| Nickname - Message |
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| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 06:55) Good morning, folks. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 06:56) We'll be starting a little late this morning, I'm told, but likely within the next 20 minutes, I would think. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 06:56) Fine. Hi Joe. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 06:57) Hi Pascal - how are you this fine morning |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 06:57) Fine thanks. Long not heard of you. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 06:58) busy these days. i run the a bank lan these days in nyc and am always on the phone with them. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 06:58) :-) So am I. Projects to be completed and reported. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:02) ya - i know - i just wondering weither it's worth while to be up with the chickens for this ICANN garbage. I always know how the show ends - sometimes I ask myself why I bother at all. But here I am up with the chikens |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:04) LOL. It's 01:00 PM no chickens singing anymore. Still I don't know neither, my presence on the WebCast has a *political* charakter... Got a few discussions with Sabine Dolderer of the DeNIC... |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:05) hi all |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:05) Hi Sergio |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:05) excellent - i know your in europe - i should call you sometimes just to say hi. |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:05) is the meeting already started? |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:06) no their making finishing touch ups to the actors makeup. And making sure all know their appropriate lines and responses. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:06) 'll leave you my phone per Email. BUt I could call you too.. :-) |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:06) Good morning, folks. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:06) We'll be starting a little late this morning, I'm told, but likely within the next 20 minutes, I would think. |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:06) thanks baptista... |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:07) The next, next 20 minutes, Ben?? |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:07) sure sounds nice - it just does not cost me anything these days - so i call everybody and bother them direct. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:08) Okay... Free oversea call is the best communication way... <g> |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:10) what do you guys think of the ALSC report? |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:10) i love it - its a real benefit to touch base with people directly. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:11) ALSC = SHIT and one of the icann directors "muller" i think seems to agree. |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:11) ... dunno if I agree with that SHIT thang. the idea is fine but the term is not that good. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:11) Pascal, I can't say for sure. The chairs are waiting until they sense that enough audience members are here to make it logical to begin. |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:12) You should have to call them, they'r all at the beach. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:12) muller came up with it - i think it sounded a bit funny myself - but the SHIT acronym is appropriate. |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:13) yeah... it sounds what he meant |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:13) i think so - a little play on words so to speak. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:13) ALSC: Principle okay... But don't let imperators talk about democracy. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:14) Hi Leah, how are you doing? |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:14) Dunno what to think. They could try half the board with ALD. just try. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:15) If you don't ask, I promise not to tell. :) |
| <sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:15) It could work. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:15) Hi Leah - hope you slept well |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:15) not at all, Joe |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:15) sorry |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:16) jeff williams called me last nite - but was sleeping. i wonder if he'll show. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:18) so am i today. i just finished transferring responsibility for the .ICANN TLD from nameslingers to DOT HUMANRIGHTS TRUST. The registry should go live this weekend. Have to grandfather in nameslinger SLD's. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:30) Joe, do you know if Jefsey is attending RL? |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:30) Hi Dena. |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:30) Hello Pascal :) |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:31) How are you doing? |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:31) Doing well...very busy, and you? |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:31) So am I.... Busy. ;-) |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:32) Didn't hear much from ORSC the last days. |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:33) Everyone is normally quiet in August I think. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:33) The DNSO General Assembly meeting has begun. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:35) i'm not surprised there's more participation - i expect more |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:36) sorry Pascal was away - don't know what Jeffsey is doing these days. tried to call him some time back. |
| <anon46> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:38) Hello all |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:39) whois anon46 |
| <anon46> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:39) Keith Davidson - .nz - How are you Bap? |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:43) Is Elisabeth from the French ccTLD? |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:43) basically she's never been paid for her work so she's off. understandable - they never made her dreams of being paided a salary at the DNSO a reality - bye bye elizabeth - we won't miss you. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:43) Hi Keith - i'm fine. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:43) up with the chikens today |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:45) thats better - now we know who you are |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:45) Sorry 'bout that Jo |
| <anon56> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:47) Morning y'all. What've I missed? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:48) Don't know anon56 - just arrived myself |
| <anon56> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:49) Ben, how come this thing pops open before letting me put in my name? (Judith Oppenheimer here.) |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:51) Judith - type in " /nick Judith Oppenheimer " |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:52) Judith - type in /nick Judith_Oppenheimer" |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:52) in your chat window |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:53) See... |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:53) Thanks. (learn something new every day) |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:53) np |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:55) Ben - when we get to the public questions soon, can we ask you to ask on our behalf from here, or do we have to email someone? |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:57) Keith, you may submit a question or comment using the Comment Submission Form that is linked off the main webcast page where you got the link for the video and discussion forum. |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 07:58) Thanks Rebecca - found it :-) |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:02) just do a /nick Your Name |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:02) just lost feed |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:02) me too |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:03) Feed is great here - using Real - really clear vid and sound and no stops.. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:04) Feed was away for 2 min. but is back now. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:09) lost feed again |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:10) Has been non-stop here.. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:19) catch that Joe? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:19) They are monitoring the alternative naming systems |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:20) hey |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:20) hi Gary |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:20) Hi Gary |
