what is most troubling is that they
made this valid suggestion, took it public forum, no one objected,
and now they are second guessing themselves |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:45) exactly, chris. the money IS NOT the issue here
at all |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:45) Gene, money IS the problem for ICANN,
they'd love to take 28 applications at $50,000 per, if they could
... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:45) good point makolee, it is slightly weird |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:45) these are people that are representing the people
at teh public forum.. and teh public forum had their chance |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:45) 50K is a drop in the bucket relatively speaking |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:45) no, i mean for application fee |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:46) ICANN money problems are not mine |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:46) If they were nicer people might donate |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:46) The public forum was a joke |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:46) this is the board deciding this now and that's
weird because these people should not and are not supposed to be representing
the current board.. that's the ENTIRE point |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:46) but historical experience suggests that
if there are poor legal sources of funding for an organization then
other ones will be found! |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:46) MC - right |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:46) They don't do anything the public wants.
They just make "mention" of it for show. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:47) so in a way, gene, ICANN's money problems
are ours |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:47) I say again until the public can vote for 19 directors
I can;t see a full democratic process |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:47) MC: I'm with you there! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:47) I agree. |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:47) MC: oh hell yes! :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:47) i agree |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:47) so whats up all..just got up,did i miss anything
imprtant ? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:47) i was speaking specifically about the money
as a barrier to entry - not the issue |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:47) So we start with five, and then those
five should go there and start shouting. |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:47) MC: if anyone's claimed they want a full democratic
process (which i cant' remember hearing).. they lied.. :) |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:47) this whole directorship seems oriented at protecting
ICANN from the big bad wolf |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:47) I think makolee raises an interesting point,
but that's no excuse for ostrichism. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:48) ok, gene, i agree with you there, money
could well be a big barrier to non-Western candidates |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:48) a start is a start, lets hope the right people get
in |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:48) Joe - of course it is |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:48) i said that 2 years ago |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:48) i agree with craig and vit - 5 is better
than 0 ! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:48) That's why nomination and campaign
rules are incredibly important. |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:48) i think the board deciding this process is out
of line.. |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:49) chris...in brief...what is you would pay
100k for? I missed something |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:49) yup, if there are only 5 elected candidates
then at least 1 has to be member-nominated! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:49) Joe -- isn't it a valid interest to know
candidate's financial linkages? |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:49) i think the election, and process of election
of at large representatives is power that lies with the at large members |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:49) I have experience in being a candidated
- let me tell you that if you can raise consensus but you cannot make
yourself known, you won't go far. |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:49) did they decide on which gTLDs to add ? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:49) no |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:49) shep, they will never determine the gTLDs |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:50) not this meeting you mean ? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:50) they will be determined by th applicants |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:50) no, ever |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:50) so who does ? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:50) registry applicants |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:50) Dennis - not really - it's all together irrelevant
- the candidate should be able to decide for himself weither to disclose
or not. Their getting close to violation of privacy laws - and what
they decide for new directors will also apply to them. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:50) ICAnn makes recommendations to DOC. |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:50) here's the other thing: i want to elect people
that are not famous, people i havent' heard of, people like ME, but
unless i can get a system that encourages full disclosur, i won't
feel safe doing taht |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:50) ICANN never will |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:50) Gene/Shep, they will determine the
gTLD's by deciding who gets to be a gTLD registry. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:51) Joe, that was Linda Wilson's point, and
her process to handle that was ignored |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:51) judith .. is that expected to heppan today ? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:51) Joe -- but what if Esther owns 10% of Microsoft.
Don't we HAVE to know that in order to be able to vote? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:51) 'significant' is a bit of a weasel word |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:51) i missed that greg. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:51) baptista: you are not *obliged* to
candidate, so there's no privacy law issue - if you decide that you
want to get there, you have to be transparent. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:51) No. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:51) This is a general public election.
No secrets. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:51) agree with vit |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:52) VittorioBertola: so true |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:52) 'significant' removes the objectivity - exactly
what they want |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:52) I think most people know what is right and wrong,
it's that simple doing it is another |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:52) if someone is interested in the question - it
should be placed in a public forum and her answer duly recorded. Is
that not enough - if she's evasive it will show and if shes direct
it will show |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:52) .. and the people proceed to vote |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:52) yes, baptista - so all this is doing is
blanket asking the same question to everyone, up front |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:53) yes: so if someone does not disclose
a relationship, he will say "I thought it was not significant". :-( |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:53) Joe -- Okay, I udnerstand public forum.
But shouldn't that public forum be required in some way? To prevent
deception or concealment? |
| <makolee> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:53) ugh.. a layer of invasiveness is ESSENTIAL to
reach a layer of truth and objectivity in chosing a representative..
it's the way it is |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:53) hey joe |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:53) i did not think it was sexual relations...
kind of clintonesque thing |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:53) to the person sending private message - you
know who you are - i have no idea how to send private message back
- i only use irc for icann |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:53) hi gene |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:53) it was me joe |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:53) no, we are not talking about sex, race
and so on... obviously. We are talking about business and personal
relations. |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:54) we should have one - public forum - agreed dennis |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:54) I'm with ya then, Joe |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:54) hooray |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:54) no, vit, I meant the way that words can
be twisted ' i didn't think it was a significant relation' |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:54) off topic but related to icann .. anyone know
why icann dont do anything about netsol last auction actions ? |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:54) oh yes - i'm always one for confrontation -
put the candidates together and watch the show |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:54) public forum |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:54) you grenade thrower you |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:54) agree with joe and dennis |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:55) :-) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:55) Cam (chilly here in Boston too -- going
for a jacket) |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:55) careful, Gene - he'll spoof you next :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:55) good to hear it, dennis! |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:56) they're not breaking for lunch today, are
they? |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:56) spoof who - i'm innocent |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:56) who, joe? naw, not me |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:56) This meeting will go on for how many
hours - anyone know/ |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:56) don't talk about lunch, i've brushed my
teeth already! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:56) 4:00am EDT |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:57) Till 4am? You're kidding .... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:57) at the rate they're progressing, it will
take ages yet |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:57) i can't remember what the agenda said |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:57) i think it ends at 2am edt. |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:57) correct me if i'm wrong. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:57) what is EDT time now? |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:57) 11PM |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:57) 11:00 |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:58) hope they pass on to somehtihng boring soon,
then ;) |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:58) off topic but related to icann .. anyone know
why icann dont do anything about netsol last auction actions ? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:58) I'm konking out at 11 PM: what on earth
is this like if it |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:58) ... 4 am? |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:58) icann does not care - and they don't want to
rock netsols boat |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:58) too busy, they hope issue will just go away |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 22:59) we losing sound? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:59) Mike certainly is a good stage manager,
isn't he? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 22:59) Jobs for the boys |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:59) exactly - like majic - poof - all gone |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:59) WTO learnt from seattle, their upcoming
meeting is on Okinawa, looks like ICANN learnt too! |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:59) so if they dont do their job,what the hack this
meeting is about ? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:59) sorry, not WTO, I meant G8, same difference
in too many respects |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 22:59) icann = showmanship - reality |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 22:59) Shep...IMO, ICANN does not have the teeth
to take on NSI. Just my opinion |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:00) icann=cartoon |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:00) i think Ray might have something there |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:00) I agree with Ray. ICANN is weak. |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:00) ray .. im with you on that..besides i also believe
they together in bed .. so even if they could,they wouldnt |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:00) and it will not get strenght except by building
public support - so they do need us, they just haven't realized it
yet |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:01) this support issue is so bad |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:01) its just hard to understand such a international
meeting and everyone is just ignoring the real problems out there
|
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:01) Oh. They realize it. |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:01) ICANN needs funding. NSI has the money.
