| Nickname - Message |
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| <BenEdelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:30) Folks, the meeting will begin in a few minutes. |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) Hello? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) Hello |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) How long 'til it starts? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) greetings folks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) the meeting is starting any minute now |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:40) 15 minutes or so. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:41) It usually starts a few minutes late |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:41) hale hale the gang's all here ... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:41) Hey Judith! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:41) here we go |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:42) Hi Judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:42) Bob, maybe you can ask Esther to speak up? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:42) (I'm sorry, I mean Ben) |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:43) :) |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:44) Working on the volume levels now. Thanks. |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:44) Let us know. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:44) Volume seems fine |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:45) Refresh your broadcast pages |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:45) to get the current meeting sections |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:45) as it helps us process comments in a timely manner |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:45) thanks |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:46) volume's a little better, thanks. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:47) volume levels are as high as we can take them |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:47) without pushing into the red |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:49) Volume is fine |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:49) Thanks! |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:52) Greetings all |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:52) Evening. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:53) Just Listening |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:53) Me too, for now. :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:54) Ben, are we losing volume? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) I have a good feed |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) I've seen a volume decrease |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) it's to do with ken moving to and from the mic |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) In and out, oh oh that's trademarked |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:55) not much we can do here |
| <charlesnesson> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:56) how about passing him a note asking him to please speak right into the mike |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:57) it's more that he's reading from his notes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:57) and looking down while talking |
| <charlesnesson> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:57) how about lowering the mike |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) Do these people know what they are talking about? |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) Who is that? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) how is video feed? ok? zoom in more? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) Why do the Scribe notes show up before he speaks? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) Video feed is excellent |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 19:59) zoom a bit more |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:00) audio lags in a way the IRC feed doesn't |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:00) The video feed is very good. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:00) perfect |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:00) Ben, where is the log of last night's real-time chat? I don't see it here: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) Is ist me or is this meeting more a less a repeat of everything we have read on the ICANN site |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) Who is this person? Is that Louis? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) This is an overview of the process |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) Seems that way to me too. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:01) Touton I believe |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:02) It is weird to put a face to a name finally |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:03) Our General Counsel is there. There are only about 200 people there. |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:03) chat is archved as "chat log" in archive page. i put it there. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:03) Judith, ../chatlog-071400.html |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:03) bottom of DNSO General Assembly, DNSO Names Council, and Government Advisory Committee Public Forum, July 14 section |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) Got it now, Ben, thanks much. |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) Can we submit questions here? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) use the submission form on the website |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) no, you must use the comment form on the main remote participation web page. this uses a database for better display to group, archiving online. |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:04) Thank you. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:06) is that the comment submission form link |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:07) comment submission is at the bottom of your broadcast page |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:08) Thank you |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:09) I'm confused. Is he summarizing the NC's resolution, public comments, or making staff recommendations. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:09) Sounds like staff recommendations based on the NC's resolutions. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:10) Hi Chris! |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:10) Chris, aren't you there? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:10) I am sitting in the meeting room right now. There's ethernet connectivity in here. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:10) First major argument. domain names are not indexes. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:11) Are you all listening to this? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:11) Yes. And trying to keep a straight face. Or not gag. |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:11) Yeah. I don't know what he's saying. Are these points for discussion or conclusions? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:11) These are conclusions. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:12) Good luck, Chris |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:12) The question I asked the names council yesterday was "answered" by Ken Stubbs. However, his answer was simply a reiteration of the names council report. |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:12) Where are you from, Christopher? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:12) There has yet to be an answer as to WHY they decided what they did, and HOW they can claim that WGC had no consensus, but that their report did. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:13) The names council, yesterday, just flat-out refused to answer my question. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:13) So what's new? |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) This is the best video stream that I have ever seen. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) Additionally, what you may not have seen in the realvideo feed, there was an inordinate amount of "sidebar" discussions, whispered, between names council members during the meeting |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) There's a call to answer the question in the substantive questions posted |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) This is where I start to get mad |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) Just let her talk, Louis |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:14) Especially when touchy issues were brought up. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:15) serve as an answer to you. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:16) I'm dying to see just what "substantive" means here. |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:17) Hi Chris...looking forward to some positve news about WrbTLD.com (& Dot WEb) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:17) Don't hold your breath, Ray :-) |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:17) .WEB resolves under ORSC & SuperRoot root |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:18) Your expression of interest was excellent...you raised great points...let's see if they get addressed |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:18) The majority of the comments were support for .web, but she will most likely not say so... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:19) Bogus! |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:20) Just the facts Ma'am... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:20) Uh uh |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) Chris when do you get to go up there and speak |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) Who, me? Why in the world would they give me time to speak? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) restricted domains will not remain so for long, IMHO. Too much money to be made |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) it was worth a shot |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) I read every one of those posts |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) So tonight's a rehash of what's on the website, and tomorrow they give us their decisions? Is that it? What's the point? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) Judith, did you expect otherwise? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:21) I have yet to learn anything new |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) I hear Sunday is the day they will announce EDT |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) what exactly will entail the decision |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) AMBIVILENCE?! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) There was outright opposition! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) I think it's interesting to see how they analyzed the posts. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) Rebecca's three slides are online |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) linkied off of today's agenda |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:22) This sounds more like a WIPO meeting. |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:23) Thanks, John |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:23) Lag ... Chris has about 15 seconds head start as he's there |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:24) With the discussion as it is it seems this could have been handled months ago and without this meeting |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:24) Or 5 years ago... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:24) no kidding |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:24) MC, this is, in short, "for the record" as far as ICANN is concerned (in my opinion) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) But Chris, last night's financial review was a hoot. Great show. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) something that is not up there is that the vast majority of people wanted .WEB! |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) Is there a vote by each director and they pull names from a hat lol |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) Can't you interject |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) No, I cannot interject. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) (at least not and remain civil) |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) Like .ARPA has 3 characters |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:25) Just yell, Christopher. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) wow seems strange as this is supposedly our internet |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) No, thank you, Jeffrey. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) who's drumming his fingers? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) Jeez, is there anyone on the Board under 45? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) well, there's always the Open Root Server Consortium |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:26) Chris, why don't you ask/speak remotely? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) Ray, it just may come to that |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) The UDRP may force the issue |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) Judith, have you heard a SINGLE remote comment except for "Jeff Williams's" yesterday? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) How come you are not present in this meeting Chris? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) Actually, no. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:27) I am, present, MC. I'm in the 7th row. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:28) Shes says some EOI don't seems serious |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:28) Dot Web is a no-brainer |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:28) Yes, some don't see serious. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:28) Interests don't seem serious because they don't adhere to forum format? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Chris, are *any* "pioneers" presenting? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Well, that was sooo informative |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Go Chris. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Judith, they WON'T LET anyone "present." |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) This is not a debate or a free process |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Pioneers are pretty much ignored, I have a question up which won't get read out |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:29) Are they discussing the secondary market at all? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:30) Nor even a sharing of information, obviously. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:30) Jeff, that falls under all the trademark and IP protection they're talking about. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:30) no you shut them done by not let ting them get started |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:31) Yes, but is entry into the secondary market by primary registrars being discussed at all considering the recent events with Afternic? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:31) Why does it have to be done with so much care? If it doesn't work, it will just be 3 lines of text on the root |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:31) Chris, have you heard anything of what Jeff's asking? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:31) No, I've not. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:32) I just gave the scribe a copy of our position paper (and one for each member of the board, which Andrew said I could do) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:32) Jeff, there's your answer. My observation of ICAAN is that if they don't discuss it, it doesn't exist. Not a good sign. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:32) These others get to addresss the board |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:33) These others represent constituencies. IOD has been specifically denied entry into the registry constituency. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:33) That's Palage, eh? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:34) I don't even want to ask why, do you are agree with the the registry contituency |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:34) They said constituency heads only. Kent Crispin just got in line. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:34) Kent Crispin??? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:34) got it |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:35) What is the RRP protocol? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:35) NSI's registry-registrar protocol. FYI, Image Online Design now has our implementation of the RRP online. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:36) All this was in my paper in 1996, nothing new here |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:37) (reply to Kent's comments) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:38) If you have ccTLDs how can a GTLDs be a problem I don't get it |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:38) Rick Wesson is here, wearing very nice "pippi longstocking" braids. |
| <fghfhfgh> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:38) jason |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:39) Wouldn't it stand to reason that a registry would not be accepted if it were not technically able? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:40) getting in line... |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:40) Have the NSA do an audit. They provide a complete evaluation (for real). |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:40) Aww, we are poor and innocent. Does that mean we need to be "handled? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:40) Chris, what can you do during this meeting to let the "world" know about you |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:41) As agents for whom? |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:41) Geez. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:41) Who's this? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:42) just what we need |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:42) That's Jamie? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:42) not |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:42) Was that "agents" to me Judith? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) He's asking ICANN to do regulatory work? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) #$@$@ |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) No, this guy who's laptop keeps folding on him. |
| <fghfhfgh> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) can they get to the point!? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) no doubt |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) who is this guy |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:43) Good for him! |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:44) Rick Wesson? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:44) and how did he get there |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:44) I don't care. He's making a good point for us |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:44) visa and mastercard |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) Can't hear Cerf - what he say? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) DNS is not a directory |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) DNS is not a directory service |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) Go Chris! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) okay, let's see how that went over... |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) GO chris. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:45) go Chris Ambler |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) Chris, well done. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) Bully pulpit! |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) Professional and concise good job |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) Bless you, Chris! |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:46) not bad Chris..they just need to give you another hour |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:47) Excellent Chris Ambler!..I'm listening and reading |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:47) or two |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) Who is that? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) roberts |