| <anon56> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:21) Hi Gary. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:21) The .BIZ presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/dotbiz.html> and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:25) The amount of spam from registrars of .biz and .info has been the majority of my total spam over the past few months... |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:25) How about for others? |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:26) There was a significant number of spams about it here. |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:27) I have just no idea for what the registering of trademark in the sunrise period is useful... |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:27) Shouldn't ICANN be doing something to stop the spam - e.g. asking/telling the registries to not deal with the registrars who spam?? |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:28) The .info presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/dotinfo.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:28) Don't agree with that. ICANN has enough might already. |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:29) But if they don't do anything, they will be seen to be spam friendly... |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:29) Keith, I suspect they do not want to involve themselves in a registrar's "business model" |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:29) Isn't that a cop-out? |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:30) Well...I do know that opinion has been presented before on other things. |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:31) yes - i know they monitor us - and why not - we are the future |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:31) .BIZ sound like a lottery cum make work project |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:32) I keep losing feed |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:32) So am I |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:32) have to reconnect |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:33) This time I lost it too. Mine was good 'til now. |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:33) Me too. Ben, why is private overwriting chat rather than opening new window? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:34) I lost mine too Leah |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:34) Back on stage |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:34) Its back. Don't .biz challenges cost $$? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:34) Keith, I have to keep hitting "play" and it reconnects |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:35) Did I hear him say eligible to "own" that name? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:35) yep |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:35) sure did |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:35) Yes. He expects live names ... I expected shelved names ... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:36) sunrise = barf |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:36) What do you mean "shelved" Judith? |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:36) i like yonger - he's a good egg. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:36) he we go. The sham study |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:36) Put it on a shelf, registered mainly for replication purposes, not use. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:37) He's doing a good job, Joe. He's getting slammed by the GA because he leads |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:37) Leah, that's what Bob Connelly said. |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:37) (the barf) |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:37) i'm very happy the GA is finally free of those two bozos - roberto and whats his name |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:38) elizabeths departure is also excelelnt news. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:38) The ALSC committee is one of the worst shams we've seen yet. |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:39) Its certainly getting the accurate press it deserves. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:39) Goal - destroy the at-large and dissallow statutory membership |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:40) i think icanns only goal is screw the public for as long as they can. shame on them all. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:40) relegate it to the SO, ensuring no membership status and limit it to dn holders to avoid the majority of the public |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:40) avoid any majority vote on the board too |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:41) I read yesterday that study is akin to women's and Black's studies of the 50's, with no women or Blacks involved and chartered to maintain status quo ... good analogy, I thought |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:43) Usually the way Judith |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:43) Judith, does it remind you of conditions prior to the French Revolution? Let them eat cake? |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:43) "failsafe" ... "selection" (such an ominous word, to my mind) ... |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:44) Selection reminds me of my parents' homeland, Nazi Germany |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:44) It's a great way to totally emasculate any real voice for the at-large |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:45) Leah, you have to remember that this is all pagentry, has been since inception. Can't take any of it at face value. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:45) But watch, this is what ICANN will do. Bet me. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:45) of course, Judith. Lip service while they move the tanks out of the yard and onto the streets |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:46) Now the ALS |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:46) O is asking for money |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:46) for more travel opps, no doubt |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:46) I wouldn't contribute one cent unless it is open to the public and NOT an SO, but statutory membership |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:47) My dear, I hate to tell you this, but what do you think domain name registrations pay for? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:47) How can they defend this study report? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:47) I know that Judith. It's just frustrating and I'm venting |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:47) I know, me too. I shoulda stayed in bed. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:48) I'm thinking about it |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:48) there's that "selecting" board members again ... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:48) This is sickening. Next is the dissolution of the DNSO and including it in the ALSO |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:49) He is very much presenting this as a done deal. |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:49) <sigh> |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:49) the at-large members could be from Mars if they have a stake in the internet |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:50) Judith, darn it, it IS a done deal and we all know it |
| <anon142> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:50) hello, it's Joanna Lane |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:50) When will people realize that all of this is eye candy |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:50) Hey Joanna |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:51) change your nick by typing /nick Joanna_Lane |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:51) Hi Joanna - type in " /nick Joanna " |
| <Joanna_Lane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:51) Thanks! |
| <anon139> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:51) Hi |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:52) They are presenting the sham of the ALSC and NAIS reports now |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:52) Who is that speaking? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:53) I wish those with the "anon" nicks would change to names :) |
| <Joanna_Lane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:53) I thought the NAIS was good in recommending adoption of the UN Charter of Human Rights and a global judiciary |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:54) There are several good points in the report. I have not had a chance to read it entirely |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:55) You know, I think ICANN needs to really look at some old Star Trek scripts... |
| <anon151> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:55) TAnsug |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:55) world federation - do not interfere with countries |
| <Joanna_Lane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:55) There's a lot of material out there to read right now |
| <Joanna_Lane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:56) Did you read David Post's piece on Icannwtahc, The Real ICANN? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:56) You worried Vint is watching Leah?? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:56) Why, Keith? He knows where I stand on everything. He doesn't much care |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:57) Just ypur comment re the anons changing their nicks... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:57) He works for the power brokers and is well paid to do so |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:57) oh, no :) It's just nice to have names to address |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:58) rather than anonymous, especially here |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:58) true that |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:58) Nothing to hide here unless there is a reason |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:58) Most of us know one another from some list or other. :) |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:59) hey Andrew :) thanks |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:59) The transcript of these chat sessions go onto the ICANN meeting archives though |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:59) so? |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:59) evidence of significant disatisfaction |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:59) Perhaps some of the comments that are read by people would have more clout if there were real names attached |