This does not mix well |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:01) Cam, that assumes that they want to be "strong"
ICANN may well be more useful to those using it if it remains "weak" |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:01) you know: European registries refused
to fund ICANN. They won't do it unless this election brings to an
"acceptable" European At Large director. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:01) i take your point greg, but i'm not quite
so cynical (most days :) ) |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:02) good for Vint |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:02) yeah, Vint was good on that one |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:02) some african registries also withholding
funds from ICANN |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:02) Ray, then what of the resolution to
move operational control of the root to Marina Del Ray? What is NSI
getting out of this? |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:02) NSI is sitting pretty. The registrars have
become their sales agents. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:03) but the registrars don't understand the root |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:03) The Root serrver move should have been done
years ago. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:03) speaking of security *snicker* |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:03) i agree, NSI has a de-facto 'monopoly' but
that won't last once EU and Japanese trade policymakers wake up to
what is going on |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:03) Craig: this ends if new gTLD's are intro'd
tho, no? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:03) Greg, re weak/unfunded ICANN, I believe
too that this is the case. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:03) what root server move? |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:03) It's just a teeny concession by NSI while
they consolidate their gains. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:03) snicker indeed, greg! |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:03) Judith...I think ICANN knows what needs
to be done. Getting there is going to be very difficult w/o further
and solid funding. NSI is not going to sit by and watch it happen |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:04) Say it, Vint! |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:04) the new auction is really a scary though ..
nsi can easily run a dictionalry block of up to 63 chars with fake
identities and claim these names..i personally saw many times comple
blocks of names taken ( reserved,not paid ) and there was noone to
reach in the admin.tech contact |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:04) MAybe Dennis. But now NSI the registrar
gets gains from that,too. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:04) ROOT SERVER SYSTEM ENHANCEMENT: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/root.html |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:04) cheers Vint! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:04) Vinton Cerf seems to be the only practical
person there. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:04) yeah vint |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:04) dyson is ok sometimes |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) Jun Murai, perhaps, too. |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) Pindar is cool. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) which one is Murai? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) Linda Wilson has made good sense, and gets
ignored a lot |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) I understand...we'll see |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:05) True that, greg. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:05) spoke with vint re icann several months ago
in cleveland - his comments are unprintable here |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:05) they don't understand anything about
elections!!! |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) He'll be talking on the RSSAC |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) i wish they had nameplates on the video
shot! |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) Murai's pretty quiet, but who knows about
behind the scenes stuff. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:05) Gene, IM me |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:05) bogus!!! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:06) hooray vint, exactly right |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:06) candidateswill be found primarily thru nomcom?????!!!! |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:06) even if you cannot vote for more than
one person, you might want to support more than one because you do
not know if any of them is going to get to the ballot - it's so simple... |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:06) Vittorio: you're right! |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:07) "we can easily code that" oh good, Andrew,
we can trust you on that, just like the scalability of the servers.... |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:07) can't some one start a dotcom and headhunt
andrew away from there? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:07) Regional divide and conquer |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:07) Gotta love it |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:08) hey guys - one important thing is that
all at large directors cooperate. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:08) we must have limits - must control |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:08) heaven forbid we have lots of candidates! |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:08) what about the arbitrators performance,do they
talk about it and the unacceptable/crossed decisions they made on
similar cases ? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:08) Vit, been arguing that on the boards for
a long time |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:08) they must cooperate - but that doesn't mean
agree, it just means be prepared to work productively |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:08) Shepherd, have they discussed substantive
issues? No. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:09) at last! reason |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:09) guess we should keep in touch. also,
I'd say that during the campaign points about the role and importance
of the at large thing should be top priority. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:09) who is that talking, judith? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:09) McLaughlin |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:09) judith .. why not is the question |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:09) no, before him |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:09) Blue shirt glasses? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:10) yup |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:10) what does icann intend to do to the roots to
enhance them ??? http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/root.html
i'm not sure they mentioned what was ment by enhancement |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:10) McLaughlin |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:10) they have not that i have heard, joe |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:10) This is Amadadeu |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:10) It's not their agenda, that's why ...
the agenda is appearance of a democratic process while they do what
they want. Really. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:10) cheers simon |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:10) A LOTTERY?????? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:10) If only I could spell |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:10) ;) |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:11) maybe they have figured out their roots can
be compramised. I'm into a multiple root system to avoid failure |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:11) Cheers mate! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:11) :-) joe! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:11) no, its the other way round amdadeu, the
more candidates the more quality to choose from |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:12) i'm surprised no ddos of substance has occurred
against the roots |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:12) rational members of @large will NOT spread
their support over 50 candidates |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:12) Joe, what's your take on the root resolution? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:12) for info about this guy: |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:12) http://www.icann.org/biog/mclaughlin.htm |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:12) root resolution for what - dot.god - or vulnerabilities? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:12) sure... guess they think that at large
members are stupid. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:12) who is white shirt dark tie guy who just
said 'im being persuaded by amadeu'? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:12) wow - lost everything |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:13) Icann's resolution ... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:13) Vint Cerf |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:13) i thought he had the beard? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:13) Vint is in the headphones |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:13) I thought that's who you meant |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:13) sorry |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:14) i'm going to look at those biog pages now
and save you all these questions! :-) |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:14) OT: has there been a minimum fee discussed
to become a new registry? |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:14) oh - well - it says nothing - i can confirm
the roots can be taken offline with a well planned ddos. the only
way around that is launching multiple roots - maybe they mean enhanced
in that way. The resolution just sounds like gibberish. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:14) Ray, $50K application fee |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:14) $50,000 |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:14) $50K |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:14) thank you |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:14) Well that's $150k pledged tonight... ;-) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:15) such rubbish |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:15) 50k isn't much in the West, given the flush
state of the capital markets - but it is in poorer countries |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:15) Is it true that fee is not refunded for
losing applicants? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:15) Correct Craig |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:16) Unless the fee structure is changed |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:16) ORSC fits then |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:16) never happen |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:16) another plan maybe |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:16) john, video feed out |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:16) just me? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:16) It's bound to be challenged |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:16) What was the POC amount. $1,000? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:16) my vid's ok |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:17) The original Postel fee was $1000 |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:17) 50K will keep everyone out |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:17) Joe, you got it! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:17) not me |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:17) except for the corporate yohoos - and there
you have your capture - the board has captured itself - how enlightening |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:17) they are going to further limit the number
of member nominated candidtates |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:18) Now surprise me Leah :) |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:18) 50k is a ticket in te door as to keep out anyone
underfunded not to mention to fill the ICANN coffers. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:18) actually there is one good thing about a
fixed fee: it is better than mobile licence-style auctions, which
definitely would price anyone except big corps |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:18) If this gal is successful, we've just lost
it |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:18) $50k is cheap...I am surprised they communicated
such an amount. Verisign just paid about 15B for the NSI registry |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:18) It's to fill the coffers. It's non-refundable, and
they don't have to approve you. |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:19) They paid to much! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:19) Judith, are you listening? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:19) Bob, you're right in 2 out of 3. |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:19) The thrid is? |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:19) Third is? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:19) but i still think its exhorbitant |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:19) don't lump me with the corp yoohoos joe |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:19) Two of your points are correct. One
is wrong. That's it. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:19) Balogna! |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:19) Which one is wrong? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:19) I'm here Leah. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:20) no leah, what she says is ok: no minimum
number of nomcom candidates need to be elected |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:20) calm, Leah....of course it was |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:20) If they cap the number of candidates to
7 per region, then do not specify how many will come from the noncom,
guess what! |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:20) gene - corporate yoohoos can't figure out my
sarcastic humour - you always laught on the phone - so i think your
ok ;-) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:20) shit... lost audio. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:20) We may get one per region |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:20) I anticipate that means you plan to run Gene?? |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:20) I was cut off ' |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:21) looks like Gene got bumped off again |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:21) if they truly believe this, then put it
in the resolution, otherwise its just PR |
| <MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:21) There better not be no .banc what a waste of time
that one is |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:21) oh right, leah, i get you now |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:22) what! 'its unfortunate but i accept it -
the nomination is in effect an election' |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:22) let's hope in the maximum of 200 :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:23) no pics on biog pages - who is blondie talking
now? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:23) ken somebody |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:23) damn - she's raising a stupid problem. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:24) if you don't have enough free slots,
you'll just take the top ones - what's the problem? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:24) Thanks Andrew, for citing the Comments. |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:25) Checked my notes. Postel's first proposed
fee was $100,000, which was reduced to $2,000. CORE's registrar fee
was initially 20,000, reduced to $10,000 (plus a monthly fee). |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:25) no monthly fee talked about thus far, I
take it? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:25) Craig, you are wrong. Postel posited
$2000 + 2%. |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:25) greg - have you taken over the conference -
you seem to have changed the topic. who has ops? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:26) everyone - it's VERY secure |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:26) lol |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:26) But you tried to pay $1,000, chris? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:26) just be happy I didn't bring in my eggdrop
:) |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:26) oh dear =- where are the berkman boys - is it
fruit cocktail time? this is very embarrassing if everyone has ops. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:26) No, $2000. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:27) what's an eggdrop? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:27) and irc bot, Cam |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:27) er, an irc bot |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:27) PS: we didn't *try* -- we *did* |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:27) :) |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:28) why don't they just allow each person to
have multiple votes and rank their votes? that solves the problem |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:28) I'll recheck the docs, but I see something
in my old notes whcih says that his original $100,000 proposal was
reduced to $2,000. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:28) Joe: help me out here. WHy should there
be any limits on candidates? I'm confuse by the rationale, andoffended
by the apparent intention. |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:28) And, Chris, no funds were exchanged. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:29) Dennis, they are capping the number because
they claim poverty |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:29) good point by Cerf |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:29) Craig, you ae wrong. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:29) hooray! in 30 minutes I can go to bed, sun
is about to come up here in Glasgow |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:30) it's the boards means of avoiding capture by
capturing itself. You can';t get too upset over icann - it's just
show and in the final analysis they don't have exclusive control of
the roots. So this christmas give yourself a santa pressent - chnage
your roots and visit god www.dot.god - cheers |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:30) Leah: tell me it ain't so? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:30) Wish I could, Dennis |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:30) Joe: why did i have a sinking feeling???? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:30) Read last night's scribe notes |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:31) don't let it depress you dennis - it's an opportunity.
