| Nickname - Message |
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| <BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 12:51) Good morning, folks. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:14) Hi Rebecca. How's the schedule? On time? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:18) hi |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:20) Hi |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:24) Hi all |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:24) Ben - have you had any luck with Network improvements since yesterday? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:24) hi Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:25) When will we be able to get the feed? Anyone know? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:25) I keep hitting "refresh"... but nothing yet |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:28) brb |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:30) Cutting it fine if the meeting is on time |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:31) yesterday they were 10 - 15 minutes late |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:33) Looks like a repeat then. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:35) the link just went up! |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:35) Yep :) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:36) Webcast is going now |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:38) Hi |
| <NobuoSakiyama> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:39) Hi |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:39) Hi |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:39) The Author speaks |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:40) Nice mention for ICANNWatch :) |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:41) recognition |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:42) a new constituency ripe for co-option by ICANN-- the ICANN |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:42) hi Gary |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:43) Scrutiniser SO |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:43) hey |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:44) How much does he earn? (over $200 K?) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:45) The staff salaries are ridiculous! |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:45) Stuart Lynn's president report is linked off the agenda for this meeting and is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/lynn-presreport.html> |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:45) Who else do you think had drafting input to his alt root position paper? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:45) Joe Sims, Louis Touton and VeriSign |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:46) it was probably ghost writ by Kent Crispin |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:46) they are coming back in ??? Didn't they split yesterday ? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:47) There must be earlier drafts around-- it must have gone to some board members and other staff before posting |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:47) Why? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:47) the CCtlds will never go along with this. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:48) VeriSign agreements were signed even though 90% of the public objected |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:49) hahahhahaha ! I hope the CCtlds tell them to get stuffed |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:49) root server recognition is the only agreement required here, technical cooperation and thats it |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:50) The CCtlds are going to be a major sticking point. They aren't going to agree with any of this. Why should they pay? What does ICANN do for them? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:52) They are planning to try to get 5 CCtlds per month ?!?! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:52) It will never happen |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:52) ICANN is just one internet corporation for names-- there are several other |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:53) ICANN = Internet Corporation Against New Names |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:53) :) |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:53) internet communities/networks that can do all this much cheaper and more participatorily |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:53) absolutely right Len |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:54) What was your acronym on the public comment board again Kendall? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:54) I still don't understand why ICANN needs 3.3 million dollars to do this job |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:54) ICANN = Internet Corruption Ad Nauseum for NSI |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:55) If all the tlda mob and others had a budget for webcast and chat and scribe --and paid to meet like these bods-- it would be fantastically productive |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:56) That is the cheap part Len.. it's the Pres. and Vice Pres. salary that costs so much |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:56) Yes, NSA, ask Esther or Vint or Lynn about the short history from USG mil to CISA to SAIC to NSI to Verisigne-- no ownder they cant let go (echelon ring a bell?) |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:57) correction NSA should have been NSI, and ownder whould be wonder |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:58) does anyone have the URL for the RIR agreements? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:58) the veep speaks |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:58) get ready for some Toutonology |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:59) 1+1 = 3 |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:59) Ben, Rebecca, the scribe links have a trailing ] which gets included (on mine anyway) leading to error 404s |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 02:59) Whenever the bylaws get in the way, ICANN just changes them! No problem! |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:00) Louis Touton's Vice President's report is linked off the agenda for this meeting and is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/touton-vpreport.html> |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:01) Rebecca, your just posted link here has the same problem, a trailing > incl. in link |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:01) Tim Berners-Lee is on the panel |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:02) the semantic ICANN? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:02) verisign agreements were completed agains the will of the people |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:02) the machine-readable ICANN |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) hello all |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) No one but VeriSign and ICANN agreed to the agreement. Go read the forum. Everyone else was totally against the VeriSign agreement |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) welcome Sotiris you were in fine form yesterday |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) hi Sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) Hi Kendall |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) have i missed much aside from Toutonology? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) the President spoke... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) thanks Len.. lrt's see what happens today! :-) |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) the Great Author |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:03) let's |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:04) Deborah, Hi! |
| <Deborah> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:04) Hello |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:04) hello Leah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:04) Nobuo hello |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:04) Everyone is STILL against the VeriSign agreements (except Louis) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:04) I wonder how much VeriSign stock he got in exchange for the deal? |
| <lextext> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:05) The video looks better today. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:05) everyone, Deborah is a new addition to the club.. she's a friend of mine who's fallen victim to my outreach efforts! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:05) hi Deborah...welcome |
| <Deborah> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:05) Hello Kendall, thank you |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:05) are they going to be taking comments this time round? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:05) The rest of the world is so lucky that all these clever americans are showing us how to do things, they are so kind and concerned for our wellbeing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:05) hi James. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:05) yes... it's public comment day |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:06) hi |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:06) so why is Louis speaking? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:06) hi James |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:06) has anyone submitted any questions/comments? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:06) why were esther and vint filibustering precious time away with waffle yesterday? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:06) I will submit my question from yesterday, again.. see what happens. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:07) what about the RealNmaes dude!! what the hell was that?!?! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:07) RealNames |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:07) do it... the agenda says "Q&A/discussion" in about 3 places and the last hour is "open mic" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:07) ok, I'm submitting the following question: |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:08) He wasted some good time on a tirade |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:08) Considering the amount of money generated and exchanged within the domain name market, will the ontological status of domain names be legally established in the near future? Are domain names property or not? If so, what kind of property, and whose? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:08) but who is the chairman gatekeeping Q&A |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:08) good question |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:08) Ben or Rebecca... will there be public questions from this chat room? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:08) done |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:09) tld recognition agreements is a quick implementation option |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:09) in other words "We moved forward with out theft of .BIZ" |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:09) our theft that is... |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:09) e.g. ICANN agrees to recognise .humanrights and vice versa all cooperative like |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:10) only under verisign control |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:10) and only if VeriSign makes all the money |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:10) ah the old USGmil/SAIC/NSI/Verisign string |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:10) Verisign, afilias, and neulevel |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:10) the unholy trinity? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:10) Len, are you in OZ? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:11) CIA is hidden in that string too of course |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:11) No, Stockholm like you |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:11) hehe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:11) physically |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:11) are you in Stockholm Sotiris? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:12) only virtually, Ken. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:12) Muahahahahhaha ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:12) Kendall, it's time for another cartoon on ICANNstage.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:12) I'm working on it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:12) good. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:12) have you seen the Masters of the Univers site or whatever it is called linking off the public comment posts? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:13) no, what's the link? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:13) freidrich ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:13) landrush! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:13) special programs.. designed.. fair... schemes |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:13) no .. hang on brb |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:13) listen to Louis go! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:14) Leah, i can't believe the US Gov is allowing them to railroad you out of business |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:14) Deborah, Leah runs the original .BIZ registry.. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:14) go to Public Comments, alt root forum (called /unique-root ha!) and look for the only posts from someone like Masters of the Universe-- come back with the url, go |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:14) Sotiris, I'm not at all surprised, but who said it would make us go out of business? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:14) Here's the URL http://www.geocities.com/MastersofCorruption |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:15) well, with the colliders in place, will you not be segrgated from the a-root? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:15) by whom, sotiris? We have never been IN the USG root |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:16) will your .biz TLD resolve in the same browser as the neuLevel .biz? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:16) If other roots want to carry the ICANN collider, they have the right to do so, but will have the reputation of carrying colliders |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:17) It's not the browser, it's the root you resolve |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:17) yes, but it ends up in the browser |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:17) if you resolve The PacificRoot you will see our .biz. If you resolve the ICANN root you will see the Neulevel .biz |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:17) Have the other roots made a decision on if they will carry the ICANN .biz or not? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:18) just lost the primary feed |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:18) I had tech problems for the second session yesterday-- anything in particular to look for in the archives of yesterday afternoon? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:18) I think most will |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:19) Dassa, Some will continue to carry the original .biz. I can't tell you which ones will carry the collider |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:19) Darryl, are you in Stockholm? |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:19) No Sotiris. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:19) The pacificroot will carry the original. I have not spoken with all of the others and don't know if they have made their decisions. We also still don't know what commerce will do |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:20) Is anyone here actually sitting in the venue (apart from Ben and Rebecca, who are busy) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:20) Loans are a way for companies to hold ICANN hostage |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:20) Dassa, do you happen to have the URL for the RIR agreements? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:20) Leah, supposing I've changed my DNS settings and I'm resolving both roots currently, yours and ICANN's .com, .net, .org... will I continue to resolve your root, or will the colliders overide it? |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:20) Sorry, no Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:21) Sotiris, I don't know how you are resolving both roots |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:22) If you resolve thePacificRoot (ARNI does not run a root) you will see .com/net/org and all the cctlds anyway. The only collider is .biz at the moment |
| <AmandaMoger> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:22) I am running the cameras in the meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:22) well, I am not resolving both roots.. there's really only one root with branchings, yours is one possible branch.. will i continue to see your domains when the neulevel .biz goes live? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:23) Welcome back Kendall |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:23) thanks.. I was having some problems so I reconnected |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:23) any highlights and must-sees from yesterday afternoon sesh? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:23) If you resolve the PacificRoot, you will see our.biz. That is all I can tell you. I'm not that wonderful with multibind |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:24) I see. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:24) I believe, Sotiris, that we will also have a plug in available and other things are in the planning stage |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:24) so, ultimately we're looking at who will fall in line with the ICANN agenda... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:24) ala New Net? |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:25) Interesting the NC decided the issue of other roots was outside the scope for the DNSO yesterday. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:25) I saw that darryl.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:25) wow... I misssed that. I'll check the archive |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:25) that has been the party line for awhile in the GA list |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:26) Amanda, is it possible to mix in all cameras rather than just the fixed podium feed on the vido/scribe channel? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:26) lost the feed again |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:27) Leah, re RIR - http://www.icann.org/stockholm/emerging-rir-topic.htm |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:27) Yeah, Kendall. They first voted to discuss it. Then they took a five minute coffee break and reversed it. Tacky |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:27) when are we going to get to the public comment segment, Ben? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:28) Leah, got a rough time for the coffebreak reversal yesterday? |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:28) Sotiris, you can take a look at the agenda, available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/agenda-pf-060301.html> to get an idea of when the board will be taking public comments. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:29) ah but which ones? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:29) does "Q&A/discussion" mean public comments? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:29) Len, I'm not really certain. I was a zombie by then. It seems like it might have been around two hours into the NC meeting |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:30) REBECCA -- does "Q&A/discussion" mean public comments? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:30) Dassa, that is the emerging RIR's. There is an agreement that has been proposed for current RIR's |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:31) brb |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:31) Vint! the epicure |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:31) This is what burns up time... stupid jokes by Board Members |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:31) no kidding! pardon the pun.. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:32) Sotiris is fully awake now and getting witty |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:32) Kendall, I am not sure whether Q&A/discussion means board comment or public comment. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:32) Len, i'm struggling to stay awake here mate. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:33) they can come to my house |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:33) How much would it cost to run an always-on 24/7 webcast where the venue is a virtual |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:33) meeting point |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:34) Then the non-ICANN internet groups can provide continuous forum and consensus creation on an ongoing basis |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:34) without leaving home |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:34) If they come to Canada, I'll be more than happy to show Vint around.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:35) ;-) |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:35) or the office (or the home-office) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:35) BEN or REBECCA -- today's session is called the "Public Forum". But, if "Q&A/discussion" does not mean public comments than there is only 1 hr for "open mic" at the very end! When do we get to the "Public" portion ?? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:35) good question kendall, post it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:35) ask the board. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:36) seems ridiculous that this is being termed as Public Comment. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:36) audit committee report? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:36) is this relevant? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:36) Kendall, this appalled me in Melbourne-- I was astounded that the bulk of the time in Public Forum was taken up by dreary spirit-sapping reports adn presentations which filibustered any discusion of issues |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:37) its the ersatz performance all over again.. sigh. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:37) public=mostlyamericanwhitemales speaking, forum=restofus listen |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:38) Kendall, the Board and the ICANN staff are responsible for the agenda for this meeting--which is called the "Public Forum", incidentially. The agenda for this meeting has been posted on the ICANN website for quite a while. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:38) remember the NC meeting in Melbourne? "We have run out of time... I'm terribly sorry there won't be time for public comments" |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:38) shouldnt s public forum set its own agenda at the forum? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:38) ladies and gentlemen, I am currently working on a charter draft for the Individual's Constituency proposal I hope to help get off the ground, we're involved in a yahoo-groups list currently, but we're interested in any and all input from anyone who is not a member of our 100+ group. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:38) Jun Murai's Root Server report is linked off the agenda and is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/murai-rssac.html> |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:39) Kendall administers the yahoo-groups list, and anyone interested insubscribing can talk to him |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:39) Bottoms up forum process would start with questions from floor and on line and then set rough time allotments for discussion-- leaving reports and speches to the end if there is any time left |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:40) this is not bottom-up.. it's bottom's up! cheers! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:40) Re: NC on alt roots, It's Item IV, about halfways down, here: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/scribe-nc-060201.html |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:41) at present, in the top down forum process, there is real pressure to only raise one short topic, which is fielded by the celebs with very polite but deadly gatekeeping by vint |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:41) Len, what's the scoop on the Australian court case against ICANN? |
| <Deborah> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:41) As a new observer, it seems to me that we are simply snooping. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:41) If you want to join the group Sotiris was talking about you can go here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wg-review |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:41) there is NO FOLLOWUP DISCUSSION ALLOWED and it is actively discoruaged to get thru the reports |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:41) Deborah.. unfortunately that is mostly the case with ICANN |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:42) See also item X on my link above re: IDN, this'll blow up real good in future |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:42) Louis Touton had a great quote from Nov. 2000 - "Again you are here to observe not to participate" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:42) Deborah, we're hoping we get the odd word in here and there.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:42) it happens, rarely, but it has happened.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:42) not that they've listened... |
| <Deborah> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:43) Keep trying Sotiris |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:43) The funny part is that ICANN claims to be "open and transparent" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:43) but eventually, when enough of us get together and collaborate, they will have no choice but to listen |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:43) yes, a few crumbs for us powerless peons from the affluent white american males and associates |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:43) and also a "bottoms up" consensus organization |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:43) cheers! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:43) James, how are the multilinguals coming? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:44) I'm having network congestion on the secondary REAL video feed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:44) James? |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:44) have some dispute but coming |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:45) Netsol is selling multilinguals and they don't even resolve yet.. how do you feel about that? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:46) At every public forum I have attended lately, all participants sit in a circle if possible and everyone has a right to speak-- its is interactive, keeps you awake and is more empowereing than sitting listening in homage to these knd clever podiumites |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:46) ha! podiumites! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:46) this is for their benefit - not ours. they get a nice vacation in Stockholm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:47) so james, the testbed multilinguals... what's the deal, are they ever going to resolve or is Netsol selling pipedreams? |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:47) they will resolve |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:47) when? |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:47) but i guess deployment takes time |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:47) approx. how long would you estimate? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:48) Is anyone in the IRC present in Stockholm? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:48) I reckon a 24/7 webcast/scribe/chat with archive with a Virtual Venue would work a million times better than kind clever americans visiting foreing countries like quais-missionaries (albeit well remunerated by corporations and US government) |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:48) hard to say...anything between 2 to 6 months |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:48) I've gotten a couple questions via email about when public comments will be taken in this forum. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:48) I thought it might be helpful to clear this up here, for everyone. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:48) ok |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:48) yet, they've been selling multinligual registrations for almost a year! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:49) The page to look at is http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/agenda-pf-060301.html |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:49) It is my understanding that every time that page says "Q&A/discussion" ... |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:49) ... public comments will be taken from the microphone & webcast audience. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:49) for only one hour, Ben? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:49) no... |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:49) In each such comment session, comments should be restricted to the substantive topics immediately before that public comment period. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) there are Q&A sections throughout the day |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) (i.e. comments about ASO in the 11:30 comment period) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) Super Karl! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) There's also an Open Mic at the end of the day when comments on any subject are in order. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) ben would the ontological staus and definition of domain names not qulalify as relevant? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) Thank you Ben... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) woops |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) All told, there will be well more than an hour of public comments, Sotiris, just as at prior meetings. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) Did this Public FOrum, being the participants assembled online and off, appoint vint to chair it and decide to have endless reports with strict control over public participation? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) spelling. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:50) prior meetings? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:51) Ben, the public comment was done away with at the last meeting! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:51) I didn't understand the term "Q&A/discussion" in the agenda |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:51) Good question Karl! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:51) good question karl! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:51) Is that Katoh? |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:51) nope..karl |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:52) I know Karl, who's the respondent? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:52) James are you present in stockholm? |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:52) jun murai |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:52) ah, Murai, |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:52) ok |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:53) Is Joop Teernstra in Stockholm? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:53) have I mentioned that I really like Karl ?! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:53) bravo Karl! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:53) no Vint! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:53) it's not ok! |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:53) karl is quite sick of it btw...one person rebel dont make much diff |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:53) how do you like that? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:54) Toutonology 101 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:54) oh no, not Louis again.. is this public comment or the Louis Touton show? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:54) Hi Joop |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:54) Hi Ken |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:54) Joop, are you in stockholm? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:54) hi joop |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:54) Hi all |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:55) No, I did not have the time/funds |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:55) are any idnoers there? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:55) Kendall, I missed Karl's stuff about the rootzone availabiltiy. :( can you tell me what he asked? |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:55) Paul Twomey's GAC Communique is linked off the agenda for this meeting and is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/gac-communique.html> |
| <CraigNg> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:55) Ben - link is not working |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:56) to make the next meeting and present an IC in accordance with the RFP of the Names Council task force :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:56) ben, link down |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:56) yes Joop. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:56) He wanted to know who was going to pay for it Leah |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:56) Which link are you having trouble with? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:56) we're all hoping to realize it. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:56) The links on both scribe and here have a trailing ] or > that needs to be snipped |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:56) I'm still working on the draft charter.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:57) but I'm head over heels sweet on Deborah, and i'm so distracted that it might take some time still... :-) |
| <Deborah> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:57) Sotiris, we have understanding once again |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:57) be patient, |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:57) it'll be worth it. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:58) In general, you will often not be able to follow the links directly from the irc chat simply because of IRC. The url is live and the page is linked off the agenda for this meeting. If we have a bad link on one of the webpages, please let me know. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:58) oh... hi Deb. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:58) :-) |
| <Deborah> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:58) stay on track Sam |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:58) yes, yes.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:58) Karl also asked about zone transfers - he mentioned that this would come up during alt roots discussion and mentioned that they would be concerned |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:59) That is what I missed KD |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:59) when is the .eu meeting in France? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:59) I think they vote on it in July Sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 03:59) critical vote.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:00) Then the member states have to approve it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:00) that will be interesting. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:00) Ah the twomey speaks, friend to america |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:00) Len, where would we be without the US? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:00) In a better world? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:01) Kendall!! you're a massachussets boy! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:01) I'm shocked. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:01) I don't run the show... I just live here. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:01) God bless America! She needs it.. |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:01) Uh, Oh, better listen to "president" Twomey |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:01) thanx Joop |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:02) Just what we don't need -- Sunrise Periods |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:02) quiz time |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:02) great. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:02) which means that the corporations will swallow up any domains that mey be marketable.. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:02) Rebecca, re links: All show as having a leading '[' and trailing ']' for scribe or '<' and '>' for chat. The leading brackets aren't 'blue' clickable, the trailing ones are. This is true of all links I've seen. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:03) quizmaster |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:04) Gary, as I said before, it will often not be possible to follow the links directly out of the chat. The urls are given for your reference in the chat. To visit the urls, it will be easiest for you to visit the urls by following the links from the meeting agenda for this meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:04) everybody and his mother's uncle will be claiming intellectual property that they really have no actual claim to.. as there has been no definition of the ontological status of Domain names.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:04) After they discuss it "offline" the public should have time to review their work |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:04) in an ideal world, Kendall. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:04) ahead of schedule? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:05) Rebecca, I just trim the > or ], but is that a bug? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:05) do you use mIRC Gary? |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:05) 30 minutes for a coffee break. Good working conditions. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:05) I'm using the java popups |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:06) o good, public forum informal in the coffeebreak |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:06) You may consider a stand-alone program.. I have found that it performs much better |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:06) amanda, how about panning round the room now please |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:06) I'm using mIRC 5.82 and the links are clickable in Scribe and Chat |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:07) I like the clock on the screen... is that your handy work Ben? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:07) I wouldn't be surprised, having known the mIRC author for about 12 years. :) |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:07) why not a roving camera during breaks so us online can get the full picture? just a suggestion |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:07) It is an excellent program. I highly recommend it for ICANN meetings |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:08) 26.45 to go |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:08) Attach a camera to Louis Touton! |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:08) and a wire |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:08) helmet cam |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:08) let's here what REALLY happens out in the hallway |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:08) hear that is |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:09) Breaktime humor: Today's wacky domain news: http://gator-pump.com/ hereinafter wants to be known as http://gatorpump.com/ |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:10) why? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:10) they don't like DLDs? (Dash Level Domains) |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:10) Dunno, they'll lose hits on some search engines. I just monitor new submissions having to do with domains. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:11) And at today's prices why not keep both and do a redirect? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:11) good point |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:11) What we have there is failure to grasp the concept |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:11) it's hard to get people to changee bookmarks |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:12) Anyone submit any good questions? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:12) Right, and some search engines will be months respidering |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:12) I submitted this one: Where is the money for Public Elections or Membership At Large in the proposed budget? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:13) If we cant have a roving camera, can we have some folks on the floor come to Ben's keyboard to fill us in on the vibe and answer online queries about floor/people movements whatever |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:13) In other news singer Bobby Vinton has demanded that ICANN cease using Vinton Cerf as chairman and turn him over to the singer immediately as his name is confusingly similar. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:13) The real time discussion needs a "runner" on the floor AS OF RIGHT |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:13) Like a side-line correspondent Len? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:14) Well, ben and revbecca and amanda are flatchat, but there must be some Observers there whou would like to sit at a keyboard and contribute (NOT MODERATE!) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:14) Reporter: So, Vint, you just took over the Internet ... now what do you want to do? Vint: "I want to go to Disney Land" |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:15) heh heh |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:15) outer space the new fontier etc |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:16) The camera moved! |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:16) bravo amanda |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:16) Thank you Amanda |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:16) lighting is a problem |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:17) do that again one more time please |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:18) Does anyone have any opinions on the New Regional Internet Registries ? |
