Session Start: Thu Aug 26 08:03:06 1999 * Logging #ICANN-Santiago to 'icann-santiago-chat-082699.log' *** RichardLindsay has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** edelman has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** edelman has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) *** mason_ has joined #ICANN-Santiago set log on *** edelman has joined #ICANN-Santiago ben, good morning *** edelman has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) oops *** mason_ has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** mason has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** DennisSchaefer has joined #ICANN-Santiago morning Dennis hey mason there does not seem to many people here - they have their link to the IRC chat down is anyone getting an actual feed on the meeting? yes - I am, are you not getting one? nope -- been trying for an hour what url are you using? just got in on reuna -- but that always has congestion: let's hope! I just refreshed my screen: it updated my urls, which made things work. But it now says there is "no realtime chat" well were here in real time chat - they just dont want to advertise it - yesturday I understand there was quite a kerfluffle between WilliamX and JeffW - our resident bad boys - that maybe why chat is technically closed *** dinesh has joined #ICANN-Santiago oh-h-h-h-h Are they likening the Council to the Names Council? I'm not sure - been too busy with tech today to pay much attention. We have a few people listening today. has anyone heard anything more about the WBC protest of icann in San deigo? WBC? Sounds interesting... got a url I can go to? *** paulds has joined #ICANN-Santiago the links are bad ! keep rebuffering world baptist church - the godhatesfag people. We got a fax from them - i have a url for it - let me look morning what's the topic on the table ? geographical distribution of at-large board members did esther say something about extremists ? and how to build that into the election procedures not sure, didn't hear hi paul http://www.pccf.net/references/icann/phelps-aug26-1999.gif i hope that correct - let me know if it's not mason, thanks .... be right back why do they have so many monitors around them ? they seem to be using their notebooks. hi richard uhoh, net congestion not only congestion. it seems disconnected yeah I am at all stop here... 0.0kbps congested by a backhoe maybe? :) i've lost the feed paul, are you on the cambridge feed? I was on REUNA, but now trying Cambridge. no diff did you get on? both are dead i'm getting audio off the primary audio-only werks reuna net connection seems dead cant even traceroute to host maybe someone tripped on a cable? yeah, or maybe they're in Chile. :) dunno how good their telco infrastructure is 'ICANN is the beast that will proliferate at the end of the world, bring final judgment on mankind ..." I assume this is not meant to be favorable? appears to be about as reliable as Indiana's. bwahahaha i don;t know what to make of it - they just headed to the wrong place. anyone have a line into ben? The beast thing really made me laugh when we got it How about "ICANN -- the dot.666 people?" :) I don't think that a very favourable decription - but it's catchy update, anyone getting video? nope no i'm on audio primary server for berkman y'know, i knew esther had something up her sleeve! go figure ... (no video) audio is working in case anyone needs it pinging reuna, so I'll shout if packets start getting through. a *few* packets just got through. less than 10% tho oh, nevermind just got through to a more intermediate router I am on secondary audio, quality is good RL, ditto what's quorum for the board ? 5 ? not sure, but they are mostly there is the feed back up now? doesnt look like it I just got a mail from ben saying the net was back up... still can't ping them I'll try... latency :-) still looks down. :/ oh wait, berkman is up reuna is still dead get in while you can audio/video from berkman is fine what, the meeting is over? hm. about 50% packets getting through to reuna I think it continues after a break don't they have another hour and a half? they said "closed" yes - they were supposed to go till 12:30 - but you can only draw out a script for so long well, that was enlightening! is anyone from wg-b here? DNSO names council is scheduled for 2PM ok chaps, see y'all at real soon. gotta run and wont be online for the dnso nc meeting. I have the Names council starting at 3:00 ooops, looks like they changed the schedule... *** dinesh has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) argh, what's the URL for the current schedule? hm, nice video test-pattern. Guess they don't want us spying on them. :) *** DennisSchaefer has quit IRC (QUIT: ) paul, did you fing the schedule? follow the links from ICANN, and also from reuna - different times got distracted by something else, so no. :) ok, thanks ok, so nothing more til 14:00? DNSO then. it might be 15:00 ben is checking for me k ooh, picture is back pointing at Esther's fly laptop. packet loss to reuna is down to 15% orso Ah, look at the screen on RV. DNSO Meeting starts at 3:00 hm who are we eavesdropping on now? :) does it say 3:00 or 2:00? it is hard to read I thought 3, but now you're making me less certain. :) damn... either its 3:00am or 4:00am for me time to go to the pub for a beer... hah or a coffee so the meeting after next is gonna be in your neck of the woods, eh? more like going to be my neck! neck in the noose? heh last one in San Jose was pretty brutal "neck of the woods" = very odd phrase * paulds wonders about its etymology think its 2:00 now - got a separate