as the net educates itself I have confidence this bullshit won't last. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:31) i agree with joe |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:32) Chris, On the $100,000 we can check the
docs. On the 2,000 paid or not, we can check your bank account. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:32) "server crashes - I mean timeouts" heh |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:32) Craig, spot on. |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:32) no need to get upset about it - just use your
option - www.open-rsc.org or www.tinc-org.com |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:32) Hey! I just won a game of vegas-style
solitaire! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:32) I'm a relic of the 60's: still not recovered
from Kent State! |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:33) trust me dennis - electronics are much more
nicer then kent state - that was awful |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:33) KSU is 15 miles from here |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:33) At last, a cause for optimism? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:33) Anyone know how to get to the Japanese
Gardens here in Yokohama? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:33) Sorrry Gene -- that answer was for Joe. |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:34) gene - you missed my comment where i said you
were coll and not a corporate yoho - now - does this mean your running???? |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:34) how many notheast ohions are here, anyway? |
| <shepherd> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:35) this meeting is way too boring for me,gnite
all |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:36) I will be going for lunch in a few
moments. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:36) oh come on, amadeu |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:37) John will probably zap this comment: but
when I listen to Amadeu, I recall visiting Franco's Spain around the
time of Kent State (as a student) ... and I'm digusted!!!!!s |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:37) good, andrew - this is what should have
been proposed initially |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:37) sorry folks, keep getting bumped |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:37) Amadeu assumes we're all idiots. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:38) agree, mat |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:38) agree. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:38) See you alllater. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:38) agree |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:38) or rather he makes out he thinks we're all
idiots |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:38) have fun chris |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:38) laters, CHris |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:39) got to disagree with Linda on this one |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:39) decide with a coin toss ;) |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:39) Let the ties in. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:39) hi ben - all ok? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:40) agree with Craig |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:40) yes, all OK. problems on your end? |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:40) Your flexible, eh? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:40) grrr, can't she just let both ties in! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:40) no, just worried about your emergency |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:40) the nomcom can't be making qualitative judgements |
| <Edelman> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:41) emergency is safely resolved, i believe. thank
you. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:41) great |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:42) The new cap plus first-to-tie sounds fine. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:42) I like cap plus all ties |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:42) yup, better than other things we have been
offered |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:42) NOT TRUE |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:42) not true |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:43) my god. these guys don't understand
anything about election technicalities. |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:43) that guy's bogus |
| <Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000
at 23:43) Cap plus ties but they take the shirt off your back |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:43) what is not true? missed it |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:43) Is staff really that stretched by letting
more candidates in? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:43) the idea of endorsing more than one candidate
causing more ties - NOT TRUE |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:43) who is SHE? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:43) nightmare |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:43) linda wilson? |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:43) because they want to control the entire
"campaign" of each candidate, probably so |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:44) there he said it - you are right |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:44) nice call greg |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:44) I'm tired of hearing about stretching
staff resources. If they can't take the heat, get out the kitchen!
(Isn't this the job they got hired to do?) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:44) "If we mount the campaigns..." |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:44) ditto Judith |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:45) ditto |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:45) i have not heard vint talk about resource constraints
much |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:45) streaching staff resources is civil service
talk for "avoiding duty" |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:45) esther says something smart. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:45) hehehehe <= joe |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:45) jeez! you'd think no one had invented content-management
software |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:45) *nod* Matthew |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:45) YES ESTHR!E |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:45) oops |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:45) *Now* Roberts worries about failure
of trust? |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:46) But they should be prepared for the tie
case. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:46) yup, but not to spend 5 hours on it when
they have already agreed the key priniciples of their stitch-up |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:46) this will probably be put on the site as
"cap plus all Ivy League lawyers wearing fish ties" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:46) Cameron, two nights ago they wanted
to outsource financial management in order to mail out 21 invoices. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:46) :) |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:47) :) |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:47) Judith, you're kidding |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:47) your kidding 21 invoices? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:47) are you serious judith? how do you know
this? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:47) she's not |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:47) I kid you not. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:47) It's in the logs from the first meeting. |
| <CraigSimon> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:47) The board's new dress code... Caps and ties. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:47) And I was here. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:47) It's true! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:47) sounds like the British Army, who recently
spent $100 buying one ballpoint pen |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:47) that's pathetic. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:48) Gene, they spent the past two days moaning
about money & staff shortages |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:48) YES VINT YESYESYESYES |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:48) Hey, Cam, the Americans can spent $600 on
a toilet seat. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:48) i know simon, they are wasting their resource
complaining about resources |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:48) $1900 on a hammer |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:48) is Vint the only one there who actually
is comfortable speaking concisely at board meetings? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:49) greg, in a word, yes |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:49) i know, and now clinton is planning Xbn
on the NMD, what a bad plan |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:49) andrew's pretty concise |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:49) january can't come fast enough |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:49) I think he's one of the few with an
ego identity outside of the board. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:49) Gene, $100 for the hammer, $800 for the
QA for MIL-SPEC, $1000 for black-ops |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:49) andrew is concise because he is defending,
the less talk the better |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:49) andrew speaks in doublespeak |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:49) I should have said concise and cogent, Matthew
:) and Judith, you're probably right |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:49) truethink |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:49) Judith, it's because andrew's not on the
board. right? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:49) yes simon!!! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:50) Thank you, Amadeu! |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:50) yes doublespeak |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:50) joe, ever read the foundation trilogy? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:51) andrew is the mule - speaking for 6 hours without
saying a thing |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:51) hee! Gene |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:51) yes - very good reading - i've decided to read
the trilogy again before i die. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:51) but luckily andrew hasn't got the mule's
psychic powers |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:51) ... or has he? |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:52) hee hee hee - yes - reminds me of a lewis carol
poem - the snark |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:52) All mimsy were the borogroves! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:52) i'm about to 'reach closure' on being awake |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:52) They just shot themselves in the foot yet
again |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:52) and the momraths outgabe.god |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:52) it's 6am here... |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:52) I still have to go to bed. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:52) Leah, ??? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:52) YES THE SNARK! I forgot about that!!! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:52) 5am here, how about they hold the next meeting
in Europe or Africa, vit? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:52) good, greg! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:53) good morning then, vit! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:53) Yes, Judtih? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:53) cameron: I hope so |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:53) shot themselves in the foot ... what
I miss? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:53) VIttorio: grazie per la vostra patienza!
