Chat Log - ICANN Yokohama Public Forum, 7/15/00

Nickname - Message
<BenEdelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:30) Folks, the meeting will begin in a few minutes.
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) Hello?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) Hello
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) How long 'til it starts?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) greetings folks
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) the meeting is starting any minute now
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) 15 minutes or so.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:41) It usually starts a few minutes late
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:41) hale hale the gang's all here ...
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:41) Hey Judith!
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:41) here we go
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:42) Hi Judith
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:42) Bob, maybe you can ask Esther to speak up?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:42) (I'm sorry, I mean Ben)
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:43) :)
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:44) Working on the volume levels now. Thanks.
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:44) Let us know.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:44) Volume seems fine
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:45) Refresh your broadcast pages
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:45) to get the current meeting sections
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:45) as it helps us process comments in a timely manner
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:45) thanks
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:46) volume's a little better, thanks.
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:47) volume levels are as high as we can take them
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:47) without pushing into the red
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:49) Volume is fine
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:49) Thanks!
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:52) Greetings all
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:52) Evening.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:53) Just Listening
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:53) Me too, for now. :)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:54) Ben, are we losing volume?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) I have a good feed
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) I've seen a volume decrease
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) it's to do with ken moving to and from the mic
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) In and out, oh oh that's trademarked
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) not much we can do here
<charlesnesson> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:56) how about passing him a note asking him to please speak right into the mike
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:57) it's more that he's reading from his notes
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:57) and looking down while talking
<charlesnesson> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:57) how about lowering the mike
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) Do these people know what they are talking about?
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) Who is that?
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) how is video feed? ok? zoom in more?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) Why do the Scribe notes show up before he speaks?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) Video feed is excellent
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) zoom a bit more
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:00) audio lags in a way the IRC feed doesn't
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:00) The video feed is very good.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:00) perfect
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:00) Ben, where is the log of last night's real-time chat? I don't see it here: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) Is ist me or is this meeting more a less a repeat of everything we have read on the ICANN site
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) Who is this person? Is that Louis?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) This is an overview of the process
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) Seems that way to me too.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) Touton I believe
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:02) It is weird to put a face to a name finally
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:03) Our General Counsel is there. There are only about 200 people there.
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:03) chat is archved as "chat log" in archive page. i put it there.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:03) Judith, ../chatlog-071400.html
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:03) bottom of DNSO General Assembly, DNSO Names Council, and Government Advisory Committee Public Forum, July 14 section
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) Got it now, Ben, thanks much.
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) Can we submit questions here?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) use the submission form on the website
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) no, you must use the comment form on the main remote participation web page. this uses a database for better display to group, archiving online.
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) Thank you.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:06) is that the comment submission form link
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:07) comment submission is at the bottom of your broadcast page
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:08) Thank you
<BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:09) I'm confused. Is he summarizing the NC's resolution, public comments, or making staff recommendations.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:09) Sounds like staff recommendations based on the NC's resolutions.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:10) Hi Chris!
<BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:10) Chris, aren't you there?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:10) I am sitting in the meeting room right now. There's ethernet connectivity in here.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:10) First major argument. domain names are not indexes.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:11) Are you all listening to this?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:11) Yes. And trying to keep a straight face. Or not gag.
<BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:11) Yeah. I don't know what he's saying. Are these points for discussion or conclusions?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:11) These are conclusions.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:12) Good luck, Chris
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:12) The question I asked the names council yesterday was "answered" by Ken Stubbs. However, his answer was simply a reiteration of the names council report.
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:12) Where are you from, Christopher?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:12) There has yet to be an answer as to WHY they decided what they did, and HOW they can claim that WGC had no consensus, but that their report did.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:13) The names council, yesterday, just flat-out refused to answer my question.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:13) So what's new?
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) This is the best video stream that I have ever seen.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) Additionally, what you may not have seen in the realvideo feed, there was an inordinate amount of "sidebar" discussions, whispered, between names council members during the meeting
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) There's a call to answer the question in the substantive questions posted
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) This is where I start to get mad
<BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) Just let her talk, Louis
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) Especially when touchy issues were brought up.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:15) serve as an answer to you.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:16) I'm dying to see just what "substantive" means here.
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:17) Hi Chris...looking forward to some positve news about WrbTLD.com (& Dot WEb)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:17) Don't hold your breath, Ray :-)
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:17) .WEB resolves under ORSC & SuperRoot root
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:18) Your expression of interest was excellent...you raised great points...let's see if they get addressed
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:18) The majority of the comments were support for .web, but she will most likely not say so...
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:19) Bogus!
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:20) Just the facts Ma'am...
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:20) Uh uh
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) Chris when do you get to go up there and speak
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) Who, me? Why in the world would they give me time to speak?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) restricted domains will not remain so for long, IMHO. Too much money to be made
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) it was worth a shot
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) I read every one of those posts
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) So tonight's a rehash of what's on the website, and tomorrow they give us their decisions? Is that it? What's the point?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) Judith, did you expect otherwise?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) I have yet to learn anything new
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) I hear Sunday is the day they will announce EDT
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) what exactly will entail the decision
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) AMBIVILENCE?!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) There was outright opposition!
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) I think it's interesting to see how they analyzed the posts.
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) Rebecca's three slides are online
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) linkied off of today's agenda
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) This sounds more like a WIPO meeting.
<BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:23) Thanks, John
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:23) Lag ... Chris has about 15 seconds head start as he's there
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:24) With the discussion as it is it seems this could have been handled months ago and without this meeting
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:24) Or 5 years ago...
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:24) no kidding
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:24) MC, this is, in short, "for the record" as far as ICANN is concerned (in my opinion)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) But Chris, last night's financial review was a hoot. Great show.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) something that is not up there is that the vast majority of people wanted .WEB!
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) Is there a vote by each director and they pull names from a hat lol
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) Can't you interject
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) No, I cannot interject.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) (at least not and remain civil)
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) Like .ARPA has 3 characters
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) Just yell, Christopher.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) wow seems strange as this is supposedly our internet
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) No, thank you, Jeffrey.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) who's drumming his fingers?
<BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) Jeez, is there anyone on the Board under 45?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) well, there's always the Open Root Server Consortium
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) Chris, why don't you ask/speak remotely?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) Ray, it just may come to that
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) The UDRP may force the issue
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) Judith, have you heard a SINGLE remote comment except for "Jeff Williams's" yesterday?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) How come you are not present in this meeting Chris?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) Actually, no.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) I am, present, MC. I'm in the 7th row.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:28) Shes says some EOI don't seems serious
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:28) Dot Web is a no-brainer
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:28) Yes, some don't see serious.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:28) Interests don't seem serious because they don't adhere to forum format?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Chris, are *any* "pioneers" presenting?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Well, that was sooo informative
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Go Chris.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Judith, they WON'T LET anyone "present."
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) This is not a debate or a free process
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Pioneers are pretty much ignored, I have a question up which won't get read out
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Are they discussing the secondary market at all?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:30) Nor even a sharing of information, obviously.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:30) Jeff, that falls under all the trademark and IP protection they're talking about.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:30) no you shut them done by not let ting them get started
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:31) Yes, but is entry into the secondary market by primary registrars being discussed at all considering the recent events with Afternic?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:31) Why does it have to be done with so much care? If it doesn't work, it will just be 3 lines of text on the root
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:31) Chris, have you heard anything of what Jeff's asking?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:31) No, I've not.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:32) I just gave the scribe a copy of our position paper (and one for each member of the board, which Andrew said I could do)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:32) Jeff, there's your answer. My observation of ICAAN is that if they don't discuss it, it doesn't exist. Not a good sign.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:32) These others get to addresss the board
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:33) These others represent constituencies. IOD has been specifically denied entry into the registry constituency.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:33) That's Palage, eh?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:34) I don't even want to ask why, do you are agree with the the registry contituency
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:34) They said constituency heads only. Kent Crispin just got in line.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:34) Kent Crispin???
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:34) got it
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:35) What is the RRP protocol?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:35) NSI's registry-registrar protocol. FYI, Image Online Design now has our implementation of the RRP online.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:36) All this was in my paper in 1996, nothing new here
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:37) (reply to Kent's comments)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:38) If you have ccTLDs how can a GTLDs be a problem I don't get it
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:38) Rick Wesson is here, wearing very nice "pippi longstocking" braids.
<fghfhfgh> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:38) jason
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:39) Wouldn't it stand to reason that a registry would not be accepted if it were not technically able?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:40) getting in line...
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:40) Have the NSA do an audit. They provide a complete evaluation (for real).
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:40) Aww, we are poor and innocent. Does that mean we need to be "handled?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:40) Chris, what can you do during this meeting to let the "world" know about you
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:41) As agents for whom?
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:41) Geez.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:41) Who's this?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:42) just what we need
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:42) That's Jamie?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:42) not
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:42) Was that "agents" to me Judith?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) He's asking ICANN to do regulatory work?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) #$@$@
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) No, this guy who's laptop keeps folding on him.
<fghfhfgh> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) can they get to the point!?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) no doubt
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) who is this guy
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) Good for him!
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:44) Rick Wesson?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:44) and how did he get there
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:44) I don't care. He's making a good point for us
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:44) visa and mastercard
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) Can't hear Cerf - what he say?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) DNS is not a directory
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) DNS is not a directory service
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) Go Chris!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) okay, let's see how that went over...
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) GO chris.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) go Chris Ambler
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) Chris, well done.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) Bully pulpit!
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) Professional and concise good job
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) Bless you, Chris!
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) not bad Chris..they just need to give you another hour
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:47) Excellent Chris Ambler!..I'm listening and reading
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:47) or two
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) Who is that?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) roberts
<fghfhfgh> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) stop asking that
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) Mike Roberts. Sounds like an endorsement for .web ... should be, anyway.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) YES! Cerf is RIGHT ON!
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:49) Who's that?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:49) I someone getting Cerf's comments verbatim?
<fghfhfgh> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:49) no ,don't bother me
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:49) There will be realaudio archive, if that's what you mean?
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:50) I hope they (ICANN) realize that even those of us who are .com holders of viable businesses also DO want new gTLDs such as .web and others.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:50) I'm watching the video feed live but there's a 30-45 second lag
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:51) The scribe comments show up before the video
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) Oh Gawd ...
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) The archives are real video that we're archiving locally, so the archives will have no lag
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) other than that induced by your net connections ;-)
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) I'm in Los Angeles...
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) Lag...
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:53) Would you call Esther's comments a shot across the bow?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:53) Can't even hear her... who's this lady?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:54) She's wrong.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:54) Look like it - but what about the IANA disclaimer?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:54) Here goes Karl's comment.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:54) Of course many many TLDs will work
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:55) absolutely!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:55) I think the offending statement was on our http://webtld.com site, where we say we're optimistic that ICANN will approve us. I don't see anything fraudulent there... :-)
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:56) Bravo, as usual
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:56) They had better be careful. It could give YOU grounds for a suit, :)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:56) Karl's online? Lurking? Glad his statement at least got read into the record.
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:56) There's not Chris. You know who that was who brought up the reference and why he did. It was Inappropriate of him to bring it in the format he did. imho.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) But what does Touton think? That's your opinion.
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) Personally, I do not see anything fraudulent , Chris. It's very clear
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) No, I don't know who that was. Who was that?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) We'll stand behind you on that one.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) I mean it's Toutons opinion driving Esther's comment
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) They will have 14,000 angry people
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) What did Esther say - I missed it.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) 15,000 now :-)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:58) These 15000 are a vote of confidence why can't they see that
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:58) Teri, who was that who said that?
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:59) Esther - see scribe 10. "may disqualify themselves"
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:59) what is true them for fraud????
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:59) There is a firm in Japan who has the same interests as your .web. Was that not one of their Representatives. They have the .whatever.web.com thing going.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:59) Hooray!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:00) That's not Japan, that's Singapore. And are you guessing, or do you know?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:00) Chris, can't you find out who he represents?
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:00) Sorry. I typed Japan.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) He did not identify himself.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) Would Esther have expected .web to simply fold when ICANN was formed?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) Wong
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) Here is Esther's comment:
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) No one has been pre-approved. Their statements are untrue. They may well disqualify themselves
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) I saw it, Chris.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) She was speaking of an ICANN REGISTRAR, however.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:02) The bottom line is 15000 registrations put up there money , that in essemce is a vote!!! why don't they listen
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:02) Is Cerf's position essentially that the tm emphasis is unnecessary, or only that partitioned tld's is unnecessary?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:03) MC..ICANN want the registry portion of the new TLD to go out for bid with no restrictions. Verisign has set the price and ICAN want the $
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:05) Crocker is really good at saying nothing at all. A talent.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:06) Whos IS that guy?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:06) Who is she?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:06) Kent Crispin
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:06) Searching is an interesting topic. Maybe we should make public our business plan for "search.the.web"
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:07) Not unless you're nuts, Chris
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:07) archive.the.web - easier on the IP lawyers ;-p
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:07) shop.the.web
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:07) surf.the.web
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:08) we have a business plan for most of them.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:08) stop.the.web
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:08) ;)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:08) this guys is spot on. (commentor in purple shirt)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:09) the video seems to be almost a full minute behind.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:09) (as is to be expected)
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:10) that's the full 80k stream
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:10) the 20k stream is better
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:10) The real-time eyeball stream, although analog, is best :-)
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:10) distorts like crazy tho'
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:11) great points...but not until ICANN can figure out how to maximize their cut
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:11) My prediction: all of the points that Dori is making will be IGNORED by ICANN. Anyone want to bet?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:12) you go girl! (who is she?)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:12) is there always the dept of commerce?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:12) Oh, that's Kathy's replacement?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:12) Dori Kornfeld. She rocks.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:13) couldn't understand her, back to the lag...
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:13) Ben, the back up 20k feed is badly distorting
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) The 80k feed is fine
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) ICANN need Not ignore this Consensus of the Introduction of new gTLDs accordingly to a timetable to be completed by this year (2000)
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) She commented on the Internet democracy ..... draft. She's reading from that now.
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) dori's mic was too loud
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) I got our volume adjusted
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) Chris, throw a spitball at Esther ...
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) Now now, Judith...
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) Bull sh------!!!!!
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) It has almost completely ignored it!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) Cerf can really have it both ways ...