email ah, ok gonna step out for a bit right-o, see ya later * paulds is away: (Idle.) [BX-MsgLog On] *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** RussSmith has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** RussSmith has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** edelman has joined #ICANN-Santiago you guys doing ok out there? *** ManuelBarrera has joined #ICANN-Santiago * ManuelBarrera rings the bell * ManuelBarrera smiles at everyone in the room :-) *** ManuelBarrera has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** SrikanthNarra has joined #ICANN-Santiago mason mason u there *** SrikanthNarra has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** SrikanthNarra has joined #ICANN-Santiago ben ? *** SrikanthNarra has quit IRC (QUIT: ) i am back * paulds is back from the dead. Gone 2 hrs 16 min 57 secs hi ben *** dianecabell has joined #ICANN-Santiago Still no Real Video feed. OK? hiya D feed should be back at 14:00 ... or was that not a question? :) *** jonwhelan has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** jonwhelan has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** JonZittrain has joined #ICANN-Santiago afternoon jon *** DougBarton has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** DougBarton has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** BonnieLemon has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** BonnieLemon has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** MichaelFroomkin has joined #ICANN-Santiago *** DougBarton has joined #ICANN-Santiago thats a flippant way of reading one of americas treasuers Greetings folks Anyone know if the real video feed is going to be working? RV is supposed to be up shortly, according to plans, anyway. Ok, thanks We Will See Oh, it seems to be working now that is yah, Berkman feed is up, REUNA still down I've got a feed Real Video feed is good from Japan again... very blurry though blurry here too trying irc, realaudio, teleconf, etc.... the phone is way ahead of the feed... makes sense The time delay issue is kinda interesting. RV has been a champ here, but lots of delay. One good thing about the remote participation batching is that the delays haven't been fatal... realvideo is up now, yes? reuna? *** andyg has joined #ICANN-Santiago please someone check reuna again? 1sec Ben, yes, REUNA is up on RV ooh, REUNA is doing 8.5Kbps voice and 25.5Kbps video. Berkam is only 5 and 15, yes? berkman, even ben the video is really fuzzy... The delay in RV is part of the system. They have to have a sufficient amount of data buffered on the server to provide a smooth feed for various d/l speeds i know, we have little bandwidth and don't want to totally cannibalize our access to remote participation database. richard, have you tried REUNA, I think they're smoother. so we send the lowest quality video feed possible. so long as reuna net isn't congested, their feed is indeed better. 12My RV (REUNA?) claims 34Kbps video!? *nod* No problem, I'm just glad it's available :) no, 34K total. trying reuna now berkman is coming at 20 Kbps, and it's fairly smooth my audio is from the phone so, lots of lag any way I try it :-) 1Perhaps this is a rare occasion where Miami has favorable 'net geometry? glad to hear you're thre & ok richard. do speak up when appropriate. thanks very much ben! I am on! richard, can you confirm which other nc people are on, if you know? I didn't hear Jon Englund - if I speak it is automatically miked right? yes, richard, though it'll be quiet for first few seconds so don't say anything fast and wait for us to confirm that can hear you OK. *** tommyg has joined #ICANN-Santiago I did get an ack, so someone knows I'm here *** FrancoisMenard has joined #ICANN-Santiago anything major happened ? constituencies reporting how far through the agenda are they (from A to K) c * andyg is away since 2:25:01 PM - automagically set away after 10 min idling. Msglog [ON] *** MichaelFroomkin has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** Robyn has joined #ICANN-Santiago is berkman video feed OK? down to 9 players... or are you guys bored? berkman is good it pauses once ever 15 mins or so, but otherwise fine weird about the pauses. has been doing so at prior meetings too. will retest & troubleshoot for next time. hah, REUNA just fast-forwarded about 45 seconds. :) when that happens I get a "net congestion" message. What's the IP of the RV server, I'll do some traces bitrates are fluctuating. Down to 20.4Kbps now *** JohnWilbanks has joined #ICANN-Santiago richard we can hear you find fine I couldn't hear the responses very well they weren't talking into mics well enough. *** mlangston has joined #ICANN-Santiago hi all. Didn't realize the IRC server would be up today. *** SrikanthNarra has joined #ICANN-Santiago yes, just not during board meeting which was listen-only. hi andy ? Excellent. Thanks again, Ben! * andyg is back Hi Sri and Michael have posted on side screen a note for names council reps telling them ho wto use mic thanks ben Did you guys get my update email ajust now? I did Andy, yes. have you heard if Jon Englund is on? thanks mike That's wrong. Thre are not 80-100 messages a day, unless he's filtering out 90% of them. Ben, actually, the irc server *was* up during the BoD mtg, and a half-dozen or so of us were here. pretty quite though Who is that? Randy? Ken Stubbs Ah. he's with CORE, yes? yes, chairman of CORE *chuckle* He needs to check the list participants again. It's nothing but IDNO/NCDNHC people. :) jon englund is not on, i believe. we've got a call-in spot for him, but i believe he hasn't called. ;-( he asked about it I