Soni d'oro. |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:53) outgabe.god is available in namespace http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=outgabe.god |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:53) e' quasi giusto. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:53) "too complicated to count the votes" yeah,
that incremental function is a real bear |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:53) They had almost got to where they were going
to allow unlimited support for candidates in their own region |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:53) sorry... I meant: you nearly got it |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:53) actually its 'outgrabe', there was a mistype |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:54) They are now going back on it |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:54) Amadeu: "i know i'm being paranoid, but..." |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:54) there is lots of third-party voting software
on the market anyway, |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:54) my favourite poem =- the snark. they all remind
me of the snark - they'll continue the trial even when everyone is
long gone and dead. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:54) Vittorio: got it anyway! G'night. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:55) Yes, vint, he already said there could be
a fixed number |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:55) heh - they're now talking flags...this is
absurd |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:55) that's available too http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=outgrabe.god |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:55) thought so! :-) |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:56) there are just under 8000 domains in god space |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:56) i'm an atheist, though |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:56) Joe, you shoulda named your company
Heaven. |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:57) the dictionary has about 120000 good names |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) oy vey |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) that's ok, Cam - so is god |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) one again |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) look, programming by committee! |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) I need to point out that today's trasmission
has been PERFECT -- Thank you Harvard!!! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) how many loc per hour will they reach? |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:57) and a zone file according to the latest .com
can hold in excess of 15 million domains |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) thank you Nestor |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) John, this really has run very well :) |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:57) yeah, thanks John! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:58) yup, v. smooth |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:58) sure, thank you. |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:58) heaven? |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:58) Kudos to you John !!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:58) John, not to take this excursion to
Yokohama for granted - thanks for the ride. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat,
July 15, 2000 at 23:58) (Joe - God's space. Heaven.) |
| <baptista> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:58) yes - i have to agrre this time everything has
gone well - congrats to harvard - and i don't give kudos often. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15,
2000 at 23:58) John, it is again worth noting that the efforts
of you and ben are greatly appreciated. thanks |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:58) god, this is such a simple program to write.
why are they going on and on about it? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:58) Joe -- so if the current com/net/org can
hold 98 (to the 10th), then the current zone file can't accommodate
more TLD's? (Just kidding!) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:58) no! can't limit it to one! |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:59) and BEN !!! |
| <CameronSmith> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:59) they could make it a competition on the
developer sites and get it prog'd for free |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:59) Let's give Ben his props |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:59) and Joe, thanks. |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:59) and now Linda assumes we are all stupid. |
| <gregburton> (Sat, July
15, 2000 at 23:59) and Ben, too :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:00) What John said ... |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:00) cam, they did this with nearly NO budget |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:00) Many thanks to John and Ben ! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:00) They just killed the possibility of fairness |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:00) yes, Ben! |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:00) it can - the zone file is no different in structure
to the com/net - or whatever tld zone - the root can accomodate in
excess of 15 million tlds (much more actually - but that's a factual
number backed by the com zone) |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:00) I move that ALL INVOLVED GET RECOGNIZED
BY NAME when the meeting adjourns . . . |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:00) i know, why not give every member NO nominations
- their system could probably just about handle that |
| <CraigSimon> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) I don't think they killed it, Leah. Two
or three would be better, but so it goes. |
| <gregburton> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) I'm waiting for my sandwhich |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) what do you mean, nestor? you mean how they
voted |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) i want to see them all talk with their mouths
full of food. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) Craig let me put it this way.... |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) :) |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:01) try to collect 300 endorsements in
the month of August when everybody has just one shot... it's almost
impossible. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) There are two candidates on Monday |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:01) you're in a lobby, or you're out. that's
what they're meaning. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) Then three on Wednesday |
| <gregburton> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:01) if they'd made it three, all the Holy Handgrenade
devotees could explain it to the rest of the folks.... |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:02) No, I mean ALL INVOLVED IN MAKING THIS TRANSMISSION
AVAILABLE (i.e., Ben, John, et al). |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:02) you think you like the second candidate
and decide to su pport him |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:02) stand by for the affirmation |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:02) oh right, nestor, i agree |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:02) Nestor: !!!!! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:02) Then you see on Friday the perfect person
you hoped would run |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:02) Now y9u can't support him |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) exactly leah - although at one point there
was mention of a way to 'change your nomination' at any time until
nomination closes |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:03) sure: any candidate will have to start
collecting endorsements the very first day, unless you become able
to retreat and move your endorsement until the last day. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) Candidates are not allowed to campaign outside
of the ICANN site |
| <CraigSimon> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) Whaat if you waited until Saturday to decide? |
| <gregburton> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) that would be easy to handle, leah - ever
endorsement you make overwrites the old one...the last one you make
is the one that stands |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) to prevent advantage over others |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:03) leah: I don't think so. |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) how long is the break? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) they are, just not through @large, i thought? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:03) how could they ensure this? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) 5 minute break folks, but that usually means
15 |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:03) Sure, you can wait until the last possible
day before nominations close |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:04) I'll go to sleep. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:04) ciao, me too |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:04) Please, I'd say that we should definitely
keep in touch. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:04) then their stupid servers would crash |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:04) see you on applyatlarge.com during the next
week? |
| <gregburton> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:04) Leah, ANY candidate can campaign on the
applyatlarge site :) and if they try and stop it, won't ICANN look
wonderful and bottom-up? |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:04) I think so. (both for greg and cameron) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:04) agree, greg |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:04) Can someone on the floor ask/communicate
this to someone there ?? [[I'm sure this will be in the program --
I'd just want for us the recipients of this FINE transmission to be
able to acknowledge it & the persons involved . . .] |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:04) I think we should put some pressure
on them... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:05) Greg, if they pass a rule that candidates
must stay within the ICANN site, then that candidate could lose by
virtue of breaking the rules |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:05) ...so that they feel that the at large
community won't let them take its voice away. |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:05) no, nestor, not right now but the logs of
this chat will be archived on the site tomorrow |
| <CraigSimon> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:05) I expect their servers will hold up. |
| <gregburton> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:05) And ICANN would lose bigger, Leah |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:05) Great!!! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:05) we'll get those logs linked in as soon as
the meeting is over |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:05) I've been cleaning up the files |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:06) and if you check out the agendas for 7/14
you'll note |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:06) greg, yes eventually. However, the elections
would be a bust now. |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:06) I think that they're too much 'apprentice
sorcerers' in the field of electioneering. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:06) that they are linked to scribe notes and
video by segment |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:06) I hope they're going to accept some
advice :) |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:06) but its up to us to draw their attention
to the relevant points which came out of the chat - they're hardly
going to trawl through 3000 lines of text |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:06) Not a chance, vit |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:06) let's keep in touch tomorrow, and try
to work out something. I'll come on applyatlarge.com. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:07) see you there, vit |
| <VittorioBertola> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:07) cheers to everyone |
| <CraigSimon> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:07) And I don't see how ICANN could deny candidates
the right to campaign outside the ICANN site. Is their any expressed
intention to do so? |
| <CameronSmith> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:07) see you there, goodnight |
| <gregburton> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:07) anyway - time for me to go :) take care,
all, and thanks for the interesting commentary. First board meeting
I've ever been to where I could drink single malt while it was in
process :) |
| <CraigSimon> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:09) This was the clearest and most stable of
any webcast I've ever connected to. Thanks guys. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:11) I may be back later, but in case not,
good nite all ... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:11) nite girl |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:11) Nite JO |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:14) What's a supermajority? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:15) nite |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:16) What do they need now -- another mooring
at Marina del Rey???? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:16) it's a majority with a red cape. |
| <kero> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:16) 2 |
| <kero> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:16) sorry |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:16) holy smokes! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:16) Matthew-- I love your answer, but I reallly
don't understand! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:16) They should move to Kern county |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:17) Is the gTLD issue "resolved" for these meetings
as per the agenda? IOW, are we done talking about new gTLD's at this
meeting ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:17) hi all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:17) did i miss much? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:17) Oh my gawd!!!! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:18) Expensive taste for a non-profit |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:18) Sotiris:;; they just resumed... you missed
nothing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:18) good |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:18) thanx |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:18) Sotiris: you |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:19) what about the issue of 5 or 9 At Large
Directors? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:19) ... welcome. If you're in Greece, yourre
really WELCOME! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:19) john, looks like we need a scribe update |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:20) no, I'm in Canada. I will be in Greece
in a few weeks. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:20) Sotiris: my next life, I'm coming back in
Greece! Maybe you guessed? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:20) how loing is lunch? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:21) they were actually just sitting there waiting
for lunch to be served!!!!! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:21) refresh the scribe notes |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:21) Are they continuing through lunch |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:21) then you'll like our Company's project:
www.greekphilosophy.com |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:21) yes, they're going through lunch |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:21) are they really going to lunch now? what
did they need the break for? geez |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:21) Sotiris: what is greekphilosophy.com? Seriously! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:21) well i don't mind |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:21) OK, place your bets |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:21) You know, I missed what they decided on
the 5 or 9 |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:22) Who will be the first to slobber all over themselves? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:22) one of our current projects. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:22) root server discussion over lunch...
