| Nickname - Message |
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| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 19:54) Greetings, folks. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 19:55) The meeting should start within the next few minutes. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 19:56) Hey Meg |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 19:56) We may be crowding the field a bit. I'll sign off. |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:13) why do icann meetings ever start on time? |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:15) how nice - i remeber those kids - good questions |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:15) Heya Joe! |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:16) Hi Denise - here we go. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:16) ONce more with feeling, eh? |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:16) if your gonna sing - ya gatta do it with love. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:17) You got it! |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:18) they all look a little raty - or more appropriately - jet laged. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:19) Agreed -- John and Ben, hope you took lots of melatonin? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:19) been sticking with water |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:19) That's Roberto talking??? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:19) works fine for me... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:19) this lag is better than cairo IMO |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:20) Sorry I've missed you for a year now at John Harvard's pub, John/Ben/Jon |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:21) Loaded question! |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:22) Based on Roberto's conduct today - I bet his pal Shaw from the ITU is there and they have been partying all night |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:23) looks like it's badly attended? Can you guys scan the room? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:23) maybe 100 people |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:24) big room, and the scans mess with the rm stream pretty badly |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:24) john - what was the ga attendance in cairo??? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:25) I don't recall |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:25) ok |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:25) but check the icann/cairo archive |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:25) that'll give some idea I suppose |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:25) sorry |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:26) poor eliabeth - she's in need of creating a job for herself. are alot of peopl there jet lagged - it looks it. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:27) Hi Bret: beautiful work you did on the Elections/Nominations Committees! Thanks! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:32) 136 Members of the GA last time I looked! |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:32) order ? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:33) Huh? |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:35) can we have a live audio feed only - i really don't need the4 video. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:35) sorry, we're not in a great position to do live audio only today. may be able to do it for tomorrow. |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:35) no one gares about the GA these days. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:36) (didn't bring as much equipment to yokohama as to prior meetings.) |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:36) excellent Ben - that would be nice. |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:36) i heard your luggage was delayed |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:36) here we go fireworks - time |
| <BretFausett> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:37) good question |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:37) Bret- you missed my last comment to you. Loved your work ont he Elecitons/Nom Coms! Thanks. |
| <BretFausett> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:38) Thanks. (I had to drop off and re-boot.) |
| <BretFausett> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:43) Is he reading from something that has been publicly posted somewhere? Did the ISP constituency make a formal proposal to ICANN? |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:45) upi cam |
| <BretFausett> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:45) oooh, I like the fade. That's new. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:46) the local hosts have some wonderful camera work going on. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:46) actually, the local hosts have been wonderful all across the board |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:48) whois lookups won't let you search by the person who registered anymore will they? |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:49) Makolee, I believe that's right. Some value-added whois search providers may be able to do that. |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:50) Edelman: do you know why that was removed? |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:51) who runs the centralized whois? or maybe who else? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:52) mako, ben is scribing |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:52) I'll grab his attention in a sec |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:53) and get an answer |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:53) ok? |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:53) JohnWilbanks: oh, no rush at all i understand |
| <BretFausett> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:54) Huh? |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:54) no one runs a centralized whois as yet. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:54) there's talk of implementing one in the future. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:54) some entities, i.e. iwhois.com (I think) run some services you may be interested in. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:55) but there's talk of making changes to the whois protocols to better facilitate machine-intermediated centralization that's more efficient than current bubble-gum-and-duct-tape approaches. |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:56) ben - that's incorrect information - lots of people and organizations run unofficial centralized whois servers - they act as referal servers to all the whois databases |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:57) i think a better system is necessary but a single centralized database is still troubling, if not bad design.. would icann run it? |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:57) and the most recent copy of bsd contains a whois command which is smart - and can look up the correct whois server - it was originally written by R. Sexton ;-) |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 20:58) i suspect a centralized registry would be cost prohibitive |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:00) John, I submitted a question (substantive I hope) a second ago. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:01) got it, waiting for the time when they take floor comments |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:01) Thanks! |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:02) ok - this noncom is just a YJ sales job for i-dns - ver lame |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:03) Got to go; I'll see you folks later tonight |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:03) I was on WG-B. Excuse my gagging! |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:03) MegSmith: see you |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:05) something that makes sense! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:05) dennis, they are going to take comments after the reports are done |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:05) and after the coffee break (10:30 local time) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:05) just fyi |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:05) Thanks John. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:07) Chris Chu for President! I'll organize the Mass. committee. |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:08) DennisSchaefer: oh yes.. i'll be the second member |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:10) Makolee: !!! |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:10) YJ's done a good job in stacking the Noncomm with asian groups. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:13) Small business -- oh sure! The one's losing their DN's to the UDRP! |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:20) who sponsored the coffee break? |
| <RaulBernardino> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:20) HI any body active there? |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:21) I'm here. |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:21) ya... |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:21) Coffee break sponsored by Dotster and Image Online Design. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:21) See http://www.icann.org/yokohama/sponsors.html |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:21) Image Online Design? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:22) Ben -- who picked music? Can I request Ojala que llueva cafe? Here is Mass the group is quiete popular. |
| <RaulBernardino> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:22) I just coming in to read ur discusion on Icann |
| <BretFausett> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:22) I'm dropping off. Back on in an hour or so. |