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) This is where I get ticked.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) (can't, that is)
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:16) WE got hijacked.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:17) gag
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:17) Escrow = Carnivore = Echelon
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:17) I'd like to see Palage describe the secret registrar meeting where he and Cochetti told the registrars to put up and shut up (re TM demands), and how they had Congress in their pocket ... where's his report on that?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:18) So, bring it up.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:18) It would have world wide implications this time.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:18) Bob, you're paranoid
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:18) Uh huh
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:19) the queue to talk is 10 people deep now.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:19) If you push them hard enough will they fall like dominos?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:19) Just kidding
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:19) IP Gestapo. Who is this guy?
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:20) is backup 20k feed any better now?
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:20) we bypassed our audio compressor today because it was causing a small hum, unfortunately.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:20) I have a 80k feed isn't that better
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:21) Did the scribe comments freeze?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:21) I think so
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:21) Back to draft Postel?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) I think we're going to put the compressor back in the mix at lunch
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) since we're getting fluctuating levels from different voices
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) plesae bear with us til then
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) big volume wow
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) ouch
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) and we'll try to keep the volume good
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) Mine are frozen--scribe notes
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:23) coming back now
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:23) To much talk not enough action for years now
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:24) I like this guy
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:24) Go Pu!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:24) I mean YangWoo :-)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:25) go Yangwoo he is on my christmas list lol
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:25) Me too!!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:25) Provided he's talking about IOD's web? :-)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) true
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) You can at GreatDomains.com
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) There is an EARTHQUAKE GOING ON RIGHT NOW
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) I noticed on GD you can't find the .web names anymore?
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) we just had a little earthquake here, folks. no joke.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) no way Earthuake
<kero> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) Welcome to Japan!
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) Really?
<SivertThrane> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) yeah.. he is shaking
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) I'd say about a 2.low, rolling
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) You're kidding!
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) well that might be what is needed to shake things up
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) nope, thank goodness it wasn't too big
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) should have had the meeting in Cleveland...no earthquakes here
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) The microphone queue is now about 12 deep
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) lost sound
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) pump up the volume
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) When .web names get approved, they will be sold through GD.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) There's an earthquate, Esther gets the applause. She is pure PR.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) you have some now JT i had sen before
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) i've just reinstalled the compressor. audio levels should be much more consistent now.
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) sorry for the couple hours of variance.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) Thanks Ben
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) hmmm. We may have deactivated them for now. I am not sure, sorry.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) Sound dip ... ?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) we're getting the levels reset with a compressor
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) Has anyone read the Fable of the Names?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) If the process is supposed to be consensus and from a layman perspective then .web has an overwhelming vote of confidence
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:30) which ought to take care of the sound level spikes
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:30) yes bob
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) A slow start, but not a single TLD.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) All of this talk , sounds like they are just launching the internet as if it never exsited before!!!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) I almost don't blame this guy, its like, things are working now and we're afraid you'll screw it up if you change it ...
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) This guy wanted to stop all TLDs yesterday
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) First come first serve...how hard is this?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:32) There's a motion that was strongly debated yesterday at the end of the day
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:32) go Bob I missed yesterday
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:32) Check the archive archive
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:33) the motion was not strongly debated - Ken Stubbs tried to declare the motion itself out of order and did not allow a vote!
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:33) Pardon me what Motion?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:33) I'm trying to find it
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:34) the speaker after Heltzer should be interesting to some of you.
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:34) Esther, you're not solving anything really
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:34)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) no Sunrise!
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) I can't paste into here. Dang! It's in the Names Council scribe notes from yesterday
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) cool
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) bob, you can paste the link in
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) go IOD
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:36) go Mr Walter
<SivertThrane> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:36) you can paste as well.. just use ctrl+v
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:36) John, it's not working - gotta love RedHat/Communicator
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:37) what archive is it in?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:37) yesterdays scribe?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:37) which meeting?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:37) It is in yesterday's scribe, near the end. Names Council Board Meeting.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) who? I'll paste it in here
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) Schneider: Motion: NC requests the Board not to take any action about the process of how to introduce new gTLDs before the NC has provided a further statement.
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) Exactly which country gets to define what Free Speech means?
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) Windows is finall good for something!
<MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) Why is Ms Chairperson repeating again UDRP takes care of free speech?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) I never had a problem with Whois
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) The motion was modified:
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) Schneider: Clarify that NC should be involved in evaluating what the ICANN Board has suggested and making substantial recommendations. Otherwise, we are encouraging
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) ok. go to <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive> and go to the names council scribe notes at the very end
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) constituencies and the GA to bypass the Names Council and appeal directly to the Board.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) Make sure you read the end, where the names council sat silent at my question (which STILL has not been answered)
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/scribe-nc-071400.html
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) how is the sound out there?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) barring the lag?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) spotty
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) John, I can hear fine :-)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) was that what I noticed at the end of yesterday's archive
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) Ambler: Disappointed by NC?s disregard of WG-C consensus. WG-C?s specification of 6-10 new gTLDs reflected lengthy negotiations. Why recommend a smaller number of new gTLDs?
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) sound is good
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) Great sound here
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) Great here, too.
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) great sound here
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) sound good here
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) what a waste of everyones time if they don't follow WG-C
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) volume is loud
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) no no
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) stop back it down
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) Too loud now.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) don't touch any more buttons lol
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) Anyone want to pose the question now to ICANN as to Adopting WG-C recommendations now. :-)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) As per Esther's comment, we're going to move the registry to outer Siberia now :-) (just kidding)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) why have WG-C if it won't be allowed?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) major sound troubles today!
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) Did you hear about the tonsil case, Judith?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) but I think we're okay
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) now.
<MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) ICANN just approved a couple of registrars in India....
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) Please use the chat to tell me if you're having difficulties
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) Sound is now way too loud and somewhat garbled because of gain
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) OOOoohhhhhh, WIPO!
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) Better now
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) wipo coming up Chris?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) yep
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) You mean SWIPO?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) Yes, Jeff. What's your take on it?
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) major ones -- sound is out; video is static--in all channels.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) what about reverse hijacking?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) nestore, close your windows and relog.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) Is it whip-o or wipe-o?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) WHIP U
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) sure
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) I didn't get all the details. I think it WAS reverse hijacking.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) Ben, you got my email?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) Wipo make toilet paper, don't they?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) why is the Scribe so slow now?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) lol Jeff
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) That is a generic term. It's wrong that they were able to get that one throught the WIPO. What a joke.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) UDRP has Flaws
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) I have a copy of the decision, only gave it a brief read thru.
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) judith, all comments need to go through the system
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) Can you send that, Judith.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) online comment coming up from Ray Fassett.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) idn't he go over his time yet?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) FLAWS?????
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) the facts about the tonsil.com case through wipo.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) I thought I did it right ... what's the URL?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) tonsil.com?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) judith, it's on the broadcast.asp page from which you accessed this chat
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) at the bottom
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) getting in line
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) go Chris push the envelope
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub&classification=New+TLDs
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:47) the person defending the complaining firm was a neutral of wipo. and this person representing the complaining party came from the same university and are in the same associations as the arbitrators
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:47) there was also evidence that was withheld from the defendent.
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:48) I still don't buy it...but atleast it's on record
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:49) smart, Ray
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:49) how is sound now?
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:49) be sure to say which feed you're using.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) good sound, don't touch anything lol
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) MC, *which feed*?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) 8ok is that xcorrect
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) 80k
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) Great here at 34.0
<j> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:51) Edelman, sounds good on primary feed
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:51) Oh..Primary here
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:51) how do you know primary?
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) Look at the audience. They are sleeping. :-)
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) I'm on the Dual Pane Real Video & Scribe
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) me too
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) me three
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) Doing Great!!
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:55) So why don't they do that?
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:55) alot of people sleep at ICANN meetings - tradition
<SivertThrane> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:56) i wonder why :)
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:57) What is he getting at?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:57) trying to make sure everyone is asleep
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:58) it's boring - thats why ;-)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:58) UDRP written into the *constitution* of any new tld?!
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:58) ha! Yikes.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:59) Yeah, more work for the boys
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:59) Who said that???? I went to get a Pepsi (TM) :)
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:59) no way is dot.god writing any UDRP into our legals
<MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:00) loser in UDRP should pay...???
<MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:00) people will have to give in at a complaint without defense...
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:00) it seems inorder to be a registry you will forced to accept the current UDRP?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:00) Oh my gawd!
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) we won't - dot.god is interested in running a stable registry - not a UDRP filing center
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) Esther looks bored, tired of all the peasants
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) the UDRP has served to destabilize the internet
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) Put that in a comment, baptista.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) I agree where is fairness and justice
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:02) There is none, MC
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:02) She's been looking down her nose at all the non-caucasions
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:02) If IOD has 15000 registrations shouldn't ICANN take that as a vote of confidence in IOD and .web as the choice of the people?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:03) go C Ambler
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:03) dot.god had 8,000 domains registered and 1,200 individual domain holders in three days - how shall we interpret that?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:03) Please answer the question ICANN
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) Dot god?
<MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) God is almighty and free?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) isn't ICANN .god?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) Jeffrey, meet Joe Baptista. aka .god.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) Problems: Dave Crocker & kent Crispin
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) what's the URL to register dot god?
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) Nice to meet you. I am from GreatDomains.com
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) there is a www.icann.god - it resolves
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) I don't feel that I received an answer. Does anyone here feel that Amadeu's response was an answer?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) It's funny they cut off some and not others?
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) you can't register now - were froozen in beta test
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) no answer keep plugging away'
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) but the address is www.dot.god
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) thanks baptista
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) No!!!!!..I was Extremely Disappointed in ICANN' s response
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) hi Jeffrey - nice to meeet you - and lovely to see you here Judith
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) feed is breakign up
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) Nice to see you too, Joe. :-)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) They love you Chis lol
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) oops breaking up
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) This is the FIRST time a question has been asked, at this meeting, in any language other than Engligh.
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) i don't want to bother with making comments - to icann is like a psycho experiment - you remember the dogs and the bell - experimenter would ring bell - give dog food - dog salivated - i'm asking my user to apply directly to icann - i can't get into the psycho experimentation.
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) Stick to your guns, Chris.
<JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) Pavlov.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) I thought Esther looked familiar. (sorry, couldn't resist.)
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) Chris Amler is good - it's a shame what icann has done to him by ignoring him.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) They must acknowledge 15000 registrations as the voice of the people
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) Hi Kristy.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) Hey Kristy
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) Hello, sorry I'm late ;)
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) they won't - i'm convencied we'll see another swan song this year on tlds - have they announced any new ones - i bet no is the answer
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) Does the ICANN board read these in realtime any thoughts?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) So far, you've missed exactly nothing
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) hi kristy
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) except Chris making some good points that will be ignored
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) ooooo, i'm sorry and relieved all in one moment
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) no scribe tonight???
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) scribe is going on
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) No, the board is NOT reading these comments.
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) and the board doesn't read the chat
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) this is an unofficial way for online participants
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) to communicate
<olliheinemann> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) how many gTLDs we will have in 20 years ?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) So this guy wants a tm screen.
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) but we do archive the chat logs
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) in 20 years...infinite
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) with the rest of the materials from the meetings
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) Thanks
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) you people shoudl really let the chat scroll on a public screen somewhere - the one above and behind the board would be good. Then the board would really be accountable.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:12) They did that yesterday, but it was MUCH too small to read.
<olliheinemann> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:12) hmm, i want them now and cheap
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:12) one would lead to the other
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:12) I don't feel represented by ICANN
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) A FORMAL request that ICANN reads these comments periodically as they are given--in REAL Time
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) Shoot, they don't represent users either. I'm losing patience with this...
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) Fokler is making some nice comments.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) They represent TM holders and corporations
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) whatever sounds good at the time (Clinton administration)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) voice of reason had cool comments
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) Hey,..I'm VOR--Voice of Reason!!....Cool
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) right on
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) who was just speaking
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) I didn't expect that!!!!
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) Teri you were strong
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) That was Ken Fokler. A rare "good guy" in all of this
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) i will write that down
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) barely back
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) Chris, who is Ken (ie, what's he do etc.?)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:15) okay, break time. I have to... um... use the facilities in a bad way :-)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:15) Hi Diane. Nice to see you.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:16) Not a big crowd there, is there.
<DianeCabell> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:17) Hello, Judith. I'm still trying to access the scribe's notes. I
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:17) took me a minute; but I've got them now.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:18) actions speak louder than words ICANN
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:18) Hi DIane: Loved your syllabus on the UDRP!
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:18) sound still OK?
<DianeCabell> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:18) Thank you so much. Lots more to do. Send me your suggestions, please!
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) michael is right - the real work of icann is done by the community - the board is only there to ignor it
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) Anyone know how I can e-mail Ken Fokler before tomorrow?..
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) The GAO paper just endorses them even more unfortunetly
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) MC - almost no attenuation ...
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) I was thinking the same thing Teri
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:20) no, there is no authority for the root, or transfering it to ICANN
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:20) I really need to get a message to him..
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:20) in the report
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:20) Dept of Commerce still controls the Root!
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) Looks like it will be fought over between State and Commerce
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) How did you do that?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) MC, right now I'm glad it does.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) State is international
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) Yep
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:22) This is just a reiteration of the ICANN acceptance of the GAO report. Yuck
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:22) WHAT CONSENSUS?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) dog and pony show
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) darn...no wherewithall
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) John, I submitted a question. Am I too late?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) All they care about is money
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) Is there a rep. from the Dept of Commerce at these meetings
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) paying their travel expenses
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:24) dennis, I don't know if they're going to take comment on the reports
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:24) but all the comments get kept in the archive
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:24) good question
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:24) John -- I kinda thougt....
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:25) is Egypt listed as a receivable?
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:25) so they havn't been audited -- shameful to speculate - about 4....
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:26) How much does Mike get monthly?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:26) (wasn't it like $18,000 or something like that?)
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) That's to a private consulting company that places him with ICANN
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) did anyone figure out which icann officer's corp got that quarter-mill mentioned in the lat note of the most recent audit?
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) about, and it didn't include his business expenses
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) That also shares his address
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) I guess so
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) Roberts gets it
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) 18000 a month is darn good money
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) interesting to see that they want to extend the loans; the disclosure statement on the ICANNsite mentions that they've executed one-year unsecured loans but doesn't say on what date they were executed.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) I had lunch with Jon Postel just before he died
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) and
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) nothing like having a working capital reserve (for a non-profit)
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) he was looking for a CEO who was retired or didn't need a salary
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) Mike is hired out to icann via a private consulting company he personally owns. let's not try to make a tax dodge into anything of substance
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) or at leats would work for under $50k
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) is it established fact that the unspecified consulatncy is roberts's?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) I don't understand how this could ever be fair when no one I am aware of voted for these people
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) Jon's vision was for a caretaker to look after ICANN
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:30) Nope, they seated themselves after Jon died.