could be interesting. are they serving wine? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:22) I'll definitely go check greekphilosophy.com
... but frankly, I'd rather be in the Peloponese! |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:23) oh...it's a working lunch. cool |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:23) Drinking at a board meeting? |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:23) You'd invalidate the whole afternoon |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:23) I am of Arcadian descent, northeaster
Peloponnese. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:23) but I am Canadian, by nationality. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:23) Sotiris: I recall driving through Arcadia
... and have never forgotten it! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:24) it is nice. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:24) they are not drinking anyting but water
and sodas, folks... |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:24) There's only one root |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:24) http://www.dns-root.org/ |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:24) was Wesley here? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:24) Wesley Holley? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:25) just as I'm about to turn in, the conversation
I'm waiting for ... low sound though |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:25) there goes the A server |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:25) Must be what they need the extra square
footage in Marina Del Rey for ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:26) proposal... |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:26) A waiter should bring out some turnips and carrots
for lunch..... Then we'd have a Root Server at the Root Server discussion |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:26) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:26) ha |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:26) ROFL |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:26) oh, nathan |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:26) :) |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:27) Dennis, a "supermajority" is not defined
in my copy of Robert's Rules of Order, but a brief review of online
sources indicates that it usually means two-thirds, but not always. |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:27) (i was curious too) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:27) Tx, Matthew. How even more dismaying! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:28) Vint Cerf rides again. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:28) i would like to see it as well. |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:28) eat, Vint, eat! |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:28) :) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:29) i guess i need to go to pittsburgh - it's 2
hours from here |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:29) Gene, I missed it, what happens in
Pittsburgh? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:30) ietf meeting |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:30) ... with a root server group meeting |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:30) open meeting? |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:30) ORSC should crash it |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:30) FYI: Last December, Vint got personally
involved when my email server (MCI WORLDCOM) was failing to deliver
my comments to the DNSO server in Paris. His help (and John Klensin's)
was invaluable. (It was a minor problem caused by the fact that my
computer was old andusing an outdated version of email software.) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:30) I wonder how many of the current At
Large Board memmbers believe they *should* be re-elected? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:30) some of it - don't know if the root meeting
will be open |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:31) yes, ORSC should be there |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:31) Anyone know what the "enhancement"
is comprised of? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:32) Probably blocking all the other roots with
a new version odf BIND |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:32) not likely |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:32) seem to be rushing this thru, no? |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:32) NSI 'controls' the root server now, correct
or no? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:32) yes |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:32) not possible |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:32) yes, under contract |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:32) No Doc does |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:32) what's no possible, Joe? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:32) JO == u r right |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:32) US governemt controls root. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:32) yes, contracted by doc |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:33) NSI has a.root-servers.net |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:33) NSI has physical possession of root
server, yes? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:33) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:33) yes |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:33) not possible - blocking other roots |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:33) right joe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:33) rerouting |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:33) BIND 9 |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:33) now ICANN local will have physical
possession of root server, yes? |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:33) what is in bind 9?? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:33) we need to bribe vixie |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:33) no |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:33) Hey, nothing like winging it in a conference
that the world is watching. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:33) no what? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:33) b.root-servers.net is in marina Del Ray |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:34) I just tuned in, but that seems like what
they are doing. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:34) Simon, I think A is en route too. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:34) There's a list of where they are on ICANN
web site |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:34) the US governement will probably retain
physical control, but there will be a shared political governance |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:34) My hunch is A will go to IBM |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:34) simon - what does bind9 do which blocks other
roots? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:34) IBM |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:34) It's a contracted server |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:34) probablly |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:34) yes simon, under ICANN contract |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:35) in the US |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:35) or MCI (Cerf) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:35) therefore, under US Law |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:35) broadly speaking |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:35) I guess I just don't get the impact of this
issue |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:35) Sotiris, I think the opposite - there
may be shared operational control, but US will retain policy governance. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:35) the a root server will never be outside the
us |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:35) DoC or State will control content of all
roots |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:35) ICANN roots that is |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:36) or Kashpyreff will take over the root |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:36) what about the 5 or 9 At large Board
Member |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:36) And go back to jail? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:36) kashpureff |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:36) Sotiris: sorry, ddint' understand the other
comments. Becky Burr'scomments yesterday convinced me that the US
GOvt is carefully retaining control of the 'property" whatever that
is, that occupies the root server. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:36) the British government for one, will
not allow US to dictate policy. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:36) clinton's last appointment simon (HEHE) |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:36) who knows |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:37) Sotiris: in that case, Rule Brittania! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:37) physical property is another matter. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:37) Current conversation - am I hearing
(barely) that ccTLD's are to be managed as other ITU "public resources"? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:37) I missed something! |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:37) Who owns the A.Root-servers.net ? Network Solutions
? |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:37) the root servers are controlled by various entities |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:37) no |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:37) US government and DNSO |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:38) My browser crashed and I had to reboot again |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:38) UUNET and the rest |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:38) billg yes NSI |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:38) vixie runs one - nsi another - also psi - etc
etc |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:38) Rule Brittania indeed! |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:39) See http://www.icann.org/committees/dns-root/y2k-statement.htm
for the complete list of ICANN servers |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:40) There's only one root... |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:40) so simon - whats up with bind9 - i was unaware
they figured out a method for clocking roots - it can be bypassed
on sure |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:40) http://www.dns-root.org/ |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:40) your alot of fun bob - consistent - which is
nice reliable |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:40) Oh Amadeu, please switch to Chinese! You'll
be more convincing! |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:41) It's rumored that the hints file can't be
changed, so it defaults to ftp.internic.net/root.db |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:41) Where are the scribes notes? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:41) Good question, JO! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:41) yes, where are they? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:41) There are checks made based on that, and
it will reject other root IPs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:42) but |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:42) Guido Sarduchi ? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:42) I can't confirm it but it's the rumor |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:42) ok - i get you - so all updates are automated
against the hints - that's very droll - so is it hard coded - or what
- can it be canged in the config???? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:42) Father Guido Sarducci? |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:42) ;) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:42) Esther??????? Cut the BS! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:42) abdication |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:42) royal word |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:42) ok simon - don't worry - i sure i can bypass
it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:42) she's the Queen |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:42) after all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:42) huh. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:42) Don't know - probably a file referenced
at ftp.internic.net - same as the SMTP check for InterNIC |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:43) Vint --- please help? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:43) hahahahahahahahahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:43) vint. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:43) hahahahahahaahhaahahahaa |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:43) i've got the email addresses of alomost all
the worlds dns operators - maybe an announcement is in order - we'll
see. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:43) damn that was cold |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:43) hahah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:43) oh |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:43) as ice |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:43) ow |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:43) i can really piss vixie off if i didi that |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:43) hild that thought joe - and keep it close |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:44) "I fear for your life because some
day you may hang yourself on principal." Jeez. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:44) You want Eugene's place? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:44) ;-p |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:44) I hereby nominate JO for the Board |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:44) who is this? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:44) i second |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:44) JO |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:44) for the Board |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:45) Dennis, it's late, get some sleep ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:45) hang himself, indeed! |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:45) judith would be good - don't forget god's angels
judith ;-) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:45) JO: too late, I'm in for the count! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:45) on PRINCIPLE! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:45) i'm still laughing. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:45) me too! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:46) i wonder if that will be in the scribe's
notes? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:46) Joe, Dennis, I've done my time on my
co-op's board! - I learned my lession - no way! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:46) how can a supposedly responsible person make
such remarks in public? |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:46) i understand |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:46) co-op = ICANN, i see your point! |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:47) The Blue Ribbon cleanses their sins, right
Joe? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:47) JO: look at what these guys are doing!!! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:47) [not you jo] |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:48) but icann is not really a co-op - it's a show
- ordered bottom up joke |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:48) lemon cups, lemon cups! |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:48) I want the .biz gTLD added to the A.root-servers.net.