will email him again *** JohnWilbanks has quit IRC (QUIT: ) tks, richard. Feh. filter - a common filter is the answer mark can you give a fast update I'm so tired of these people who whine about "I don't have time to participate, I can'thandle the volume of email." i just came on Sri: ISP person was saying basically that. I just came on myself, really. ok Michael Schneider, specifically German member of ISP constituency mason can you give a fast update ? were making a difference - here comes the censorship Sure there is: You'll disallow individuals from participating. (Ken wants teleconferences for the WGs) filters are the answer boys Amadeu waants The Iron Fist Of Control. I suggest the use of filters and the posting of filter information - we can all share our filters together, and be selective. No big surprise there. *** JohnWilbanks has joined #ICANN-Santiago Why are they trying to do WG-D's work here? This is completely unfair. hmmm - interesting congestion everytime this guys starts talking i get congestion wonder why ? *** mlangston has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) maybe his voice is extra thick. :) loaded with subtext? :) here we go again..on for a few secs and back *** mlangston has joined #ICANN-Santiago why are so few comments on this ? on...? balanced working groups. I like rules. *CLAPCLAPCLAP* will they be balanced and closed working group heh there you go Thank you, Theresa. gah. lost audio. what's he saying? complaining again those who are not in constituencies will not have a voice in the names council that's the gist anyway thanks. np I have a stupid question: when will we know when the new gTLDs will come into effect ? Francois: It hasn't been decided yet. why ? *clapclapclap* That IPC guy has a good position. their nowtalking about the trolls in newsgroups Francois: It's supposed to be decided in WG-C. who are you with (mlangston) Francois: With? Nobody. Well, I'm on the steering Committee of IDNO. i think its joops email no its not I keep losing the connection. what are balanced working groups - its not been defined It looks like attempts at exclusion. exclusion is good. we can work with that good point i do understand their point - if i wasn't paid to be here - i would not bother because of all the traffic. If it's on the table, it's not in order to consider it. Feh. :) but exclusion can look very bad the board seems divided. sorry, I'm a little out of touch, but has the vote on the uniform dispute policy been postponed? benchmarks or targets? their going to vote - maybe on censoring the workgroups from the unwashed. have been heard - i think he means heated topic taking away rights. roberts rules Is Robert's Rules officially adopted? i think so Not to my knowledge. They just keep using the bits that amuse them. heh According to RR you can't offer a new motion while one is on the floor I still want to know why the NC is trying to change WG process, when they HAVE a body designated to to that work? who are majority of these guys lawyers ? mark post in comments cohen is a lawyer - the one speaking now - good friend to the tridel twins the people who have managed to work their way into positions of power don't want WG-D to take it away from them I think all the IP ones are. Others, I dunno Sri: Just did. Two comments. Are any being read during this? Doug: Heh. actually this is supposed to be a NC meeting with comments at the end but it looks like the chair is going to mention them though "If they're on the table, they're not in order." Someone HIT them with a copy of RR, please! oh, Jeez. heh we're putting notice of comments on the screen I used to be a parliamentarian, maybe I should apply for a job They once again buther parliamentary procedure in public, and then wonder why people question their ability to manage a concensus process? They desperately need one. If you won't take the job, I'd be willing, if I can carry a bat. :) yup they need an rr whip - doug - just keep pointing out the errors - this is a record of fact looks like we're going to have to do comments at the end now that the audio did not go out when he talks i wish it would go ahead and submit as we go and we will keep them warm for the comment period * andyg is back great Mark, you got your comment in! Here comes Amadeu trying to eliminate the comments. Mark's comments were just read hah! Ok mason, will do Thanks for having that read. thanks doug mark you comment to be read "Amadeu, you of all people..." :) Looks like Amadeu's tantrum won. * paulds giggles No more comments from the online folks until the end. well, fair enough, it's their meeting. As long as they do take them at the end. yep. What *is* the motion they're talking about? there are asking for comments from online something about the composition of the WG's I hope Theresa does a good job here. ** clap clap ** is this kathy ? That's Theresa Swinehart. Chair, WG-D. thanks makr mark no problem. Bwahahahah! *chuckle* That's ok. people like the rest of the NC are equally as clueless about RR. :) I actually wondered about that... Robert's is not international, but it's not like someone who doesn't have a copy couldn't get one and read it ..lol.. (Here's where I'll mention that I attempted to write an online version of RR specifically for the WG.) they should hold the meeting in really bad places that way we will get only decent committed types Like New Jersey? :) i wonder how many turn up for free airtickets to exotic places ..lol...nice one mark Is that Don Heath? yep ok. Don Telage Never saw him before. whoops! oh!. thank you Robyn. Now I don't need to know whyheath's there. :) why do you think makr mark