| <AmandaMoger> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:19) You're welcome. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:20) How hard would it be to take the camera off the stand and wal around capturing live or dleayed footage? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:20) the wire could cause problems |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:20) don't want to trip anyone |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:21) Say you walked around with camera for five minutes, then rewound it, then played it back you would still have 3.40 left of theis break |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:21) untethered, pre-recorded footage? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:25) also useful as evidnece from ICANN's own records in the Coming Legal Troubles About To Engulf ICANN |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:25) evidence |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:26) what do you mean? the CCtlds? the alt roots? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:26) battery operated digital videocamera-- they sell them now you know |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:26) LOL... yes I've heard of such thing. :) |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:30) Kendall, how do you assess the influence of USGmil/CIA now in ICANN-- clearly the |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:31) results so far with ICANN are not against the USGmil/CIA interests! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:32) I haven't thought about it really. I know the US Gov't seems to "rubber stamp" anything ICANN gives them. But, I don't know much about the military or CIA involvment. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:32) Additionally, it is clear that many ICANNites agree with the USGmil/CIA agenda. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:33) Well, it is never spoken about but it is the most obvious Invisible Thread thru all |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:33) this ICANN inertia (like watching South Africa trying to keep apartheid |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:33) ahead of schedule?! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:33) woops |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:33) Yup, ICANN is a wholly owned subsiduary of Eschelon |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:33) but get away with just talking about how difficult it was for 20 years |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:34) It seems to me the the US military has networks and communication systems way beyond the net that we use. They have no dependence on ICANN.. but, you raise a good point. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:34) deborah, you there? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:34) Well, Gary, Echelon does exist you know. Lots of people are paid a lot of money in Virginia to work out tactics and positions on american interests |
| <Deborah> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:34) Yes I'm still here |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:35) The powers that be can't control all net traffic, therefore they go for controlling the gateways, one of them being ICANN |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:35) I know Eschelon exists. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:35) Whoever controls internet addressing controls the internet, so CIA/USGmil not want to lose control or worlse let some others share control |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:36) Ya, that's the real subtext of what we're watching |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:36) ICANN is just basically the american intranet the rest of the world is allowed to use on conditions |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:36) true |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:36) What are you peple on? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:36) But there is already a China intranet and Mulinational Corporations all have huge intranets behind firewalls |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:36) Have you seen the Theregister story about Echelon's "trigger words"? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19347.html |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:37) And the american intranet folks are now trying to stop ordiary people particiapating on their own intranets |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:37) I'm driking cranberry juice Peter... anyone else on something good? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:37) end of rant for now |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:38) Steinlager :-) |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:38) the very orderly public forum |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:38) are we on -3:31 ? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:38) Yes Kendall, and there has been a lot on carnivore too lately |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:39) ninth cup of java for me bzzzt! Just cuz I'm stoned doesn't mean you should take me for granite :) |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:39) Brian Moore's Protocol Supporting Organization report is linked off the agenda for this meeting and is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/moore-pso.html |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:40) hey gary, that was funny |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:40) where did joop go? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:41) anyone going to nominate me? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:41) hehehe |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:41) You can nominate yourself! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:42) I'm not a member of the protocol Support organization |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:42) oh well |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:42) Tim Berners-Lee is always a good choice |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:42) how can I compete against Tim-Berners lee anyway? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:42) the net is his baby. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:43) how many of us can say "I create the web" |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:43) nice thing to have on your CV |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:43) no doubt |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:44) so, how many more presentations before the public comment period? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:44) And Tim has been critical of commercial interests taking over the net. Read his book |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:44) there is one at the end of this presentation ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:44) no.. sorry next presentation |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:44) really gary? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:44) which book? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:44) I read "weaving the web" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:45) me too! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:45) is that the one gary? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:45) I don't recall such a discussion, but it's been a little while |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:47) Hans! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:47) here he comes! |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:47) Hans Peter Holen's Address Supporting Organization report is linked off the agenda for this meeting and is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/holen-aso.html |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:50) 2099? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:50) Sorry, have forgotten name of Tims book, it's recent, and very good |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:50) Weaving the Web |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:50) I have that one. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:52) BTW, did everyone get a load of Esther Dyson's stance yesterday? it sounded like she never left the post of ICANN Chair.. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:52) He explains how and why different stakeholders can get along |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:52) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006251587X |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:52) Ether, er Esther, put me to sleep |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:52) yes gary, but I didn't get the sense he was hostile to big business interests.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:53) she droned on and on but didn't say much |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:53) That's what I mean, Tim is trying to build bridges |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:53) pay attention to this RIR stuff |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:53) well, that's encouraging |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:53) yes, Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:53) This is the hold on the net - much more so than names |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:55) IPv6 solves address consumption |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:55) for the next decade or two at least.