| <anon151> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 08:59) Hi, I couldn't change the options of chat session here so still I'm anonymous. How can I change that? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:00) Don't have to be surnames |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:00) used to signify the "crazies" waiting in the wings, no doubt |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:00) Leah - that may be why some people wish to stay anon... |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:00) does everyone know how to? just type "/nick YourNewName" (without the quotes) |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:00) anon151, you can type /nick yourname |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:00) The ALSC presentation is now available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/alsc-ga.html |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:00) It is also linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Tansug> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:01) Like this? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:01) Judith, that remark was one of the most insulting I've seen published yet. Don't you think so? |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:01) sometimes they just forget their icann-speak code and the veil drops ... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:01) Keith, well call us all "crazies" then. It is we they are referring to |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:01) brb |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:02) Is the NAIS meeting going to have any sort of webcast - audio or phone link? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:02) anyone know? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:03) No idea Leah |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:05) I am against an ALSO in case no one caught that |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:05) takes the teeth right out of the at-large "membership" |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:08) So the cost of an individual having any say in ICANN is about to increase by the cost of having to get a domain name... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:08) hehe, great slight to the NC |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:09) and the board |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:10) Keith, yes. And that will be a serious barrier in much of the world. In addition, why the heck should IT professionals have to have a domain name to have a say |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:10) or, for that matter most of the users who have no need for a domain but pay for services every day |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:10) it's the feudal system |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:10) landowners vs serfs |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:11) Yes - also its not so much the cost of a domain name, but the ongoing cost of hosting it, in many countries... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:11) and other issues, Keith |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:11) On the other side of that though, is that if their concern is a non-qualified representation a fee does not resolve that issue or make anyone more qualified to comment. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:11) the majority of dn holders are businesses. Unless you are willing to count the subdomains issued by providers, you cut all of them out |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:12) the users, I mean |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:13) 666 hmmmm - devilish |
| <Tansug> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:13) Salute to all from Istanbul, Turkey... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:13) welcome Tansug |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:13) 6 directors representing "how many million/billion" users? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:14) If they take it to less than half the board, it defeats the purpose |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:15) That's the mantra - participation - lip service with no vote |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:16) Isn't it supposed to be question time? |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:17) The ALSO is like that old joke ... "let's talk about you ... what do you think about me?!" |
| <Tansug> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:17) Judith's comment reminda the "digital divide" in fact... |
| <Tansug> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:18) -reminds- |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:18) Gee, 23 to 1 ... sounds like consensus to me! |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:20) Good question from Joop.. |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:20) at large has "personalities", committee has "skills" |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:20) Bull |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:21) Boy, these guys have an MBA in semantics |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:21) you mean of course bullshit |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:21) precisely |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:22) very accomplished answer from Wong; I hardly smelled a thing |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:22) lol ... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:22) awww geez, would it have made a difference? hahahahaha |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:22) oh gawd, Marilyn ... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:22) yeah, hehe, short, concise and nothing to back it up |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:24) When Marylin is saying *we*, who does she mean? (My audio skipped a few seconds) |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:25) BC and IPC should be "provides" because they are "policy providers" ... what a hoot! |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:25) that's "providers" |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:26) Marilyn's concerned about maintain turf |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:26) tell me it ain't so... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:26) notice that the number is stuck on "6" and they are not even considering the "9" |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:26) Also remember ALL the statements and the bylaws which mandate "9" |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:27) We need a translation |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:27) let's see, so far at-large has "personalities", ALSC has "skills", and IP lobby is "policy provider" ... |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:28) She asked if ALSO and NAIS are working together, or how they are coming to the same conclusions... |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:28) If my translation is roughly right |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:28) and nowhere is the opinion of the at-large |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:28) which same conclusions? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:28) the "real" at-large |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:29) Representation numbers on ICANN board and something else I didn't catch |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:29) good question |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:30) The NAIS presentation is now available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/nais-ga/html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:31) add another one ... "academic" means "doesn't work" ... |
| <Sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:32) Rebecca, could you please correct the url? =) |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:32) The NAIS presentation is now available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/nais-ga.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:32) My apologies |