eh? why heath is here He's not. That's Don Telage. ok hey hey hey... there's my job opportunity "external, dispassionate consulting skills" Jon Englund's there. rush rush rush hope balanced working groups does not mean secrecy parlimentary confusion ensues here is where I would be breaking out my whip No kidding. haha They're not even using the right terminology. red latex they have no idea what's going on... rofl You can't make simultaneous motions! hahah This is as bad as San Jose. * SrikanthNarra bounces around the channel. jeff, you have a fixation for red latex is that javier? I'd be absolutely embarassed if I were them. yes yup - i like women in red latex - it's real sexy none of the amendments have been voted on... you can't have two amendments pending at the same time i like ester - she's sexy - a snake a man can appreciate *bap bap bap* ..lol... there is one motion being worded now i'll sut up I think I'll send Esther some of my famous chocolate chip cookies... by the way this is the first time for 6 new members the rest of us have no excues excuse good question The reason they don't want anything like Robert's in the Wgs is because they're completely clueless aboput how they work, and this just underscores that point. Jeez, Amadeu. That's already provided for in the ICANN bylaws! Roberts are not applied in many parts of the world * paulds hands Richard a great chocolate chip cookie with an apologetic look. thanks True. But all of these people, having positions that they do, have prior experience with them. I.e., they should know better. I don't think that is true True, but it's well accepted and more importantly, well tested as far as I know and a general outline of RR could fit on one page mark put in another comment pls its if getting funny Roberts Rules isn't entirely well suited to this kind of work. not all these people are experienced organizers Though it may be better than nothing. I used to teach amateurs how to run a meeting with RR No point, Sri. By the time they get to it, it wouldn't be relevant. the members of San Jose did circulate RR after the meeting :-( heh.. that's helpful Jon: You're saying RR isn't suited to a f2f board meeting? Mark, and all... Please go ahead and submit comments online... as we can save them in a queue for the comment period... and zittrain will get mic time. Jon, you obviously can't adhere strictly to RR for on line discussions, but when you're doing real time it's indispensable They could have cut an hour out of this meeting by dealing with one issue at a time :) Javier's basically giving up on WG-C right now. yeah, he is obviously trying to end run something text of the motion is online and linked off the nc agenda you may have to reload though we don't have kathy's change Thanks John. hey, realtime html is my life ;-) So, in short, they want to limit WG participation. though I'd rather have realtime comments *CLAPCLAPCLAP* *** DennisSchaefer has joined #ICANN-Santiago Thank $DIETY that failed. * andyg is away since 3:43:42 PM - automagically set away after 10 min idling. Msglog [ON] ...but you desperately need one! *chuckle* Those are called "dilatory motions". hi dennis hey sri/dianne/mason/mark Lose 'em! hello dennis any significant motions pass? Nope. Javier's attempt to limit WG participation just failed. thanks Don. a bunch of people who are more ignorant on procedure than i am he's someone who should have a lot of experience with this sort of thing. * andyg is back hi dennis, did you get my email update ? hi andy, not yet, I'm about to log on to email now Someone should just call them dilatory, call javier argumentative, reprimand him, and move on. cool. email me back your thoughts mark was javier trying to adopt his wg c approach for all groups? Dennis: It's linked off the agenda page right now. motions link is current with all three... thanks! But in a sense, yes. is that amadeo He formalized the stuff from that teleconference. Amen! NC != WG-D "We're not WG-D." ...which is the comment that's been sitting in the queue for about 20 minutes while they demonstrated their ignorance of parliamentary procedure. and they're DILATORY! Call orders of the day. THAT takes precedence. heh we did display that comment on the screen, mark john: thanks. It must've sunk in for a few people there. :) full text of motion is in scribe's notes. i think. Is the scribe getting the exact vote count? I hope so. no, it's linked off the agenda. but it is there. Dammit! Motion 2 carried. I thought that was just the motion to call the vote? Which (my reading says) limits participation to 2 people from each constituency. motion two has not yet been voted upon Do we have a mechanism for armed revolt? :) I thought they just voted on it. as far as I can tell, stubbs just called for the quesiton Oh. Yeah, they are just calling the question I must've missed that very clear call of the question. :) I'll ratchet my nerves down a notch, then. heh grr. Today's Udon day in the cafeteria, and I'm hungry. But I don't want to miss this. udon? Mmmm... Japanese noodle soup. noodles... ahhh *very* good, and quite spicy. *clapclapclap* get someone to deliver food to you, Mark! They just removed the "two" limitation from that motion. Andy: I'm in a secure area. I'd have to go to the front entrance to get it. fresh version of motions page up (changes to motion 2) up Still says "two" here. on the scribe portion right? John, URL for the motions page? I think I'm looking for it in the wrong place. go to the agenda refresh it under WG Groups, number 4... ah, ching, thanks I _was_ looking in the wrong place no problem... ahhh, on the agenda... the print is sooo