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:30) not according to the GAO. <cough>
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:30) Napolean said Realpower is assumed
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:30) So ICANN hired local accountants, and then outside accountants to audit the reports of the local accountants ... didn't Roberts just say they have no money? How're they hiring all these people?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) there's always the Open Root Server Consortium
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) not what they have now
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) Didn't the GAO describe how they took their seats? Maybe it was another report I read.
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) by not paying JDRP. i.e., by hiring their lawyers when the bills get too big.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) This is all coordinated BS, they know already what they are going to do
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) you are correct, MC
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) (yesterday someone on the board asked if they couldn't outsource their financial management - that being the preparing and mailing of 21 invoices.)
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) who's this old goat who's talking about accounting - anyone know here name?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) I thougt it was clear from the GAO report that they grabbed the opportunity to fill the void when Postel died
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Scribe says Linda Wilson.
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Baptista, a friendly reminder that "this old goat" is not an appropriate way to refer to anyone, ICANN board member, audience member, or fellow remote participant.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Bob, that's what I thought it said. Thanks
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Please adjust your word choice accordingly.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Ray with the Open Server if we culd just get Microsoft to put it in there software we wouldn't need ICANN or the A root thoughts?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Oh, yeah, can you see Esther stuffing envelopes?
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) the claim that they don't have adequate resources to do X, Y, or Z is typical. when i asked dyson why they hand't psoted the SBA letter from LA, she said they didn't have a webmaster.
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:33) Look - stop playing gramar with me - who is she?
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:33) MC...that day is coming (can not be stopped)
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:33) MC, forget it. Use Linux. Do you want to support a TM monopoly?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) This is interesting ...
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) really I am not that technically savvy but that was the first thought I had to make it work
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) Got half my question in thanks to Peter D-T!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) Good question!
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) wasn't the root supposed to be transferred on 30 sept? if so, the GAO report was a royal punt.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) I'm using RedHat/ Communicator - discovered in this chat room I can't cut & paste into the Java applet chat window
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) and that failure to reach a conclusion on that point was a resounding non-endorsement, imo.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) don't give the root to ICANN please no
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) Use the SuperRoot
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) hm, 'whatever ownership means.'
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) http://www.dns-root.org/
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) Oh gawd, he's doing the Clinton "how do you define sex" thing ...
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) Do not give control of the A ROOT server to ICANN they wuld just consoliddate there power
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:36) Chris, is anyone there from DoC?
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:36) Oh, Becky's here.
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:36) The Department of Commerce IS THE BIGGGGG PLAYER HERE !!!!!!!!
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:36) how is Becky?
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) this is really serious, what burr's saying.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) Is Becky telling the truth? there's no question that about transfer of operation of the root?
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) How about the IP contained therein, Becky? Does DOC own that?
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) no - not the ip - that's a real headach
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) Chris,
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) yes, they can, but not the ownership
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:38) That's not what the GAO report sys
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:38) oh god no
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:38) operational *management*.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:38) Is Abril a member of the dept of commerce?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) mc, no
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) "operational management" - like outsourcing?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) red tape city
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) judith, yeah.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) Did she just not confirm Thrush' original question?
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) They want a guarantee for reliability & robustness & I assume consnsus for entry
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:40) We need to get the word out to .web supporters that they need to contact Burr and let her know that if IOD's .web isn't admitted, it's a clear sign that ICANN doesn't care about experience and stability...
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:41) "Disqualify"
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:41) not to mention the fact that 15000 registrations represent a vote
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) Or the US registrations represent many votes
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) Trying to wrap brain around root question - Burr said its unclear if DOC has the authority, but then DOC will make that decision? Is that it?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) Chris can you send all .web holders a email with her info
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) christopher - have you contacted your registrants and encouraged them to join the various parts of icann - quite a force there
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) The lawyers are on it in DC. They don't know right now.
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) Judith: that is what I heard.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) I'm gettin a "404
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) .Joe, yes we have
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) on the slide
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) excellent
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) no wonder their closing out the icann@large - now that's a joke itself
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) Which says to me that the query was accurate - ICANN's a bad bet. no?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) Leah, me too.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) So much for robustness
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) But, that only goes so far. We need to find a way to get a BROADER amount of people involved supporting ALL pioneer registries.
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) I agree
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) I agree, we carry .WEB in the SuperRoot
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) And .GOD.. ;-)
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) We need to have the zone file adopted by ICANN
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) How do we do that?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) Chris, submit a blurb to me so I can post in on TLLobby
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) yes - and god loves you and blesses you for it - i got a memo to that effect,. bless you
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) Can you resend an email to all registrants again?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) What is this guy talking about? I can't open his URL .,..
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) Well, there have been a lot of people who contacted ICANN in support of .web, but I would personally like to see a couple orders of magnitude more make the argument of experience, pioneer preference, and first use. Leah, I'd rather you say something in your own words. I never want to put words in anyone's mouth.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) Actually, there is consensus in the ORSC & SuperRoot Consortium root zones
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) the a-root, Judity
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) The page cannot be found
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) oops Judith
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) This link is a 404 error as well and the next
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) How the zones are set up
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) Interesting, as well, that the vast support for .web in the public comments forum were IGNORED in the report given today.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:46) Yeah, I noticed that
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:46) Remember, kids, the ICANN support staff are reading this, and seem to be fixing the URL even now.
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:46) the correct URL to Murai's presentation has now been posted to scribe's notes.
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:46) yes, the last link works
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:47) Ben, is this chat being archived as well?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:47) looks like the UN there
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:48) i thank all of your comments on glitches -- it 's helpful so that I don't adjust my controls . . .
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:48) Thanks Ben
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) yes, chat is archived. you'll see yesterday's chat is posted in the archive. today's will be done the same way.
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) it sure does
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) Root server operators are free agents right now. Wonder if any of them would take a $1 million contract to list .web in their computer (which is their and under nobody else's control)... interesting thought.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) (merely idle speculation)
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) Ask Vixie
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) what is the point here with this speaker?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) im a bit lost sorry
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) Chris, I wonder what would/will happen if the root server operators decide they don't like ICANN?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) Now that's a good question for stability of the internet.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) lol
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) You can't buy the DoD servers
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:51) Ken Stubbs is coming up.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:51) The TM people will probably threaten them too.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:51) Bets that he still doesn't answer the question?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:51) Everyone is assuming (and you know what that means) that all the root server operators will continually agree to cooperate with ICANN once it is set free from the USG.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:52) stubbs??????
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:52) Nestor: he wants ICANN to take over the worlds root servers.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:52) Ken decides that he's not ready to talk and wants to gather his thoughts. I will refrain from speculation :-)
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:52) That is an interesting point LG
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:53) thanks for the translation . . . (it was all mumblings at this end . . .)
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:53) Is there not the possibility that they will tire of being dictated to by the IP sector and a private corporation?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) what in general is thi about?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) If so, would that not pave the way for the OPEN RSC and others to converge and become viable?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) murai and aso presentations are linked off the agenda now
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) What did he just say?
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) Too much animosity against the ORSC
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) this is bad :-( (it's undecipherable . . .)
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) No the ORSC should be the one
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) Im running out of windows for all these things lol
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) The ORSC have worked with the net community
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) for a long time and got the consensus ICANN haven't
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:56) got - all they have is TM disputes
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:56) Good point
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:56) Pretty astute observation, Bob.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:57) The root zone file that ORSC/SuperRoot distribute should be adopted by ICANN
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) I was using Open RSC as an example. There are a few that are viable and as a consortium or simple agreements to carry all of them, the entire thing could challenge the a-root.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) Solves so many problems about who, how, when & why to introduce TLDs
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) It's already been done!
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) Can we sell class C's like domains are sold?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) I agree that ICANN should include them, but not adopt.
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) I don't understand the difference
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) If they adopt, then all would fall under ICANn policies. That is not the goal, is it?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) Depends on how they are implemented
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) brb
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) Surely the ORSC would have that ball still?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) Just inside ICANN
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) If they simply carry the roots as the alternates do now, they could be implemented like they do the ccTLDs, where each has its own autonomy and policies
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:00) Exactly
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:00) they do not have to use UDRP, for instance, nor do they have to conform to the registrars agreements. Get it?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:00) How do we make a motion for ICANN to do this?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:01) domain name holders could make their choices to risk or not to risk based on each registry's conditions
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:01) Beats me, Bob
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) Bob, you can submit a public comment as such, for what good it'll do
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) There would also be an aggregation where registries work with current registrars
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) IPVesion6 - explanation please?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) I could do that, but it's not a motion before the board
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) It'
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) I would think that as long as the root server system has proven its reliability there should be no prohibition to its inclusion
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) i wish Arano had used one of those translators. i say that with humility. maybe it's just because i speak and listen like a Texan
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) IMPORTANT COMMENTS FROM BURR
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) she is the one to write yes
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) can you raise the volume?
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) Who is to the right of Esther on the panel?
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:04) my volume's fine. it's the accent.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:04) IP version 6 has to do with the allocation of IP address blocks
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) Mike roberts is smiling and nodding at everything Burr is saying.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) volume video good
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) Like he will do anything else
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) Bite the hand Mike!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) I can't hear her ... ok well
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) oh well
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:06) Esther dismissed Burr before anyone could ask her a question
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:06) What did you expect?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:06) all these committes jeeeesh
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:06) I like the scribes interpretation of what Becky said
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) Reads really well
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) Ben, has the volume gone down?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) volume is fine
<DenaWhitebirch> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) The volume went down here too...I was able to turn it up locally
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) yep, fine here too.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) k, Judith, we have an answer here.
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) It has fluctuated in spots, I noticed.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) extension will be very limited
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) Did Burr imply an indefinite extension to the MoU?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) Dennis, just the opposite, I think
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) That's unfortunate
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:09) This is truly an amazing process. I am reading the scribe, participating in a chat, and watching the webcast. I am no newbie, but its really interesting.
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:09) What is Burr's position at the DoC?
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:09) ditto Roger.
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:10) roger, thanks...
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:10) Roger, it's fun, in a boring sort of way :)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) GAC advises ccTLDs to pay the ICANN bills
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) better then tv
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) It's a small, small world...
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) I want my .Web
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) leah, lol
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) Trademark that Chris
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) What would have happened if the ICANN tasks were run commercially by competitive freemarket companies? Is that feasible?
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) ICANN should come up with a formalized budget before they attempt this.
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:12) Judith, yes it is feasable.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:12) Define freemarket, Judith
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:12) No, define TASKS, Judith
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:12) gac is trying to force the cctld's to pay icanns bills - entertaining
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:12) Chris, if you are truly Chris Ambler, how is it that you are at the conference AND in this chatroom. I know it is feasible, but lord....why are you dividing your attention?
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:12) If you are indeed Chris Ambler.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:12) He is there trust me
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) It's Chris
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) I am, indeed, and I'm good :-)
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) Ambler, your comments/observations are cool--since those of us not physically there can only see one person at a time--whichever person the camera is on.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) Clearly, "customers" of ICANN's services don't like the company. (Chris, you know better than I.) Maybe they'd prefer another management company, like my co-op board can hire and fire management companies ...
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) lol
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) I don't think they should pay until they have comprehensive agreements which spell out exactly what they are getting for the money
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) Well, congratulations.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) GAC just totally passed on the new TLD issue
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) What did it say?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:13) you'll hear it after the delay :-)
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:14) Chris, I am pleased you took them to task about ignoring your question yesterday.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:14) why are they talking of ccTLD's as this is supposed to be about new Tlds
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:14) The GAC advises ICANN not to enter into contracts with any ccTLD registries until they have received the relevant communication, as referred to in part C of this Communique, from the relevant government or public authority.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:14) "That this is a very important area and the GAC wishes to consider it further
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:14) I kinda suspected you would.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:14) This is supposed to be about ICANN in general.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:14) that's from the comminque
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:14) that's almost a ten minute delay
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:15) did the Scribe stop?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:15) he's reading the presentation, which is online
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:16) so it's not scribed.
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:16) check the agenda for today
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:16) and refresh if you don't see it.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:16) It's on the web - follow the link to Communique
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:16) on the scribe window
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:16) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/GACmtg6_communique.html
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:17) So its a chicken and egg deal: no contract no money, but no (c), no contract
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:17) this is really interesting. it implies the possibility that failure to comply to GAC/ICANN could result in revocation of a ccTLD delegation.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:17) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/GACmtg6_communique.html
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:17) summary. GAC: we represent governments, and we're in charge when it comes to ccTLDs. Boo.
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:18) exactly.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:18) Thereafter, the GAC encourages that any future contracts between ICANN and ccTLD administrators should reflect the administrators commitment to be bound by the GAC Principles (as they are implemented by the relevant government or public authority) and minimize the liability of ICANN for implementing a redelegation according to these principles.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:18) New world order, eh?
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:18) now she encourages comments/questions.
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:18) dyson, i mean
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:18) Why is Vint wearing headphones?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) Listening to Napster?
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) translations? rap?
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) and considering that the ccTLDs represent the most potent threat to ICANN's 'global' legitimacy, this could be a real roundhouse punch.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) Vint has a hearing problem, as I understand, and the headphones provide amplified sound
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) Leah: sorry for the lag. Is it conceivalbe DOC could recompete this contract, given what Burr just said?
<Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) OK, makes sense
<RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) napster? try rock-n-roll.net (had to put that in)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) Shoot, pass me some headphones too!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:19) Dennis, no. That would be starting over from square one all over again.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:20) Dennis, who knows? the DOC has passed the buck on oversight so completely it's hard to determine what they'll do.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:20) The recompete won't happen unless a protest is filed at the end of the current contract.
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:20) Christopher: wasn't Becky's wording odd. "Extending only the uncompleted tasks?" Or is this just my hang-up?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:21) Icann wants to control the new world order?
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:21) This is a sole-source contract
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:21) Anyone for raising some money and filing a comlaint?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:21) I have no idea what she meant by that, but Esther shuffled her off before anyone (even board members) could ask questions
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:21) I'll join the effort
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:21) what happens when Iann's contract expires on Sept, 30,2000?
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:21) as if esther wanted becky to be ambiguous.
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:21) It gets extended, unless a protest is filed
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:22) MC, it's not going to expire in Sept. It's going to be extended for a while
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:22) I figured that
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:22) considering the GAO report , it seems extension is a given
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:22) so is this distinction a charde? it's pretty amazing.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:22) That's not a bad thing, MC
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:22) I think they filed for an extension on the 7th.
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:22) charade?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:23) I wish I could hear him.