| <fghfhfgh> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) stop asking that |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) Mike Roberts. Sounds like an endorsement for .web ... should be, anyway. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:48) YES! Cerf is RIGHT ON! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:49) Who's that? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:49) I someone getting Cerf's comments verbatim? |
| <fghfhfgh> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:49) no ,don't bother me |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:49) There will be realaudio archive, if that's what you mean? |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:50) I hope they (ICANN) realize that even those of us who are .com holders of viable businesses also DO want new gTLDs such as .web and others. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:50) I'm watching the video feed live but there's a 30-45 second lag |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:51) The scribe comments show up before the video |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) Oh Gawd ... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) The archives are real video that we're archiving locally, so the archives will have no lag |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) other than that induced by your net connections ;-) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) I'm in Los Angeles... |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:52) Lag... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:53) Would you call Esther's comments a shot across the bow? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:53) Can't even hear her... who's this lady? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:54) She's wrong. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:54) Look like it - but what about the IANA disclaimer? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:54) Here goes Karl's comment. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:54) Of course many many TLDs will work |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:55) absolutely! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:55) I think the offending statement was on our http://webtld.com site, where we say we're optimistic that ICANN will approve us. I don't see anything fraudulent there... :-) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:56) Bravo, as usual |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:56) They had better be careful. It could give YOU grounds for a suit, :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:56) Karl's online? Lurking? Glad his statement at least got read into the record. |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:56) There's not Chris. You know who that was who brought up the reference and why he did. It was Inappropriate of him to bring it in the format he did. imho. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) But what does Touton think? That's your opinion. |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) Personally, I do not see anything fraudulent , Chris. It's very clear |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) No, I don't know who that was. Who was that? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) We'll stand behind you on that one. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) I mean it's Toutons opinion driving Esther's comment |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) They will have 14,000 angry people |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) What did Esther say - I missed it. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:57) 15,000 now :-) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:58) These 15000 are a vote of confidence why can't they see that |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:58) Teri, who was that who said that? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:59) Esther - see scribe 10. "may disqualify themselves" |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:59) what is true them for fraud???? |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:59) There is a firm in Japan who has the same interests as your .web. Was that not one of their Representatives. They have the .whatever.web.com thing going. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 20:59) Hooray! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:00) That's not Japan, that's Singapore. And are you guessing, or do you know? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:00) Chris, can't you find out who he represents? |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:00) Sorry. I typed Japan. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) He did not identify himself. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) Would Esther have expected .web to simply fold when ICANN was formed? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) Wong |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) Here is Esther's comment: |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) No one has been pre-approved. Their statements are untrue. They may well disqualify themselves |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) I saw it, Chris. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:01) She was speaking of an ICANN REGISTRAR, however. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:02) The bottom line is 15000 registrations put up there money , that in essemce is a vote!!! why don't they listen |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:02) Is Cerf's position essentially that the tm emphasis is unnecessary, or only that partitioned tld's is unnecessary? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:03) MC..ICANN want the registry portion of the new TLD to go out for bid with no restrictions. Verisign has set the price and ICAN want the $ |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:05) Crocker is really good at saying nothing at all. A talent. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:06) Whos IS that guy? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:06) Who is she? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:06) Kent Crispin |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:06) Searching is an interesting topic. Maybe we should make public our business plan for "search.the.web" |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:07) Not unless you're nuts, Chris |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:07) archive.the.web - easier on the IP lawyers ;-p |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:07) shop.the.web |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:07) surf.the.web |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:08) we have a business plan for most of them. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:08) stop.the.web |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:08) ;) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:08) this guys is spot on. (commentor in purple shirt) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:09) the video seems to be almost a full minute behind. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:09) (as is to be expected) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:10) that's the full 80k stream |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:10) the 20k stream is better |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:10) The real-time eyeball stream, although analog, is best :-) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:10) distorts like crazy tho' |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:11) great points...but not until ICANN can figure out how to maximize their cut |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:11) My prediction: all of the points that Dori is making will be IGNORED by ICANN. Anyone want to bet? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:12) you go girl! (who is she?) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:12) is there always the dept of commerce? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:12) Oh, that's Kathy's replacement? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:12) Dori Kornfeld. She rocks. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:13) couldn't understand her, back to the lag... |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:13) Ben, the back up 20k feed is badly distorting |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) The 80k feed is fine |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) ICANN need Not ignore this Consensus of the Introduction of new gTLDs accordingly to a timetable to be completed by this year (2000) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) She commented on the Internet democracy ..... draft. She's reading from that now. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) dori's mic was too loud |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) I got our volume adjusted |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) Chris, throw a spitball at Esther ... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:14) Now now, Judith... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) Bull sh------!!!!! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) It has almost completely ignored it! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) Cerf can really have it both ways ... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) This is where I get ticked. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:15) (can't, that is) |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:16) WE got hijacked. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:17) gag |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:17) Escrow = Carnivore = Echelon |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:17) I'd like to see Palage describe the secret registrar meeting where he and Cochetti told the registrars to put up and shut up (re TM demands), and how they had Congress in their pocket ... where's his report on that? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:18) So, bring it up. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:18) It would have world wide implications this time. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:18) Bob, you're paranoid |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:18) Uh huh |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:19) the queue to talk is 10 people deep now. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:19) If you push them hard enough will they fall like dominos? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:19) Just kidding |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:19) IP Gestapo. Who is this guy? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:20) is backup 20k feed any better now? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:20) we bypassed our audio compressor today because it was causing a small hum, unfortunately. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:20) I have a 80k feed isn't that better |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:21) Did the scribe comments freeze? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:21) I think so |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:21) Back to draft Postel? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) I think we're going to put the compressor back in the mix at lunch |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) since we're getting fluctuating levels from different voices |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) plesae bear with us til then |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) big volume wow |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) ouch |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) and we'll try to keep the volume good |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:22) Mine are frozen--scribe notes |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:23) coming back now |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:23) To much talk not enough action for years now |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:24) I like this guy |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:24) Go Pu! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:24) I mean YangWoo :-) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:25) go Yangwoo he is on my christmas list lol |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:25) Me too!! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:25) Provided he's talking about IOD's web? :-) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) true |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) You can at GreatDomains.com |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) There is an EARTHQUAKE GOING ON RIGHT NOW |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) I noticed on GD you can't find the .web names anymore? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) we just had a little earthquake here, folks. no joke. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) no way Earthuake |
| <kero> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) Welcome to Japan! |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) Really? |
| <SivertThrane> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:26) yeah.. he is shaking |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) I'd say about a 2.low, rolling |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) You're kidding! |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) well that might be what is needed to shake things up |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) nope, thank goodness it wasn't too big |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) should have had the meeting in Cleveland...no earthquakes here |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:27) The microphone queue is now about 12 deep |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) lost sound |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) pump up the volume |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) When .web names get approved, they will be sold through GD. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) There's an earthquate, Esther gets the applause. She is pure PR. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) you have some now JT i had sen before |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) i've just reinstalled the compressor. audio levels should be much more consistent now. |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:28) sorry for the couple hours of variance. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) Thanks Ben |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) hmmm. We may have deactivated them for now. I am not sure, sorry. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) Sound dip ... ? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) we're getting the levels reset with a compressor |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) Has anyone read the Fable of the Names? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:29) If the process is supposed to be consensus and from a layman perspective then .web has an overwhelming vote of confidence |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:30) which ought to take care of the sound level spikes |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:30) yes bob |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) A slow start, but not a single TLD. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) All of this talk , sounds like they are just launching the internet as if it never exsited before!!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) I almost don't blame this guy, its like, things are working now and we're afraid you'll screw it up if you change it ... |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) This guy wanted to stop all TLDs yesterday |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:31) First come first serve...how hard is this? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:32) There's a motion that was strongly debated yesterday at the end of the day |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:32) go Bob I missed yesterday |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:32) Check the archive archive |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:33) the motion was not strongly debated - Ken Stubbs tried to declare the motion itself out of order and did not allow a vote! |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:33) Pardon me what Motion? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:33) I'm trying to find it |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:34) the speaker after Heltzer should be interesting to some of you. |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:34) Esther, you're not solving anything really |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:34) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) no Sunrise! |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) I can't paste into here. Dang! It's in the Names Council scribe notes from yesterday |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) cool |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) bob, you can paste the link in |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:35) go IOD |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:36) go Mr Walter |
| <SivertThrane> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:36) you can paste as well.. just use ctrl+v |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:36) John, it's not working - gotta love RedHat/Communicator |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:37) what archive is it in? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:37) yesterdays scribe? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:37) which meeting? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:37) It is in yesterday's scribe, near the end. Names Council Board Meeting. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) who? I'll paste it in here |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) Schneider: Motion: NC requests the Board not to take any action about the process of how to introduce new gTLDs before the NC has provided a further statement. |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) Exactly which country gets to define what Free Speech means? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) Windows is finall good for something! |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) Why is Ms Chairperson repeating again UDRP takes care of free speech? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:38) I never had a problem with Whois |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) The motion was modified: |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) Schneider: Clarify that NC should be involved in evaluating what the ICANN Board has suggested and making substantial recommendations. Otherwise, we are encouraging |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) ok. go to <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive> and go to the names council scribe notes at the very end |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) constituencies and the GA to bypass the Names Council and appeal directly to the Board. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:39) Make sure you read the end, where the names council sat silent at my question (which STILL has not been answered) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/scribe-nc-071400.html |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) how is the sound out there? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) barring the lag? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) spotty |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) John, I can hear fine :-) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) was that what I noticed at the end of yesterday's archive |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) Ambler: Disappointed by NC?s disregard of WG-C consensus. WG-C?s specification of 6-10 new gTLDs reflected lengthy negotiations. Why recommend a smaller number of new gTLDs? |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) sound is good |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) Great sound here |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) Great here, too. |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) great sound here |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) sound good here |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) what a waste of everyones time if they don't follow WG-C |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) volume is loud |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:40) no no |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) stop back it down |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) Too loud now. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) don't touch any more buttons lol |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) Anyone want to pose the question now to ICANN as to Adopting WG-C recommendations now. :-) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) As per Esther's comment, we're going to move the registry to outer Siberia now :-) (just kidding) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) why have WG-C if it won't be allowed? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) major sound troubles today! |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) Did you hear about the tonsil case, Judith? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) but I think we're okay |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) now. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:41) ICANN just approved a couple of registrars in India.... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) Please use the chat to tell me if you're having difficulties |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) Sound is now way too loud and somewhat garbled because of gain |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) OOOoohhhhhh, WIPO! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) Better now |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) wipo coming up Chris? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:42) yep |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) You mean SWIPO? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) Yes, Jeff. What's your take on it? |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) major ones -- sound is out; video is static--in all channels. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) what about reverse hijacking? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) nestore, close your windows and relog. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) Is it whip-o or wipe-o? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) WHIP U |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:43) sure |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) I didn't get all the details. I think it WAS reverse hijacking. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) Ben, you got my email? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) Wipo make toilet paper, don't they? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) why is the Scribe so slow now? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) lol Jeff |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:44) That is a generic term. It's wrong that they were able to get that one throught the WIPO. What a joke. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) UDRP has Flaws |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) I have a copy of the decision, only gave it a brief read thru. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) judith, all comments need to go through the system |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) Can you send that, Judith. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) online comment coming up from Ray Fassett. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) idn't he go over his time yet? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) FLAWS????? |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) the facts about the tonsil.com case through wipo. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:45) I thought I did it right ... what's the URL? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) tonsil.com? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) judith, it's on the broadcast.asp page from which you accessed this chat |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) at the bottom |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) getting in line |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) go Chris push the envelope |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:46) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub&classification=New+TLDs |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:47) the person defending the complaining firm was a neutral of wipo. and this person representing the complaining party came from the same university and are in the same associations as the arbitrators |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:47) there was also evidence that was withheld from the defendent. |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:48) I still don't buy it...but atleast it's on record |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:49) smart, Ray |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:49) how is sound now? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:49) be sure to say which feed you're using. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) good sound, don't touch anything lol |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) MC, *which feed*? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) 8ok is that xcorrect |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) 80k |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:50) Great here at 34.0 |
| <j> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:51) Edelman, sounds good on primary feed |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:51) Oh..Primary here |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:51) how do you know primary? |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) Look at the audience. They are sleeping. :-) |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) I'm on the Dual Pane Real Video & Scribe |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) me too |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) me three |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:52) Doing Great!! |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:55) So why don't they do that? |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:55) alot of people sleep at ICANN meetings - tradition |
| <SivertThrane> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:56) i wonder why :) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:57) What is he getting at? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:57) trying to make sure everyone is asleep |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:58) it's boring - thats why ;-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:58) UDRP written into the *constitution* of any new tld?! |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:58) ha! Yikes. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:59) Yeah, more work for the boys |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:59) Who said that???? I went to get a Pepsi (TM) :) |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 21:59) no way is dot.god writing any UDRP into our legals |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:00) loser in UDRP should pay...??? |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:00) people will have to give in at a complaint without defense... |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:00) it seems inorder to be a registry you will forced to accept the current UDRP? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:00) Oh my gawd! |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) we won't - dot.god is interested in running a stable registry - not a UDRP filing center |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) Esther looks bored, tired of all the peasants |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) the UDRP has served to destabilize the internet |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) Put that in a comment, baptista. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:01) I agree where is fairness and justice |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:02) There is none, MC |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:02) She's been looking down her nose at all the non-caucasions |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:02) If IOD has 15000 registrations shouldn't ICANN take that as a vote of confidence in IOD and .web as the choice of the people? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:03) go C Ambler |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:03) dot.god had 8,000 domains registered and 1,200 individual domain holders in three days - how shall we interpret that? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:03) Please answer the question ICANN |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) Dot god? |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) God is almighty and free? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) isn't ICANN .god? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) Jeffrey, meet Joe Baptista. aka .god. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:04) Problems: Dave Crocker & kent Crispin |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) what's the URL to register dot god? |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) Nice to meet you. I am from GreatDomains.com |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) there is a www.icann.god - it resolves |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) I don't feel that I received an answer. Does anyone here feel that Amadeu's response was an answer? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:05) It's funny they cut off some and not others? |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) you can't register now - were froozen in beta test |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) no answer keep plugging away' |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) but the address is www.dot.god |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) thanks baptista |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) No!!!!!..I was Extremely Disappointed in ICANN' s response |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:06) hi Jeffrey - nice to meeet you - and lovely to see you here Judith |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) feed is breakign up |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) Nice to see you too, Joe. :-) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) They love you Chis lol |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) oops breaking up |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) This is the FIRST time a question has been asked, at this meeting, in any language other than Engligh. |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:07) i don't want to bother with making comments - to icann is like a psycho experiment - you remember the dogs and the bell - experimenter would ring bell - give dog food - dog salivated - i'm asking my user to apply directly to icann - i can't get into the psycho experimentation. |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) Stick to your guns, Chris. |