Who should I contact ? How much is the registration fee for a gTLD
? |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:48) Reminds me of Spitting Image |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:48) The English TV show |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:48) 50k and ICANNN |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:48) Hi Bill. $50,000 to apply. |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:49) I don't think most of these people are getting
into heaven - blue ribbon or no blue ribbon - the've sold their soals. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:49) his ears are still ringing! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:49) JO: I have to disagree with Joe on one (fine)
point. I live in the Boston area. I worship Berkman. You are the man.
(No sexism!) |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:49) i think .biz already exists |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:49) Judith, are you working for NSI or ICANN or DOC ? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:50) What a strange question - what makes
you ask that? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:50) Who? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:50) billg |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:50) Hi baptista, my NSLOOKUP shows .biz does not exist
in the A.root-servers yet |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:50) Thanks--- hey all -- Judith is working for
thepublic interest. I voucher for her 100% |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:51) You're using the wrong root servers |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:51) http://www.dns-root.org/ |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:51) use superroot dns settings |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:51) Use those servers billg |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:51) Billg, I publish ICBTollFree.com -
find my bio at JudithOppenheimer.com. |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:51) try - http://www.earth-net.net/GTLD/ - check
the database - also do a dig @199.166.24.1 biz. any - that shouldcover
both the orsc root and tinc |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:52) ya - or check out bobs place |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:52) i need a coffee |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:52) brb |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:52) Tinc is half empty, like ICANN's root |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:52) but if you don't find it - try the url |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:52) it may be in another root |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:52) Shame really |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:53) billg, the "ICANN" root is not the only one |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:53) dot.god is in tinc - i found it there recently |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 00:54) Yeah, they don't like lightening hitting their servers
;-) |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:54) ok gang - i have to go a finish dinner - will
keep listening - but i'll join you for dinner |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:54) Sotiris: in my next life I'mgoing to study
the demotic greek, but for now, 'come back! dammit' |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:55) wasabi, joe? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:55) ok. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:55) mousa moi enepe... |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:56) what time did the meeting start yesterday?
On the hour, or half past the hour? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:56) Sing through me Muse... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:56) what about the scribes? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:56) Asleep ;) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:57) sotiris: den bourro una mirra birra? (sorry
(no greek letters available!!) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:57) oxi |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:58) ;-) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:58) keep an eye out for the sirens, folks... |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:58) sirens? |
| <Edelman> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:58) meetings started at 8:30 am yesterday. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:58) ? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:58) they'll make your servers crash on the shores. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:59) yeah, otherwise we'll crash onto the
rocks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:59) greek references, I'll shut up now. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:59) thanks, ben. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:59) showing my philo roots |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:59) :) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 00:59) ahhh, yes! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 00:59) ahh |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 00:59) Sotiris: parakaloh! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:00) euxaristo. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:00) how many will be activated? |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:00) Hi GeneMarsh, ICANN/IANA/NSI root is the central
root. THe Open ROot Servers Confederation gTLDs are not globally accessible. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:00) for the elections!!! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:01) billg, believe what you like |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:01) billg is just market share, and that you know can
be changed |
| <MatthewPappas> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:02) gonna put the keyboard aside and eat dinner
while i watch the rest. good night, all. enjoyed it. thanks, Joh and
all the Berkman folks. -m |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:02) They are globally accessible, just different DNS
settings |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:02) Why did ICANN anticipate so few at-large
sign ups/day? Hoping for low turnout? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:02) why not? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:02) who cares? |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:02) I hope the USA is broken up similar to the former
Soviet Union, so that Billy Clintoon won't rule the InterNet. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:02) who knows? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:03) billg, get a grip. he's out in january |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:03) billg: you don't know how scary what you
just said is! |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:03) Bite your toungue billg !!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:03) God Bless America! |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:03) Microsoft is going to break up the US Gov in retaliation |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:03) and I'm a Canadian. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:03) eh |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:04) God Bless America, Indeed!!! From Many We
Are One!! |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:04) good one Bob |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:04) You can do that by changing DNS settings and not
using the ICANN root |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:04) No, Sotiris: I love the Molson spiel. Try
that ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:04) yeah. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:04) a little long for me to type right
now... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:05) Do you believe that ICANN cannot handle
more than a few thousand transactions a day?! Don't they know someone
at IBM? Can Vint Cerf point them in the right direction? This is silly
... |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:05) Then you get all the TLDs ICANN doesn't recognize
- whole new internet |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:05) I'm in Boston: don't know if other USA folk
have heard it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:05) Boston: cultural capital of the US. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:05) ... and an internet that does not need ICANN's
root |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:05) McLaughlin is their registry |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:05) Bob...do you still get the ones ICANN does
recognize? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:06) "resource constrained"????? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:06) what a crock! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:06) of course, ray! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:06) Any techies here wanna tear up Roberts'
argument? Even I know better ... |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:06) Yes, the ORSC & SuperRoot zones are extensions
to ICANN |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:06) just wanted to be clear |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:06) extensions in structure only, not function! |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:06) There are no conflicts and no collisions with ICANN |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:06) DNS is DNS |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:06) But many resource constraints! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:06) Sotiris: you are hereby appointed an Honorary
Bostonian and Canterbridgian!\ |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:06) YES BOB |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:07) thanks Dennis. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:07) ;) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:07) Rather late in the process wish to
become members, like you slow you blow ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:07) "scrubbing the dbase" |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:07) That is why ORSC & SuperRoot have the real consensus |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:07) IT'S ALL BEEN DONE BEFORE |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:07) ICANN's root is the real root. Let's say .WEB is
assigned to Register.com, Inc by ICANN but really it is IODs. What
can IOD do ? |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:08) ICANN just aren't listening |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:08) no bob, you don't understand |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:08) Who's talking? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:08) there is no "real root" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:08) Damn, I was afraid it was him. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:08) my real root is not necessarily your real root,
and vice versa |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:08) billg I'm not sure I understand IOD role, please
clarify |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:09) IOD is http://www.webtld.com, one of those pre-registration
companies for .web |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:09) Billg go on |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:09) IOD is a fake! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:09) he's saying "what happens if ICANN gives .web
to someone else" |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:10) billg, please grow up |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:10) Yup! GeneMarsh got it. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:10) ok, billg, we know who the fake is |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:10) fake ....roflmao |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:10) Ever heard of prior art? IOD already prevented CORE
from running .WEB |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:10) ...it goes to court, billg |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:11) IOD will likely get injuction against next registry |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:11) NO GTLD can be trademarked. The MAlaysian federal
law does not allow it. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:11) Okay Vint -- knock it off! |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:11) So, neither does the US law |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:11) they don't need a trademark |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:11) but is may be service marked - which is different. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:11) TLDs cannot be tmed, US Congress recently
announced. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:11) prior use is prior use, no trademark needed |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:12) US COngress made no such announcement |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:12) they did. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:12) IOD has First Use, AND the track record
that no other pioneer registry has. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:12) US Congress is not empowered to decide trademark
law |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:12) I disagree with the last half ;) |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:12) So, why is IOD claiming that .WEB is their registered
trademark ? They are conning themselves. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:13) no pioneer registry has ironed out the databases
as much as IOD has. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:13) then my info was flawed. but i read
it in the news. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:13) i'm certain. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:13) It's all about traffic volume - they win
I agree |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:13) bllg, please keep the emotion out of it,
and look for the facts. The TM thing is only a couple of weeks old. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:13) Sorry folks-- theUS anti-cybersquatting
act was a piece of s**t that resulted from the fact that the US Congress
is brain-damaged with respect to the US Constitution, and relies ont
he Supreme Court to act as its super-ego! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:13) may have been someone's misinterpretation of
the facts |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:14) They lost their TM only a couple of weeks
ago. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:14) Who did? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:14) they have been scamming no one. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:14) IOD. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:14) But who has .com TMed? No one. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:14) Was it a formal application to USPTO? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:14) i agree with Deninis. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:14) NSI doesnt need a TM on .com to be the .com
registry. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:14) Dennis that is. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:14) It was |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:15) I told Chris to save his money... ;-) |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:15) NSI never did own .com |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:15) then it was probably never granted. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:15) Lets not get sidetracked. The TM is not
necessary. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:15) BUT, billg, IOD CAN trademark "The .web Registry" |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:15) No more than NSI needs to TM the .com |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:15) .Com is a registered service mark of the US Department
of Commerce. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:15) YES ROGER |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:15) OK, back up - RFC1591 please read billg |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:15) BillG: in the US, NSI did OWN COM. Ask anyone
who had their domain name confiscated! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:15) NO IT IS NOT BILLG!!!!! |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:15) sortis, I dont know that it was never granted. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:15) billg what are your sources? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:16) As I understand it, it was revoked...which
implies that it was granted at one time. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:16) Where is Chris Ambler? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:16) every tm must be subjected to a lengthy
