| Nickname - Message |
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| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) hi ben |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) good tunes |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) benn over a year since I got to participate... |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) thanks |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) glad it synced up with my time |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:55) you even get a telstra account... |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:55) test pattern flashed up |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:57) There are some experiences that seem to set themselves apart from others as having 'seed' quality, crystalizing the evolution of all other patterns around it... May this meeting have that quality |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:57) good pics showing |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:02) urgen, were you using windows media feed? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:02) how is sound quality? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:02) were/are, that is. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:03) I am on windows, ya |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:03) sound is good |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:03) no pulse noise like yesterday |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:03) I can pull up Real too if you want |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:04) <<-california |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:04) 1PM here |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:05) did you hear a pulse yesterday afternoon (au time)? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:05) ya |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:06) I msged you |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:06) but it did go away |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) we really thought we fixed that audio problem yesteday morning (au time) |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) that is, the problem shouldn't have affected the afternoon nc feed |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) just the morning ga webcast |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) no? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) we have also added an audio compressor to reduce the dynamic range |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) ==> more consistent volume levels |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) which should be an improvement. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) hmm, well, ok. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) in the future, email will get my attention better than msg |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) pops up on my "main" comm computer, makes a ding noise. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) msg doesn't do that. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) tks |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:09) secondary Real is up |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:09) primary real said no file |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:09) I'll try again |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:09) website still says archives avail. when will it go to meeting in progress |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:10) pnm://203.31.198.201/live/icann-031201.rm not available |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:11) hehe |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:11) re |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:12) woof |
| <anon233> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:13) ok, i'm anon233 for the 5th time - on java - any idea how to identify myself properly? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) Ben, I'm getting requested file not found in real - primary feed |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) me too Leah |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) anon233 try: /nick newnickname |
| <Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) ok. got it |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) oh |
| <Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) thanks |
| <Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) no signup except advance for these meetings? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) should be |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) :-) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) they are scrambling I think |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) just went up |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:16) front doors are open now |
| <Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:16) seems to rather defeat the purpose of keeping remote participant records |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:17) hmn.. I'm going to toss vid over to my TV |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:17) might have to reboot |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:20) Afternoon. Ben, why am I getting that the Primary RealMedia 56k link doesn't work? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) Judith, I'm not sure how you joined the webcast this morning. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) But the webcast isn't open as yet. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) You'll notice that we haven't linked it in from |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) as yet. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) That's because we're still doing final tunining on the primary digitizer. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) Anyone in this forum at this time |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) has failed to sign in properly. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) will not be included in the archive of remote participants for today |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) and most likely has a nonstandard name for identification in this discussion. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) and then log in via that form. |
| <Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) thanks for clarifying that Ben... did wonder.... |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) Your compliance with the intended system will provide benefits both to you and to us! |
| <Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:24) bbl |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:24) Ben, I logged in via the link you emailed, but will long in again, no problem. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:25) K, Ben, I've logged in via the web form, but still cannot get the primary feed |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:26) k, in now |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:26) kewl it works |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:27) My God, who chose that music? Checking through my emails, I see I missed a lot last night. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:27) I have multi-desktop and each desktop can display on both my TV and the monitor at the same time |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:27) oh comeon.. super tunes! :-) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:28) did I miss ben asking ppl to relog in? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) hi Dassa |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) If you didn't log in at all, but rather bypassed the login page at /icann/melbourne/realtime , then you "should" relogin. |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) Hello |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) You can see whether or not you logged in via |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) I did yesterday... |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/viewremoteparticipants.asp |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) you need to log in again each day, please. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) ok |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) ok |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) I willz |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) :-) |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) In short, don't bookmark the broadcast page, or we won't have a record of you joining the meeting each day. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) To recap: If you're listed on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/viewremoteparticipants.asp , you're in good shape. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) If not, please go to http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime and sign in. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:36) ok, |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) I sure wish I could do what you do benz... this is so exciting to find a way to fit tech into how people think |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) Ben, the entirety of yesterday's session is audio/video archived, right? |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) mmm...can't seem to use the java client to get in here and the scribe window at the same time |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) yep I saw the archive |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) Dass, its better to use IRC |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:38) Ben... when can we submit comments? Do we have to wait till the meeting starts? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:38) I'm' on mIRC and it rocks! |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:38) and then just the stream by itself |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:38) ok, ben,,, change the official topic line here please......... |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:39) What is the server address? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) bcis.law.harvard.edu |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) bcis.law.harvard.edu, port 6667, group #ICANN-chat) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) minus the ")" of course... :) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) and you can get the scribe on #Scribe |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) greetings all |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:41) re Andrew |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:41) hi |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:41) howdy |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:41) not sure whether it's me at 12.42am or realplayer flakey, but i sense this is not going to be easy at this particular "client end" ;-) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:43) Does anyone know if Milton Meuller is in attendance today? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) I don't know where the live attendance record is |
| <tecks> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) test |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) remote one is: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/viewremoteparticipants.asp |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) how about physical attendance? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) go Vint!! |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/physpart.html |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:45) only preregs |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:45) not day-by-day |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:45) don't see milton |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:46) Karl is the man !!!! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:47) he admits it freely! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) Louis Touton... "director of evil affairs" |
| <tecks> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) Sims is now staff? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) moot point |
| <MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) is the video gonna get it together? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) they have always been... they aren't board members though |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) ben - very poor audio |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) restart your stream Gene |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) poor in media player or real? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) real |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) others having audio problems? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) no |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) I have some echo |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) in media player |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) Mine is fine |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) muffled - echo |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) fine |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) which feed specifically? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) i'll try restart |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) 56k real |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:50) I associate echo with mouth distance to microphone |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:50) too far away picks up echo |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:50) feed restart worked - thanks ben |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:50) At Large, new registry contracts, non-icann tlds "all delayed to next meeting" - that's todays meeting? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:51) ICANN plan B: save everything to the "next meeting" |
| <Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:52) 47 x 0K certainly helps |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:52) Seriously... if they have another 50 gTLD applictions they would have another 2 million! |
| <MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:52) and how did icann raise that money? |
| <MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:53) much of it from new TLD applicants |
| <MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:53) that got very poor consideration |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:53) audio just improved 100% |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:53) he's talking about the CC tlds |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:55) BEN: Why do the real-time comments not show up? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:56) Kendall, I see many comments listed at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:56) What's the problem? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:56) Specifically? |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) Ben: The link goes to your URL + "&classification=CEO+Report", so nothing shows. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) Sorry... I was seeing a blank page from earlier. I restarted by browser and I can see them now. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) There are two links: |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) One says "current" |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) Please disregard my duplicate submissions |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) and one says "substantive" (implicitly "complete == everything from today") |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) The "current" link shows only comments with a classification equal to the current meeting classification. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) Keep in mind that you need to refresh your broadcast page |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) Fine, thanks! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) or use the link in "How to Update" section. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:59) The system works, folks, to the best of my knowledge! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:02) Does anyone know if Murai is referring indirectly to non-ICANN root servers? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:03) :-) just to the standard itself? |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:03) Jun Murai's root server presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/murai-rssac.html>. It is also linked off of the agenda of this meeting. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:06) hello again everybody :-) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:06) hi |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hi ML. |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hello Marcia |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) hi |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hi Marcia |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) hi to all |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hello Marc |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Yes Hans.. what about IOD? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hi Marc |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:09) What about the fact that ICANN included false information in the initial consideration? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:10) If rational is the operative word ... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:10) I don't think the process was fair at all! It was completely arbitrary |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:10) what about "I don't like the sound of .iii" ? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:11) this is nonsense; cannot reconsider in event of board "arguably" not giving facts appropriate weight... that's a catch all disclaimer |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:12) gak, my vid just froze |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:12) Same here |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:12) Well it certainly appears abitrary.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:13) put that in your basket! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:13) "team of experts" = Hans, Louis, Joe Sims |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:14) surprise surprise |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:14) You getting anything yet urgen? Mine is still out |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:14) If you are having trouble with the video, please try exiting it and opening it again. If you continue to have difficulty with a particular video feed, please let us know which one and use one of the backup feeds instead. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) Real Player is working: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/scripts/rammaker.asp?s=ip&ip=203.31.198.201&dir=live&file=icann-031201 |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) Rebecca, I have dropped to audio.. as it seems to want to rebuffer continually and never recovers from that |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) I just lost audio. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) I've tried a restart on media player twice |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) Using media player backup, now okay again. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) I have a question... why doesn't Hans step down down like he should have in November? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:16) I understand that some of you are having video problems. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:16) well, you heard Vint refer to the "permanence" of Stuart Lynn's tenure at the start! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:17) mine is working RealVideo Feed: Primary (56k+) |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:17) As Becca said, it's best to be specific in your problem reports -- say which feed ("RealAudio Primary" is a good kind of a description to give -- no need for the full URL) |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:17) as well as a specification of the problem ("perpetual buffering" or "video freeze while audio continues" or "disconnected entirely") |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:17) But in general most problems are likely to be individual-specific -- reflecting routing problems, client OS problems, etc. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) Obviously it's hard to know that at times -- hard to tell whether the problem is just you, or everyone,. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) And of course we want to know immediately if it's a problem that affects everyone. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) I stopped/started it, its working now. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) It is again very good for me (Netherlands): Primary feed. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) Yes, Judith, that is an excellent technique. Probably the best way to proceed, in general, to press Stop, then Start. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) hahahaha |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:19) sorry, the "open & transparent" stuck me as particularly funny |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:19) ICANN repeats this again and again.. but I have yet to see them take public opinion seriously |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:20) there is no mechanism for it |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:20) what urgen? how about MAL, public forums, and elected representatives? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:21) those just seem to float right through.. right? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:21) where does it get sticky? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:21) When the full ICANN board is elected (like they were supposed to be from the start) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:24) Karl is my hero. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:24) "staff support" - euphemism of the day |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:25) Cerf's lost it. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:25) :-)) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:25) hey Tom |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:26) hola. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:26) "under financed" ? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:26) They want to get support for pressure on ccTLD's. I think they're barking up the wrong tree. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:26) Couple million short of having a house and a boat in the Bahamas |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:27) Sims is underfinanced, come on! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:27) he doesn't own enough VeriSign stock yet... |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:27) :) |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:28) Karl's question was about underuse of SOs, answers about more staff... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:28) The CC tlds again... trying to get money and bring everyon into the fold. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:29) Paul Twomey's report of the GAC Communique is posted at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/twomey-GAC.html>. It is also linked off of the agenda for this meeting. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:29) this is type of nonsense that leaves no time for "public comments" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:30) that's what they want |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:30) they all yuck it up and make jokes...and at the end.. "oops no time for public comments" |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:30) public forum starts at 2:45 their time |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:30) hlo Gene |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:31) ...got bumped |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:32) welcome NicR |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:32) hello |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:34) How do you folks read the GAC doc: Is it "okay, governments would have liked to have a larger (3-party role), but interim 2-party is okay"? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:34) is there anyone on the irc channel who is AT the meeting? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:35) haven't heard of any yet |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:35) ben/rebecca - do you remember Tom Cappelli from Diebold, and have you seen him there yet? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:36) (ya other than volunteer staff, I meant) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:36) hlo MC |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:37) what about fair use? I would like the domain "icann.sucks" |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:38) wo vint... |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:39) kinda like new.net''s rerouting |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:39) that's what he's hinting |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:39) what happened to the scribe's comments for Auerbach? |
| <MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) they got cut off |
| <MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) figures |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) Someone needs to make sure that this comment gets entered into the official record |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) welcome CPruitt |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) ha ha someone had to reboot windows.... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) BEN: Who can we write to to request correction in the official scribe's notes? |