| <Sergio> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:32) thanks :) |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:33) Let some people ask some questions.... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:33) I am so sick of hearing that domain names is the only issue for the at-large :( |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:33) "works" doesn't mean works for the internet, it means works for the existing (exclusionary) board ... oh boy |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:33) What about protocols and IP addressing |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:34) and IP6 and Internet2? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:34) you mean IPV6? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:34) yep |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:35) Keith, the at-large must be involved in the whole picture, not just domain names. That was the point of the White Paper and MOU |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:35) I am agreeing Leah - there are plenty of "names and numbers" issues that are way beyond domain names |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:36) If ICANN is to "coordinate" addressing and protocols, then the at-large must have its voice |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:36) In the end, addressing will be the most important, next protocols, then domain names |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:36) 666 = devils number... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:36) yes |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:36) ICANN - 666 |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:37) well - the devil is always served by babel - so 666 is the appropriate mark for this beast called icann |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:38) i'll be leaving for awhile - so have fun folks |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:39) interesting obvservation, Keith (666) |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:39) bye Joe |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:39) seeya bap |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:39) The ccTLD powerpoint presentation is now available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/icann/pres/cctld-ga.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Tansug> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:40) Rebecca, it was not reached yet |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:40) Got 404, Rebecca |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:40) as if the snail mail/pins was a good idea to begin with ... NOT |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:41) So true Judith - I got my PIN number in New Zealand way after it was useful |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:42) and that defeats the purpose of having a domain name and bloats the registires |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:42) sheesh |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:42) new ICANN buzzwords ... "implementable ... practical ... workable" |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:42) this guy speaks in sound bites ... he's been trained, eh? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:42) yes, it seems so, Judith |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:43) You forgot "stability" Judith |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:43) Like I said. It's a sham. They are looking only at the ICANN side of the issue as usual |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:43) forget the stakeholders |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:43) there's the stabiltiy thing... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:44) and like the internet community at large is more concerned with ICANN stability |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:45) "pragmatism combined with principal" much better soundbite! |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:45) yup |
| <Tansug> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:47) Are there any journalists in the Ballroom there or a Press Desk or something? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:48) oh yeah! spend money to challenge and then not get the name |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:48) that's the plan of the revenue stream, isn't it? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:48) OK - must be bedtime for me too - its near 2am here - night all. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:48) yes, supply side all the way. gauge the public |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:49) how long is the break? It's not lunch yet is it? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:49) And thanks Rebecca :-) |
| <Tansug> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:50) Thanks to all Berkman Team :) |
| <Tansug> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:50) Bye for now |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:50) it's only a short break |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:50) resumes at 11am their time |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:50) fifteen minutes |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:50) brb |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 09:50) bbl |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:09) The DNSO General Assembly has resumed. |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:19) What, no Hebrew? Whats up with that? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:20) population |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:20) (is that a diss, or a nod to Israeli multilinqualism?) |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:20) Arabic surprises me. I am in Kuwait. Very little interest here and English is spoken by almost every professional Arab. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:21) Very little interest in ICANN I mean |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:21) Political deference, perhaps? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:21) It's not a diss. Note there is no Vietnamese, Korean, Russian |
| <shore> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:22) Maybe they chose places where they believe are encompassing but not as likely to have English fluently spoken? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:22) I would hope the choices would have been purely by population |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:22) How tiny is Russia, anyway? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:22) good point, Judith |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:22) re Russia |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:31) thats how the ALSC should have been constructed |
| <veni_markovski_sofia_bulgaria> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:35) hello, everyone |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:35) hi veni |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:35) hello |
| <veni_markovski_sofia_bulgaria> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:36) is there a brief review about what's going on today in Montevide? I am just tunning in, and listening to the DNSO... |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:37) there are scribe notes of what has happened |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:37) they are discussing the whois committee |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:37) at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/scribe-ga-090801.html |
| <veni_markovski_sofia_bulgaria> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:37) thanks. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:42) That one percent for marketing results in my email consisting of 50 percent spam |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:43) et tu? lol |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:43) Paul Kane's powerpoint presentation on Whois is now available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/whois.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:43) thanks rebecca |
| <veni_markovski_sofia_bulgaria> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:48) not quite big interest in the meeting, I guess. Only 11 people here. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:49) People are becoming rather disgusted, it seems |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:49) true veni. wonder if that will be reflected in remote participants' list compared with previous meetings |
| <veni_markovski_sofia_bulgaria> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:49) we'll see. i hope that tomorrow there will be more people there, but who knows... |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:50) those who are still here are ecstatic, of course, Leah ;-) |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:50) Well, ICANN is making it almost impossible for most of us to have a meaningful voice in their decision making. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:50) The great unwashed masses - ignored/insulted |
| <veni_markovski_sofia_bulgaria> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:51) we'll know more in a few hours - I have a colleague there in Montevideo. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:51) what do you know - you're only a registry!? ;-) |
| <veni_markovski_sofia_bulgaria> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:51) andrew, is this "registry" for me? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:52) think i got you a lead, leah, lol |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:52) sorry - "registry" was to Leah |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:53) i misunderstood |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:53) hehe, Andrew, they are not about to recognize that |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:53) but I am also an individual domain name holder, a sub domain name holder and a user |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:53) no, i checked the moon last night and there were no porcine beasts flying across its face |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:54) I wear many hats :) |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:55) indeed |