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:56) why not vint? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:56) open it up! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:56) any questions on RIR issues? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:57) no one understands it |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:57) 1/2 hour ahead = more "open mic" time ? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:57) letterman show stuff |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:59) I like YJ Park... she speaks out! |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:59) I can never understand her |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 04:59) Kendall, she was the one who turned the vote yesterday |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:01) is this the coffeebreak incident yesterday |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:02) We need an individual's constituency! |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:02) Yes. That is why the NCDNHC must stick to organizations! |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:04) you can understand her once u know her agenda |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:04) No money for At Large... but plenty for higher salaries for staff |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:04) Hi Joop - you still into this punishment eh? |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:05) Hi peter, Yes. Once I start something it takes a lot to make me stop before success is achieved. |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:05) I do believe success can be achieved. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:06) Seriously.. if you don't know someone is infringing on your TM for 3 years... you don't deserve to take someone's name |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:06) exactly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:07) I think this is an excellent stipulation by Milton |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:07) Agree |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:07) VeriSign (NetSol) should not automatically side with big-business and pull the plug on your name until you have been PROVEN to be a squatter. (ie: innocent until proven guilty) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:08) however, i think my registrars policy is sound with respect to panel providers. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:08) procedure should stop the moment there is a court filing also |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:08) they stipulate that the registrant has choice of juridiction |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:08) jurisdiction |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:08) Peter, you are a registrar, what do you think about Milton's proposal? |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:09) Sounds reasonable to me |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:09) which registrar peter? |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:09) May your business prosper :-) |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:09) 2day.com - we are not operational yet |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:09) good luck. |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:09) as a registrar that is :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:09) of course. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) have you been accrdited? |
| <JoeAlagna> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) Hi everyone |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) hi Joe |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) GOOD QUESTION ! |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) Yes, have been for over 12 months |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) Why does it take so long to add a TLD to the root ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) yes good question from Milton. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) why is Amadeu playing cute? |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) Give Louis a few beers and its easy -no? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:10) 2 minutes at the commandline should do just fine |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:11) Because it takes ICANn that long to add all their restrictions and restraint of trade |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:11) Abril is sertyting a trap for Milton |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:11) Don't get Amadeu started... he'll never stop talking |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:11) yes he is. why? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:11) Here comes the IP intrests. |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:12) He is anti-democratic, in my view |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:12) I sensed that, and the barcelona.com thing looms largely.. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:12) Sheesh! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:13) the percentage of "reverse domain hijack" are EXTREMELY low |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:13) Note the scribe note: Amadeu is concerned that individuals can't join the NCDNHC. Why: ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:13) exactly, why? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:13) He is protecting his big-business pals |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:14) does he think Individual's require some kind of representation? or that they should be pigeon-holed in the NCDNHC? |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:14) Once they are spin into the non-comm, they have no longer a case to formn an independent (com, small biz AND noncom) constituency |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:14) Karl to the rescue! |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:14) Note that he also tried to spead the myth that the IP constituency is open to individuals |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:15) I'd like to join the IP constituency.. :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:15) they're trying to make the NCDNHC the catch-all constituency |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:15) Kendall: Mikki Barry tried |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:15) They would love me! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:16) ha! kendall, you and the ICANNStage cartoons |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:16) sotiris: you should subscribe to their ML and then you realize how much they are on the ropes |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:16) Good question from Karl! |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:16) how much money do these people need? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:16) yes, but yesterday, Gomes said they should approach the NC again.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:16) too much is never enough for ICANN |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:17) 30,000 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:17) in dues |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:18) Notice how Vint is getting quite good at shutting people down and moving to the next topic? |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:18) Thats his job |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:18) he's mastered that. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:18) He's been good at it. In Melbourne he shut out Karl several times |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:18) oh no, not Swineheart! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:19) his favorit is let's "take it offline" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:19) she's oblivious to the rest of the world around her.. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:19) Too much is taken off line |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:19) the BC is full of S...T |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:19) problem is that it never makes it back "online" again |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:19) now they're concerned with the consumers! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) and stability! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) The heart of the swine |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) and competition? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) Like I said yesterday, the US has been remiss in UN payments for years. Should they lose voting rights? |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) The BC is presented by paid employees. The election process within the BC is a laugh |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) are they kidding, or what? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) "global uniqueness"! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) what a crock! |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:20) american business supports an american intranet-- |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) Go get her Karl! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) isolationism is looming |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) go karl1 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) Go Karl! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) How many are there Theresa ?? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) Think about it sotiris. Uniqueness is a goal we all have... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) there are none! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) she's lying. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) It doesn't mean a single system |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) I think Jefsey is the only small biz individual BC member |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) oh I agree leah.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:21) yes Joop, but jefsey is not small business |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:22) He want to be the Chair of a small biz faction in the BC |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:22) who does Jefsey represent? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:22) swinheart shows the position of almost desperation that the USGmil/CIA have now-- only scare tactcs left |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:23) UTEL is his company as far as i know.. but he's ex-french naval intelligence |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:23) kendall: Jefsey represents himself and his business plan |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:23) Karl is standing up for us again! " |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:23) awwww geeeee, customers might ask why they can't see .here |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:23) I like Karls' insistence |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:23) as do i. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:24) Karl Auerbach: "voice of the people" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:24) but vint is shooting him down, consistently. |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:24) Amadeu still trying |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:24) what's Amadeu driving at? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:24) he's transparent. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) here we go, the hirelings. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) Vint and Amadeu: "Shutup Karl, we don't like individuals remember!" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) none! |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) Yoohoo, lets all join the IP |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) oh really? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) barf |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) they can be members -- but they can't vote or say anything |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) what a crock.. cause you can't vote! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:25) exactly |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:26) but you can give it legitimacy-- then it can be said that individuals etc |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:26) Just like the ICANN forums |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:26) Just read the American IP lawyers lobby statement about the need for an Individuals Const. and about the need for an @ large membership |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:26) yup |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:26) where is it posted Joop? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:26) oh they hate the alts |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:27) boo hoo |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:27) no kidding. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:27) consumer confidence?!?! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:27) since when do they care about consumers! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:27) They need consumers to buy things so they can protect their labels |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:27) awww |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:27) sotiris: I think you can find it through the IP constit pages |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) "all your marks are belong to us" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) on songbird? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) oh please Vint. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) define stability, good |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) yes, that's where they flock together :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) good question karl! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) hahah Joop! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) all the songbirds.. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) IPC supports cctlds, is there backroom deal for them to get onside with UDRP |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) Thats not the Grant Forsyth we know is it Joop? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) who provides the technical aspects? Kent Crispin? |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:28) technician testimony |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:29) naturally. and not Mueller, Froomkin, Higgs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:29) oh please Vint! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:29) or newnet |
| <MarciaLArbott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:29) omg |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:29) let the hireling try to answer! |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:29) Did Lynn footnote which tech experts advised him or he relied on? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:29) Not to put words in your mouth... but here I go anyway |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) Peter: Grant has not spoken yet. To me he's now an NC rep sitting there as an employee of his employer. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) Yes, lynn footnoted Crispin and others |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) the stability arguments are a bunch of BS |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) GREAT KARL! |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) It was referred to as a technical person :-( |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) take it offline?!?!? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) take it offline again |
| <MarciaLArbott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) yep |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) oh boy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:30) here we go.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:31) he repeated this line yesterday |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:31) it's chuck Gomes and his unholy trinity |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:31) take it off line again. Just duck the issue as usual |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:31) duck the issue and let VeriSign or the lackeys speak |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:31) Deborah, can you see their haughtiness? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:32) pride before the fall.. |
| <Deborah> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:32) I certainly can |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:32) Peter: I'd rather not give my opinion in public about personal competence. Did you see what happened to Russell Brow'n biz. (soory off-topic) |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:32) Chuck is 6 month interim chair so he'll be there in perpetuity |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:32) hahahahah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:32) gary, you're a real wit! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:32) he will follow Hans K's fine example |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:32) well halfways :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:33) Amadeu is now 120 kilos? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:33) I think not |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:33) is that what he said? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:33) more like 250 |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:33) Has anyone given any thought to what will happen if the USG gives complete control of the root to ICANN and removes oversight? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:33) So verisign rep talks to affilias rep and that isn't talking to yourself? say what? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:33) a consituency with 1 member that now has 3 members, but no new charter.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) what a terrible thought Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) Think about it, though... |
| <MarciaLArbott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) it's not if, it's when |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) There would be no anti-trust protection... |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) Leah, some cctlds would go nuclear |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) If they removed VeriSign from the picture, removed the board squatters, and held public elections I would think about it |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) Higgs has a good diagram showing stability and instability -- see his post on Public Comment / alt root linking to full paper |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) I think the cctlds smell it coming |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:34) It would be a totally private enterprise, subject to the same laws we have to live with |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) and they're making their move. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) which is why it won't happen |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) They would have to survive by contracts and no other support |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) exactly |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) and subject to all kinds of lawsuits |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) and be subject to anti-trust, restraint of trade, etc |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) offline, of course! |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) of course |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) that's right Gary |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:35) thanks for nothing Chuck |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:36) Higgs has a good diagram on internet stability and instability-- colliders being unstable |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:36) Chuck is a lackey |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:36) who's the redhead? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:36) Uh huh, the ones responsible for stability are going to break the DNS |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:36) kendall: almost everybody is, except the non-coms and the individuals |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:37) and we're not going away any time soon, eh joop? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:37) although i'm sure the lackeys wish we would. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:37) Leah they will keep ICANN in this weird grey area where it neither has govt oversight or public pressures |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:38) Gov't wants to divest itself of the root. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:38) VeriSign doesn't want to give it up |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:38) It's a headache they don't want |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:38) Soooo, now what is going to happen to those 3 newly open NC seats ?? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:38) They won't have a choice |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:38) "protect our monopoly at all costs" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:38) good question joop |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:39) Ken Stubbs will fill all 3 of them Joop |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:39) Peter de Blanc had maintained that the cctld's would still remain a presence in the dnso, whatever happend to peter? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:39) If the USG gives it up they'll have to legislate a new unique grey area or eventually the points Froomkin raises in his paper will bite them |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:39) something will bite no matter what they do |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:39) whre is professor froomkin anyway? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:40) they are painting themselves into a corner |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:40) Vint can't tell her to take it offline! |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:40) 'She' is a woman :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:40) and cctld rep |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:41) how could you tell? :) |
| <joopteernstra> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:41) my connection seems to be stuffed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:41) vint's patience is wearing thin, but these people are the ace in the net hole |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:43) translation: CCtlds tell ICANN to "get stuffed" |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:44) Vint is kissing some butt... "please stay!" |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:45) Dont worry Vint, you will still hear from ccTLD's |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:45) Louis reads from the "Book of Touton" |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:46) Not surprisingly, the bylaws make changing the bylaws time intesive for staff and lawyers |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:47) intensive |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:47) JDRP gets an hourly fee no? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:48) huge retainer plus huge hourly fee I imagine |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:49) But where is the individual's constituency Amadeu ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:49) Or should we just join the IP constituency instead? |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:50) Listen Amadeu - if ccTLD's say it doesnt work for them, then thats how it is |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:50) take it offline Amadeu |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:50) LOL |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:50) Vint seems happy to hear this rant |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:51) sure... Vint has "selective hearing" |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:51) hi Patrick |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:51) This reminds me of the supposedly recused Amadeu going on for much more than 3 minutes against the union proposal at mdr2k |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:51) Hi folks |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:51) hi patrick |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:51) hi Patrick |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:51) Hi Patrick |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:52) Karl gets right to the point! |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:52) Wow.. . so many friends !! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:52) "how big of a chunk do you want?" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:52) but size does matter |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:52) What's happening ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:52) the CCtlds |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:53) HAHAHAHAHA ! ICANN can go take a flying leap! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:53) The CCtlds realize that they don't need ICANN |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:53) Never let the facts get in the way of a good story |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:53) That is not what they are saying. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:54) of course not |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:54) But it's true.. they don't need ICANN |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:54) this is the ersatz performance, everything else is offline. |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:54) ccTLD's may not need ICANN, but we need to be in the root (speaking for .tk .aq .pn) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:54) If the CCtlds and the alt roots work together that could change |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:54) They want icann as long as its a net plus for them |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:55) what, keeping the americans on side? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:55) cctlds want more money and power |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:56) CCtlds want ICANN-root listing and ICANN wants inter-national legitimacy-- do we have a deal? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:56) ya, add it global support for wipo2 and let's shake on it |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:57) Why have the DNSO if ICANN doesn't listen to them anyway? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:57) Look at the VeriSign agreement. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:57) done-- now get esther and vint out ther to sell it and swinehart to sell protection insurance |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:57) for show |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:57) for window dressing when they need to pretend they're bottom up |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:58) bottom up (as long as you're not an individual) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:58) exactly |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:59) All but the IPC are under-represented, cctlds are asking for more of pie |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 05:59) All of the CCtlds are never going to go along with this. Many don't even acknowledge ICANN as an authority. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:00) ICANN, the American Joke-- humor ICANN if that is what they want for now... |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:00) Well, cnnic is an alt model. Can you imagine Iraq wanting to take part in ICANN |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:01) Who is the "king of registrars" ?? VeriSign? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:01) Take it offline Amadeu |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:01) honestly, u don wan to go there |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:01) Check the staffing and associates of Verisign-- same front-company model as SAIC used to be for CIA business |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:03) Why doesn't Vint tell Amadeu to "take it offline" ? He has told Karl that at least 3 times - when Karl brought up very good points. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:04) Because Karl is for individuals and is also an alt root user |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:04) welcome back patrick |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:04) Hi Patrick |
| <PatrickC> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:04) Hi Len, Leah & all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:05) brb |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:05) what makes ccTLD's unique is that they not only realise DNSO does not work for them, they are preared to do something about it |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:05) DNSO is too broken |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:05) an option that the rest of us don't have |
| <Dassa> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:05) Patrick: What is the AuDA position on ccTLD's forming an additional SO ? |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:06) They support ICANN . . . |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:06) Me as an indvidual - what can I do if I am not happy with the DNSO or ICANN? My only voice is Karl Auerbach |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:06) and will pay. Partly because they want Aus Gov support . . . |
| <JamesSeng> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:08) u notice karl is getting tired? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:08) Vint: "Yes it would be.." (translation: take it offline) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:09) Karl can't get a word in edgewise, but Amadeu, Cohen, and Touton can talk all day long. I would be tired too. |
| <Len> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:12) "the right to pay"-- did I hear that right? |
| <PeterMott> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:12) NSI no longer have 2/3 of market - thats got to be good |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:13) Depending how you slice it they have about 50% that is not good |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:13) No longer has 2/3 of the market.. but makes money from the sale of every domain name |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:15) This is what its all about. If you pay money, you get a say. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:15) which ensures that individuals will never participate |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:15) did i miss much? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:16) Unless an indiv constituency self forms, raises funds, and gets in line with the bribes |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:16) fat chance |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, June 03, 2001 at 06:16) well, we're organizing... but I don't hink we'll be looking to fall in with the bribes. |
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