| <CedarPruitt> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) Thanks. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:41) ben said he hears emails better than messages or publics |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:42) Yea Karl! |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:42) they pop up on his screen then |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) Nice Statement and how true |
| <Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) I'm get a lot of "rebuffering" in real. Is it my connection? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) kendall, corrections to scribe's notes should be made according to the procedure at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/scribefaq |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) i am too bret |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) The real server is only serving up 6/7kb persecond |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:44) Way worse than yesterday Ben |
| <Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:45) I've had Jonathan Cohen frozen on my screen for about four minutes. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:46) secondary mediaplayer is doing ok |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:47) david, which realserver is that |
| <RickReynolds> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:47) 34kps just north of Kansas City Mo. USA |
| <RickReynolds> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:47) Real |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:47) Good Statement for, Abril |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:48) I will have to reconnect.. I am running Real Player 8, just moving 8+ to my current location |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:49) hi ray |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:50) hello Gene, everyone |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:50) hi Ray |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:53) welcome depento |
| <DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:53) (for Kendal) anything about dot web or new.net yet? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:54) Hans recommended to the board that IOD be reconsidered |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:54) NOT BE |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:54) sorry |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:54) your kidding |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:55) "community" = WIPO. Outside that neighborhood, you're on the wrong side of the tracks. |
| <DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:55) what was the answer |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:56) I didn't see IOD reconsidered yet |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:56) Hans: " Asks ICANN to remove from its web site its evaluation of the IO Design application. Recommend taking no action evaluations were made public as part of ICANNs policy of openness and transparency. Contrary to ICANN process to delete staff evaluation from web site." |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:56) Nope community on this are those with Trademarks or whom can clearly argue common-law (Famous names) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:57) They were shut down within the first 30 minutes. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:57) OK. WIPO, and the rich & famous. |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:57) Your saying Hnas wants to wipe away the record of the Staff report for all reports or just IOD's? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) But -- Fockler: "This is public forum. Tomorrow we will further discuss the reconsideration process." |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) NicR: other way round |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) NicR: ICANN will not wipe away any records (that was the request) |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) I don't follow please explain Thanks |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) oh I see thanks |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) But Hans wanted to? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) yes |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) He is a boardsquatter, the nerve |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) No, Hans recommends not to wipe the records. Request: http://www.icann.org/committees/reconsideration/floum-request-13nov00.txt |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) Recommended response: http://www.icann.org/committees/reconsideration/rc00-7.htm |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:00) I can't see how the reconsideratiuon committee could ever be a fair process when it is well known thatHans is biased against IOD |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:00) yes.. he even made a "boardsquatter" joke and everyone laughed! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:00) hi pilot6 |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:00) What was the name of Karl's cat? :) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:01) RyeKrisp |
| <DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:01) Hello Kendall. |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:01) Your Kidding That is terrible, it really isn't funny , such contempt |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:01) Thx, urgen |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:02) It is 99.9% likely that Hans will turn down IOD |
| <NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:02) They need an outsite review otherwise it makes no sense to have the same people who turned you down review everything is silly |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) brb |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) Folks, I regret that improving realserver connectivity for everyone requires me to temporarily disconnect the primary feed. |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) OK. Tell us when it is back up please. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) If you're connected to that feed, as some 32 of you are at the moment, you'll be disconnected momentarily, then will be able to reconnect by pressing Play. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) Of course, Keith. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:05) Done. |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:05) Thanks |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:06) Now you'll be getting 20kbps, not 34kbps, but we can support more of you, with better reliability, on the available bandwidth. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:06) 20kbps is "enough" for talking heads, in our experience. |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:06) Sure, even though your choice of music suffers a bit... ;) |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:06) It;s amazingly good from California at 20k |
| <Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:07) Where did this music come from? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:07) :-)) yer not suppose to ask |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:08) (Now's the time to push the "Visualizations" button) |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:08) (if you're on RealPlayer, that is) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:09) ha ha ha,, you asked for it |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:13) Different to yesterday at any rate :) |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:13) Variety is the spice of life as they say |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:14) I've never heard latinamerican opera before... |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:14) regional diversity concerns? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:18) re |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:18) i'm back... hi tom |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:20) wow... you gotta love this music ;) |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:20) mmm...here is a suggestion, maybe during these breaks they could have a roving reporter going around and listening in on some of the conversations so they can broadcast over the feed :) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:20) yes |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:20) and at least introduce us |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:21) how about THE roving_reporter (Ted Byfeld from www.tbtf.com/roving_reporter) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:21) :-)) hehehe |