large I don't have it in the scribe notes as we do cut-and-paste from word docs into a script window and it's easier to do realtime updates to the agenda as otherwise I lose the text on the next cut and paste I will work on the look of the motions page in short, processed is automated... hard to change on the fly. (semi-automated...) better next time, we should be so lucky. a "provisional motion"?!? No such beast. YJ Park is not a native english speaker looks better now. **clap clap ** Is there such thing as a parliamentary LART? i agree who is this lady ? YJ Park from Korea break time... woo! break! I'm gonna go grab a quick bowl of noodles. an amendment to the motion to vote??? brb. *chuckle* geez... Richard, have some caffeine, not another beer. :) good idea... 5am = coffee time 5:00am, sleep time! how long is this break way past sleep time! yeah, did they mention the break duration? I'll ask I didn't hear a discussion of that, I think it's on the agenda? i hear wsj put out a article anyone read it ? cuz REUNA always kills the feed during breaks, so we need to know when to start trying to reconnect. d'oh, guess not Sri, no, got an URL? berkman's still live, and the poor guy on the phone wants to know how long the break is too *chuckle* no paulds its a paid service i just heard about it * andyg is away since 4:02:31 PM - automagically set away after 10 min idling. Msglog [ON] was trying to see if i can get a glimpse on it ah thanks richard *** MichaelFroomkin has joined #ICANN-Santiago hi michael I was away - anything big happen? srikanth, joop says hey...as he looks over the computer... on break duration unspecified. :) hi joop joop thanks all of you for your efforts... ok, I am back from my break, what about the rest... michael, mostly spent time getting lost in parliamentary procedures. can any or all of you send your conceptions of the chat/meeting via email to joop? you and andy did us all proud joop John, what do you mean by "conceptions"? joop is over and out, just me now Joop wants summaries of the chat room, used his phrase... thanks john ah, k Why does the NC vote rather than work by 'consensus'? * paulds is away: (Nature calls...) [BX-MsgLog On] does RR have a system to do that? do we have a consensus here htat reuna's policy of turning off encoder during breaks is bad. its kinda difficult ben ooops I just got cut off the teleconference... trying to patch again from the US windows acts funny on my machine when its off * paulds is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 2 min 47 secs aaaiiiieee... loud dial tone! Ben, yeah, it's nicer if they can leave it up. or maybe i am just normally cut off - the message says outdated link or kind That way we know right away when things are starting back up, et al is it becaues it is cut off ? Sri, yeah, it's trying to contact a feed that isn't running. someone's doing a sound check on the audio feed. thanks paulds thanks ben is Jon on now? ben pls tell us when the connection is on so i can retry to connect they are coming back to the table now hm, must've been a 15 min break then. :) richard good comments Back! quick udon! Perfect timing! real japanese style slurping? I'm still chocking on some of the rooster sauce. :) berkman feeds are up audio, at least thanks john erm, choking, that is. and the vid from us should be good too I'm getting video from berkman audio has been up, but silent. no idea on reuna They were out of fishcackes and shrimp, so it was just broth, noodles, cabbage, seaweed, and spice. berkman audio went down and back up quickly testing reuna now as we lost some conference feeds It's a bit quicker when you don't have to fish the bottom of the bowl. :) REUNA is up so far so good back on the conference call we are back now, fyi... esther dyson is now online in live chat abcnews mason, where's that? what is she saying mason ? esther is sitting in the front row here as well, fyi Wait. Did Amadeu and javier just declare themselves chair of this meeting? Jeez. the chair asked amadeu to take over http://chat.abcnews.go.com/chat/chat.dll?room=e_dyson (bad choice IMO) $DIETY help us. i wonder what the link i was email is? So it'll just be "The Amadeu and Javier Opinion Hour" now. thanks mason i am headed there sorry - she was on at 4 The chair should not vote. motion 3 on the table now floor. d'oh, sorry np. :) heh... s'ok actually I red up on that, the chair can vote They do it so much, I'm not surprised it's speading. if the group agrees that it is ok only to break a tie I guess it is ok for smaller groups Oh, I didn't say the chair couldn't, just that the chair shouldn't. congestion (I was doing some studying!) err... according to robert's, the bylaws might say different Unless it is a critical vote, and can be swayed by the chair. I dont think we should be voting at all right now *** ivan7 has joined #ICANN-Santiago NO! NOnonononononoNNNO! This isn't kindergarten, fer cryin out loud. You'll have consensus in two weeks, or the NC will punish you. * andyg is back IDNO members - please keep clearing your email until you get an important URL from me! * DougBarton raises his hand to volunteer for that job *chuckle* forget it, Jeff's already posted it! good grief * mlangston raises his hand as well. mark andy dennis need help at abc chat dyson is whitewashing the meet results ABC chat? can type it in again - everyone ready? the chat is pretty uninteresting, IMHO. Very generic, "we're working on stuff" answers. PR. For the Masses. http://www.abcnews.go.com/chat/chat.dll?room=e_dyson I can't do that. Browser won't handle it. bzzzt can't offer a new motion at this point at what letter are they in the agenda