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:23) yeah--my trained monkey was misbhaving.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:23) Basically ccTlds don't want to be controlled by ICANN am I correct?
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:23) I say We run for the positions......Can we not vote for who we want seated? I say a petition with enough signatures would do it maybe...who wants to run for the seats?
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:23) Chris, did I hear Becky state that ICANN can not police the entire internet, and is not to be responsible for "preregistrations" that are going on, and can't be bound by them? (That was the jist of what she was saying.) She didnt specify IOD, but in your opinion, WAS she referring to IOD, and if so--what do you make of her comments?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:23) Teri, consider the liabilties
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:24) No, ccTLDs want to run themselves. They'll deal with ICANN. GAC, on the other hand, wants to be in charge and have governments be in charge of their own ccTLD. That's my personal opinion.
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:24) dyson's quite good at changing the subject
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:24) This is going back a couple of hours.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:24) Roger, I didn't hear that. When did she say that?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:24) I missed that to
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:25) She was replying to someone who talked about some company taking...I believe they used the word PREREGISTRATIONS
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:25) Chris, she said that around the time Wong made his complaint
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:25) does anyone have any info on paul twomeys demotion
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:25) That wasn't Becky, that was Esther.
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:25) I know someone else who was watching the webcast at that time, and they also werent sure what she implied
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:25) but thought it might be as it relates to IOD.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:25) Chris, look at the scribe's notes around number 10.
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:25) Liabilities? I don't like liabilities. just sit and watch then. :-)
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:26) chris, the scribe seems to be running ahead of the chitchat. are you SURE this isn't an artifact of RealFnord?
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:26) Ahh sorry...Esther.
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:26) so twomey's reputation sinks or swims with icann - special ambassador to the lunatic bin
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:26) twomey has been seriously demoted
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:26) There's a lag getting the video - chat is instant
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) twomey's demotion = promotion for ICANN.
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) video is buffered
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) Leah is referring to the comment about fraud and they might disqualify themselves
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) Right, I see that. It appears to relate to ICANN registrars who are already selling new domains. My interpretation, at least. I can't see any reason that ICANN can take exception to what we do, and if they do, it would violate a number of their bylaws. That's all I am prepared to say on that, since this list is archived.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) who was the shifty eyed guy with the glasses?
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) mclaughlin
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) I think the insinuation is the pioneers
<Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) Smart move Chris
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) I agree they should have no say what a company does as it doesn't relate to them in this matter
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:27) nausea
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:28) Who's staying up for the later meeting - after "lunch?
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:28) go, jamie!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:28) lunch shortly, so I'm going to shut down. see you guys later
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:28) judith - your gonna cause little old Ben edleman a hemorage talking about "shifty eyed peopl" - if i can't call someone an old bag - who knows what crime you've committed - ben - response???
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:29) What part of these meeting specifically deal with new gTLD's?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:29) I think the GAC wants to be the next ICANN ...
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:29) Ben, are you closing down chat during lunch?
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:30) alternative: GAC wants ICANN to receive operational management of the root but GAC wants ultimate policy responsibility of the root.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:30) ie, GAC is the new world order, to which all the countries report ...
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:30) power struggle!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:30) that's what I see
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:30) ohh good - competition!!!
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:30) We have lots of work to do
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:31) gac is a floundering collection of misguided bureacrats
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:31) ie, GAC = government
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:31) (sad but true)
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:31) yes and no
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:31) The bottom linethe DOC controls the root!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) the policy of the root, or the operation of the root?
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) it's a shift not in 'government' but in *governance*
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) how long is this lunch break?
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) 2pm? so how far away is that?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) What's that in new york city time?
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) 90 minute break
<tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) (here comes the peppy music)
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) austin time?
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) is there any webcast after lunch
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) 1130 currently in NY
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) starts at 1AM EST
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) thanks John
<SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) Thanks John
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) Judith, 13 hours, I think
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) 10 pST
<JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) matthew, just head to sixth st. for a couple of hours
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:32) Well, I may make it and I may not ...
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) Hang in there Judith
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) I won't , I'm aleady yawning.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) aw, come on Judith.
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) 20 hours, PST
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) lol, john
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) we should vote for Judith as a director
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) shoot, let me see if I can get ICB out -- late! --
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) anyone want to join me on 6th street?
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:33) okay, but come back
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) MC, no way, I'm a lousy team player, and a worse administrator
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) MC, I already suggested that.
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) tALK TO YOU ALL LATER
<MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) bbl
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) Are you sure, Judith?
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) it can't be orse than what we have now lol
<MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) worse
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) Leah, you have my full support - you are the man (seriously speaking)
<DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) Good night all ... fading fast.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:34) I don't have the qualifications or the income to allow it
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:35) Yeah, are you kidding Judith: you are an Innovator, a creator.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:35) Thanks, Kristy.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:35) That's what I told her
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:35) Kristy, innovation and creation are at total odds with administration, at least in my life - creation is chaotic, trust me!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:35) I'm off to do ICB, will be around for at least a while.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:36) I'll bet, given the challenge, you'd manage it nicely.
<KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:36) OHh, I know all about it ;) Good night Judith, joe, leah, etc.
<NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:36) I'll be BaCk . . .
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:36) I'm gonna get a bite to eat and will be back for the next session.
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:36) Judith, you have to keep me company
<baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:37) night
<LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:38) My isp will probably cut me off so I'll have to sign off and come back. They have a 6 hour session limit
<Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:39) lunch time, folks
<RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:40) Great, who brought the sandwiches?
<makolee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:29) lunch right?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:30) yup, still lunch
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:30) for another half hour or so
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:30) I'm getting sleepy. I hope I can take this...
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:31) How long is the "afternoon" session?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:31) rolls til 6:00 local time
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:31) 5AM est
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:31) ouch
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:31) Judith, re: the sound, have you tried headphones? that's what I've been using. just a suggestion if you're still there.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:32) I think she's putting out her headlines for yesterday.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:32) i figured she'd be pretty busy now
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:33) Yeah. I'm interested in the next session - at large membershp and elections
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:33) Then the open comment period
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:34) I'm gonna be dead by 5am
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:34) they might change the agenda around and quit early... or quit late... who knows
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:36) Whatever. I'll try to stick with it. I want to be alive for the board meeting. :)
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:36) That could be entertaining.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:38) What time do you have? I think my 'puter clock is getting slow.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:38) it's 1:45PM local time
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:39) what? pm?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:39) where are you?
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:39) 9:45pm PST :)
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:40) tks I'm EDT
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:40) 12:45 am
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:40) Hang in there...
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:41) well, I'd better log off and back on before my isp kicks me for session time. brb
<JandlL2> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:42) back
<JandlL2> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:43) back
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:48) Dig the Latin music in Japan. Now that's interesting.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:49) Wanna dance anyone?
<Inging> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:50) how about lunch? that is what is being discussed, after all...
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:50) Yeah! But do they have alicense to broadcast music like this?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:50) I am in favor of .lunch
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:50) could be an infringement
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:50) ;-)
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:50) Good
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:50) I want out.to.lunch
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:50) ;)
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:51) so register it
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:51) www dot nick dot lunch
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:51) I'm sure someone has the tld
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:51) Who is it that has 500?
<BlaiseBot> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:52) http://lunch.to/out/meal-on-me
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:52) Good evening or Good morning to some
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:53) Not in the ORSC or SuperRoot zones. I see an opportunity for you John ;-)
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:53) hey, MC. Who has the site with over 500 tld's?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:53) say again?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:53) Ah well, it's all about the food. Ground SuperRoot tastes nice on rice
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:53) There is one alternative tld source that has over 500 tld's available
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:53) I can't remember which it is
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:54) www.name-space.com and I think it is cool as ^%$#
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:54) I own a few
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:54) There ya go John
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:54) Now you're talking! Probably a local delicacy!
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:54) Nope, you can register in those tld's
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:54) Hi Joe
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:55) so much for the fun, I gotta get back to work
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:55) hehe
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:55) ...and the group
<BlaiseBot> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:55) Leah, you may try http://www.icann.org/registrars/accredited-list.html
<BlaiseBot> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:56) to see what is available
<BlaiseBot> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:56) domainfo.com is a well engineered site
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:56) You won't find new tlds there
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:57) Ben are you back yet?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:57) I'm quite familiar with the list
<BlaiseBot> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:57) Sorry, perhaps we should have danced
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:57) yeah :(
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:58) Samba, rhumba, salsa
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:58) cha cha cha
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:58) could be worse, could be C&W
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:58) hey! I like C&W
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:59) some of it anyway
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:59) i'm sorry
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:59) It's great the tech we have before us but still we are outsiders to the process
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 00:59) that's okay. :) you're entitled
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:01) Ben are you back?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:02) Eeewwww....someone change the radio station.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:02) Yes, I'm here.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:03) Put some jazz on.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:03) could you ask for more online comments to be addressed?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:03) hi dena
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:03) will see that it's properly considered. we'd like to get into a microphone-microphone-online rhythm, if we can.
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:03) hey Gene :)
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:03) yes, thanks!
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:04) You have that capability?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:04) or are you indicating sequence
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:04) Well, I missed this morning's meeting...has anything important happened?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:04) Hi, anyone still around?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:05) Hi Steve. Pretty much a whitewash, as was expected.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:05) yes
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:05) The whole thing is archived
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:05) yes
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:05) yeah, I guess I kinda knew.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:05) baptista, still around?
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:05) Good choice of song
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:06) It was kinda interesting to listen to the GAC and IPC spew their stuff
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:06) Very demoralizing, to tell the truth.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:06) GAC side-stepped tld issue nicely
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:06) not surprised...hmm
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:06) Hey Judith, is the radio feed a copyright infringement?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:06) ask sony
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:06) GAC speared its flag in the soil, if you asked me.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:07) O cam
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:07) I know this archived but this is about one of the few places where maybe we might be heard
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:07) what about the TLD stuff?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:07) I can't even hear it, what's that about?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:07) MC, there is plenty of opportunity to hear if they wanted to ...
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:07) Line up if you want a TLD
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:07) gotta love it
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:08) alrighty..thanks folks.
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:08) now they begin.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:08) is it back on, or just the scribe notes catching up?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:08) on
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) Ping
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) Ping
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) Pong
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) Back on.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) hi chris, what's new?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) see our announcement?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) announcement, Gene...
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) Chris are you getting in line?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) Announcement, Gene?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:09) rndnetwork
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:10) i will send it to you if you did not get
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:10) I have it on my site under news, Gene
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:10) Gene, please do. Oh, was it the one about offering outsourced registry services?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:10) I don't have it either (do I?)
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:10) yes
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:10) url?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:10) dena, url?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) yeah! URL?
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) http://quasar.net/RDNetwork.html
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) let me check that ;)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) Ken Stubbs now has an opportunity to answer my question. Again, I'm taking bets that he will not...
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) What's this? one member each constituency of what? individuals? it's late, ... ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) I have a suggestion for a new TLD which will give the COM domain some competition... .GOD
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) correction
<bal> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) Hello everyone; are we having audio problems or is it just my system?
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) That URL 404ed
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) baptista already has it
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:11) http://quasar.net/RNDNetwork.html
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:12) the audio quality is excellent... i'm on a portable with a 56k and I'm pretty impressed.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:12) Oh yea, I forgot about that ... no audio at all ... huh?
<bal> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:12) O.k., thanks
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:12) Just a question...what does GA stands for?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:12) this is some of the best webcasting I have seen
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:12) yes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) i agree
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) Much better webcast than the last one
<bal> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) General assembly
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) general assembly?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) I am on a 56.6. Decent image, but not fluid.
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) thanks..for confirmation
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) BEN - are private conversations off-thread archived as well, or just this main thread?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) audio is fine.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) We need a working group to discuss a new constituency?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) ithe image could be better.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) domain holders
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) Delaying tactic
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) Ben - no audio, no moving video, though getting scribes notes ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) good idea
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:13) earning time ..I guess
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) all fine here
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) Question: Was there any report on the progress of the Ad Hoc Group during the morning session?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) no
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) thx
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) which feed has no audio?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) I didn't see it.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) They're serious - working group to make new constituency?
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) ick
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:14) Ben, are private threads in this chat archived as well as this main public one?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:15) chris, ben can answer this better than me
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:15) depends who's going to be included.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:15) but privates are certainly not in the chatlogs
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:15) I was asking ben... :-)
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:15) I don't think so, Chris, but I wouldn't say anything via any Berkman Center or ICANN server that you don't want repeated in public.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:15) Thanks, Ben - I've not, but I wanted to be sure, before I told Simon our whole business plan! :-)
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:16) lol
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:16) well, well,,,it's always good to play safe...^__^
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:16) 16 to 0 on what?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:16) Of course, no board member is going to ask Stubbs about the names council decision on WGC... am I surprised?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:16) there was a bit of touchiness between C. Ambler and the Board this morning, at least as I saw it...
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:16) DNSO recommendations
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:17) Chris, get you back copy from Carnivore
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:17) It should be created!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:17) I gather Esther means individual constituency ... "considered" rather than "created" ... (does she always change outfits between acts?)
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:17) Chris, I am glad that you entered into discussions in ICANN's public comment board. You settled a couple of issues, I think. Or at least where some opponents are concerned, entered into the discussion, certain ignored or unknown facts.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:17) Thanks, Roger, I try to participate anywhere that I can.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:17) What would you expect, Judith?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:17) : )
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:18) Leah - what, considered/creating, or rotating outfits?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:18) chris, any feel for a real answer to your morning question?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:18) (She does look better in black.)
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:18) rotating
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:18) :-)
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:18) yes
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:18) Gene, I believe I KNOW the answer. But I want to hear the answer that the names council chooses to give.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:18) me too.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:19) you KNOW?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:19) Andrew "I don't like your logo, so I won't post it on the ICANN site" M.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:19) no, just a feel here
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:19) we KNOW
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:19) Esther *really* has issue with individual's constituency, she doen't even try to hide it.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:19) how's it feel?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:20) Read the last line of hte last slide beginning with .BUT
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:20) remember, lemmings have consensus, too
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:20) we must organize
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:20) there's the "shifty-eyed guy with glasses" :)
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:20) Individual choice undermines her per diem
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:20) no ad hominems please
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) it undermines
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) Who's this guy?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) McGlaughlin?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) He seems well spoken enough.
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) Dave?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) lawyer
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) He made a Star Trek reference. He can't be all that bad.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) Sotiris, i was alluding to an earlier comment. sorry to offend.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) not me
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) hehe, true, roger
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) This is the guy who won't post our logo on the ICANN site. We're the ONLY sponsor without a logo on there.