| <veni_markovski_sofia_bulgaria> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:55) i was listening real time, when roberto started talking in spanish.. no translation in english... |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:58) Joop sounds more depressed than ever |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 10:59) he sounds resigned to being excluded... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:03) Not really, IMO. He's tired, yes, but fighting to save the DNSO and get the individual dh holders recognized and on the NC |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:03) The ALSC report was predictable, but bad for all users |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:03) yes, i realized since typing that that its not strictly true |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:04) certainly he sounds disillusioned |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:04) as if he has to go through this because he believes its right, not because he has any *realistic* hope... |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:05) Alan Davidson's Global Internet Policy Initiative powerpoint presentation is now available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/gipi.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:05) As I said, it's predictable. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:05) yes |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:05) thanks rebecca |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:13) bbl |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:22) I've posted a question. Let's see if it is read |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:37) Where can I find a URL for that statement? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:37) http://www.internetstakeholders.com |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:37) right hand column |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:38) I like her. She's smart, articlulate, focused, organized and a fighter |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:38) Rather like Karl Auerbach |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:38) She's a Brit married to a Yank |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:39) Leah, I'm there, but can't find that specific statement. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:39) General Assembly Speech... in the far right column |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:39) oops wrong one |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:43) We have no written or electronic copy of Joanna Lane's remarks to the GA. Nor do we have one from any of the other candidates. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:44) I think Joanna said she is going to post her statement on her site after this meeting. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:44) She also answers questions posted to the GA list and on her website |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:45) ... impressive ... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:45) spoke to her the other day . |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:45) what's impressive? |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:46) Joanna |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:47) Yes, she really is. She's a business woman (just sold her business in England). She's now living in New York |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:47) She also has no conflicts of interest |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:49) Isn't it nice having Danny chair this forum ... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:49) yes. he's good |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:49) they're reading my question, although the scribe has not represented it correctly |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:50) It was specific |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:50) Leah, if you'd like to suggest a change to scribe's notes, please do the following: |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:51) 1) Read the FAQ at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/scribefaq regarding the purpose & characteristics of scribe's notes. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:51) 2) If you still think a change is in order, use the form at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/suggestachange |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:51) This process helps us make sure we give full consideration to each such request, and that we have all the information we need to make a decision, without any back-and-forth with the person submitting the request. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:54) oh, crap! pardon me, but the number has been stated and promised more than once and is in writing for heaven's sake. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:54) and he's the one who will be elected. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:55) The board should not dictate it. that's right. but they are. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 11:58) ha! When have they EVER listened to the community and acted accordingly? |
| <Pascal_Bernhard> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 12:04) What is the legitimation of ICANN anyway? How broad is the legitimation of DNSO (430 individuals)? |
| <Judith_Oppenheimer> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 12:11) everywhere I hear "stability of the internet", I really hear "stability of ICANN" ... Semantics101 |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 12:19) well, I'm going to take a nap |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 12:19) bbl |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 12:45) Folks, we'll be ready to start in perhaps 15 more minutes. |
| <anon330> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 13:10) hello everybody |
| <anon330> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 13:10) is anybody able to hear the sound in webcasr |
| <anon330> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 13:12) hey bot anbosu here the sound |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 13:17) The Names Council meeting has begun. |
| <squiggles> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 13:18) So the Names Council gets to elect the GA Rep to the Board? |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:05) The order of the agenda is being shifted for scheduling reasons. The meeting is discussing .org and and then UDRP review and will then return to the scheduled agenda. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:11) Elisabeth Porteneuve's earlier powerpoint presentation on voting procedures is available at http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010908.DNSO-vote-2001.ppt |
| <anon398> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:18) Sotiris here. |
| <anon398> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:18) hi all |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:20) hi all |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:20) did I hear Ken Stubbs reflect on the importance of domain name definition?? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:20) or was i dreaming? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:21) he said it, but check the context |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:21) yes, the context.. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:21) What do you think of Milton's statement re: org? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:21) I agreed completely |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:21) you? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:21) I have to give it some thought, but I *tend* to agree |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:22) Is that hedging? :) |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:22) ha |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:22) It's too important to just claim agreement |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:22) you're becoming one of them... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:22) no way! |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:22) ha |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:22) I agree with Milton's proposal. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:22) I just want to be sure what I'm agreeing to |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:23) On the surface of it, I agree wth him. Want to read the proposal. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:23) let's be clar here.. are you referring to the .org task force? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:23) yes |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:23) yes. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:23) well, I think he's made a good set of points which need to be considered, but i think what he said has merit. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:23) his priniciples regarding .org, specifically unrestricted, no evictions, sponsored, run by a non-profit |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:24) those i agree with. |
| <squiggles> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:24) There are only 3 UDRP providers, but thousands of complainants and respondents. Why only one representative from these important sectors? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:24) I'm not certain about the "sponsored" because that *could* at some point mean restriction |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:24) if it's run by a non-profit.. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:24) ? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:25) squiggles, the TF member for the respondents is John Berryhill. No one better |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:25) He's done hundreds and had only one loss |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:26) to my knowlege. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:26) If the .org registry were run by a non-profit org, would sponsosrship necessarily imply influence? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:26) anyway he's just about the best to represent that side of it |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:26) yes, Sotiris, it could |