we are in wg updates Letter D I asked her to update folks on the at-large membership development process. [shrug] ok, got that page working. Asked her when she's planning on obeying ICANN's bylaws w.r.t. the IDNO petition. *** DennisSchaefer has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) ben, is the new motion up on the agenda? *** dianecabell has quit IRC (QUIT: ) new text is up on the motions page I think ABC may be vetting questions, or she may have the ability to decide which ones to answer, and the others are dropped? linked from the agenda just refresh ABC's vetting them. no, sri, it's becuase they turn off th efeed. Esther is still typing away at this end, but no new topics appearing on the ABC page :^( I've submitted 3. They're probably being swamped. :) i have submitted one It should be enough of a message if several dozen IDNOers start probing her. Esther doesn't need to see the questions -- just ABC. That should clue them into the story. accepting ammendments? *shakes head* *bap bap bap* Look, how much would it cost to buy them each a damned copy of RR? John, or someone: Would you display on the screen a URL to RR? :) amendment listed in scribe notes - refresh I don't have time to surf to roberts rules Oh, I'll get a URL for you. :) It means "floor". *snicker* can't promise it gets displayed on screen. John: Don't mind me. I'm venting. one big screen shows scribe notes other screen shows current motion I am personally familiar with them just a little hectic here Patrick just got a nice question on ABC. :) Heh... I can imagine there John When realtime comments are allowed I don't even have time to chat :-) fresh motions page up off agenda We'll never have our online comments addressed because they wasted all their time bumbling through RR. Ooh, ABC moderator just asked about IDNO mark - to do anything as berkman staff you need thick skin, so no worry Said there had been lots of questions John: Could be worse. We could all be a bunch of Yalies. :) heh... they are getting kicked out of the room? that's rich in 15 minutes. hey, I went to tulane! :) and yes, the locals require that we vacate and break down system by 7:30 Hm. Esther's about to spin this all in favor of ICANN. Feh. so the time limit for nc is 5pm oooh, so I get an hour of sleep before starting work! woo hoo hte moderated just asked her what happened o idno petition I'll bet you a doughnut that they continue the meeting somewhere else, where there will be no oversight, and no public face to put on. don't worry we have no face :-) yeah! Go ABC moderator! I'd be hard to move the mtg with two people on teleconference. scribe notes are fresh again *** ivan7 has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) andy that guy is modelating in her favor Mmm. Hadn't thought of that, Paul. Good point. But then, they often carry on missing a few members. true, possible *** alexk has joined #ICANN-Santiago and this is the only room in Santiago with teleconference capability Richard could raise a fuss. :) I doubt they will want more of this hah Is Esther typing furtively? :) I should say "we" want more of this we need to sit down over beers and get a little silly I think Oh, geez. Esther's answer is sickening. richard -- i will take that challenge john, you are on! please submit comments for our archive via the form on broadcast.asp Here is my comment they are all a bunch of loonies end of comment Richard, sounds great. :) *** DennisSchaefer has joined #ICANN-Santiago dont forget this is once again the first time many have met each other Invite Don Telage, he's a fun drinkin' buddy. :) Heh... I think that was pretty obvious richard definately, all welcome, shots included *** MichaelFroomkin has quit IRC (QUIT: ) I meant there are 6 new members, some I have not yet met anyone watching esther's chat on abc? again, if you want your comments (which are linked off of the same page as the agenda, etc. and part of the authoritative archive) you best submit them ASAP. Ben, FWIW, the REUNA feed has been flawless this afternoon. only 0.04% packet loss. Dunno 'bout Berkman though. cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/santiago/realtime/broadcast.asp yes, net has been much better today. \luck of the draw, i guess is your link to the comment submission form berkman video feed sits at solid 15 users all afternoon Berkman's been pretty good. Was worse yesterday when it was constantly at capacity. no doubt ... we were pushing net harder that day, what with remote comments also. Again, Ben, everyone else there, thanks for all the effort. we're submitting to the abc chat, but our q's aren't appearing! Andy: They're picked through by the ABC folks, and then a handful are passed on to Esther. joop is talking on abcnews chat that is abcnews what? ah. I was scanning the room for a TV camera! we are getting ready to turn off the tech. someone is angry *** PaulStahura has joined #ICANN-Santiago thanks to all of you for participating Javier can really be an ass good for him and please send your suggestions to make this better for LA and on... they only have two minutes it's been fun, in a stressful way. this would be funny if it weren't so sad Thanks again, to all the Berkman folks. Much appreciated. john, the real time stuff was awesome, thanks ben did a great job scribing, and the system worked great for realtime comments Who do I send my resume to for being parliamentarian at LA? john wilbanks outta here *** JohnWilbanks has quit IRC (QUIT: ) Javier need a valium. Please *do* run the IRC channel at future meetings, too. Very very useful IMHO. For LA, we need tables, power points and Ethernet for