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) he's the chief officer for ICANN policy making.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) Chris, what is the reasoning?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) he's no lawyer.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:21) I noticed that , which is strange Chris
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) i'm sorry, politician
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) Damn, Japan's been busy ...
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) The reasoning is because it says "The .Web Internet Domain Registry"
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) Cheif Financial Officer, ICANN
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) Nope..Jonathan Cohen is a lawer.
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) well, that too.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) Chris, that is strange... but is it?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) Who is he to decide whether a logo is acceptable or not?
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) I would think the logo would be 'part' of the sponsorship.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) is there a difference?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) Chris, do you feel that ICANN is prejudiced against IOD?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) and what the heck could be wrong with that since that is what you are
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) Roger, is that a rhetorical question?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:22) Their rationalle was that they only list the company name, and he feels that the company name is Image Online Design. As it turns out, however, the registry is a separate business.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) judith, not really.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) Roger? Um... is that a trick question?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) lol
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) What's this guy's background?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) do you have any doubts chris?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) Doubts? About what?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) I wouldn't blame Chris if he did.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) I appreciate the fact that these webcasts are available so at least you can try to get a handle on things
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:23) prejudice
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:24) Very smart. Harvard Law School. Nice, fair guy, in spite of Chris' experience.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:24) [no answer required]
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:24) Brett, then what's his problem with Chris?
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:24) well.. no personal attacking should be made ...I guess
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:24) I am withholding judgement until I see what the board decides at this meeting.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:24) The road for IOD has been a long one. I can understand any bitter taste you might have left in your mouth from it. Certainly, at least trail dust.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:24) This shouldn't be about Personality but about competence, but!!!
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:25) MC, precisely.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:25) I'm in Canada
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:25) And first use claims.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:26) One can only hope that what is right will happen
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:26) The issue now is simple, in my mind. ICANN has stated a number of criteria, including experience, competence and the like. IOD has 5 years of experience, the only active public registry, etc. If the board truly means what it says, we would expect their decision to reflect it.
<RayFassett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:26) I never rec'd my official ICANN PIN #
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:26) just thought you should all know.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:26) I did not recive mine either, what's up?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:26) Exactly, Chris.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:26) not to mention the vote of 15000 registrations IMHO speaks volumes
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:26) i was turned down - they said i didn't exists
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) got mine - 6 weeks
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) uh oh. He just negated anyone who hasn't activated their membership
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) It took like 4 or 5 months to receive mine. And there's been no communication or activity since then.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) Ray when did you join?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) you don't, joe
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) what?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) email received, gene.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) Ray when did you join?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) email me later after review chris
<RayFassett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) about ten weeks ago or so
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) sotiris@hermesnetwork.com
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) uggghhhh
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) Gene: ack. Might be tomorrow, depending on schedule today.
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:27) i must be a figment of someones deranged imagination ;-)
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:28) I did a short time ago so mine would take a while I gather
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:28) Does anybody know when will they stop accepting an application?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:28) would like to call chris. if possible, email me a time and number where i can reach you there
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:28) oct 1
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:28) Gee.
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:28) what;s the old gals names who is speaking?
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:28) who is she?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:29) wilson?
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:29) Wilson? A director?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:29) yes?!?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:29) Linda Wilson, her bio is on the icann website
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:29) I believe
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:30) YES
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:30) do you guys think there's any chance they'll start re-accepting applcations once the election's over?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:31) Pardon me if this sounds stupid but what exactly will the vote be in regard to?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:31) Any thoughts on what policies or suggestions ICANN will pass along to the arbiteres (WIPO) once new TLDs are introduced? Or will WIPO's batty trend continue, mowing down registrants of generics in ALL TLDs?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:31) directors
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:31) nice bio
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:31) it's about electing board of directors
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:31) The voting of the nominees for 5 positions on the Board
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:31) I mean in regard to new TLD's
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:31) from the At Large members.
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:32) I don't think it's anything to do with that new TLD stuff
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:32) nothing
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:32) nothing at all
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:32) 5 still doesn't affect percentage wise out of 19
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:32) it's better than nothing
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:32) True it is a start
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:33) one person even can make a difference
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:33) one would hope
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:33) guess that's depends on how that 5 will represent the rest.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:33) it is a gesture we cannot ignore
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:33) Important to get your foot in the door
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:33) very
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:33) it's not just a jesture, it's potentially a block
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) no
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) no way
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) Who's this guy talking now?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) there will be wolves among the sheep
<bal> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) Aren't @large members entitled to elect 9 of the 18?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) we must organize broadly the At large Membership
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) I believe it is 5
<bal> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) 9 of 19?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:34) of 19
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:35) look at by-laws changes recently
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:35) a limit?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:35) limit to candidates
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:35) irrespective.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:36) what?
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:36) sounds like another dogs breakfast in the @large
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:36) you're right, joe
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:36) can the scribe write "Crew" like that? maybe J.Crew will take him to court for doing that? :)
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:36) Matthew, lol
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:36) ha ha ha. ^D^
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:36) it'd be great if he accidentally wrote "crew.com"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) ;-)
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) Matthew, hold your fingers. You are typing a TM infringment.
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) guys...we're becoming rather cynical here...^^
<RayFassett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) will need to go through WIPO first
<JamesHairek> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) What do people think about the .gnu TLD
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) it's hard not to.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) Steve, nope. Just recognizing arbitration history
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) .gnu works for me
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:37) kkk...that's right sotiris..
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) James, I think any tld should have its shot to fly or die in the marketplace.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) isn't "atlarge" by definition not regional?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) yes judith
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) semantics
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) thanks roger...for an enlightment..^^
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) makes it sound like your a fugitive
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) ha
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) Righ on the money, Judith!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) a list of supporters is a MUST
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:38) i think .gnu would be great - especially if it had stable domain - gnu has lots of good resources that a .gnu tld can reference effectively
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:39) (was that a Bud?)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:39) light
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:39) BRB
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:39) oops...the scribe's been repeated...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:39) along with our PINs
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:39) perhaps?
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:39) The only objection I've seen is to use .OSS (open source software) to include non-gnu software
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:40) I've got a question in the queu. Are they reading them?
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:40) I think you better ask them using that form..
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:40) on the webpage.
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:40) I did
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:40) only 2 so far bter
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:41) bret, that is
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:41) thx
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:41) yes only 2
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:41) well bret, I guess that's either they are filtering questions or kinda long queue out there.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:41) Esther says to keep it simple for us simple people.
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:41) yup..I'm simple....simply frustruated..
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:41) The comment from someone staring over my should is that this is like Mystery Science Theatre 3000
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:42) in case some of you cannot sleep later, check out WWW.GREEKPHILOSOPHY.COM
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:42) Just the siluoettes are missing from the video feed
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:42) no ads, come on.
<SteveLee> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:42) yeah..please
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:42) and i'm greek, so i can say that.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:42) let us assemble.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:43) not asseble, congress
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:43) no, no... check it out.
<bal> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:43) Shouldn't that be geekphilosophy?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:43) aristotle was not a geek...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:44) he was a freak.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:44) with a big brain.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:44) why is she asking this question?
<bal> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:44) I agree, but this is not the place...
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:44) yes, let's not go there.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:44) let's not
<bal> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:45) The smaller people? lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:45) democracy.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:46) I'm surprised Esther isn't reigned in more often ...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:46) she's the Queen.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:46) Nah, she's just a princess
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:46) Miss Esther .. in NY speak, definitely a queen ...
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:47) dyson earlier said, "icann represents the internet, not the populations of the world." now she suddenly wants to represent the populations?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:47) two-edged sword
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:47) of Damocles?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:47) over our heads?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:47) who's this guy?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:48) klein
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:48) Let's just go on the record once with kudos all around and move on.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:48) god, the ballots will be huge
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:48) yes.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:49) We are not in uncharted territory
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:49) no limits
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:49) No cap.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:50) good point
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:53) WHAT?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:53) what a load.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:53) When will it be that instead of discussing voting 5 directors we vote on all 19??????
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:54) who are all anonymous?!?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:54) r u kidding?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:54) yes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:54) are they?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:54) no
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:54) PUBLIC SUPPORT LISTINGS ARE A MUST.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:55) Why should members be anonymous? addresses, yes, names, no
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:55) I want to know who I'm dealing with.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:55) don't you?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:55) privacy is one thing, ICANN is public.
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:56) anonymous members can't communicate with each other - you can also get alot of members from cemetaries when needed - old political trick
<blaise> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:56) OPINION: perhaps 10% of the population could be the max for number of nominees
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:56) yes
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:56) This is not the discussion right now, But I think it cannot be a truly democratic process until everyone who holds a seat is voted in not just 5
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:56) I agree
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:56) there goes the jacket. now we're getting down to business.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:56) completely
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:56) :)
<blaise> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:57) This would be less than infinite...more than enough to be fair perhaps...
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:57) When will that day come?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:57) perhaps somebody's considering establishing a dynasty?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:57) In this day and ageof which we live it is unbelievable
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:57) yes, joe. but do you have more candidates in the us, canada and japan?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:58) No internetation without representation
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:58) OK , if I'm nominated I will STEP UP!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:58) and SPEAK OUT>
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:59) excuse?
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:59) Server crashing? ICAN robust and reliable?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:59) server overloaded?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:59) lol
<blaise> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:59) SPECIFIC NUMBER: 10% of activated memberships would be limit for nominess in that region
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 01:59) aahhh
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:00) who will be in that group?
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:00) McLaughlin the registry!!!
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:00) dumb question is it Friday or Saturday in Japan
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:00) Saturday
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:00) Thank you
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:00) if its tuesday this must be belgium
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:01) sat
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:01) So this webcast ends at 6:00 Pm Yokohoma time?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:01) yes
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:01) 2am PST 5am EST
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:01) why not 8 per region?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:02) or 13?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:02) Thanks Simon you saved me some thought
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:02) why 6?
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:02) :)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:02) This conversation is the essence of ICANN - limit what a gazillion internet citizens can do, based on the constraints of the ICANN staffing capability and expertise.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:02) The guy in the back is beginning to slump in his chair. He is tired of all this yacking
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:02) Of course, it's the way to control the peasants
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:03) divide and conquer
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:03) classic
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:03) the lemmings
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:03) Japan wants app-specific ICANN access. Cool.
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:03) But Mr. McLaughlin is a member registry, so he should be robust and reliable
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:03) Is all discussion of New Tlds's for today and tomorrow done?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) Judith explain briefly
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) The big discussion is on the 17th, isnt?
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) Tomorrow is the Board meeting
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) For the gTLDs
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) I am back. Simon, I just created a new key, "Christopher Ambler (mobile)" for use on this laptop. Please sign it and re-send your message.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) simaon, is that the .mr.mclaughlin tld?
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) okie smokie
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) Anyone who uses PGP, please sign my "Christopher Ambler (mobile)" key if you care to send me secure email.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:04) done
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) Lady from Japan says majority of Japanese access the net, primarily email, by their cell phone. McLaughlin says they got to go to a web cafe etc. to find a computer, ICANN not cellphone-internet enabled.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) webcast problem
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) webcast problem
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) traffic jam
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) yep
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) is it buffering?
<blaise> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) yes
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) I thought it was me.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) says yes
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:05) ok. probably a local net congestion
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) we're checkin on it
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) I lost the feed.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) us
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) just lost the video/audio feed
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) here too.
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) very gone
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) i feel it too -- it's all gone
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) One of those error messages came up
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) ben, re-establish - link down
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) me too. maybe good time to skip out and hit the sack!
<blaise> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) still gone
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) Did someone trip over the cord?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) Hey, Chris, tell us what is happening at the conference!
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:06) Net congestion,buferring FROZEN
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) you think they are discussing something we shouldn'y hear lol
<blaise> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) rtsp://pc8.fujisawa.wide.ad.jp/encoder/icann-0715-en.rm no longer exists?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) try the backups
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) link down
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) re-establish the main links
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) The queue is13 people deep to ask questions about membership.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) Is that what the backup is for?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) servers should be up again
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) back in
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) Go to the backup
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) thanks
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) it is working
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) main feeds are up again
<blaise> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) buffering....back
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) bad sound.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) "unplug the webcast and let's vote really fast before anybody knows what happened!"
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:07) it's back up
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:08) sound looks good here
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:08) Leah, email me and let me know what happens, I'm outta here. Nite all.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:08) nite
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:08) I wnt to back up, it's terriblle
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:08) Yeah, I had to come back to the main link. The backup link was garbled
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:08) gnight
<blaise> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:08) good evening
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:09) it's working again.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:09) That conjestion just blew Simon away... ;-)
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:10) lost audio
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:10) Chris, hang on a tick
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:10) audio is likely lagged
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:10) what a deep voice
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:11) Someone wake the audience members up.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:11) it's not showing buffered. Just no audio
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:11) leah, go to a backup feed, perhaps.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:11) it's garbled
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:11) anyone else having trouble/
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:12) ?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:12) no trouble here.
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:12) fine in NYC
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:12) yes
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:12) good now
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:12) no
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:12) Check out another link, or re-enter
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:12) i'm on primary & great
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:13) I agree with his comments on acutoff it seems reasonable
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:13) I closed realplayer and relaunched. I have audio now
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:13) (i've had to relaunch realfnord several times)
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:14) ah, no budget for the M@L process
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:14) If?
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:14) i was wondring about that
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:14) Perhaps that's why they are trying to eliminate M@L
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:14) When do we vote on all 19 directors?
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:15) I don't want to be greedy, but I've got a comment in the queue if there's time to read it.
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:15) yesterday sending out 21 invoices was too burdensome; today sending out a few thousand letters is too burdensome and expensive
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:15) Sheesh! I have more than one
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:16) We've got Norton Disk Doctor running on Simon laptop Chris
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:16) this dead horse is a bloody pulp
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:16) Hang on
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:17) ICANN is incorporated in California.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:17) There are specific laws regarding members
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:17) did he say Internet phlebitis?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:17) and their rights
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:17) Hey Chris, are the online comments posted some place visible to the folks in the room?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:18) Bret, no. They did yesterday, but they were too small to read.
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:18) thx
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:18) tey are ignoring them today, chris
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:18) Folks, it's just not right to say we're ignoring them today.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:18) We didn't put them on the screen yesterday except when they were being read.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:19) ony 2 read so far ben
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:19) And re taking more online comments...
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:19) It's hard because there are such long lines at the microphones.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:19) i understand
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:19) But there is at least one in front of Esther right now, likely to be read within the next few minutes I hope.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:19) Mr Edelman are you performing technica support or are you representing ICANN???