| <RaulBernardino> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:23) what updates u have |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:32) Hay Joe! How are you??? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:32) Hi everyone else |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:33) What is the topic presently??? |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:34) good jeff and you |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:34) were having a break |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:34) Great!! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:34) Ahhhh I see... ok... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:34) Kinda interesting rules on this eh? |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:35) i'll be back here in 10 minutes - right now still monitoring email for gods troops |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:35) remember jeff - no fruit cocktail discussions |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:35) Hi Jeff -- s'been a while |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:35) Well good Joe! Onward Christian soldiers! >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:36) Dennis! Hay guy, how ya doing??? Yeah been awhile!! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:36) Oh I've been hovering nearby! You're doing well I hope? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:37) Oh yeah! Great here! >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:37) So what are the rleevant questions or discussion topics here presently? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:37) Glad to hear it. We going to make any headway this time? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:39) Good question there Dennis. I teems from the rules when I logged on here that headway will be arbitrarely difficult though... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:39) Nothing new there though Dennis, eh? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:40) Hi DavidFarrar what's up today?? :) |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:40) well - as far as new is concerned - the only thing new is the pasta a;fredo i'm cooking - not looking forward to anything from icann - just same old. |
| <DavidFarrar> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:40) Hi Jeff - just enjoyed a nice Friday fish & chips lunch :-) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:41) Well Dennis, you are likely right. But let's give them a chance at least... |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:42) Did you see that Esther sent a letter to the House of Lords protesting the Regulatory Investigative Procedures act? When things like that happen... I kinda get my hopes up. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:42) David, great! Luv fish, but not much on the chips myself.... >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:42) I am enjoying pheasent Diane at the moment... >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:43) Woops! Looks like John and Ben got bumped, eh??? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:43) Hi RobynCummins what's up today?? :) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:44) WAKE up RobynCummins.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:44) Woops! looks like David got bumped as well... :( |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:46) could someone announce when the meeting starts so i can reconnect. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:46) I will Joe |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:46) baptista: if no one else does, i will |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:46) thanks to all of you |
| <edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:52) Folks, the meetings will resume in a few more minutes. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:53) Ok thanks Ben! >;) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:54) jeff, I've received your comments |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:55) but they're directed to the Board |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:55) so I'd recommend submitting them tomorrow |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:55) when the board is around |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:58) who provided the funding? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 21:59) Ok John. Thank you for the input |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:00) John, do they need to be resubmitted? Or can the be included in tomarrows discussion when the Board is around? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:00) (john tips hat) no problem, sir... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:00) makolee, What funding are you refering to? >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:01) hi JayBregman! >;) |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:01) Hi Jeff |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:01) Jeff-INEGroup: the one that was just mentioned.. right before my sound cut out. :) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:01) jeff, you'll want to resubmit them tomorrow |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:01) as they're still recorded in today's comments under non-substantive |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:02) not that they're not substantive, but that they're not in order today... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:02) ok? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:02) Ohhh, Well I guess I missed that. Do you remember who that was, makolee? |
| <DavidFarrar> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:02) What agenda item are we on? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:02) JohnWilbanks, Ok I guess so.... :( |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:02) I read a comment by dennis schaefer |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:02) and a double comment by nestor requeno |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:03) they're noted as read on the pages if you refresh |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:03) David, I think the topic is DNSO funding... Not sure though... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:04) JohnWilbanks, ok thanks again! >;) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:04) reminder, refresh your broadcast pages at the change of meeting sections |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:04) and select the current subject in your comments |
| <DavidFarrar> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:04) Thanks Jeff |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:04) so I can see 'em easier and get them into the pipeline |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:06) Joe --- the meeting has resumed. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:08) JohnWilbanks, What are the current subjects???? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:08) Discussion |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:09) Discussion on what??? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:09) sorry, discussion is the subject |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:09) from the agenda |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:09) Yep that is what I thought... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:09) it seems to be freeform |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:09) LOL! okkkkk... Hummmm? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:09) I can only tells ya what I sees... |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:09) these are mailing list rules still right? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:10) mako, yes they are doing mailing list rules |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:10) at the moment |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:10) ok, now we got it streight... >;) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:12) Camera work is beautiful! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:13) DennisSchaefer, Is that a joke Dennis??? >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:13) Where is CNN I wonder??? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:14) Hi Wendy! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:14) Jeff-- not at all: i love the fades and the angle shifts. (CNN, I admit, it aint'!) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:14) Hi Wendy |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:14) Dennis, Ahhh thought so! LOL! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:15) Hi Judith!!! >;) |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:15) Judith, welcome! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:15) Hi Jeff, Dennis.. :-) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:15) Hi kero what's up today?? :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:15) Is the meeting over? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:15) Nope... |
| <WendySeltzer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:16) (trying to figure out the various interfaces and windows here) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:16) Can I open another window simultaneous with this and view it? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:16) Yeah you can... |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:17) Another window at the same time as chat? Yes, the chat, scribe's notes, and scribe's notes + video should each pop up in separate windows. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:17) <Scribe> 3. Peter Dengate Thrush: GA's purpose must not be only to listen but not discus. Rather, must deliberate to help the NC make progress. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:17) Your main broadcast page (with links and all the rest) should remain in the background. |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:17) Hotlinks from the scribe's notes should open yet another window. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:17) OK, I've got the scribe notes open. Yea, that's what I see. Dare I ask, what exactly is he referring to? |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:17) If anything, I would think the worry woul dbe having too many windows. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:18) Edelman, Yep that can be a problem for some folks... |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:18) Jeff -- did you hear Peter say that? I confess poor hearing ont his one. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:18) Dennis, no copied it from the scribe channel... |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:18) Whew! Can't believe Peter would advocate such a thing |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:18) <Scribe> ˇGaetano: New gTLDs are on the agenda. We'll definitely discuss this topic. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:20) Is there audio on this too? |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:20) Audio on what? On the chat? No. But there's definitely audio associated with the RealVideo feeds. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:22) Scribe> ˇGaetano: New gTLDs are on the agenda. We'll definitely discuss this topic. But oppose the principle of discussing each individual resolutions from each constituency. Better to think of the task at hand as discussing the issue itself, not these particular resolutions - more productive. Let's start to discuss specific issues. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:24) Jeff -- think the public comments filed on the ICANN site will be reviewed -- mentioned? Or is that only for the BOard? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:26) Pardon me while I explode. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:27) Yeah right --- while Working Groups continue to make individuals second class citizens! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:30) Dennis, I really don't know wheather the ICANN Board is really reviewing anything presently... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:31) Dennis, I agree with you here that the DNSO has systimatically attempted to block some groups participation in Working groups... |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:33) Jeff -- I resigned from WG-B in disgust when they insisted on organizing activitiies that only 9-5 professionals in the field could participate in. Left me out int he cold -- and I had a burning emtoional interst int he issue since my son's domain name had been ripped off by a Famous Trademark owner. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:33) <Scribe> 2. GA supported the Individual constituency in Santiago. No response from ICANN Board - not rejection (which would provide a means to improve the charter for subsequent re-application), but silence. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:34) John you getting my questions??? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:35) yup, getting ready to read one. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:35) ok great! >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:35) <Scribe> 4. After some revisions, charter is now robust. --- What charter are they talking about? IDNO's??? or the DNSO's? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:35) IDNO I believe |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:36) Jeff-INEGroup: i think he's been talking about IDNO the whole time |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:36) as it's joop talking |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:37) network hickups? my rm died too |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:37) ditto |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:37) ok thought so audio seems bad here... |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:38) someone found the off switch on the room's hub |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:39) (awaiting Jeff's comment ... ?) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:40) makolee, How convienant! Just as my comment/question was being read.... Hummmm? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:40) Hi HarinderSandhu! >;) |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:42) i have no rm.. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:43) makolee, I don't either... :( <sigh> |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:43) the video |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:43) makolee, they need CNN bad!!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:44) Has the Scribe screen frozen? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:44) we lost IRC briefly |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:44) Mine's slow-issimo. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:44) you may want to reestablish the link |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:44) JohnWilbanks: what about the video |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:45) and remember, static (and searchable) versions of the notes are available too |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:45) from the broadcast page |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:45) video, is hossed.... |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:45) whoa? what petition? that was way out of context |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:46) You missed a minute of video and scribe's notes. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:46) try english backup one of the double pane |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:46) it's working from here |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:46) more than a minute of video.. i still dont' have it |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:46) None of the feeds work for you? Have you tried them all? All the backups? |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:47) Edelman: no not.. yet.. ahh.. i got one that works |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:47) for the benefit of others, which works for you? |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:47) backup 1 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:48) we're working on it |
| <Edelman> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:48) a portion of our external connectivity is down. realservers backup 1 and 2 should still work. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:49) <Scribe> 1. Gaetano: Note that GA can't create a working group. NC creates WGs. Can forward a request to the NC. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:49) All I can say to this is, yeah right Roberto! Pleeeeessseee!!!! |
| <NestorRequeno> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:49) Thanks makolee !!!!! -- Back up 1 is on -- I had no audio/video for about 20 minutes |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:50) NestorRequeno: both backups works, but the quality is signifigantly worse.. but at least we can hear! :) |
| <NestorRequeno> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:51) true |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:51) John, I submitted a comment |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:51) Seems to be bandwidth issue. Backups work but at 20Kbs |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:52) what is the motion? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:52) Blaise, Well that is no excuse. Japan should be very easily able to supply the band width.... Sheeeesh! |
| <NestorRequeno> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:52) What is it [i.e., the motion]??? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:53) Good question.... |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:53) http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc05/msg00202.html |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:54) Yep that's it! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:54) Yahoo! |
| <makolee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:54) ok, alright.. :) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:54) I bet WXW is spinning around in circles about now... ROFLMAO! |
| <KristyMcKee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:55) I'll just bet he is! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:55) Nw Topic: XI. Introduction of new gTLDs |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:55) !!! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:57) <Scribe> A. Image Online Design doesn't participate in any constituency. Favor new TLDs, both generic and charter. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:57) Sounds like Chris is on the floor... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:58) Next will be his pitch for .WEB. Hope he get's it! |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:58) Bandwidth. Perhaps Japan needs some telecom assistance. I would set up a mirror site if it would help to rebroadcast here [in the USA]. However, I still would need to be able to connect at @least 80-100Kbps. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 22:59) Blaise, Well they need some sort of assistance.... |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:00) Probably this is something that we could work on for next meeting. It would require some programming. |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:00) However, I am willing to do what ever. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:02) Blaise, good answer and should be addressed ASAP... |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:02) Jeff, I do think that Harvard is do a lot of the bandwidth. They work very hard to make these programs work |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:02) <has> not <is>: sorry |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:03) Blaise, not Harvard is not responsible here. But ICANN is in part, as well as the other sponsers for this confrence.... |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:03) Shoot. "is doing a lot of work providing bandwidth ..." |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:04) Blaise, Nonsense.... The bandwidth is out there.... It is a matter of being willing to "PAY" for it. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:05) NTT for instance has the bandwidth in Yokohama.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:05) But they ain't a "Charity" organization.... |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:05) OK. Who is NTT? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:05) Nippon Tele& telegraph |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:05) Of course |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:06) So if you Pony up the $$ than you can get the Bandwidth.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:06) Even in Yokohama!!! |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:06) I see YJ has been pushing i-dns at the NONCOMM meetings ;-) what a sales woman she is |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:06) I thought that the Real content was made possible by the http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/ area |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:07) blaise - we're doing some of the serving and some of the serving is being done by the local hosts |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:07) iDNS is a good idea... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:07) actually there's tons of bandwidth |
| <kero> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:07) 3.6Gbps in total , fyi. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:08) but some network troubles blocking it |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:08) I wouldn't jump to blame the local hosts |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:08) as this is by far the most network we've had |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:08) in any of the meetings since 1998 cambridge ma |