review process, first it must be published, and any opposition has
to be dealt with. often, trademarks take years to be registered. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:16) He could clarify some of this. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:16) billg, you seem to have a good grip on the issues,
but a misleading source of info. I would check your sources. |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:17) Lately, http://www.internic.net says that "InterNIC",
".Com", ".Net", and ".Org" are registered service marks of the US
Department of Commerce |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:17) chris left 45 minutes ago |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:17) sortis, whether they had the TM or not is
besides the point, really. They dont need it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:17) they could not retain exclusive registrar
privilege. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:17) Bob could clarify it, but we don't know for
sure who "bob" is, do we [hehehe] |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:17) in the current open market. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:18) NSI was bolstered. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:18) I'm Bob |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:18) ;) |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:18) What am I clarifying? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:18) Boy bob, i must look dumb right now, as long
as it took me to figure out who you are... |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:19) Gene: we're all trying to figure out how
not to .look stupid! |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:19) so what's stopping progression of all these
'other' TLD's through the open root server, if I may ask? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:19) clarification of "ownership" of .web and .com
as trademarks |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:19) I can't find bllg's claim on the InterNIC site |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:20) billg can you point out the exact place for me |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:20) some of us with mixed success (self) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:20) GEne: others with less! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:20) :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:20) i found nothing at the uspto on a .web
tm |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:21) figure out who bob is yet dennis? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:21) Not a clue! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:21) if there was an application, they would
have it listed as pending, expunged, etc... |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:22) Gene...mixed success as a registry? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:22) Sortis, there was something. I dont recall
the particulars. But IOD was not lying. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:23) billg - it says "InterNIC is a registered
service mark of the U.S. Department of Commerce. This site is being
hosted by Network Solutions, Inc. on behalf of the U.S. Department
of Commerce." No mention of a .COM trademark. |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:24) Read in the FAQ section. Last I checked, it stated
.COM was a trademark of the US Department of COmmerce. |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:24) billg, why do you come in here claiming IOD
is a fake? WHat is your agenda, for the record. I believe Chris Ambler
would be very interested to know about your claims being made in this
chat |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:25) billg, you remind me of so many people who
come in with thunder without substance. Define "fake." |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:25) Ray, are you asking about my registry? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:25) IOD is a sponsor of ICANN's conference.
ICANN would not allow a fake company to sponsor them. |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:25) yes...what is your registry? |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:25) There's nothing on the site that say otherwises |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:26) but ICANN did not post the IOD logo
as a sponsor. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:26) i find it intersting. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:26) Now the matter of just how strong their
claim is on .web....that is another matter. But "fake" is an unsubstantiated
word in this context. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:26) for 3 different companies: .home .sys .set .tel
.atm .global .ham .rnd |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:26) i'd like to know why. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:26) Bob, ownership of InterNIC.net is DoC in
whois |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:27) oh...that's you...cool |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:27) Just remember. If you use a damning label
like "fake".....kindly substantiate. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:27) I knew that... ;-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:27) VINT! |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:27) But it isn't a trademark |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:27) i bet you did, "Bob" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:28) but three are common law service marks :-) |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:28) Diebold ownes service mark for .atm |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:29) good lawyers there |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:29) Sorry folks, cyberspace's first election
is in fact the first global electronic election!!! |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:29) Sotiris, that is odd |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:29) Unregistered, not (R) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:29) it is odd. i'm curious about it. |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:29) Yes, just read about Diebold. Is there a
URL to register any of these? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:29) right |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:29) hello |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:29) i'm not a lynching party... just curious. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:29) Gene, how did you get that opinion for .atm? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:30) citation for .atm? |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:30) It seems that a day will come, when all will
have there names as TLD |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:30) it already is possible |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:30) Yes Dennis 8^) I'm glad to be part of it
!!! |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:30) domingo, how many rogers do you figure there
are. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:31) but not likely |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:31) Chris Ambler has NO right to own .web gTLD. A registry
is different from registrar. A Registry can only resell domains to
registrars at USD6/yr. Registrar may however resell domain to consumer
at any price they like. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:31) and who gets .roger? |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:31) may be a million |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:31) Hiya Domingo. Are you Baron? |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:31) I am registering .roger today. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:31) i love to have .Domingo |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:31) domingo http://simon.higgs/ - it's resolves
at ORSC |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:31) according to Diebold's attorneys and Ohio law,
one can establish "license" for the use of a common law service mark
by demonstrated first use |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:31) billg....curious you ignored everything
I said above. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:31) [not actually ownership, to get technical] |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:32) whats the status of .WEB |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:32) IOD can register .webs without claiming
ownership. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:32) domingo, the same as all others. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:32) Give me a break, Sextons phone number resolves at
ORSC |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:32) in discussion |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:32) Same ? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:32) all theoretical. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:33) "license" is equivalent to what? |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:33) well, they are charging money for pre-registering?,
is this legal |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:33) yes |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:33) IANA approved them and approved the fee |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:33) Pre-registering is ILLEGAL |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:33) billg, you are talking through your armpit. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:33) billg how do you figur that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:33) iana died with jpostel |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:33) he is blabbering |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:33) i remember the day iana created .nato - it was
in the roots for a few hours - or was it days |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:34) We have NO gurantee to get the domain you want when
you pre-register |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:34) that does not make it illegal. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:34) Sotiris makes a good point |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:34) I am amazed at how many people love or hate
Chris Ambler ...the man is a genius, and everyone has a strong opinion
about him and his pioneer registry...a very good sign that's he's
on the right track |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:34) Its ILLEGAL! Roger, I think you work for IOD |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:34) speculative things, things at risk are not
illegal. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:34) I dont work for them. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:34) You just cant create a logical argument
for yourself. |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:34) .nato does not exist |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:35) Dont point a finger at me because you have
weak argumentation skills. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:35) billg is using the wrong root servers |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:35) .nato once did - for a day |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:35) bllg is obviously in the monority here |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:35) YES BOB! |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:35) hi again |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:35) SROOT |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:35) someone flooded me |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:36) billg, seriously, bring something special
to this forum. Not baiting, labeling, libel, and unsubstantiated statements. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:36) The POC committee actually specifically
debated the pre-registrations for the CORE registry and allowed them |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:36) this is, afterall, going to be archived |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:36) hey it's Dr. Strangelove! |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:37) Simon, what do u mean, by aloowing them |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:37) It caused a flood of registrations by the
CORE registrars - this was before the ICANN process |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:37) And do me the kind favor of asking Chris
Ambler the questions you ask, and give him your throughts. And listen
to his responses. |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:37) you forgot that Registry and Registrar are TOTALLY
different |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:37) cambler@iodesign.com |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:38) I believe the CORE registrations were dependent
upon the passing of IAHC (if thats it), which DIDNT pass. |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:38) CORE Registry cannot resell domains to end-users/consumers
but only to ICANN accredited registrars |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:38) billg, you amaze me. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:38) They debated it and decided they couldn't
stop them, so they allowed them by not banning them. Everyone went
mad pre-registering after that. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:38) IOD caught them with their pants down
on the potty... |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:38) databases were opened for testing with real
registrations, authorized registrations--but provisional. At least
where IOD is concerned. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:38) CORE used to run a registry. They failed,
and later pitched ICANN as registrars |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:39) Even, I am giving out free domains on .free!! http://www.nic.free |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:39) they will never be granted .web registrar,
let alone registry status. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:39) i hate to say it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:39) but the prjudice is clear. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:39) Good for you billg |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:39) prejudice. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:39) Where is .free carried? What root servers? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:39) i'm truly pissed off by the snubbing,
though. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:40) Sortis, I tend not to say what is GOING
to happen. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:40) I find I am usually wrong. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:40) If I am, I will admit my mistake. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:40) Oh, I understand. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:40) however, ICANN's actions to date speak
volumes. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:40) I dont bite my tongue with predictions because
I hate admitting error. I bite my tongue because I find I am lousy
at predicting, and it becomes pointless |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:41) for me. |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:41) ns1.granitecanyon.com carries .free ;) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:41) i've seen the writing on the wall. |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:41) ns2.granitecanyon.com carries .free ;) |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:41) cyst.liquidchicken.org caries .free ;) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:41) yesterdays "confrontation" between
edyson and cambler was transparent. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:41) Well, I think we shall all soon see. |
| <reviewnow> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:41) i just checked http://www.nic.free did not get
a page |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:42) But sadly, ns1.granitecanyon.com is down |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:42) some one is playing with me |
| <reviewnow> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:42) that explains it |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:42) again i go |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:42) 1 for IOD |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:42) 2 for CORE |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:42) domingo, dont be silly |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:42) any poll here is meaningless. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:43) i keep on disconnecting |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:43) maybe someone at ICANN doesnt like you.