| <squiggles> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:26) agreed, but watch him be drowned out by the heavies in the IP and business constits |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:26) and with ICANN, prolly would |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:26) I see your point Leah, but is that what he meant by sponsored? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:27) sponsored generall means restricted - not open |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:27) it should remain open... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:27) so it's rather an oxymoron and worries me |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:27) I think it ought to remain open as well. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:27) you're right. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:28) I didn't ctually focus on the sponsored bit |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:28) it dos present a contradiction |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:28) Unless it had language that was air tight about remaining open, I would seriously fight the "sponsored" |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:28) yes, I think that would be prudent. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:28) but we need to see the proposal |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:29) I'm okay with non-profit, perhaps run by something like the EFF |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:29) but would be more comfortable with a for-profit with limitations or caps |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:29) non-profit is ine, but we do need to seewhat type of management model they wish to apply. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:29) fine |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:29) The meeting is now on the scheduled agenda at item III: allocation of SRS resources |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:30) it's just that ICANN has shown that they cannot adequately choose a TLD manager. It's defiintely biased toward the big boys and major players. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:30) The meeting is again follwing the scheduled agenda at item III: allocation of SRS resources |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:30) yes, exactly. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:31) IMO .org should go to to someone that has had *nothing* to do with any of the existing registries or registrars, period. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:31) that will never appen. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:31) unfortunately. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:31) absolutely *no* involvement from exisiting players |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:31) I know :( |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:31) just like with .us |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:32) have you prepared a poposal? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:32) joe, what about you? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:33) no, Sotiris. I've been really busy with other things :) :( |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:33) BTW Judith, I really enjoyed the last issue of ICB Toll-Free |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:34) Judith you issued something ? via email? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:35) a couple days ago if I'm not mistaken. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:35) let me check |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:35) I did not receive anything :( |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:37) ICB Toll-Free last issue was issued on 09/07/01 |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:37) yesterday... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:37) I didn't get it |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:37) it's juicy |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:41) the ENUM issue is quite interesting. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:41) but what a surprise wit the WIPO II... what are they preparing us for, i wonder? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:43) I've had an email from Joanna. She has not been able to get into the chat room and sends her apologies for not being here to speak with everyone. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:46) tell her to try using Internet Explorer. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:46) I was trying to get in using the netscape browser |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:47) and I was having troubles |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:47) but with IE I had no problem |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:47) or she can use an IRC client |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:48) I have submitted a question for the public participation (if there will be any) at the end of the NC meeting ---With respect to Mr. Stubbs comment(s) on Domain Name Definition during the discussion of domain name registration as a criteria for AtLarge membership: Is there any initiative by any body within or without ICANN to set out a definition of domain names? |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:48) Peter de Blanc's presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/cctld-nc.html> and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:49) Again, the link is http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/cctld-nc.html |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:50) hi again |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:50) sorry to hark back, but did I hear Chuck Gomes correctly? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:51) did he refer to the original registrant of a "desirable" domain that expires as the "rightful owner"? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:52) I missed that. Interesting |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:52) the "desirable" context was only implicit and his semantics were unclear to me... |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:53) Ben? Are exact transcripts kept? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:54) very interesting indeed |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:55) it is also interesting that verisign have opted to discuss the "long term solution" in montevideo... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:55) listen up |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:56) Andrew, digital audio & video files are posted. (Indeed, I believe this morning's recording is already available.) |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:56) Did you catch that the cc's are forming their own "org) |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:56) Text transcripts are not produced by either ICANN or the Berkman Center. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:57) yes |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:57) they are forming a trade association |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:57) Thank you, Ben. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:57) good for them! |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:57) ditto |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:57) ifanyone can put any real pressure on ICANN it's the cctld's |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:57) I would like to see them and TLDA get together on some core issues for TLDs |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) agreed |
| <squiggles> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) I feel that the mojority of people in that meeting firmly believe that the original holder of a domain has rights to in in perpetuity, even if they don't pay their bills |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) as well as with an IRC |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) IRC? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) IC |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) IDNHC |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) whatever |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) :) |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) :-) |
| <squiggles> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:58) AND they also firmly believe that anyone else registering a pre-used name is doing it to ransom it back to the previous owner. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:59) hmm |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:59) sqiggles, every time they say things like that it is to protect IP interests |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:59) and screw individuals |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:59) yes |
| <squiggles> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:59) IP interests have too much power in ICANN |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 14:59) agreed |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:00) that's the name of the game with ICANN. If we could really get that word out and in the mainstream media, we'd get somewhere |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:00) Leah did you write back Joanna or shall i? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:00) I wrote and asked her what her problem was. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:00) ok |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:01) if she's on a mac, she's probably using netscape.. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:01) which ight be problematic |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:05) I sent her a message |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:08) I'm trying to call her. busy line |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:10) Joop just sent an interestin email to the ga regarding Peter's comments. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:10) the "voluntary support" part was interesting... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:10) she's on a mac. the one she used earlier is an older pc and it quit. then the mac booted her out of chat and real player and she has not been able to get back in |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:10) as well as the bit about staying in contact with all stakeholders. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:10) now she's on another mac and has video, but no scribe or chat |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:11) is she using netscape? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:11) she did not say, but most likely |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:11) she needs IE |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:11) on a mac? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:11) Is there no mac version? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:11) doubt it |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:11) I use netscape on a pc.. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) but had to use IE for this. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) netscape has Linux versions too |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) The system should work for both IE and Netscape. I know of no features that require IE specifically, and it's not intended that there are any such features. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) hmm |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) strange |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) how about Opera? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) MS is not about to write code for mac |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) yeah.. I guess you're right. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:12) There is an IE for Mac, if that's relevant here, though it shouldn't be. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:13) I thought there might be. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:13) we're just trying to get Joanna in here, Ben |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:13) http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/ie/ie_default.asp |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:13) she can't login to chat |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:13) same problem I had |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:13) video but no chat |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:13) until i switched to IE |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:14) The web-embedded chat system requires Java support. If her browser lacks Java support, or has such support disabled, she won't be able to get in. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:14) She could use a standalone IRC client, or get a browser with Java support. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:14) yes, that's true |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:15) I've contacted her and waiting for response |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:15) but IE is using JAVA? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:16) sory, netscape. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:17) Give me one good reason why a cctld should not market outside it's region? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:17) BTW, does anyone know what's going on with .co? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:17) nope |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:17) not me anyway |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:17) that will be interesting |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:18) how so? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:18) well, supposing some company (like peter mentioned0 approaches the Colombians to market they're cctld as a gTLD.. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:18) so? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:18) what would this mean for .com etc,.. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:18) and? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:18) UDRP |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:19) what about it? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:19) IP interests |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:19) what about it? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:19) IMO, cctlds should have any business model they choose, should adopt whatever DRP they choose |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:19) They would fall under laws in their own regions |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:19) how would themanagement of .co as a competitor to .com differ from (if at all) from existing gTLD polict? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) it would not. and that is good |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) would the UDRP be appliable? or another DRP? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) competition is good |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) I agree |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) whatever DRP they choose |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) UDRP would not be applicable - yet |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) interesting |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) FTAA |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) It should not be unless they wish to adopt it |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:20) they could voluntarily adhere to UDRP, however |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:21) sorry, Leah, duplicating your answers ;-) |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:21) I sincerely pray that FTAA does not succeed in adopting the UDRP |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:21) I guess we agree, Andrew |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:21) on this, anyway ;-) |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:21) many of the largest 'globally marketted' cctlds already use UDRP |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:21) Let registrants decide the TLD/registrar/registry they wish to use |
| <anon455> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:22) What options do those ccTLD's have if they don't use UDRP ? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:22) right Gary, and so do some of the 3rd level domain sellers - eg centralnic, if memory serves |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:22) They would develop their own or simply opt for the courts |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:23) some have their own, after .au model we may see it everywhere |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:23) shoot, so does new.net, to my abject disappointment |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:23) er, the UDRP everywhere I mean |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:23) I don't think ICANN should even be involved in dispute resolution |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:23) that's a marketing gimmick in their case - imo |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:23) i agree |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:23) I don't. It's to forestall the lawyers |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:24) that too |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:24) I want to see what that lawsuit challenging UDRP legality does |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:24) me 2 |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:24) ditto |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:24) but it does lend credibility where it may be lacking |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:24) that will be interesting |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:24) how so, Andrew? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:25) If various ICANN actions aren't opened to court/gov't oversite soon, all is lost |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:25) Most of the public (little guys) don't even understand it and they are hit with a UDRP complaint and panic |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:25) Gary, the legal challenge addresses this |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:26) our opinion may diverge at this point, Leah, due perhaps... if you recall my perceptions of Joop's mindset earlier - personally I now feel similarly about IOD, New.net and, I regret to say, Atlantic Root. jmo. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:27) Leah, that legal challenge addresses one angle of one part of ICANN. We need multiple court cases in different countries about most of ICANN :) |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:27) This is true, Gary. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:27) Andrew, what is your disagreement? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:28) i doubt that it constitutes a disagreement... |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:28) okay, divergence then :) |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:29) :-) |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:29) I have no problem with divergence of opinions. The trick is to open dialog, which ICANN refuses |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:29) i also doubt that this is the best place to have such a conversation between us on record... |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:29) agreed |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:29) yes, i agree wholeheartedly there |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:35) bravo YJ! |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:36) clarify Phillip.. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:37) not really Philip. not "very clse" |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:39) bring back WGr |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:41) only 10 users... "measurable progress" |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:42) *sarcasm* |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:43) lol |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:43) have we any way of knowing who exactly is meeting with verisign? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:44) this is burning a hole in my brain... why are they conducting these discussions about the SRS in Montevideo? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:46) i can't help thinking this is not totally divorced from verisign's investment in greatdomains.com... |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:46) sotiris - you think that's too off the wall?! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:46) it isn't |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:47) gary - speak your mind... |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:47) and register.com's ownership of afternic. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:47) indeed |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:47) they want sole control to resell these names |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:48) but they will not achieve that in a closed room with only some of the registrars, in Montevideo or anywhere else |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:48) well, amazing things come out of ICANN closed rooms |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:48) yes indeed |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:49) the structural change required is colossal |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:49) i cannot envision any possible rationale |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:49) Touton already told them 'no', which with ICANN and Verisign of course means 'let's talk' |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:49) lol |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:49) sorry Andrew, I was otherwise occupied. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:49) No, I don't think it's far-fetched. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:50) probably very likely. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:50) i'm on a domain developers board just now and that's the consensus there too |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:50) I'm not surprised. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:51) Ken Stubbs' (true) point that it's established businesses, not just the speculators, who are interested in expired names rather sets the scene... |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:51) finally! |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:52) wb |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:52) hey! |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:52) Joanna, fill us in, what's been happening with the election? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:52) I read about the questions from the cctld's |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:53) arriving so late |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:53) what other obsacles have confroted you? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:53) obstacles |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:53) is jefsey in Montevideo? |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:53) hey, well Amadeu won it! |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:54) no kidding?!?! |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:54) no, we were both remote. |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:54) yep, apparently, it was a done deal a while a go |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:54) why am I not surprised? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:55) damn, all this stuff is becming rather disconcerting to say the least. |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:55) so I thought I might as well say what I felt rather than what I thought they wanted to hear. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:56) and said very well :) |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:56) god for you |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:56) good |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:56) Is there a recording? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:56) a transcript? |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:56) thank you gary, I neede to hear that! |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:56) I missed it all. |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:57) yes, I posted it already to internetstakeholders |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:57) ok thanks |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:57) the audio/video is archived - availavle at the Berkman center site |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:57) already archived? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:57) yes, Joanna, I think so |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:57) good job Ben and Rebecca |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:57) Ben do you have a link for the Edelman archive? |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:58) Ben and Rebecca are getting faster with each meeting |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:58) Joanna, send a copy or URL for your statement to Judtith Oppenheimer |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:58) Judith already sent me an article to post there, but haven't had time yet |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:59) she wants yours |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:59) Archives of all Berkman Center ICANN-Related materials are available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann> |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:59) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:59) thanks Rebecca |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 15:59) rebecca, do you keep archives in perpetuity or are they discarded after a time? |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:00) Our archives are kept in perpetuity. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:00) good. They are important |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:00) yes, vey |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:00) very |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:01) my statement is at http://www.internetstakeholders.com I'll send it to her, no separate website, so as articles load, it will shift to the Board Directors topic. Riuns on php like ICannwatch, but I guess yiou know that already...:-) |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:01) must go. bye all. thanks ben/rebecca. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:01) bye |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:01) I think the berkman archives will be much like the internic archives - available in perpetuity as long as they don't become inconvenient |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:02) ya joe |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:07) I just read your statement jo... nice work! |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:07) well put |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:07) thanks! |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:07) how did the GA meeting go? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:09) Listen to Neuman... |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:09) ha |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:12) anyone know what time this ends today? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:12) should be soon I think joe |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:12) Scheduled to end 12 minutes ago. We're not in "any other business" |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:13) "now" not "not" -- sorry |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:13) no public questions again, i guess. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:13) They are taking public questions. Neuman asked his question from the audience microphone, at the invitation of the NC Chair. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:14) I have submitted my question some time ago. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:14) will they take remote questions or no? |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:14) what question Sotiris? |
| <baptista> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:15) anyone know what this web site is about tansug.com - it's in turkish - the chap was online with us earlier |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:15) Philip Shepard said that he would take questions similar to this morning's GA session. Danny took remote question from Leah. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:16) the question had to do with a comment by ken stubbs on DNDEF |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:16) i missed that, what was the comment? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:16) I asked if there were any bodies currently working on a definition. |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:17) I asked the IPC to get involved when I did a teleconference with them. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:17) Ken stated that he was concerned about applying a domain registrant criteria to an ALSO without a dndef. |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:18) Good, it's having an effect then...we only have a million IP lawyers... |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:18) yes, let's see. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:20) So the consensus of this gtld vs cctld competition is to take it to WTO. Wonderful. |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:21) what about remotes? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:21) questions? |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:21) ben? |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:21) lost feed again? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:21) ditto |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:21) Good night, folks. |
| <Leah_G> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:22) nite |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:22) Webcast resumes tomorrow morning with the Public Forum. |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:22) ditto |
| <Sotiris> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:22) ok all, see ya tomorrow. |
| <joannalane> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:22) Thanks Ben/ Rebecca. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Sat, September 08, 2001 at 16:22) nite all |
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