| <kero> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:08) But as a local host, I do apologize for the trouble happening right now.. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:08) WIDE has done marvelous work. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:08) Not jumping here John. Just never seen this sort of interuption except with ICANN meetings... Why is that? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:09) Jeff, next time you drop a gigabit line into a hotel |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:09) lemme know and I'll log in and see how steady the traffic routing is! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:09) just pointing out |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) the technical challenges here... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) JohnWilbanks, No problem, except I will provide a sat-link of 662 gigabit uplink instead. Much easier and much more reliable... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) but that's why we have backup servers running from harvard |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) back to the salt mines. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) John, good idea.... |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) what happened to the 80kb feed? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:11) joe, some local net traffic |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:11) OK John. I know this is taking a lot of work. I didn't realize you had Gps. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:11) try the non-enhanced feeds |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:11) The local hosts put in the Gps - and it will be back up soon |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:11) :- |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:12) :-), I mean |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:13) :) |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:15) If there is any assistance I can provide from here, as in a mirror, I would be happy to do so. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:15) IF you could second this motion, that would be helpful ;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:17) <Scribe> ˇGaetano: Note that many people have left the GA meeting hall. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:17) KristyMcKe, What motion??? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:18) "business is poorly represented in ICANN??!" |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:18) JudithOppenheimer, Seems that way here... |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:18) I have chosen to abstain from voting at this moment |
| <KristyMcKee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:18) followed by IBM - let's talk poorly represented |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:19) ... the difference between an "individual internet user" and an "individual domain name holder" is? |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:19) abstain |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:19) Review resolution fromTeernstra comes up "page cannot be found" |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) typical |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) need more deliberation |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) JudithOppenheimer, You sure, I got it fine! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) Jeff, email it to me? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) ore diliberation on what? |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) abstain |
| <KristyMcKee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) the server is busy - ing out |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) ok Judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:20) tank you ;-) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:22) Judith, ok done |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:24) I love that - ICANN's membership orcess is kept difficult on purpose - hell - they should make an IQ test mandatory - and finger printing at your local cop shop. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:24) plus a poll tax, joe! |
| <KristyMcKee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:25) what did he say? |
| <baptista> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:25) it's all so silly - look at that meeting - no one cares - their all shell shocked from the jorney. |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:26) Thank you. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:26) well goodnight folks, it's time for their real meeting to begin. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:26) Jeff -- will you be in LA? |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:26) Will you broadcivil soc. meeting? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:27) DennisSchaefe, La for what??? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:27) The Civil Society Petition looks great. I added my name to the list of signatures. |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:28) broadcast Civil Society Meeting? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:28) Judith, wehre is that Petition? |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:28) was what I meant to input |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:28) Dennis, what did you mean by me being in LA? FOr what?? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:29) Jeff -- I meant the Nov. meeting. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:29) November ICANN meeting you mean??? Upcomming??? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:30) Judith, where is that Petition? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:33) Jeff, I'll email it to you. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:33) Judith, ok great! >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:34) I wonder why ICANN is making participation to the At-Large difficult purposfully? |
| <Blaise> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:34) Ave-Lallemant adjourns for refreshmenst and discussion |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:35) Of course refreshments! Dancing girls too??? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:37) is everyone out to lunch? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:37) either literally or figuratively..... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:37) Hi Milt, by Milt (gotta run!) |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:38) running at 11:45 pm? sounds dangerous in NYC |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:38) Hi Milton! How the hell are ya??? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:38) Jeff, baby! Let's do lunch! |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:38) Hi Milton |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:39) Hey Dennis |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:39) Milton, sure any time! I'll even bye! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:39) Milton, What is your favorite place? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:39) Every attempt to see the RealVideo crashes my entire computer. Wassup? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:40) Individuals got a leg-up at the AM session,Milton -- thanks in no small part to Non COms and Internet Democracy |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:40) Milton there is some Network problems hossing up the pipe |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:40) Good -- Hans K. to the rescue! |
| <Teri> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:40) Are they going to into new gTLDs by end of this year? If not, that is bogus imho |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:41) Dennis, Yep it looks that way to me too. Also seems like the DNSO meeting was ended a bit premature due to lack of interest.... |
| <Teri> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:41) BTW, I was VOR on the gTLD board |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:41) Milton, So where is you fav eats at Milton? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:41) Dennis, what was the AM session, DNSO? GAC? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:41) DNSO GA |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:42) Jeff: There's a great Tex-Mex place here in Syracuse called the Mission |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:42) I know you like Texas food, you INEG guys |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:42) Milton, Tex-Mex, huh? Well ok.... Your choice. >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:42) Milton, I will be out your way soon by the way... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:43) Hey, great, you can land your corporate jet in my backyard |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:43) Milton, Nope Tex-Mex is not my fav. I prefer German food. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:43) Better bring it with you, then. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:43) Milton, No I usually fly commercial... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:44) Dennis, so what happened that was good? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:44) Milton, My corp aircraft is a Curtis stearman... :( |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:44) ah. mine's a Fokker....a real mother fokker |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:45) Milton, WOW! Nice... D7? or Triplane? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:45) They passed a resolution to ask for a vote affirming "current constituencies do notadequately represent the Net .... an individuals' group is needed." It passed! (Sure woke me up!) |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:45) Triplane of course |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:46) Dennis: hey, that's great. The DNSO is badly broken, the whole constituency structure |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:46) Milton, ok Well Cavanaugh in the Addison area might be interested in buying that baby.... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:46) needs to be revised |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:46) Yep, the constituency structure has been flawed from the biginning... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:46) Well Jeff as you know we have the big antique air show in Elmira every year |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:47) The whole Constituency model is poor. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:47) I'll be barnstorming -- flying the triplane with a trailing banner with the IP address of an alternate root |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:47) Milton, Elmira Eh? Hummm? Haven't heard of that one. Oskosh I have been to several times. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:48) Oshkosh! That's in Wisconsin. We're talking upstate NY, man |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:48) Milton, Good marketing idea there! Although a bit limited.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:48) Milton, Yeah I know.... >;) |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:49) OK, I see exactly one line has popped up from the official scribe, and I've been onfor 15 minutes |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:50) We're dropping 'em like flies..... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:52) Milton, would you like my whole log on the scribes stuff that I got so far? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:52) Teri: what is "VOR" on the gTLD Board? |
| <Teri> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:52) voice of reason.......on the gtld discussion forum they had... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:53) OK, you were a frequent poster! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:53) Teri, DO you mean WG-C? |