everyone! :^) I'm not kidding BTW, does anyone know where I can write about this? *** alexk has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) ...and power outlets Andy? who is the guy wityh a spanish accent ? :) in the blue shirt Dennis got a *good* question in for Esther. yeah, will Esther answer it though? doubt it. javier hates losing control - he's sweet Heh. She said she's an individual, she didn't say what Dennis thinks she said, and that she has a lot of commercial interests. Then invited Dennis to continue it in e-mail. Oh, and she spells like JeffW. :) i wonder? they do say she's cia Is the GA part of the DNSO as defined in this motion? javier sounds like the valium is working 9 is not a majority in 18. GEEZ! who is the guy with the blue shirt and a spanish accent ? *chuckle* Get 'im, Park! That's...Javier. Javier needs more valium NO AMADEU APRIL I APRIL (Or Amadeu. I can't see either right now.) It's amadeu Oh, yep. That's Amadeu. is he a board member ? javier is to his right congestion Unfortunately. Amadeo is fat and Javier is average build - which one is anything worthwhile happening ? Javier is sitting to Amadeu's right, wearing a mustard shirt Never, Sri. :) Amadeu is on the NC with the Registrar constituency the guy with the mike right now his he a board member ? There is no "board" DNSO has a Names Council (NC) They're talking about the ICANN BoD, aren't they? My comment was to Francois. oh. Missed that, sorry. ok FrancoisMenard: http://www.dnso.org/constituency/ncmembers.html They got another hour for the room. should give you a good overview * paulds finds himself agreeing with Amadeu. me too. I feel so...dirty. dyson fled the abc chat room not setting an agenda beforehand is just ASKING for trouble I think she realized we found her, and she ran. :) oh man.... that's a horrible idea said a clumpse goodbye and ran away ..lol.. She's going to start regretting ignoring us. Now the media are constantly asking her about us. :) i hope they do There is no such thing as a "simple" set of rules of order Even the NY Times mentioned us. even better i heard wsj did too They need to appoint a parliamentarian. they need u mark man... I am so serious, where do I send the e-mail? Was the WSJ article today? Doug: Errr..>Roberts? :) that's exactly opposite of what it should be.. they SHOULD have someone who is not part of the NC as chair it would solve a lot of problems Anyone notice that during Santiago, Jeffw's spawned about 3 new personalities to keep himself company, since no one else has been on the lists? They need a freaking CLASS. Good, Richard. "I'm completely confused as to where I am, and why." - Amadeu. That's going in a sigfile. :) Hmmm... I'll put that on my Quotes 'R' Us website. :) *LAUGH* ICANN doesn't even have any money. I won't charge them anything Doug: There you go. They just said we should use volunteers for parliamentary procedure. * andyg is away since 5:14:27 PM - automagically set away after 10 min idling. Msglog [ON] Richard, tell them they have a volunteer. Just send email to the entire NC volunteering your expertise. what's the e-mail address? Are you a member of the Parliamentarian organization? yes, that's an excellent suggestion... they need a secretary Good question. Anyone know an email address for the entire NC? no, I never had time... I just did a lot of it in college They have a secretariat. Elisabeth Prteneuve. no, but this has most of them: http://www.dnso.org/constituency/ncmembers.html ok, thanks I did a lot of it in college myself. In situations just like this. sorry I wasn't watching for a while (two contested presidential elections) send a mail to me and I will forward it to the NC list (it is closed) richard@interq.ad.jp that is for volunteering There you go, Doug. Thank you Richard, I'll get it out today I will forward it once I recover from this night... Any good beer in Chile? :) i am cut off heh if you get it to me right away I will forward it Mark, I am in Japan by the way, lots of great beer mark there is a world food expo going on i think Eh, *rice*-based beer... Ok, I need to finish what I'm doing at work right this minute, I do have a real job :) *** RussSmith has joined #ICANN-Santiago Oh, indeed! :) How is tomorrow? ;) did javier cut off the teleconf caller no I am here Ick. It's what, 6am there? i mean on the real vide - oh :-) Ok, that Amadeu quote is the Quote-of-the-Day for my mailing list tomorrow morning. :) yes, going on 6:30 sounded like someone questioning the chairmans authority - and then click - javier cut in time for work soon - I may crash in the corner for a second I don't blame you Hi richard.... Get some sleep got a big day today, unfortunately sleep is out :-( that's what lunchtime is for ...assuming you have time for lunch.:) I never have time for lunch :-) Wait, what did Amadeu just say about people who tend to grab the mike and never stop talking? :) *bhahwhhah.