lol |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:43) but it atleast shows the trend |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:43) trend?? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:43) With 5 people? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:43) hardly |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:43) lol, |
| <reviewnow> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:44) question , we all know we should check trademarks
before we register names , but what stops a child under the age of
18 from registering a trademarked name |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:44) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:44) trademark DOES NOT IMPLY OWNERSHIP!!!! |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:44) what stops a child under 18 from shooting
someone? |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:44) is ENGLISH a trademark |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:44) defacto domain ownership is ludicrous! |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:44) Yes, English is a registered service mark of US Deparment
of Commerce |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:44) I think the latter is worse, and far more
difficult to fix |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:45) I can't dig .free at any of the servers billg gave
me |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:45) the US dept. of commerce owns the entire
english language... |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:45) sotiris...I thought it was transparent too
but dot web is pretty popular and if ICANN wants it in the game, I
think they will have to choose IOD |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:45) No soa records |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:45) granitecanyon times out |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:45) what about other TLDS |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:45) Ultimately, one person's or several people's
opinion of Ambler is besides the point. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:45) like SHOP, BANC |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:46) I dont think these people will be the ones
deciding. And if they are, they are going to, I believe, be looking
at far more than personal feelings about ambler. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:46) Granitecanyon uses the ICANN root, so it won't resolve
any non-ICANN TLDs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:46) no... they will create a pacifier gTLD
like .museum or .protest, maybe both (although they are ludicrous/absurd,
and I cannot see why ANYBODY would launch a campaign for their introduction...
it's a scam |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:47) but what will be will be... and if
i'm wrong i'll eat my foot. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:47) i like .museum. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:47) what about .SEX |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:47) it's not a matter of right or wrong. Just
pure speculation at this point |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:47) It makes sense, too |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:47) Foot kebab? |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:47) becky is getting her ass kissed by the board |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:48) is there more than one webcast going on
now? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:48) I mean, different meetings? |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:48) I wonder why? Becky has the root. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:48) worldwide swindle...Cleverly executed
to be sure. Of what value will .museum and .protest really be? Well,
they will serve to remind us that JUSTICE FOR ALL is an antiquated
notion and belongs with the rest of the exhibits in a museum, and
that whatever you say in protest is as valueless as it is meaningless.
At least they have a sense of humour! |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:49) I BET Becky has the root |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:49) lol |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:49) in her garage. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:49) why not a GTLD for every country |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:49) Than it is not a gTLD! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:49) What the hell did they just adopt? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:49) already exists |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:49) like .USA, .UK, .USSR |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:49) why not a TLD for every Man, Women, and Child
? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:49) It is a ccTLD |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:49) That's a ccTLD |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:49) The Thank you resolution |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:49) Domingo! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:49) for Becky |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:50) .co.uk already exists. |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:50) giggle giggle |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:50) .gb exists |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:50) oy oy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:50) .us.com is a clever gambit. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:50) .oy.vey |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:50) it's the brown noising resolution - well done |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:50) lets abolished all GTLDS, and start with new
|
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:50) .I was denied .com.us afew years ago |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:50) domingo, go get us coffee. |
| <NathanYe> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:50) lol Roger |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:51) Roger? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:51) I just cant bear it. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:51) Who runs the .vey TLD? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:51) ABOLISH all TLDs?!! |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:51) i never heard of .VEY |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:51) lol |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:51) yes, |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:51) Sure. You give all owners their money back. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:51) and start again |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:51) OY.VEY |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:51) that's oy.vet |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:51) vey |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:51) domingo, I will take my coffee with cream
and 2 sugars. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:52) Sorry judith |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:52) God Bless America !!! and the Global Community
!!! Peace , good health and hapiness to all. Amen. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:52) .Cream, can be a candidate |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:52) God Bless ICANN |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:52) Amen |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:52) God bless the SuperRoot Consortium |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:53) i'll pass on the request - consider the blessing
granted |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:53) i am sure that Internet will bring this world
to an end quicker |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:53) and that day i will apply for .GOD |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:53) The internet is overrated |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) Just a passing fad |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:54) .god is taken |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:54) sotiris@hermesnetwork.com if anybody
needs to get a hold of me. don't put me on any mailing lists please... |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) Domingo..... |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) Can I point something out..... |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) Bob..I will definetely be spending time
learning more about this |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) we're surely headed that way -- I can't
wait . . . |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:54) sure |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:54) http://www.superroot.org/ |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) This chatroom discussion is being archived
as a permanent record of these proceedings. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:54) Good luck ray |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) thanks |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) Please bear that in mind as you type. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:54) no problem. |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) Thenks for the webcast !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:54) Gracias |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:55) bye all |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:55) It's over? Good nite all. It's been
real. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:55) Thank you Ben & John |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:55) oh i will be careful with my spellings |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun,
July 16, 2000 at 01:55) till the next time. |
| <baptista> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:55) see ya all later |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:55) BEN & JOHN --KUDOS !!!!!!!!!!! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:55) are they going to webcast the next meeting? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:56) Ben? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:56) hey, NathanYe |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:56) where can i see the short notes of this ICANN
meeting |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:56) scribe notes |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:56) At whitehouse.com |
| <reviewnow> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:56) lol |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:56) bye guys, it's been a blast... |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:56) Roger? |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:56) The Soviet Union top-level-domain is .SU |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:56) funny roger |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:57) All the transcripts are at Whitehouse.com |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:57) now where is that archiving things goes |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:57) yes, all covered in CREAM |
| <LeahGallegos> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:57) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/broadcast.asp |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:57) Peace everyone -- Success, Success, Success
to Everyone -- See you all soon !!! |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:58) Hey, I am going to hack into A.Root-Servers.net now
that the web cast is over. |
| <NestorRequeno> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:58) Singning off . . . God Bless!!! |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:58) catch ya on the rebound |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:58) I am adding .WEB to the A root servers and .FUCK |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:58) billg, Hack into |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:58) Into what ? |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:58) ?? |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:59) Hey, I am going to hack into A.Root-Servers.net now
that the web cast is over. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 01:59) billg, you never heard a word I said. |
| <reviewnow> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:59) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/scribe-icann-071600.html |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 01:59) for what biilg |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 01:59) And I will add .WEB into the root |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:00) how can you add it billg |
| <reviewnow> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:00) buy everyone |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:00) you must be kidding |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:00) No, I am not. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:00) billg, do me a favour, |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:00) I am currently telneted into a.root-servers.net |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:00) Tell me what favour you want me to do ? Add a TLD
? |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:00) add .domingo and .Roger |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:01) Yes, I will but it takes at least 72 hours to propagate
throughout the net |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:01) I make NO gurantee that it will remain. NSI may delete
it. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:01) Horse doo, restart named |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:01) It will be instant |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:02) billg, use your skills for constructive.com
works |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:02) not there billg |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:02) i can see few website owners here |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:02) for example, WantedNow.com is here |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:02) Yup, I am. |
| <domingo> (Sun, July 16,
2000 at 02:02) may be he can share his experiences |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:03) I am looking through A.root-servers.com and wow there
a lots of interesting stuff. |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:03) not there billg |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:03) US Military secrets. Wow! I could sell these to Russia
:) |
| <Bob> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:03) I doubt that |
| <billg> (Sun, July 16, 2000
at 02:04) Russian government would surely like to breakup USA,
I am sure. |
| <johnthalacker> (Sun, July
16, 2000 at 02:04) Russia could not afford to buy. |
| |
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