| <Teri> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:54) no...not on WG-C....just a loud mouth on the forum |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:54) Milton, would you like my whole log on the scribes stuff that I got so far? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:54) How would you get it to me? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:54) Teri, Ok.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:54) Milton, DCC or E-Mail... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:55) Milton, Your choice... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:55) What's dcc? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:55) looks like i can get the notes from the site |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:55) DCC is an acronym for Direct Computer to Computer.... BUt it really is more like IP to IP |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:56) Milton, yeah you should be able to... I haven't looked yet. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:56) Milton, I am not sure they are compleatly udpated yet though.... |
| <NestorRequeno> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:58) What's that white (left) side of the screen? This discussion/chat? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:58) Milton, I noticed you seem to be a "Frequent Poster" on the NCDNHC list.... |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:58) Nestor, that is usually the scribe's notes for the live particiapants to see |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:59) Sometimes other documents are also pulled up, however |
| <NestorRequeno> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:59) thanks meg! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:02) o Meg, how do you think it has gone so far? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:03) So Meg, how do you think it has gone so far? |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:06) Sorry, I've just gotten back to it and am working while watching |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:07) No matter how these go, I always thin they are interesting |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:07) And a very worthwhile experiment |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:07) am back from sending out ICB ... (2 seconds under the pumpkin wire) |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:07) Sorry, that was think up there! |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:10) welcome back judith |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:11) it appears that we are sitting up late at night to watch some kind of break in the action |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:11) popcorn anyone? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:11) Folks, just wanted to let you all know the NC meeting is slated to begin at 1:30 local time, in abou twenty minutes. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:11) thanks, ben |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:12) Judith. Great glad youare back. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:12) Judith, we need to "Educate" Milton.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:13) Pass the coffee! |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:13) only if it's buttered movie style |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:13) LOL! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:13) Jeff, you were going to send me an email of the motion that passed ... ? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:14) Judith, yeah I did that already.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:14) Judith, didn't you get it??? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:16) An important issue facing the Names Council: will they allow the non-commercial |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:16) constituency to seat Dori Kornfeld? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:17) Milton, Why is that so important??? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:17) Nope, not yet. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:17) Who is Dori Kornfield? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:18) Hummmmm? Wonder why Judith? Let me check... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:18) ICANN staff has unilaterally decided that the NCC cannot delegate proxies to sit on the Names Council |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:18) I believe she is with CPSR |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:18) She is with ACM |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:18) Sorry, I must be getting my acronyms mixed up |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:18) Milton, Well the ICANN staff is daft... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:18) Kathy Kleiman, the elected NC representative, is unable to attend |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:19) She has asked that Dori be allowed to take her place |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:19) Milton, Yeah we know Milty!!! |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:19) However, some people are very pleased that Kathy isn't there. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:19) They would like to silence certain voices |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:19) Milton, I bet thery are.... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:19) So let's see whether ncc is allowed to have three voices |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:19) Milton, Seems you would as well Milty! Why is that??? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:20) gotcha |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:20) ROFLMAO! Milty is easy to get!!! >;) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:21) (kathy got stuck on a fence?) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:21) Well it is a shame Kathy couldn't attend... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:21) Kathy is about 8 months pregnant |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:21) Milton, Not a good idea for her to travel than.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:21) get outta here ... didn't know ... fence sitting bad for moms to be ... (ok I'll be nice now) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:23) So Milton, what is your excuse for wanting to silence some voices??? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:24) Jeff, I only respond to real voices, not virtual ones |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:24) i.m korean hi! |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:24) hello, chilyoon |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:24) Well Milton, real voices participate virtually sometimes you know... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:24) Hi chilyoon. |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:24) milton where are u |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:25) in beautiful upstate new york |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:25) chilyoon, He's whining about virtual participation right now... |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:25) oh realy? good |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:25) hello chilyoon |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:25) Hi chilyoon what's up today?? :) |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:26) i want to register new domain name |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:26) hi teri |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:26) Milton, Interesting for someone that is participating virtually complaining about any one else doing so, isn't it Milty??? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:27) chilyoon, Well don't use Register.com! |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:27) but jeff, we all know that you are a figment of your own imagination |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:27) no i don't |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:27) Milton, Figment??? Hummm? Your immaginiation seems pretty active... |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:28) imagination is whatever one wants it to be....that's the beauty :-) heck I have no idea what that relates to specifically...just sounded good |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:28) Milton, I am very please I at least have a immagination.. Sorta what made this country.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:29) Teri, Milty doens't believe I exist! ROFLMAO! Truely daft attitude for the professor! |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:29) when time can i register do you know? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:29) How long will the DNSO meeting last? I'm fading fast ... |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:29) Ave-Lallemant is back |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:29) we reconfigured some hardware |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:29) Judith, Have another pot of coffee! >;) |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) The DNSO meeting will likely last until about 6pm local time, then GAC comes on. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) Did the NC select this sound track via "community consensus"?? |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) highband is working great |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) Jeff, I need to swim in it ... IV it ... |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) rest of the afternoon i think judith...a few more hours |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) 6 pm local time is what in New York City? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) make that until 5pm. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) 6PM local time here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:30) is 5AM NYC time |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:31) They're going to meet for four hours? That should put them to sleep there too ... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:31) Milton, I am still waiting for a difinitive defination of "community consensus"! >;) |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:32) hi jim |
| <jim> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:32) hi there. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:32) JudithO, Well you know that Harald, Roberto and a few others can be long winded.... >;) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:32) Milt, what's the sound track? I haven't installed my real-thigamagigee yet ... |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:32) got a feeling it could get sticky....there are a lot of strong personalities at this ICANN meeting...which is Great |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:32) where i u? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:32) Judity, it basically stinks so far.... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:32) dunno. some kind of rock |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) hi kero |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) Teri, I luv strong personalitites! |
| <kero> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) hi |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) Yep...me too |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) where i u? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) Teri, >;) |