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:19) thanks
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:19) (The fonts should definitely be big enough to read, by the way. It's the same font size used for most purposes, except scribe's notes which are extra large because they use a different system.)
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:20) hello everyone
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:20) I work for the Berkman Center, which ICANN has asked to facilitate remote participation.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:20) I want to see them address the "membership" issue in terms of the redefinition.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:20) Ben, who chooses what gets read out?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:20) Also, let me please ask you to try and make your comments inclusive as one comment
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:20) rather than multiple small ones
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:20) good question
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:20) just in general
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:21) John, that is difficult as topics don't come up all at the same time.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:21) I wanted to ask about IOD but I don't think they will pick my question
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:21) leah, I'm more than aware of it
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:21) as a problem
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:21) get your comments in - they become part of the public record, evenn if not read
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:21) but am trying to maximize the likelihood of getting some read
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) MC, they probably want to stay away from that right now. Sticky situation. Tough to give a preview of their decision before other applications are formally seen.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) which leads to my recommendations
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) of larger comments versus multiple smaller ones
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) MC, please do, but keep in mind that they're talking about elections now, and that's not on topic.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) Public record is fine, but is the public record really read by the board and considered? Doubtful
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) are the .web extensions going to be allowed in the root server
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) and gene's point is well taken - if you're stuck in line
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) and don't get to talk
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) your comments aren't on record
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) read, yes. considered...?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) but all comments submitted through the system
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) are on record
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) Wesley, that is the question of the year.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) Yes I know I wish I had some kind of schedule to work with
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:22) as for considered, that's not something I have any control over
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:23) yes they are john
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:23) great
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:23) IMO -- for the record -- in a 1 - 10, scale [1 = worst, 10=best] today's technical transmission/reception has been a three (3). Regardless, I thank all involved!
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:23) John, who chooses which comments get read?
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:23) what about the .usa extension
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:23) I think it has been better than that nestor
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:23) i have seen a site that is selling registration for them
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:23) if they are published on the web site (which they are) they are part of the public record
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:24) See the following from the http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama page:
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:24) bret, would you be interested in commenting on these numbers WRT CNPBCL ?
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:24) Participating in the Meetings. Online participants will be able to submit text comments in real-time. Questions and comments submitted over the Internet will be sent to technical staff present in the meeting room. Those real-time messages relevant to the topic currently being discussed will be processed by the moderator who will select certain messages for presentation to the assembled group for a response similar to that provided to a concern raised at a microphone in a Q&A session
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:24) All messages will be ar
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:24) ... All messages will be archived on this site.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:24) PLEASE folks, can we stop using the private message feature to me? I can't handle the traffic, and I don't want to be rude and ignore anyone... I just don't have that much bandwidth!
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:24) The problem I have with .shop, is that it is pretty specific. Not all sites are shops. Heck, not all sites are commercial. .web is nice and generic and broad.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:24) are we allowed to post messages here
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:25) And from http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/broadcast.asp :
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:25) Messages sent though this form will be sent directly to the Remote Participation Liaison in the meeting room. The Liaison will review and screen these messages; some messages will be read aloud, while others will displayed on projection screens. Of course, not every message can be read or displayed.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:25) i just want to ADD emphasis and to NOTE my frustration with beeing out of the loop so much due to no-sound, static-images, etc.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:25) if they are published on the web site (whish they are) they are part of the public record
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:25) ... We will also attempt to give preference to those remote commenters who have not already participated.
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:25) This is a non-political election?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:26) I like both Roger and a few others as well
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:26) wow-- bounced
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:26) Clue to Mike -- We're using single transferable voting
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:26) Is it not a fair question to ask when we will vote for allBOARD of Directors not just 5
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:27) GO common cause!
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:27) is ADNS.net an accredited .usa register
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:27) yes.
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:27) poor love - ester just gave him a politic shove off
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:28) ADNS.net is an accredited register
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:28) how is his comment us centric?
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:29) its not - it more dogs breakfast and deflect the obvious
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:29) the response was US-centric
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:29) i love her hat - who is she - i missed her - now she's a real lady
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:29) Do you like my hat? No. I do not like that hat.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:29) i hate when vint is right
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:29) take out another loan...
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:30) for what
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:30) she has a great accent - lovely southern bell - lovely lady - i think i'm in love.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:30) for paying for the longer ballot.
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:30) Ping
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:30) ping ping
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:31) if icann fails, will it be an international court hearing their bankruptcy trial?
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:31) Central District of California, here in LA
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:31) my point exactly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:31) nuff said
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:31) God Bless America!
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) She's not southern. She's from Oklahoma
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) That's southwest
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) [amended] God Bless the Bank of America
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) lol
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) Sotiris adns.net is accredited
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) In God We Trust
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) :-)
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) ProudlyMadeInUSA.com lol
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) E Pluribus Unum
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) E Publius Neuman
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) bohica.com
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:32) lol
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) Well - God bless Oklahoma ladies - who are pretty - wear lovely hats - and have brains. A congrats to her.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) oh yes!
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) I'm going out for some pizza. Anyone want anything?
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) beer
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) Gee, I lived in Oklahoma for a while. :)
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) beer
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) Texas
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) here
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) lol....You got it.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) LIved in TX too
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) where
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) and in CA
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) declined living in tx twice
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:33) Mt. Pleasant
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) up by Tyler
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) Saw Texas on a map
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) cant miss it
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) lol
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) lol
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) unless you're in Alaska
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) hehe
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) heh
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:34) texas joke
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) Yes, where they consider Continental US as "Lower 48"
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) citizenship has a higher legal standing than residency
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) what new extensions have they mentioned
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) always
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) to tx, the rest of us are the other 49
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) Tell the IRS that
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) what about dual citizens?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) good question, nestor
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) Long Live Texas
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) post it
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:35) Is it me or for all the whining about the concerns of adding new TLD's it sure isn't discussed that much
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) ...from an international law perspective
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) yes
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) that is what i want to know
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) what happened to the gTLD discussion?
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) what is that
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) It is only a part of the agenda
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) ah
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) If good decisions can't be made they have no one to blame
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:36) we've moved on to other parts of the agenda, guys
<baptista> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) amadeau has the floor - i think were due for a tirade of wordy nothingness
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) such an important topic... relegated to a segment of an agenda.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) they keep saying "this is NOT aÿpolitical process"
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) he's right on this point
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) membership and elections are very important
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) yes.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) they are.
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) From their posted agenda it appears that the gTLD discussions are done for today.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) damn i have to tear an old pc down so i can get sound
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) Yes they are Leah
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) card went out
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:37) perhaps they deserve their own meeting.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:38) Sotiris
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:38) Dena I show today as ICANN public Forum am I correct?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:38) yes wesley?
<DenaWhitebirch> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:38) They are in Saturday now. So I think the public forum is tomorrow...
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:38) what do you know about the .usa extension
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:38) and adns.net/
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) anything
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) general comments today though
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) not much, but there is a .us.com
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) later
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) and many names are available
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) yeah i saw that one
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) It sounds that this is a much bigger line than yesterday's gTLD comments line
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) no interest here
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) I show saturday as ICANN Public forum unless I am reading or understanding ICANNS web site to represent USA time
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) chances are, variations like .us.com are the future "new" tlds
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:39) .us already exists. .usa would be....confusing perhaps. But since the USA doesnt have an unrestricted country code, maybe it would be a good idea.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:40) unless the .usa extension is accepted
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:40) Sortis,, us.com is a domain
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:40) an SLD.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:40) I want to be able to vote for all 19 directors
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:40) i seriously doubt it.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:40) Someone owns it. You cant just take it from him.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:40) they are selling subdomains off there name
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) no, it's a "TLD" now...
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) Anything to the left of .com is an SLD.....Maybe com.us is viable.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) but not a us.com
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) subdomains are the future
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) It is not a formal TLD.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) It is operating as such
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) But it is a SLD
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) yes
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) They are very clever.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:41) smart group that.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:42) subdomains are not THE future. Just A future for some.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:42) perhaps.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:42) I suppose many gTLDs will be more of a future than SLDs operating as TLDs
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:42) you believe that comment?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:42) Which comment? Mine? Or the webcast?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:42) I submitted a question asking when we will vote on all 19 directors, isn't that a fair question
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:43) They talk about the stability of new registries, yet they can't even run their own membership system? What does that say?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:43) lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:43) somebody must ask about the PIN backlog!!
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:43) hypocrisy
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:44) Everybody is so clever -- and, seemingly have an answer for EVERYTHING !
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:44) It seems that at some point this agency will need to stop asking "How should we run ourselves and the Internet"....and KNOW what they want. I know, they are still in their infancy.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:44) there is an answer for every question.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:44) But this "let's talk about how to do things" approach will look weak after a point.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:45) after?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:45) exactly
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:45) I want my .Web
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:45) after what point? - it's been nearly 2 years!
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:45) ME TOO
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:45) lol
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:46) I understnad the need to talk about how do do things that are yet to come. (i.e. new TLDs..)....but they need to stop talking about forming subcommittees to TALK.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:46) i have a goog list of .web's and i am ready to develop
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:46) good
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:46) i want the .usa extension
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:46) the tld is not an extension
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:47) Esther looks like she'd rather just shoot the commentors.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:47) I have my share of COMS... I'm happy. I added mnemotechnics.com recently...
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:47) the left-most portion of a domain name is the extension
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:47) ?
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:47) This guy sounds like a chick! I guess the translator is what we're hearing.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:47) Gee, Bob you guessed right!
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:48) lol bob
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:48) BigPile.com is my highest traffic site
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:48) lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:48) hahaha
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:48) Pardon me,is the end result of all tese meeting going to be a decision at least to how many Tld's will be released?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:48) none?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:48) or .museum!!!???!!!
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:49) i dont know that is all I am interested in
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:49) .museum is a pacifier
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:49) I am concerned about a fully democratic process as well
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:49) absolutely.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:50) I think .museum is a classy new restricted TLD
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:50) at least as proposed.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:50) they just need to put all the different countries in a no hold bar cage match and the winner gets the goods
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:50) why go to the trouble of WG-C if it is not chosen?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:50) why don't they put the issue of introducing a new gTLD to a vote by the At Large Members?
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:50) really
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:50) right on Sotris
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:50) Vote.com
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) and you select the new tlds
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) no.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) .banc is a waste of time and on a public poll it came in last
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) a ballot
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) yes
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) a ballot
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) it's interesting on how a non-profit WILL affect the pockets and LIVES of so many, yet not be a democratically accountable creature . . .
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) with a list
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) that you can add to
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) yes, it is, isn't it?
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) are they going to hit the web comments?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) .banc and .shop was NSI idea only
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:51) yes, add to it by all means.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:52) my idea is .GOD
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:52) Bret, they're queued. Waiting for Esther to call on us.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:52) joe baptista is .god
<BretFausett> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:52) thanks
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:52) damn someone has domainvote.com
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:52) I don't feel like I am participating in the ICANN process really do you?
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:52) no
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:52) try tldvote.com
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:53) i feel im paying all these people to get a free trip to japan
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:53) it is avalible
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:53) let's organize.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:53) ok
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:53) im in
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:54) sotiris@hermesnetwork.com
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:54) i have my own server
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:54) Objectively speaking if you take any regular person off the street and explained everything to them simply they would see the unfairness in all aspects
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:54) I thought I was -- a level of skepticism is warranted and perhaps healthy.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:54) gandi.net
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:54) registrar
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:54) bigpile.com
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:55) i can put a link on my site
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:55) go Teri
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:55) okay, now I lost sound.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:55) anyone else?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:55) BTW anybody at the meeting need any tips on business attire can check out our Company's current project: WWW.SAVILEROW.COM
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:55) where is the link to read the comments submitted????
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:56) i get over 10,000 hits a
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:56) day
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:56) on the ICANN site "Substantive Comments"
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:56) im sorry a month
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:56) Thanks
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:56) are u listed admin for bigpile?
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:56) the people are speaking . . .
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:56) im the owner
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) good.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) i will register the name if you want
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) or you can
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) do it.
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) ok
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) MC, the page where you accessed the realvideo feed, under current
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) substantive comments
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) MC, link is on the Read section of broadcast page.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:57) use gandi.net
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:58) I found it thank you
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:58) for what
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:58) i think i will get DomainVote.org
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:58) registry, their service agreement is quite favourable. you can actually OWN your domain with them.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) that's a good one too!
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) im a register.com partner
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) .ORG is more apropos
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) DomainOutfitters
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) i think so
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) ok
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) dome
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) done
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) excellent.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) you have a server?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 02:59) where are u located?
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) I want posterity to know that this is an Historical event & I my participation is dedicated to the poor, and all those who are taking affirmative steps to become self-sufficent and happy
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) I am getting sand in my eyes, when we will we discuss new Tld's lol
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) wes/sotiris - take it to a private chat
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) yes
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) i have my own server
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) im in Houston
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) im in Toronto
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) how many want us to take it private?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:00) vote...
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:01) it makes it harder to read the chat if it is personal
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:01) what's personal about it?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:01) domainvote.org
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:02) a real plebiscite.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:02) published without prejudice
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:02) to guage the pulse of the membership at large.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:02) are you referring to me?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:02) that depends.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:03) I dibn't say your discussion was persoanl I just if it was
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:03) ok.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:03) it's public.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:04) how many here would like an at large vote on the intro of new tlds?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:04) once and for all
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:04) we should be voting on 19 directors why doesn't anyone bring that up
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:05) that too.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:05) Vote with your DNS settings
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:05) superrot?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:05) root?
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:06) http://www.superroot.org/
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:06) rot lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:06) no pun intended.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:06) gotta you lol
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:06) If you have .WEB or .GOD domain names, this is where it resolves
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:06) will that get IOD's .web resolving ? (superoot)
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:06) not tru bob
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:07) i understand the rationale of superroot, and they are essentially correct in their position, but without sanction.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:07) True. See the page on authority.
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:07) bob
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:07) c'mon bob, are you that new to all of this?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:07) we must mobilize and begin to organzie
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:08) You give them authority by the way you configure your DNS
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:08) domainvote.org is a clear question.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:08) No Gene
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:08) if enough at large support is amassed, who could deny us?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:09) oh? ahy don't we ask joe baptista where .god resolves
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:09) You don't need any changes in Roots. If ICANN would read and listen to my Comments which I have submitted, a lot of issues could be settled smoothly and efficiently. Brittany Technologies, Inc. has the Search Avenue and it is TLD Unbiased. Equal and level playing fields for web presence.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:09) i was told it is the orsc root
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:09) ORSC
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:09) And SuperRoot
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:09) but you said authoritative
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:09) and Pacific Root
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:09) Teri, does your software require ANY change to how the DNS works?