* Now I have to get this Pepsi off my monitor. a "reasonable set of rules" for chairing a meeting? No such thing, if you mean "short" by "reasonable". Read a book, people! ...then Amadeu and Javier should step back from the table right now. :) my screen is froozen is everyone getting connection fine ? Mine's ok, Sri. thanks makr No problem. damned i keep crusifying your name Mine (REUNA) is still fine :) is dennis around ? heh. Chris Kelley from the US Dept. of Justice is listed in remote participants. :) hah hi chris maybe we will see some justice now :) Sri: On the Berkman list of remote participants. i got a few secs late running out of cafe "ICANN has paid assistants. Why can't we?" Whine whine whine. Doh! Everyone check the top story on Newsbytes. url mark www.newsbytes.com well we do need a more permanent secretariat also please post to our member list all the urls as they come alone and a permanent webmaster Orrin Hatch is gonna be sued for slandering a cybersquatter. yes, the secretariat is a requirement if you're going to get any real work done Cybersquatter Says Will Sue Hatch Over Domain Names - Update kewl i like it bush build around 12 million hits a day for gwbush.com hey, they're gonna do the Q&A *CLAPCLAPLCLAP* Finally, something substantive! go for it makr gosh here again ack! I just lost audio No, they're planning on trying to put the grievancve procedure in place. I did too. Someone yanked out the audio on the webcast. Which feed you guys using? Berkman. berkman REUNA is working good I can't use it. And faster than Berkman. Oh yeah sorry, forgot Berkman's the only thing that feeds through firewalls. Damn. lost sound does their audio-only work through fw? They spend an hour doing nothing, they finally get something to work on now, and I lose audio. paul;: No. poo they're still voting On what? berkman is working for me.... currently. establishing a grievance procedure for within DNSO berkman's audio only is working now... I get an error from the reuna link 6? in favor bunch of abstentions motion failed Still no audio here. sounded like majority abstained 4 some reason The motion to put a grievance procedure into place because they're in volation of ICANN bylaws without one FAILED?!? Motion to approve some ICANN deadlines... Oh, jeez! The one RATIONAL thing anyone's said all day, and it FAILS?!? * paulds shrugs. Damn, I wish I had audio. well this is supposed to be part of committee D Ken wants a clarification on something... I voted in favor, because it seems so common sense common sense is rather uncommon today :) If a motion is proposed on the mailing list, and it is seconded, and discussion ensues, can they vote online and not wait til a meeting? well, they ordered WG-D to do something else in 2 weeks, why can't they have it come up with the grievance procedure too? but there is so much not finished yet, that we could spend all day passing motions on what is not done yet Ken wants to know if they can vote on the list in addition to NC meetings I think it should Someone is talking off-mike Amadeu wants to move the meeting onward... Not until they make the NC mailing list public, like they're supposed to have already done. paul, the proper way to handle that is to allow the vote if the matter must be disposed of before the next face to face meeting, otherwise schedule it on the next meeting's agenda (I'm just reporting here, not opinionating) (trying to pass on for those without audio) I've come to the realization that the interesting bits here are not the pictures of these people... :/ Thank you, paul. :) Open mike for comments to the NC now Shiny donut to the first person to dress them down for this ludicrous meeting! Maybe online comments will also be handled now... someone advocated having 3 neutral members berkman's audio for the video feed is still down? someone moves for adjournment Open mike? There's no one there? seconded. Doug: Yes, it is. wtf... feed stopped Cute. feed stoped here too *** MariuszKondrat has joined #ICANN-Santiago geez grrfl... and now there is no audio from berkman either Public comment time: Adjourn! Adjourn! Dive! Dive! ok, I guess that is it. what was all that? doug send me a mail and I will forward it quick ending, retreat... GAH! Didn't they say earlier there'd be time for comments at the end??? I will definitely do that, and thanks for being willing to forward it run away run away! get some sleep :) Run away before someone remembers all those public comments they deferred earlier. *DAMN* that happened fast! losers. I am going to sleep in the corner of my office for an hour by all! bye richard bye Richard,. goodnight *** RichardLindsay has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) That just makes me so angry., I don't blame you geez... One second they're asking for questions, then before I can even finishe typing, they've moved, seconded, and voted to adjourn! well, off to work with me. me too, nice chatting with you fellows bye everyone. I'm going to go cool off. *** mlangston has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) *** PaulStahura has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** DougBarton has quit IRC (QUIT: using sirc version 2.211+n0thing-v2.5.pl+watch.pl+ssfe) sigh anyone see joop around Do we still have anyone in the room online? not everyone someone express my gratitude to joop Or are they all tearing down tech stuff * MariuszKondrat rings the bell Oh well. Since this is all being logged, I'll just thank the botz. Bots, please thank the Berkman staff once again. They've done a smashing job as per usual. *** andyg has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** edelman has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** JonZittrain has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) hurry to that hurray bless berkman staff * paulds has been neglecting his girlfriend for three days now. Time 2 go. :) take some flowers paulds Bravo to Jon,Josh, Ben, John ... seriously great work! they alway fall for it Hah, did that yesterday. :) talk to you all later... *** paulds has quit IRC (QUIT: gf duties.) try a bottle of wine in a unbreakable bottle *** FrancoisMenard has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** Robyn has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) *** RussSmith has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** DennisSchaefer has quit IRC (QUIT: )