| <kero> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) I am on the tech table in Yokohama, webcasting.] |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) hey guys, we can do something with this music. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) Teri, Seems that is one of Milty's dislike of me I suppose... Ah well, such is life, eh? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:33) When Roger Cochetti speaks, play "sympathy with the devil" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:34) Jeff, it's not that kinda chat ... <grin> |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:34) i.m korean how about you? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:34) Cochetti, is an idoit, he ran the OS/2 stuff some years ago... Proff positive |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:35) Judith, What ckind of chat are you refering to??? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:35) Chilyoon, did you log on so you could register for a domain name? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:35) Judith, ROFLMAO! How about "hotchily.com"? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:36) ok its a latin beat now, can u hear it, Judith? |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:36) yes i wanted |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:36) chilyoon, well this is not the place to register a Domain Name.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:36) Milt, I just downloaded some sort of audio software, apparently what's already on my system that works for everything else, didn't work for this ... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:36) chilyoon, Call Esther Dyson... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:37) Judith, You need real vidio. |
| <bal> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:37) chily, I'll register the name for you; what is it? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:38) Hi HiroshiMorihira! How are you tonight? >;) |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:38) hey jeff, i want new domain for example .web .info etc |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:38) I get other news audio/video feeds no problem, but this said I didn't have the right sw ... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:38) I guess not too good! LOL! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:38) Judith, Yep! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:39) The scribe notes from the last meeting have vanished, they'll be logged somewhere ? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:40) Judith, You need http://www.real.com/products/player |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:40) Chilyoon, you may visit http://www.icann.org/registrars/accredited-list.html for links that you may follow to register names. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:40) so, they didn't let Dori sit |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:40) reason? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:40) Milton, Not surprising.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:40) Milton, Arbitrary I am sure.... |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:41) Abstain |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:41) they don't want critical voices on the NC |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:41) to VOTE |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:41) Milton, Yep looks that way.... Typical ICANN Staff and DNSO attitude |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:42) camera: zoom in on Roberto |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:43) Milton, Dam he is an ugly cuss! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:43) if I install the real-whatever that I downloaded during the last meeting while still up on this meeting, will my system crash? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:43) Judith, it might.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:44) Well it looks like Kori made the trip for nearly nothing.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:44) well, I guess I'll have it installed for tomorrow nite's installments of "as ICANN turns ..." |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:44) c'mon Roberto, spit it out |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:45) Milt, you do good play-by-play |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:45) what is 'rough concensus'? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:45) Roberto is communication impaired.... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:46) just seemed like he was uncomfortable telling the NC that the GA wants new constituencies |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:46) Judith, this is a good stable version of real to get: http://scopes.real.com/real/player/7/player_7.html?src=topnav,000713rpchoice_c1,000522_70_choice&dc=714713712 |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:46) Judith, Good long standing question? ICANN doesn't know either... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:46) yeah |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:46) thanks, Blaise. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:46) now you're talking, Roberto |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:47) Finnally!!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:47) *free*? How come I just shelled out $29 bucks for the one the link sent me to?! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:47) Judith, I luv free! >;) |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:47) hey kero, do u know when time can we register new domains? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:48) Judith, Hell I charge more then $29! |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:48) Well, you can get the Basic version for free. This should work fine for you. It will perform all the functions need to participate in the meeting. At the least you wil have to restart your Browser.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:48) chilyoon, Do you mean new domains in new TLD's |
| <chilyoon> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:48) yes |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:49) chilyoon, Only Esther know for sure.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:49) Blaise, thanks ... the link at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/broadcast.asp sent me to sign up for a paid version ... |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:49) That's fine too. The paid version has more controls. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:49) Judith, Go directly to the real time site I think they have a free version avalible... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:50) yes, like control over my credit card! |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:50) Seems like roberto is doing a fairly good job of representing the sense of the GA |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:50) Judith, I slways use milton credit card when ordering this crap! >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:50) Thanks Milty!!! >;) |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:50) Judith. Are you able to see what is going on now? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:51) No, Judith, if you look carefully, you'll see links on the Realnetworks.com site that are for the free version. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:51) Blaise, I've not installed the version I bought, fear of crashing, will do tomorrow |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:51) of course the GA has the right to propose things directly to the Board! |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:51) You must look *very* carefully. They hide it well. |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:51) But it is there, I promise 100%. Look at the bottom of pages. It'll say something like "RealPlayer 7 Basic is the free version of our player." |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:51) oh no |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:52) Don't worry Edelman, I'll just send you the bill <grin> |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:52) Milton, Yep that is in the ICANN bylaws... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:52) oh no what, Milt? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:52) Judith, No send it to Milty's credit card!! |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:52) stubbs, trying to obstruct |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:52) That is one reason why they call him "Stubby"! |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:52) btw, to respond to a question from long ago, the scribe's notes from this morning are in the archive, which is linked from the broadcast page at the top. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:52) pretending NC can't establish a DNSO working group. unbelievable |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:53) Milton, Nothing new there for Stubby! |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:54) Thank you, Michael |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:55) good shot of Stubbs and Cochetti, sitting close to each other and exchanging "significant looks" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:56) unless they're having a private liaison later, what do the significant looks signify? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:56) They're on the same page. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:56) 65 in favor, then what was removed from the discussion? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:57) Milton, Hell they are in the same drawers almost! >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 00:58) Swinehart is worried about getting told on... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:00) hi, brett |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:01) hey |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:01) thank god, williams is gone |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:01) Hi Bret. |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:01) I got his proxy |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:01) hi judith |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:01) yeah, suspicious isn't it. Bret joins, William goes. hmmmmmm |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:02) Who's the chair today? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:02) ken stubbs |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:02) well milton - while william was hear you certainly showed your good at showing two faces - congrats |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:04) I could volunteer to participate |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:04) Hi asdfasdf what's up today?? :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:05) Intake committee for what - individual domain holders constituency? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:05) who's that? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:05) asdfasdf, How is the ICANN person in cogneto? |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:05) REMOTE particpant wants to volunteer |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:06) Blaise, can you identify yourself please? I believe membership in the committe is open only to members of the Names Council plus the GA Chair. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:06) Blaise, what are you voluntering for? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:06) Judith, WOnderful another committee! An old political saying, if you don't want to get any thing accomplished, start a committee! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:07) Yeah Blaise! What??? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:08) INTAKE COMMITTEE FOR WHAT? |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:08) Blaise Ave-Lallemant. I was not aware that I needed to be on the names counsel to volunteer to help with the proposed Intake commitee |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:08) For and individual DOmain name owners constituency.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:08) (what are Cochetti and Roberts so set on obfuscating? (Milt, is that the right word?) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:08) However I thought that that had been voted upon earlier.... ???? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:09) well, they just segued from calls for a new constituency to a committee to set agendas for NC meetings |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:09) pretty slick |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:09) Milton, Not that slick! PRetty obvious for those that pay attention... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:10) how is agenda for NC meetings call an Intake Committee? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:11) The video quality I'm getting is excellent. Nice work. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:11) yes |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:12) Elderman, I should be part of the NC |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:13) AGAIN: This is an intake committee for what? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:13) For the NC |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:13) so the "intake committee" is a buffer (completely unnecessary) to allow the grubby masses to suggest agenda items to the NC? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:14) Is the individual constituency an "agenda item?" |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:14) i think it's been reduced to that, yes |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:14) however |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:14) damn, they do *fast* smoke & mirrors ... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:15) Judith, Nahhhhh not all that fast... Just allot of the othe participants are slow... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:15) I someone logging this IRC discussion? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:15) yes I am. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:15) there's a bot logging everything |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:15) and we'll post the chatlogs at the end of the day... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:16) Thanks. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:16) no problem. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:16) Good John... I hope it doesn't majically disappear as other logs have in the past.... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:16) and which logs have disappeared? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:16) Pindar Wong has become a VP of ICANN? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:17) News to me. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:17) Santiago logs for one... |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:17) His term expires in September anyway. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:17) Milton No small surprise. His nose is pretty brown.... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:18) jeff, please see <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/santiago/archive/> |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:18) and you'll find links to the chatlogs |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:18) BretFausett, I am sure he is running for re-election or some other "Appointment"! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:18) John, I have... Not complete. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:19) Touton's justifying that budget. |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:19) For the Record: This ICANN Meeting is NOT as it was Outlined. The Working Groups have had long enough. No Other Grougs or Intake Com. should be formed. ICANN should STAY Focused on the Issues they Presented to the Web Public. This is Ridiculous. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:19) Judith, Yeah what's his piece? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:20) Teri, Yes, but it is typically ICANN.... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:21) Hi Kim Tong Ho! How are you this evening? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:21) >;) |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:22) The ICANN Collection Agency |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:22) I know....Been watching their Actions since the beginning almost. Very disappointed. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see their agendas. When does it stop or at least slow up--their "smoke and mirrors" as someone stated? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:22) http://www.icann.org/dnso/constituency-payments-14jul00.htm ICANN needs a collection agency BIG time |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:22) How long do "WE" let them get away with this bs |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:23) Teri, THat was Judith that mentioned "smoke and mirrors". BUt none of this surprises me at all. It is a typical ICANN skewed and inprompto meeting... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:23) Teri, Untill we screem loud enough to our represensitives and congress critteres... |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:24) Mail? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:24) No postal address? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:25) Mail what Bret?? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:25) Hello. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:25) Bret, mail what? (answering Cochetti's "collections procedures? |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:25) Forget Reps and Congress. Let's do it via Mail to them ICANN directly. Heck, let's appoint ourselves to ICANN...Why not? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:25) They're mailing paper invoices by postal service. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:26) Bret, Looks that way! What decade are they in??? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:26) Did he say ICANN is undergoing an audit? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:26) They had a problem sending out 21 invoices? They're kidding, right? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:27) Judith, Nope they aren't kidding... ROFLMAO! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:27) I think that they are getting collection notices! LOL! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:27) Didn't they just say they had a staff of 10? That's 2 invoices each, yes? |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:27) ICANN should have had all this (what they are discussing now...funds, etc.) already on a spreadsheet ready for presentation...NOT discussion...Come on ICANN...The World is tiring of this... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:28) .... poor icann staff .... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:28) Teri, Nobody want's to do any work, all of them want to direct instead of work I bet that is why they don't have their collective acts together... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:29) Judith, Yeah, my hart bleeds for them.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:29) their collective collection acts together ... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:29) Judith, ROFLMAO! I tried to tell you this stuff on the phone Judith... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:29) am I the only one who thinks this would make for a great chaplain movie? woody allen maybe? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:30) Judith, Nope. A great comody... |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:31) me too judith...seriously..unbelievable that they think we are dumb? enough to not see thru them |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:32) Teri, They think that the majority of folks will believe them. |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:32) They are sooooooo wrong and it will come home to haunt them....i'll explain later..in a few |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:33) Teri, I agree. BUt they are too blind with ego to understand that I think... Sad, but likely true... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:34) hi tbyfield |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:34) Are bids for the voting system closed now? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:34) welcome |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:34) grtz |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:34) Hi tbyfield |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:35) Hi tbyfield! How are you this evening?? >;) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:35) Blaise, Looks that way, yeah... |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:35) byfield: welcome to the latest reenactment of Daumier |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:35) better than some, worse than others. (heh, daumier) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:35) Stubbs ... didn't I hear that line last night on The Sopranos ... ? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:36) Judith, Well he is a Soprano, but the traditional type if you know what I mean.... |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:37) when a "certain" product/avenue is introduced soon, it won't matter what decisions ICANN makes on their Working Groupies...bs..chit chat because the Web is fixing to be "enlightened"...but, until this "process" is protected, I can sit here and listen to ICANN meetings for the fun? of it... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:37) this is really more keystone cops than even I anticipated |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:37) odd complaint for a private-sector effort, that invoicing is too burdensome. |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:37) The non-commercial has no dues |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:38) FYI, pindar's upcoming presentation is linked off the NC Agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:38) accessible from the broadcast page |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:38) LOL! Looks like the BCP is trying to dodge it's bills/invoices too... >;) |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:39) Ah, Pindar always has powerpoint slides |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:39) So it looks like no one whants to pay ICANN anything. I wonder if that means that it isn't worth anything????? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:39) So which member of the NC survives 33 days on Pulau Tiga? |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:39) Cochetti eats them all |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:39) ah, the domed one wants to send in the repo men. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:39) Milton, Yes Pindar LOVES Powerpoint and MS! |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:40) There's Touton again, where's my sunglasses? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:40) Roberts want ot outsource financial managment again.... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:41) he wants to outsource mailing 21 invoices? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:41) Milton, Yep that Cocaine is reall wearing on him.... |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:41) tsk tsk |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:41) Are these slides on the web? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:41) Judith, Well I guess so! ROFLMAO! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:41) I'd write this stuff up, but who'd believe me ... |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:41) Who put in bids? I was apprehensive to put our bid in for developing the system, since we have not made a voting system like the requested one before. It would not be difficult, just time consuming. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:41) Judith, Just use pointers to the archives as long as the last intact.... |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:42) Will someone give them a proper label Pleassssseee....so they can do their billing...invoice to the treasurer ICANN...Business 101 |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:42) Blaise, I agree. ANything is better than what the DNSO has now... |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:42) pindar, silly, the function of the SOs is to be *inefficient* |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:43) Teri, That would be too easy or simple. ICANN doesn't do things that way... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:43) The Wong presentation is a bit of overkill, no? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:44) Judith, Wong, Wang, Yang... WHo knows... ROFLMAO! >;) |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:44) Good proposal |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:44) An audit of DNSO in its entirety |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:45) Milton, that's a good idea. FIrst one I have heard so far... BUt wait, maybe an "Intake" committee will need to be formed first... ROFLMAO! >;) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:45) lol milt! |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:46) There are 15 users on this remote right now...can we be patched in to Japan to help em out....ya know..let them know where to send things...how to invoice...etc....we could do a quickie "basic business operations" course for them |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:47) Teri, Yeah you can make comments at, http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/realtime/broadcast.asp#comments |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:47) Valid comments should be posted to the screen, as an comment from the audience would be made in the meeting room. |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:48) this is fsking unreal--ICANN, a private-sector light unto the world, wants to outsource its financial management because it's not the most efficient use of their time. uh, and what exactly *should* they be doing with their time? |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:48) whoops "...<a> comment..." |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:48) uh oh...you probably should not have told me that....i may get kicked out without "really" being there... |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:48) We would see it with the <Scribe> notes on the Real broadcast |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:48) tbyfield, "financial management" = sending out 21 invoices. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:49) tbyfield, Their time is better spent playing "Grabb Ass" Skiing, and other non-ICANN related marketing functions of course! >;) |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:49) That was painful. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:49) Bret, What was painful??? |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:49) Anything coming up worth listening too? |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:49) oh nooooooooo... the festive music. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:50) tbyfield, Yes but no dancing girls! I am soooo disappointed... :( |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:51) Well, watching Pindar put on his stone face and ask the NC to its face in his best British colonial talk whether the DNSO is working was worth the wait |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:51) But it's time to go to sleep |
| <MiltonMueller> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:51) Ciao |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:51) good night |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:51) Ciao Milty! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:51) good nite milton. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:51) Drink all your warm milk too milty! >;) |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:52) Meeting will resume at approximately 3:15 local time. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:52) Yep got that... Thanks Ben... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:52) Well well well. Looks like ICANN can't handle it's bills or invoices... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:52) which is *what* NYC tine? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:53) time? |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:53) Yes NYC time I think... |
| <BretFausett> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:54) I'm dropping off. Great work Berkman team. This keeps getting better and better. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:55) judith, that would be 2:15 AM |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:56) ~~~ groggy, lifting head out of wilted bag of potato chips ... ~~~ coffee ... coffee! |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:56) I need to go check on my girls... |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:56) judith, i hope you'll be up brrright and early to go to H2K, the hacking conf at the pennsylvania hotel tomorrow morning. :) |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:56) BRB... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:57) hacking conference? sounds like fun |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:57) Edelman, I'm not on the Names Counsel |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:58) Don't forget to mention me there at the "Hacking" Confrence!!! >;) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:59) blaise - ben has stepped away |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 01:59) Where did Joe go???? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:02) I'm outta here, y'all ... John, will look for todays and tomorrow's scribe and chat logs, yes? |
| <tbyfield> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:03) (i'll leave windows open and try to save stuff--no guarantees) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:03) cool ... see y'all manyana ... |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:04) Hasta Manyana! |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:06) Edelman, I'm not on the Names Counsel |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:06) Blaise, I think you said that already.... |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:07) Damn |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:07) LOL! >;) |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:07) Too many screens up. Did not realize. My robot assistant entered data again for me. Bad bot. |
| <Jeff-INEGroup> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:09) ok... |
| <Teri> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:10) Accidently logged off without first Thanking Everyone for their Input....And, to Edelman for providing this format and to all the Tech Staff for the opportunity to participate via this avenue!!!!...Got to go...See everyone again tomorrow night.... |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:10) Good evening/ |
| <baptista> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 02:35) test |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:02) Where is WJ from? |
| <Edelman> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:03) I believe YJ is from Korea. |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:04) Thank you |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:25) Interesting point from Jennings |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:28) What is being with $1/domain money that was agreed upon in Berlin? |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:31) "...being <done> with <the>..." |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:49) It's very sad. It's about all money - "raising funds". |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:49) It is appropriate to be concerned about "responsibilities" and "service" to the community. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 03:49) RFC1591 |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 04:30) recommend extend discussion on this issue or grant more time to discuss this issue |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 04:31) Surely it's just another delaying tactic? |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 04:43) can we see what his paper is? |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 04:44) http://hyper.link |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 04:55) test |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 04:57) The original proposed fee in 1996 was $1000. |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 05:01) What about an answer to Chris Ambler's question? |
| <Bob> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 05:03) The question needs to be answered. |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 05:03) Good night |
| <Blaise> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 05:04) Have a good evening. Hope that Japan is relaxing for all |
| <WilsonTom> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 05:07) well, how about the way they brushed off Ambler? |
| <WilsonTom> (Fri, July 14, 2000 at 05:08) any thought? |
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