| <JeffreyTinsley> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) Pavlov. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) I thought Esther looked familiar. (sorry, couldn't resist.) |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) Chris Amler is good - it's a shame what icann has done to him by ignoring him. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:08) They must acknowledge 15000 registrations as the voice of the people |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) Hi Kristy. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) Hey Kristy |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) Hello, sorry I'm late ;) |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) they won't - i'm convencied we'll see another swan song this year on tlds - have they announced any new ones - i bet no is the answer |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) Does the ICANN board read these in realtime any thoughts? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) So far, you've missed exactly nothing |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) hi kristy |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) except Chris making some good points that will be ignored |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:09) ooooo, i'm sorry and relieved all in one moment |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) no scribe tonight??? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) scribe is going on |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) No, the board is NOT reading these comments. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) and the board doesn't read the chat |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) this is an unofficial way for online participants |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) to communicate |
| <olliheinemann> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) how many gTLDs we will have in 20 years ? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:10) So this guy wants a tm screen. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) but we do archive the chat logs |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) in 20 years...infinite |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) with the rest of the materials from the meetings |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) Thanks |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:11) you people shoudl really let the chat scroll on a public screen somewhere - the one above and behind the board would be good. Then the board would really be accountable. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:12) They did that yesterday, but it was MUCH too small to read. |
| <olliheinemann> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:12) hmm, i want them now and cheap |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:12) one would lead to the other |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:12) I don't feel represented by ICANN |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) A FORMAL request that ICANN reads these comments periodically as they are given--in REAL Time |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) Shoot, they don't represent users either. I'm losing patience with this... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) Fokler is making some nice comments. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) They represent TM holders and corporations |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) whatever sounds good at the time (Clinton administration) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) voice of reason had cool comments |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:13) Hey,..I'm VOR--Voice of Reason!!....Cool |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) right on |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) who was just speaking |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) I didn't expect that!!!! |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) Teri you were strong |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) That was Ken Fokler. A rare "good guy" in all of this |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) i will write that down |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) barely back |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:14) Chris, who is Ken (ie, what's he do etc.?) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:15) okay, break time. I have to... um... use the facilities in a bad way :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:15) Hi Diane. Nice to see you. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:16) Not a big crowd there, is there. |
| <DianeCabell> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:17) Hello, Judith. I'm still trying to access the scribe's notes. I |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:17) took me a minute; but I've got them now. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:18) actions speak louder than words ICANN |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:18) Hi DIane: Loved your syllabus on the UDRP! |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:18) sound still OK? |
| <DianeCabell> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:18) Thank you so much. Lots more to do. Send me your suggestions, please! |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) michael is right - the real work of icann is done by the community - the board is only there to ignor it |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) Anyone know how I can e-mail Ken Fokler before tomorrow?.. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) The GAO paper just endorses them even more unfortunetly |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) MC - almost no attenuation ... |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:19) I was thinking the same thing Teri |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:20) no, there is no authority for the root, or transfering it to ICANN |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:20) I really need to get a message to him.. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:20) in the report |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:20) Dept of Commerce still controls the Root! |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) Looks like it will be fought over between State and Commerce |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) How did you do that? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) MC, right now I'm glad it does. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) State is international |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:21) Yep |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:22) This is just a reiteration of the ICANN acceptance of the GAO report. Yuck |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:22) WHAT CONSENSUS? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) dog and pony show |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) darn...no wherewithall |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) John, I submitted a question. Am I too late? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) All they care about is money |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) Is there a rep. from the Dept of Commerce at these meetings |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:23) paying their travel expenses |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:24) dennis, I don't know if they're going to take comment on the reports |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:24) but all the comments get kept in the archive |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:24) good question |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:24) John -- I kinda thougt.... |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:25) is Egypt listed as a receivable? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:25) so they havn't been audited -- shameful to speculate - about 4.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:26) How much does Mike get monthly? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:26) (wasn't it like $18,000 or something like that?) |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) That's to a private consulting company that places him with ICANN |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) did anyone figure out which icann officer's corp got that quarter-mill mentioned in the lat note of the most recent audit? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) about, and it didn't include his business expenses |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) That also shares his address |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:27) I guess so |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) Roberts gets it |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) 18000 a month is darn good money |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) interesting to see that they want to extend the loans; the disclosure statement on the ICANNsite mentions that they've executed one-year unsecured loans but doesn't say on what date they were executed. |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) I had lunch with Jon Postel just before he died |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) and |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:28) nothing like having a working capital reserve (for a non-profit) |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) he was looking for a CEO who was retired or didn't need a salary |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) Mike is hired out to icann via a private consulting company he personally owns. let's not try to make a tax dodge into anything of substance |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) or at leats would work for under $50k |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) is it established fact that the unspecified consulatncy is roberts's? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) I don't understand how this could ever be fair when no one I am aware of voted for these people |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:29) Jon's vision was for a caretaker to look after ICANN |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:30) Nope, they seated themselves after Jon died. |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:30) not according to the GAO. <cough> |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:30) Napolean said Realpower is assumed |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:30) So ICANN hired local accountants, and then outside accountants to audit the reports of the local accountants ... didn't Roberts just say they have no money? How're they hiring all these people? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) there's always the Open Root Server Consortium |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) not what they have now |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) Didn't the GAO describe how they took their seats? Maybe it was another report I read. |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) by not paying JDRP. i.e., by hiring their lawyers when the bills get too big. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:31) This is all coordinated BS, they know already what they are going to do |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) you are correct, MC |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) (yesterday someone on the board asked if they couldn't outsource their financial management - that being the preparing and mailing of 21 invoices.) |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) who's this old goat who's talking about accounting - anyone know here name? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) I thougt it was clear from the GAO report that they grabbed the opportunity to fill the void when Postel died |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Scribe says Linda Wilson. |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Baptista, a friendly reminder that "this old goat" is not an appropriate way to refer to anyone, ICANN board member, audience member, or fellow remote participant. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Bob, that's what I thought it said. Thanks |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Please adjust your word choice accordingly. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Ray with the Open Server if we culd just get Microsoft to put it in there software we wouldn't need ICANN or the A root thoughts? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) Oh, yeah, can you see Esther stuffing envelopes? |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:32) the claim that they don't have adequate resources to do X, Y, or Z is typical. when i asked dyson why they hand't psoted the SBA letter from LA, she said they didn't have a webmaster. |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:33) Look - stop playing gramar with me - who is she? |
| <RayFassett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:33) MC...that day is coming (can not be stopped) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:33) MC, forget it. Use Linux. Do you want to support a TM monopoly? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) This is interesting ... |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) really I am not that technically savvy but that was the first thought I had to make it work |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) Got half my question in thanks to Peter D-T! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) Good question! |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:34) wasn't the root supposed to be transferred on 30 sept? if so, the GAO report was a royal punt. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) I'm using RedHat/ Communicator - discovered in this chat room I can't cut & paste into the Java applet chat window |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) and that failure to reach a conclusion on that point was a resounding non-endorsement, imo. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) don't give the root to ICANN please no |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) Use the SuperRoot |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) hm, 'whatever ownership means.' |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) http://www.dns-root.org/ |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) Oh gawd, he's doing the Clinton "how do you define sex" thing ... |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:35) Do not give control of the A ROOT server to ICANN they wuld just consoliddate there power |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:36) Chris, is anyone there from DoC? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:36) Oh, Becky's here. |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:36) The Department of Commerce IS THE BIGGGGG PLAYER HERE !!!!!!!! |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:36) how is Becky? |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) this is really serious, what burr's saying. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) Is Becky telling the truth? there's no question that about transfer of operation of the root? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) How about the IP contained therein, Becky? Does DOC own that? |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) no - not the ip - that's a real headach |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) Chris, |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:37) yes, they can, but not the ownership |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:38) That's not what the GAO report sys |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:38) oh god no |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:38) operational *management*. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:38) Is Abril a member of the dept of commerce? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) mc, no |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) "operational management" - like outsourcing? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) red tape city |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) judith, yeah. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) Did she just not confirm Thrush' original question? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:39) They want a guarantee for reliability & robustness & I assume consnsus for entry |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:40) We need to get the word out to .web supporters that they need to contact Burr and let her know that if IOD's .web isn't admitted, it's a clear sign that ICANN doesn't care about experience and stability... |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:41) "Disqualify" |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:41) not to mention the fact that 15000 registrations represent a vote |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) Or the US registrations represent many votes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) Trying to wrap brain around root question - Burr said its unclear if DOC has the authority, but then DOC will make that decision? Is that it? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) Chris can you send all .web holders a email with her info |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) christopher - have you contacted your registrants and encouraged them to join the various parts of icann - quite a force there |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) The lawyers are on it in DC. They don't know right now. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) Judith: that is what I heard. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:42) I'm gettin a "404 |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) .Joe, yes we have |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) on the slide |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) excellent |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) no wonder their closing out the icann@large - now that's a joke itself |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) Which says to me that the query was accurate - ICANN's a bad bet. no? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) Leah, me too. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) So much for robustness |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:43) But, that only goes so far. We need to find a way to get a BROADER amount of people involved supporting ALL pioneer registries. |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) I agree |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) I agree, we carry .WEB in the SuperRoot |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) And .GOD.. ;-) |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) We need to have the zone file adopted by ICANN |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) How do we do that? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) Chris, submit a blurb to me so I can post in on TLLobby |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:44) yes - and god loves you and blesses you for it - i got a memo to that effect,. bless you |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) Can you resend an email to all registrants again? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) What is this guy talking about? I can't open his URL .,.. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) Well, there have been a lot of people who contacted ICANN in support of .web, but I would personally like to see a couple orders of magnitude more make the argument of experience, pioneer preference, and first use. Leah, I'd rather you say something in your own words. I never want to put words in anyone's mouth. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) Actually, there is consensus in the ORSC & SuperRoot Consortium root zones |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) the a-root, Judity |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) The page cannot be found |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) oops Judith |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) This link is a 404 error as well and the next |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) How the zones are set up |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:45) Interesting, as well, that the vast support for .web in the public comments forum were IGNORED in the report given today. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:46) Yeah, I noticed that |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:46) Remember, kids, the ICANN support staff are reading this, and seem to be fixing the URL even now. |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:46) the correct URL to Murai's presentation has now been posted to scribe's notes. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:46) yes, the last link works |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:47) Ben, is this chat being archived as well? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:47) looks like the UN there |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:48) i thank all of your comments on glitches -- it 's helpful so that I don't adjust my controls . . . |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:48) Thanks Ben |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) yes, chat is archived. you'll see yesterday's chat is posted in the archive. today's will be done the same way. |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) it sure does |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) Root server operators are free agents right now. Wonder if any of them would take a $1 million contract to list .web in their computer (which is their and under nobody else's control)... interesting thought. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) (merely idle speculation) |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:49) Ask Vixie |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) what is the point here with this speaker? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) im a bit lost sorry |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) Chris, I wonder what would/will happen if the root server operators decide they don't like ICANN? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) Now that's a good question for stability of the internet. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) lol |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:50) You can't buy the DoD servers |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:51) Ken Stubbs is coming up. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:51) The TM people will probably threaten them too. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:51) Bets that he still doesn't answer the question? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:51) Everyone is assuming (and you know what that means) that all the root server operators will continually agree to cooperate with ICANN once it is set free from the USG. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:52) stubbs?????? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:52) Nestor: he wants ICANN to take over the worlds root servers. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:52) Ken decides that he's not ready to talk and wants to gather his thoughts. I will refrain from speculation :-) |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:52) That is an interesting point LG |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:53) thanks for the translation . . . (it was all mumblings at this end . . .) |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:53) Is there not the possibility that they will tire of being dictated to by the IP sector and a private corporation? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) what in general is thi about? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) If so, would that not pave the way for the OPEN RSC and others to converge and become viable? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) murai and aso presentations are linked off the agenda now |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) What did he just say? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:54) Too much animosity against the ORSC |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) this is bad :-( (it's undecipherable . . .) |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) No the ORSC should be the one |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) Im running out of windows for all these things lol |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) The ORSC have worked with the net community |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:55) for a long time and got the consensus ICANN haven't |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:56) got - all they have is TM disputes |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:56) Good point |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:56) Pretty astute observation, Bob. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:57) The root zone file that ORSC/SuperRoot distribute should be adopted by ICANN |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) I was using Open RSC as an example. There are a few that are viable and as a consortium or simple agreements to carry all of them, the entire thing could challenge the a-root. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) Solves so many problems about who, how, when & why to introduce TLDs |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) It's already been done! |
| <KristyMcKee> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) Can we sell class C's like domains are sold? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) I agree that ICANN should include them, but not adopt. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:58) I don't understand the difference |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) If they adopt, then all would fall under ICANn policies. That is not the goal, is it? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) Depends on how they are implemented |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) brb |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) Surely the ORSC would have that ball still? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) Just inside ICANN |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 22:59) If they simply carry the roots as the alternates do now, they could be implemented like they do the ccTLDs, where each has its own autonomy and policies |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:00) Exactly |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:00) they do not have to use UDRP, for instance, nor do they have to conform to the registrars agreements. Get it? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:00) How do we make a motion for ICANN to do this? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:01) domain name holders could make their choices to risk or not to risk based on each registry's conditions |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:01) Beats me, Bob |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) Bob, you can submit a public comment as such, for what good it'll do |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) There would also be an aggregation where registries work with current registrars |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) IPVesion6 - explanation please? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) I could do that, but it's not a motion before the board |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) It' |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:02) I would think that as long as the root server system has proven its reliability there should be no prohibition to its inclusion |
| <MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) i wish Arano had used one of those translators. i say that with humility. maybe it's just because i speak and listen like a Texan |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) IMPORTANT COMMENTS FROM BURR |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) she is the one to write yes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) can you raise the volume? |
| <SimonHiggs> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:03) Who is to the right of Esther on the panel? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:04) my volume's fine. it's the accent. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:04) IP version 6 has to do with the allocation of IP address blocks |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) Mike roberts is smiling and nodding at everything Burr is saying. |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) volume video good |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) Like he will do anything else |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) Bite the hand Mike! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) I can't hear her ... ok well |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:05) oh well |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:06) Esther dismissed Burr before anyone could ask her a question |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:06) What did you expect? |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:06) all these committes jeeeesh |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:06) I like the scribes interpretation of what Becky said |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) Reads really well |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) Ben, has the volume gone down? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) volume is fine |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) The volume went down here too...I was able to turn it up locally |
| <RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:07) yep, fine here too. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) k, Judith, we have an answer here. |
| <RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) It has fluctuated in spots, I noticed. |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) extension will be very limited |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) Did Burr imply an indefinite extension to the MoU? |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) Dennis, just the opposite, I think |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:08) That's unfortunate |
| <RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:09) This is truly an amazing process. I am reading the scribe, participating in a chat, and watching the webcast. I am no newbie, but its really interesting. |
| <NestorRequeno> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:09) What is Burr's position at the DoC? |
| <MatthewPappas> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:09) ditto Roger. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:10) roger, thanks... |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:10) Roger, it's fun, in a boring sort of way :) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) GAC advises ccTLDs to pay the ICANN bills |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) better then tv |
| <LeahGallegos> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) It's a small, small world... |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) I want my .Web |
| <RogerKeating> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) leah, lol |
| <MC> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 23:11) Trademark that Chris |
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