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) No
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) whre can we find more info Teri?
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) Ron H, if you ever read this , it's time to get the Subcommittee of HR focused on these events in the context of the four (4) goals . . .
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) I thought you could resolve a .web at ORSC
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) Then roll it out now - you don't need anyone's permission.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) u can
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) you can - we are discussing authority
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) I would like to start development
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:10) sanction
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:11) Sanction by who?
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:11) The internet user or a committee?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:11) big difference
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:11) Ambler, where can one find info on how to configure DNS to resolve your .web registry ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:11) sanction is determined by support.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:11) see www.open-rsc.org
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:12) Good enough
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:12) i can resolve my postmaster.usa
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:12) Some are on the Comments sections provided to ICANN. We go on line with it August. Heck, I had to contact our board members and legal counsel tonight to get the go ahead to mention it...Chris, through our Search Avenue, your .webs can be located and accessed
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:12) if we can organize and achieve grass roots at large support, we can have a say.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:12) MmmCow, point your DNS to 207.114.179.254 or 206.190.80.1 - or read about it at www.open-rsc.org
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:12) heya MmmCow
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:12) or 199.166.24.1 or 205.189.73.10
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:12) Thx Chris , will do
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) hi wholley
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) Okay, Teri, go for it. But with your software, can someone use a .web address with Internet Explorer, never hitting your site or installing anything new? Does it allow them to send email to chris@the.web?
<WesleyHolley> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) fancy meeting you here
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) Pardon my lack of technical knowledge but would it be possible if a major corp like Microsoft or netscape included the alternative root that it would grow from that solution
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) http://www.dns-root.org/
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) Be back in a minute.....
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) no, we would not want that - it would remove choice
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) ICANN are tying up the big players as registrars
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) MC, if that happened, it would be game over, win to whomever MS put in. Yes.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:13) Look at AOL
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:14) yes, aol is a prime example
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:14) seems like another way to skin the cat so to speak
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:14) MC, been tried. No joy.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:14) it's all marketing, mc
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:14) ambler vs. aol
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:15) marketing budget vs. marketing budget
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:15) I think form an internet user stanpoint especially when technical knowledge is limited as in the masses, if something needs to be configured that blows it
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:15) 2 points for Cerf...
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:16) he's been on target (as much as it pains me to say..)
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:16) mc, that's where choice breaks down
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:16) you're stuck with what you're given
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:17) yes. for us, it's easy. it's john q user who never knows
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:18) ICANN could kill off SuperRoot, ORSC, etc. in one fell swoop. Implement the ORSC root, and make the ICANN root more content rich (i.e. more TLDs ) than anyone else could do
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:19) So simple
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:19) yes. they either don't see it or don't understand it.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:19) I could get a real job then ;)
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:19) i could get sleep
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:20) I think it would prove too many folk wrong. It's a pride/image thing more than common sense.
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:20) Blue Ribbon folk that is
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:21) yes, and fear
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:21) Esther would lose her per diem and travel expenses
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:21) the bureaucrats have been FUDed into believing ther will be problems
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:22) esther always has IBM commercials to make it up
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:22) What problems? These folk are manufacturing problems in front of our eyes
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:22) exactly
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:22) The ORSC root is stable. There are no conflicts.
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:22) does mr. mclaughlin really believe that version of cairo, or is he a liar?
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:23) Chris, can you tell us how many people are there at the meeting? Are Jeri Clausing and Mike GodwinMike Godwin there? Just curious.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:23) ORSC root IS the proof of concept
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:24) the idea that the board was a vigorous defender of teh MAL elections against forces that opposed such an election is really fsking outrageous.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:24) I've not seen Jeri, and I've never met Mike. I'd guess 200 max.
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:24) teeny
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:24) Thanks.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:25) The thing that cracks me up is that this has all been done before, with the sum in the ORSC root zonefile. These guys are ignoring the fact that everything has been done for them. They want to do it all over under their rules
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:25) and under their control/governance
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:25) so how did jon postel die?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:26) clinton friends list
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:26) Complications from heart surgery
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:26) what a time to check out!
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:27) Come on, all this made him ill, to the detriment of his health
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:27) Very ill
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:27) in reality, he worked himself to death
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:27) Bob, that is not necessarily true.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:28) i once had an exchange with j postel, he seemed quite reasonable to me.
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:28) Stress is one of the worst killers. The body takes a huge toll. By then the damage is already done.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:28) only exchanged email with him a couple times myself - always a logical approach
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:29) WHAT?!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:29) 9
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:29) ***MORE*** APPOINTMENTS?!
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:29) GIVE ME A FSCKING BREAK
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:29) no appointments!
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:29) 9, no less -- perhaps more, if not all . . .
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:29) no, 4
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:30) I worked on a couple of drafts with his input. Brilliant guy. He got stuck between a rock and a hard place. He traded the new TLD process for a legal umbrella for IANA.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:30) re-election?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:30) yes. a tireless worker
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:31) i thought they might have knocked him off... but i was just woolgathering... if you know what i mean
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:31) timing was curious - that's all
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:31) what would be the optimum size/mix of the Board?
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:31) 0
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:31) Just me.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:31) it will do damage!
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:31) ;)
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:32) LOL
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:32) Have Eugene Kashperoff run it all
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:33) E Publius Neuman
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:33) Oh, we can't talk about Jon Postel getting knocked off, because ICANN have the film rights and won't take calls from Oliver Stone
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:33) ble, useless chat
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:34) LOL!!!!
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:34) Sorry, didn't mean to interupt the exciting riviting main attraction
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:34) didn't the board already decide in cairo?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:35) 6 month study
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:35) Precedence is not the gaol/lesson here, is it?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:35) a likely story
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:37) Heaven forbid that these people actually accomplish something practical, and not just adminstrative.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:37) gosh
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:37) Do Board members a talk off-line as a quorum to "decide" on issues, outside of the public meetings -- or -- is this not allowed?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:37) hmm
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:37) die?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:37) yes
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:38) they talk among themselves behind closed doors and phone calls
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:38) I can't figure out if Abril is naive or an idealist or what...
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:38) Great he says he doesn't know and keeps talking
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:39) The bylaws should restrict pre-meetings . .
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:39) he is feeling his power
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:39) likes the sound of his voice
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:39) Nestor, it's not only done, it's the norm
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:40) he's saying 9 is a majority of 18 or 19 ???
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:40) new math
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:40) This board seems a little too unified to me...
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:40) WOW !!
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:40) ICANN math. New laws of physics too
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:40) the 19th is elected by the board
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:40) Up is down
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:40) ZEITGEIST ????
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:41) richtig
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:41) ach so
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:41) nicht whar
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:41) The problem is that the existing board members are weighted on the of the TM (WIPO) lobby. It is a de facto majority because of any "title" designation.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:41) wahr
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:42) How do you rebalance it?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:42) figure out?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:42) oops "regardless" instead of because
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:42) Elect the entire board with a general vote
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:42) yes
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:43) bist du auf D?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:43) The members required to have technical background can be screened for that purpose. Each board seat can have its requirements on that basis.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:43) ein bischen.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:43) Wie gehts mit du?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:43) Nestor, of what?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:43) ich habe gestudiere deutsche fur ein jahre
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:43) :-)
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:44) good
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:44) sotiris, I caught a couple of words, but lost the meaning of the last one
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:44) year
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:44) back
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:44) the pognosis is . . .? want to guess?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:44) NO
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:44) that was not my guess...
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:45) you've been speaking German for a year?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:45) ja
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:45) i've studied it for a year
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:45) not bad, huh? I haven't heard it for 35 years
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:45) i'm only 31
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:45) My grandmother spoke Yiddish and some German
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:45) i'm working on it
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:45) Folks, please try to keep discussion to the substance of issues under consideration.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:46) English, greek, german and some French.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:46) k, Ben, sorry.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:46) HERE! HERE!
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:46) are you all coming to Marina in November?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:46) THANK YOU WOLFGANG!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:47) possibly, we'll see where my business is at that point.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:47) no promises, but i will try.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:47) Yeah, this is being archived for all eternity. I agree, actually. And I am not a "stay on topic" kinda guy
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:47) Procrastination is an art form here
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:47) darn, lost the feed again! And this is interesting.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:48) It's human nature -- it shouldn't be such a solemn chat room
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:48) Didn't mean in the chat room
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:49) YES!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:50) tend?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:50) tend?!?!
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:50) then ICANN is Michaelangelo
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:51) YES!!!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:51) YES!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:51) "cavalier!!"
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:51) i agree. the board is diminishing their reputation with every rebuff of the at-large election question
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:51) Steady on!
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:51) Was this issue of the Study and/or the number of At Large-elected Baord members on the agenda or is it a nuance (and/or strw-hat-man)?
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:51) Is Ira Magaziner paying any attention to this process, or is he busy elsewhere?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:52) Ira who (does that answer it for you?)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:52) he's watching.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:52) bet on it.
<MatthewPappas> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:53) gotta wake up in 3 hours. good night all.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:53) gnight...
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:53) How is it that with the entire world supposedly watching, that there are only about 20 people in this chatroom? Interesting.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:54) THIS IS A TYPICAL GARBAGE CAN STRATEGY (((I.E., ORGANIZATIONAL THEORY TACTIC IN THE SCHOOL OF POWER & POLITICS))) --e.g., "Organized Anarchies"
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:54) we've had 147 signups so far today, but not everyone joins the chat, clearly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:54) only 147?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:55) no, it's using that amorphous thing called "consensus"
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:55) John are you in control of the webcast?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:55) john, how many watching the webcast?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:55) How many people are maximum for this room? And would other rooms be operating?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:55) no max for the room
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:55) after 42000 verified membership?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:55) don't know how many are watching
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:55) Heck, that could become unruly.
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:56) Then let's take action..Appropriate and Resonable Action...As a Unified Group of Participants in this ICANN meeting.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:56) 75000 by the end of the month?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:56) pshaw!
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:56) but I'd assume that if we had 42000 signed up we'd have more than one room
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:56) it's difficult, terri, due to the number of commentors there
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:56) not to mention a fried server back in cambridge
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:56) again, this is an unofficial space we provide
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:57) to make the online experience better for you folks
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:57) we do appreciate it... thank you.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:57) and we come and go from paying attention to the room
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:57) in order to do the rest of the work...
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) Thanks -- the unofficial is OFICIALLY valuable !!! Thanks a million!!!
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) but it is frequently fun to watch the fur fly
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) a lot of alliteration
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) ha
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) John, stop staring at my fur! :-)
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) he's hungry, chris
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) Led "us"?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) now now chris, this isn't that kind of chat
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) heh
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:58) domainvote.org
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:59) wesley registered it tonight.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:59) look for it in the next few days.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 03:59) john, it would be nice to hear some more comments from online before they move on
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:00) see what I can do
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:00) Constituencies were challenged to self-form, yet IOD was denied access to the registry constituency. Makes you wonder.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:00) so you run on a platform, then you chuck it?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:00) if u get in?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:00) but they've closed the mic lines
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:00) so was the TLDAS
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:00) TLDA
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:01) and we have some room time limits and are a full hour behind
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:01) so no promises
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:01) Well, IOD is a functional gTLD registry, right? So why not be in the gTLD registry constituency?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:01) thanks for trying, john. Your efforts are appreciated.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:01) sanction
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:01) so what is the real problem then Chris
<kero> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:01) 3
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:02) sanction is the problem chris!
<kero> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:02) sorry
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:02) and give ben his full due
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:02) he designed this whole system from scratch
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:02) as you know, chris, you have many supporters in that argument
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:02) and is the engine that runs our webcasts
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:02) Well, since the gTLD registry constituency has 3 seats on the names council, and since the registry has one member there's one names council rep, were we allowed, we'd have a member on the names council. The ICANN board and other names council members don't want that, so they don't let us in. It's really 1+1=2.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:03) Really? Ben, there's a bug :-)
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:03) Yes...
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:03) ben should know already those of us who have been with this from the beginning appreciate his blood sweat and tears.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:03) If you're typing, and the window looses focus, the text in your typing buffer is dumped.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:03) Do you need to be in the gTld constituency to be chosen as one of the new Tld's?
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:03) Are we going to cc discussion soon. I have a very pertinent comment. Please try--at least to get it heard. Thanks
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:03) Bob has a motion submitted in the comments
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) But it's a very nice interface; I didn't realize you'd written this. Very nice.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) MC, no.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) we didn't write the chat, but he designed the rest of the comments systems
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) Ahhh.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) and set up all the hardware
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) etc.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) Chat comes from the folks at webmatser.com.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) webmaster.com that is.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) good job!
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) he essentially invented scribing back at IFWP
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) however!
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) webmatster or webmaster
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:04) Real good job!
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:05) thanks.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:05) Gracias!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:05) Hey, you guys, you're making Ben blush! Cut it out!
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:05) Put the camera on him.. ;-)
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:05) Take a bow Ben
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:05) yes, put ben on for a quick bow
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:06) yes
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:06) don't hide ben
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:06) ok, back to our programming
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:06) ccTLDs are coming up
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:06) note the presentation linked off the agenda
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:06) i agree with crispin.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:06) is this really coming to us in real-time?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:06) esther is right, but that should not be an opening for the actions the board seems to be ready to take.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:07) they are leaving too many dangerous doors open
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:07) in order to evolve we need new Tld's
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:08) Mc, get off the new TLD's for now, okay?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:08) I'm informed that there's a motion proposed in the online comments. As there is a quorum, should it not be heard?
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:08) maybe I say no
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:08) There are several really important issues and this is one of them
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:08) Read it before you comment
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:08) I have no comments on Geographic issues, Simon...
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:09) what's the comment number?
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:09) Sorry, was a general "read it everyone"
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:09) Comment #880
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:10) Go Bob!
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:11) It only goes to #879
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:11) If that's the case, then the US shouldn't be in the North American region, as there may be no US representatives if they're all elected from Canada...
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:11) Refresh your page
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:11) I did
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:11) You may have input it too late
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:11) so did i - nothing
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:11) Shift reload?
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:12) I can see it
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:12) It has shifted to Geography
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:12) folks, this is a public forum
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:12) Um, John (or ben) who decides if a comment is "substantive" or "non-substantive?"
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:13) It's in the "prior sections" now
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:13) and as far as I know they don't accept motions from anyone...
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:13) It's submitted under Open Comments which comes at the end. Don't panic.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:13) just fyi
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:13) It's ultimately at my discretion whether a comment is substantive or nonsubstantive.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:13) It's never been a very hard question, though, as I recall.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:13) Ben, the comment that the question I asked yesterday be answered was marked as "non-substantive." Please explain why.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:14) Where is it, Chris?
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:14) What URL?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:14) Ben, can you tell me why #855 is nonsubstantive? It's important
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:15) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=nonsub
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:15) Number 855 is not an At Large Membership Issues
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:15) Additionally, I don't see my name in the list of physical participants, yet I'm fairly certain that I'm here.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:15) It was asked when I also asked the board, earlier today, no?
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:16) If you didn't preregister via /icann/yokohama/preregistration to attend in person *and* check the "ok to include my name on the public list of attendees" box, you're not listed.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:16) If you registered on site, you'll be included in an update on Sunday afternoon (tentatively).
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:16) Chris, I don't see anything from you on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=nonsub .
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:16) Well, Ben, fact is that I *did* pre-register, but my badge wasn't waiting for me. Imagine that.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:16) what's next on the agenda?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:16) cctlds are next
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:17) ah...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:17) time is running short.
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:17) Ben, can we have Bob's motion/question read out at the Open Comments at the end? There's nothing to embarrass ICANN as it's ultimately the US Gov's problem.
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:17) I think they would rather have it as if you didn't exsist Chris
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:17) The preregistrations run off a database that I personally designed and administer. I did not tamper with your nametag.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:17) It just didn't happen.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:17) Amadeo is right, arbitrary geographic selection is best... ICANN should not be deciding geography.
<Edelman> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:18) I can't tell you what did, but I'll investigate to the extent logs allow if you tell me the IP block from which you registered.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:18) sound is off. . .
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:19) Calm down, Ben, this is the second time you've assumed that I've accused you of something, and I didn't. The IP block would have been one of Earthlink's massive block of DHCP issues, as I did it from home (where I have dial-in, as my RBOC doesn't even know how to spell DSL much less offer it).
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:19) Do we have to wait to comment in real time on cc issues?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:19) carnivore is onto you chris.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:20) earthlink has agreed to do the fbi's work...
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:22) Carnivore loves me, I use PGP.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:23) oh yeah.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:23) nsa does not allow any privacy software to go into public use which they don't have a backdoor key to...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:24) so we're all in the same boat.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:24) If NSA wants to read my PGP encrypted love-letters to my wife, they're welcome to :-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:24) hahaha
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:24) arbitrary?
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:24) Are the global regions really the context when in fact not everynone within them is "participating"/awared [of/in] these elctions? -- Ostensibly, the populous ones will win, wont' they? -- Shall we start to identify which those will be? Or will be the vote be parochial and diluted?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:24) hahahha
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:24) I think we need one region: Earth.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:25) here! here!
<tb> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:25) two: earth and ICANN.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:25) new TLD .geo
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:28) .geo calling ICANN... yooohooo
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:28) THIS guy rocks.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:29) i like him already
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:29) (never mind that I also dig the Carribean)
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:29) Yes, I agree wtih him.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:29) me 2
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:29) finally, a voice of reason
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:29) BRAVO
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:29) !!!!!!!!!
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:29) Divide and conquor
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:30) That is why I like .web. It unites the world in a web. A matrix. (.WEB plug not intended.)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:30) exactly
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:31) Chris, you mentioned on the message board a .kids. How would you run that one differently from the .web? Would there be content restrictions, be they informal or formal?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:32) good night or good morning all, i need sleep. domainvote.org will be up in a few days... look for it. Best wishes!!!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:32) Well, what I mentioned is that when we are in the roots, we would have no problem running a community-service TLD, like kids, for free, as a way to "
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:32) ... "return something" to the Internet.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:32) I agree. It is a nice idea.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:33) Tough to regulate, but nice in theory.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:33) same for .hame for amateur radio community - not a commercial effort
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:33) .ham that is
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:33) Or whatever. The point being that we would offer to bear the costs involved as a way to "give back" to the Internet.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:33) yes
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:34) So I could be ka6zmr.ham? Neat idea...
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:34) and i'm n9ozi.ham - i'll set it up for you chris
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:34) Chris, is there any technological consideration for entering a gTLD into the Internet that is so very different than the technical consideration for ccTLDs?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:35) Talking about the Roots.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:35) Roger, no.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:35) Not at all.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:35) It's 100% the same.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:35) Interesting that they keep talking about Maintaining the technical integrity of the root.
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) Yes, if it has to do with mapping non-name objects (telephones, in-addr.arpa, etc.)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) Simon, that's a different question, though.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) As if they were getting under the foundation of a building to lift it and move things around under there.
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) Sorry, can you clarify
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) They talk about stability, yes, and for the most part, those who do, DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) I figured.
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) Ain't that the truth
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) They use the "stability" argument as an excuse to advocate going slowly, but there IS NO STABILITY ISSUE.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:36) like having your browser dial 415-555-1212.tel
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:37) Gene, right, but that's new technology.
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:37) Sexton has it set up to resolve
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:37) Look at his sig
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:37) Today someone brought up the issue of the meaninglessness of that mantra
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:37) There's a TLD for the last 4 digits
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:38) have it worked out, simon. elegant
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:38) who's sig?
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:39) Richard Sexton
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:39) yes
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:39) http://ph-1.613.473.1719
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:40) It resolves
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:40) hi all
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:40) have you discussed with him how he proposes to make it work?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:40) Phil?
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:40) hey shep
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:40) hi mcow
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:41) im here representing domain squatters,we want a break !!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:41) Guess not.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:41) Shep, be good.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:41) lol
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:41) Sort of. It's a TLD for the last four digits. You'd need a large number of TLDs (9999) to map the phone system, and then a complicated system to map underneath through to the prefix
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:42) so what you all think about the meeting ?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:42) Dry, very dry.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:42) I think they need to bring in the lap dancers.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:42) GAC: government owns ccTLDs. CCTLD MANAGERS: We own them, GAC is trying to nationalize them all.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:42) yes... problematic, but doable. Different browser technology would be easiest
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:43) . . . I was bumped for all this while.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:43) welcome back
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:43) Yeah, more directory assistance from the browser - right!
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:43) hehe
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:43) Can we Please....pretty please get our comments on the current substantive comments read fully to the ICANN scribe? Please
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:43) personally,viewing this meeting i wasnt sure if its icann meeting or I-AM meeting,group therapy !
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:43) netscape would love it
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:44) Thanks!
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:44) teri, the scribe notes only cover what actually gets said in the room
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:44) which is why we archive the comments, read or not, in a separate file
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:44) on the archive/index page.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:44) John, the scribe notes have covered online comments that got read to the room. I think that's what's being asked for.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:44) John, Teri has been trying to get this in all day. Isn't it time?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) teri got her comment read
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) archive this then .. why icann arbitrators have so many conflicted decisions for similar cases ?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) and when I do postproduction
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) Gene, have you played with storing dns in LDAP?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) her comments will sit together in reference to each other
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) played with, yes
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) within the substantive comment section
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) incongruous systems
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:45) Sounds familiar!
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) interesting issues...
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) Yes, I saw terry's comments in the transcription.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) shepherd, the entire chat is archived
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) Got it working?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) no
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) you?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) though it is unofficial
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) I did.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) I hope they are read by the board and taken seriously. It's good stuff.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) DNS in Win2k has an LDAP interface built in. Actually works.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) i have your hphone number chris
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) I have the registry objects working, just can't get a zone file output
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:46) :-)
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:47) How can a pledge/donation become a contract (beyond the promise itself)?
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:47) this meeting is more likea cry for funding then anything else .. like always,it seems icann is more motivated to support the ones who pay and contribute then anythign else ..
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:47) That's a given
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:47) You're scaring me Chris!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:47) Funding. Funny. Give ICANN $1 for each .web we sell once we're in the roots. We could fund them by ourselves, if the marketing studies are right. Now multiply that by 10 new registries. Problem solved. ICANN must have some OTHER REASON for dragging this on.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:47) Shepherd , money is the mother's milk of . . .
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:48) I wonder if the entire at-large community decided to contribute, if we'd be taken seriously.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:48) I haven't worked with Win2K yet
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:48) concentrating on linux
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:48) thats not what icann should be about though ! it really missrepresent the public that way
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:48) and freebsd
<SimonHiggs> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:49) Can't fall over with those two
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:49) ChristopherAmbler .. they do,icann are doing what netsol wnats..and netsol dont lie .web too much
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:49) dont like that is
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:49) Chris....If IOD becomes the registry, I know they are not interested, really, in being a registrar. Who then would your current registrants renew through? IOD directly?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:49) i don't agree at all shep
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:49) truth will set you free gene
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:49) Interesting to see ICANN board members ignoring comments and chatting, privately, with each other instead.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:50) Roger, any ICANN-accredited registrar.
<NestorRequeno> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:50) pass the donuts . . .
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:50) pass the sushi...
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:50) pass the geishas.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:50) : )
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:51) and wasabi
<TeriPowell> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:51) ok..they just addressed the gTLD...please get my comment in...it has now become relevant.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:51) any explanation why icann ignoring what netsol are doing with gTLDS ?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:51) now THAT's an appropriate question
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:52) Shep, post that comment, and push for it to be answered.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:52) Of course, they wont.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:52) post where ?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:52) There is a submissions area.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:52) on the site ?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:52) Yep
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:52) k ill submit there..sec
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:53) Your comments get passed along to people on ICANN's side in the conference.
<MarcTamsky> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:53) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/broadcast.asp
<MarcTamsky> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:54) has the comment form at the bottom
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:54) I commented this morning about how they ignored Chris Ambler's question yesterday, at the end of the meeting. I noticed someone seconded my statement
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:54) In the "Substantiated" or "Unsubstantiated" section. I forget which.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:54) Roger, your comment was never read into the record (live), however.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:54) I know.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:54) I noticed.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:55) sent this :Why icann ignoring what netsol are doing with gTLDS ?
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:55) netsol are holding back all names that bought onhold and all names that expired after two years and suppose to go free .
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:55) for me,it looks like a monopoly and preventing other registrars sell names but netsol are planning to go and sell these names for a minimum of 35$ ( more then 250% from other registrars ) , please comment .
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:55) thanks ,
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:55) Sal.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:56) Time here now is 18:00, and we're now going overtime.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:56) yup
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:56) John will they read 880?
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:56) I thought so. I stayed up all night. It is 5AM here.
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:57) same in ohio
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:57) for sure, Roger. I'm deflating
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:57) lol. I need coffee.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:57) I wanted to go to Yokohama, though.
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:58) I wanted to see this life.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:58) if netsol can do what they do now..why not simply run all combinations up to 63 letters..hold them for 2 months as someone own them but didnt pay..then after the two month claim tehm as ( this guy owe us " .. thats a simple way to take over all names .. few months ago i spoke to some people at netsol that toldme simply..why you buy names..you can hold them for free for few months and try to sell .. the suckers promoted holding names !
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:58) live
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:58) not any more. You now need to pre-pay with a credit card.
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:58) Not true Chris
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:58) you can still use mydomain.com
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:59) Give me a URL where I can register without paying.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:59) prepay only for business partners .. and i am one..and never prepaid ( though i pay all my names anyways )
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:59) All you need is to set up a BAP (Business Account Program) at NSI, and you can still reg on "Credit"
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:59) www.mydomain.com chris
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:59) Chris, I do it all the time
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:59) Many registrars will set up a credit account if you are registering multiple names.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 04:59) mcow..thats how i set up now too
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:00) That's a legal contract, though. Sorry, I'm not going to go that road just to prove a point :-)
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:00) the thing is if you set up such and account, you are agreeing to pay. It's a charge account.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:01) It's not like it used to be where you registered a name which was deleted if not paid after 30 days. Those days are gone.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:01) the thing that im more upset is .. netsol saying..you bought on credit,didnt pay..so now you have to pay our fee if you want that name,this is a monopoly ! simple as that
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:01) It was abused too much.
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:01) ummmm...and how is that different from any other "reg before you pay" situation? Was there EVER one that had an implication built into it that one wouldn't eventually pay?
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:02) how about another try john?
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:02) NSI said specifically that you had 30 days to get the payment to them and if you did not, the name would simply be cancelled. That's what the big argument is about with the collection efforts.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:03) That's for another meeting
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:03) leah..not only that now..names that are expired after two years are being holded by netsol !! that makes no sense at all whatsoever
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:03) ICANN is looking into that situation.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:04) It may be a breach of their agreement
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:04) looking ? what to look at ? it simply as a monopoly can be
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:04) holding registrations that should have lapsed is an unfair practice to all other registries.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:04) but that is not the topic for this meeting
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:04) it prohibits the other registries from profitting from names that SHOULD be returned into the pool.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:05) I agree, but it should be discussed at another time
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:05) We could bring it up in the general meeting
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:05) I mean, registrars.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:05) it's a serious situation that hurts all of us, not just the registrars
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:06) there are other forces. NSI would profit if they sold, too.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:06) I have it plastered on TLDlobby
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:06) as i see it,icann and netsol are in bed together..it makes sense for all the rest of whats going on there
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:06) Absolutely. NSI is supposed to do a simple, straight-forward, prescribed job. It is playing games instead.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:06) We all know that
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:06) And inventing nonsense. That is the clearest reason that a registry should NOT be a registrar.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:07) Agreed
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:07) They control too much, and as a registrar have a different incentive
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:07) nsi is a private commercial entity. they have shareholders to answer to.
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:07) agreed
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:07) meeting done. bye.
<MarcTamsky> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:07) ICANN doesn't even enforce it's existing contracts with NSI -- exclusions in it's contract as the Registry against engaging in exclusive agreements with other companies is being ignored....
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) How about the fact that Verisign now owns them and they can use that to get into the secondary market?
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) sorry folks.
<JohnWilbanks> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) take care...
<GeneMarsh> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) bye
<RogerKeating> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) seeya
<LeahGallegos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) nite Chris
<MmmCow> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) c ya roger
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) i could not sleep with this going on...
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:08) what about cctlds that are taken by companies,such as .tv and .cc , where does that leave the country the name was assigned to ? all this domain business is more like a mafia business..not like a real international body that suppose to help the people to conduct business on the net
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:09) domainvote.org, look for it.
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:10) i hope they save this chat for their archive,losers
<shepherd> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:10) gnite
<MC> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:13) are the meetings over for the day
<Bob> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:13) Beer...
<MarcTamsky> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:22) they're over... reception in a few minutes
<MarcTamsky> (Sat, July 15, 2000 at 05:22) cheers