| <Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:22) Why are they having more than the 15 minutes too. Getting ahead of schedule doesn't mean you take longer breaks :( Means you try to fit in more other business. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:22) should mean that we hear more public comments! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:23) Yesterday the NC meeting was incredible. At the end: "my apologies we don't have time for public comments" oops! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:23) drag Hans away from the bar... |
| <RobertConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:26) Dear Ben: I don't see a thing or hear a thing, though I'm signed on just the way I was yesterday. Regards, BobC |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:26) Thanks for nothing Loius Touton |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:26) yeah!!! |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:27) Big round of thanks to the webcasters! |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:27) it should be up Robert |
| <RobertConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:28) Now I can see some scribe's notes, for the first time, BobC |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:29) how much did it cost? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:30) more jokes from the board = less public comment time |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:31) and the heart of our bottoms |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:32) longer speech = less public comments |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) "the arguments from limited knowledge" - his view of public comments? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) I can now hear on my older machine using Netscape and Real Video. This machine is using IE and Windows Media. Back again soon. BobC |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) ML, that's typically been his position. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) maybe they are suing them for a reason! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) yes |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:35) and decsions are made by staff too |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:36) does anyone really care about his speech? I'd rather have longer public comment time! This is nothing but ICANN stroking themselves |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:36) HUMITLITY???? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) Post his speech on the website... we'll read it later |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) and I want to thank RyeKrisp. without which we would have had no cat to question the validity of rightful naming |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) I'd like to thank god and my producer and the academy |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) see ya |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) and online too vint.. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:38) I hope Chris Ambler gets a chance to ask questions! |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:38) :-) |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:38) go chris |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:38) what about online questions! i have 2 waiting to be asked! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:39) BEN: is the board going to take online questions? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:41) yes, kendall. have made vint aware that comments areready. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:43) who is this guy? Does anyone know? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:43) www.ncdnhc.org |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:43) Andrew Shen is from EPIC |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:44) Does Cerf ask other committees for a vote count? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:45) any reason to turn down an individual's constituency is a good one |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:46) how does public safety involve privacy issues for domain names? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:47) he's talking about the IP rights vs individuals |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:47) chris! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:47) it justifies VeriSign's decsion to sell whois data |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:47) <<-- in SLO |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:48) Chris - are you going to ask the board any questions (ie: Han's statements on Reconsideration?) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:48) I'm open to suggestion on what question I might ask (for which I don't already have an answer) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) Verisign/NSI is asking for a combined registry/Registrar Agreement. In this respect, what is the difference between the Verisign/NSI Agreement and the Image Online Design application which was rejected in November 2000? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) I already have an answer to that... |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) 1. How do you put a giraffe into a refrigerator? |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) ... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) anon: very carefully. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) hello chris :-) |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:50) The correct answer is: Open the refrigerator, put in the giraffe and close the door. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:50) Man when will people realise DNS IS NOT A Business DIRECTORY! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:50) The answer is that the Verisign agreement continues to postulate a separation between registry and registrar, and besides, the board would then say (if anything) that it wasn't really an issue in our application, etc. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:50) Yet Louis certainly had a problem with it.. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:51) awwww ICANN is overloaded |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:51) But the response will be that it wasn't important, and had no bearing in the final decision. You may feel free to apply that answer to any singular point that you care to bring up. Get my drift? |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:51) 2. How do you put an elephant into a refrigerator? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:51) anon: tell him to chase the giraffe. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:52) Doesn't the White Paper "Statement of Policy" prevent a combined registry/registrar? |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:52) Wrong Answer: Open the refrigerator, put in the elephant and close the refrigerator. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:53) Kendall, actually, no, surprisingly. The green paper postulated it as a likely necessity, but the white paper noted that there was a lack of clear consensus, and so left the topic open. After yesterday's meeting, I re-read both the green and white papers for just that reason. |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:53) Correct Answer: Open the refrigerator, take out the giraffe, put in the elephant and close the door. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:54) Today, on my way to the convention centre, I purchased an "Aero" chocolate bar. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:54) was it good? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:54) anon269.. Your forget you need an ICANN policy, and have it approved by staff first :-)) |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:54) what is that chris? |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:55) 3. The Lion King is hosting an animal conference. All the animals attend except one. Which animal does not attend? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:55) what does this have to do with anything anon269? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:55) It's a chocolate bar with bubbles in it (whipped chocolate). "Aero" is also, however, one of the new TLDs, no? "Aero" is a registered trademark of the Nestle corporation. QED. |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:55) Comment/QUESTION: Arguably DNS was never an identity system, but a naming system. The very existence of global gTLD's implies that. Had there been only ccTLD's, including a US one, identities and names could work together, within national borders. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:56) yes, understood |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:56) Correct Answer: The Elephant. The Elephant is in the refrigerator. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:56) VeriSign actually runs the .us CCTLD now |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:56) Keith, what about International corporations, organizations or treaty orgs? |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:57) 4. There is a river you must cross. But it is inhabited by crocodiles. How do you manage it? |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:57) You have a .int just for them. The key is to subsume identity within a tld, and not have super-TLD's |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:57) bot? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) good idea in theory Keith... but the others already exist and you can't retroactively change the rules |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) Keith, it would have been a good idea, 10 years ago. Unfortunately, it's much too late to put the genie back in the bottle. |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) Agrred (hence RealNames :-) ) |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) Correct Answer: You swim across. All the Crocodiles are attending the Animal Meeting. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) Scribe notes have frozen ...? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) (never mind) |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) According to Andersen Consulting Worldwide, around 90% of the professionals they tested got all questions wrong. |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) Nice plug, there, Keith :-) |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) scribe's notes have not frozen. just a long comment there. |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) Unintentional |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) That is the problem with the NSI / Verisign agreement Keith... you can't retroactively change the .org registry! |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:00) I'm late. Anything interesting going on at the conference? |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:00) But many preschoolers get all answers correct. |
| <anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:01) Conclusion, give all the new TLDs to preschoolers, they will make them work before ICANN does. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:01) thanks for taking remote comments there Vint. I'm glad you recognize our existance. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) Kendall, the remote comments are being held until the comment periods on the topics relevant to the comments. There is a remote comment period that will include comments on the Versign agreements later in the day. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) thank you Rebecca |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) Hi Greg. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) Hey tom... |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) The Names Council business plan that Phillip Sheppard is currently presenting is linked off the agenda of this meeing. |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) I was suprised by the VRSN/ICANN agreement but I kinda agree that with TUCOWS and Register.com going so well there really is competition now. Actually I always thought it was problematical trying to introduce competition whilst building a naming system. Success in goal A probably is inconsistent with excelling at goal B. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) I just get frustrated because the board doesn't often recognize those of us in "cyberspace". |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) hi all |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) hi Sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) have i missed much? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) I get frustrated because the board does recognize decency, consistency and fairness. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) any fights? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) But that's just me being silly again. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) not really... Karl had some good comments |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) One thing that has changed thought is Karl.... |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) Karl is a gem. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) He mentioned his cat RyeKrisp |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) Karl is an atlarge director... one of the little people |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) wb sotiris :-) |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) My opinion is split on Vint, though I think at the end of the day, I respect him. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) ha! did the cat make the scribe list? |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) Interesting...there wasn't more public comments??? That is unusual... |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) Sotiris: Unfortunately not |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) did they take any questions from remote participants? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) he challenged the GAC guy and the IP people on intellectual property rights and fair use |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) good for karl! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) There were no remote comments related to the discussion that had occurred up to that point. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) no... no remote comments yet |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) Chris, are you in the conference room? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) Had there been such comments, we would have read them. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) I sent one in about the Reconsideration Request (Image Online Design) |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) Ben, your organization covers more than ICANN conferences, correct? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) Greg, did they post your request? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) I dont recall seeing it. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) Go Karl! |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) appears they did not.. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) go karl ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) yes Karl!!!1 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) yes!!!! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) I don't believe it either. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) Tom, we do do some webcasts of other events, primarily those organized by the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School. |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) Greg: It's on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) And a few other events on the side. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) good.. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) GO KARL GO |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) lol |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) Karl A. for ICANN chair! |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) Sorry, had to divert my attention for a moment. Yes, I'm here in Melbourne. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) the timing!!??? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) The recommendations represent capture, not the discussions that actually took place |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) exactly gene |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) Vint tells Karl that he has to wait until the public comment period! Karl is a BOARD member! |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) that was sad |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) of course... Vint is one of the appointed lot/ |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) I'd like to hear Vint tell Louis Touton to wait until the public comments period |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) vint is not on the side of fairness. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) He actually told Karl that?! I stepped away and missed that. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) let's not kid ourselves |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) I missed that - in reference to what did Vint say that to Karl? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) he suggested it Tom |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) Talk about blatant dismissal. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) Vint was referring to the NC's other method of receiving public comments, i.e. through the web, I think. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) Not the public comment period at the mic later today. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) in reference to the divergence between the RTF report and the actual discussions in the wg review |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) karl made the point and vint told him to wait |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) Deferred to the topic of public comment period? Is such a topic on the agenda? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) till public comment |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) What a shame. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) Vint disappoints me sometimes. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) open mic period i believe he was referring to |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) Amadeo really put on the pounds!!! good living, I guess. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) Not always |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) are the formerly recused directors going to recuse themselves again during contract issues? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) a lot less hair too |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) Is the general feeling that the second round will occur at the end of 2001? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) It reminds me of the NC cutting off YJ Park yesterday. Everytime she tried to tell the truth they cut her off mid-sentence. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) yes, exactly |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) leah, very good question. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) Leah, ask that question in the public comments. At least get it on record. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) there's an agenda... but it's not public knowledge |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:15) Tom: Vint hints at six months of proof of concept and then they will look again |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:15) Dear lord, what is the actual MAIN topic at this conference? I have been paying half attention, but I get a general sense that it is all vague discussion about vague topics. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:15) I would rather post a different question. Perhaps someone else could post that one? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) Vint said 6 months at least, probably longer. But it's at least 6 months until some are up - probably longer for them all... My guess is 18 months, minimum. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) Ray, well, I thought that the new TLDs would be live in the spring or summer. At this rate, we are looking at late 2001 / early 2002. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) But, he suggested that this six months would start *after* the contracts were all signed |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) It's a shame that ICANN can't keep to a schedule. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) Namely, their own. |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) I would defer to Chris' judgement.... |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:17) 18 months before the initiation of the next application, chris? Hmm..longer than I expected. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:17) next year, mid-summer, if at all |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) How much $ you think they'll charge for the second round of TLDs? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) After the initiation of the second application period, the application consideration process, and ultimate implementation can make this thing go on quite long. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) in fact, i'm not sure they're not setting ICANN up for a fall. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) $50,000 |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) ... damned shame ... |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) Chris, this means another 50k for IOD, eh? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) damn, that was pretty unfair |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) perhaps not as long as it's still under reconsideration tom |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) Wilfred Wolber's presentation on the status of the ASO is available online at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/aso-update-010312.html>. It is also linked off of the agenda for this meeting. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) Marcia, I am not hopeful where ICANN is concerned. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) why stop when you have a good thing going? the budget report stated that ICANN had 2 mil in surplus |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) Now that ICANN has indicated by its actions that collisions with existing TLDs in the name space are acceptable, what do you plan to do regarding the collisions that you are about to create and what do you suggest for regarding those who have acted on that lead and others who will surely follow? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) Leah, I am willing to believe that ICANN doesnt deem it acceptable. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) That's the question I want to post |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) post it |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) But they dont want to seem as though they can be intimidated or held hostage. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) please |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) They have paved the way though |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) To ICANN these are considered "rTLDs" - renegade Top Level Domains |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) the DNS is the DNS. Either you do or you don't |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) somebody on the board needs to answer that question leah |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) they are in the DNS regardless |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) they will have no problem admitting .travel. imo when they feel it is time to do so |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) You cannot ignore facts. FACT: there is one DNS |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) Jon Zittrain wrote an interesting report he presented to Congress in 98... look for Son of ICANN once they manage to kill ICANN by the end of this year... These people are patys. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) I agree Leah... and by not addressing this issue ICANN is breaking their mandate to maintain stability |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) .aero is a foolish TLD, when they could have approved .travel. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) FACT: You can have only one of a kind in each layer of hte DNS |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) patsys |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) Personally, I also like .museum. I think there is a place for not only that TLD, but that category of TLD. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) just like oswald |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) There are approx 500 TLDs. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) .museum is a joke |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) it will fail |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) But .aero and .coop....my goodness. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) Some are silly, some good, some will never go anywhere... |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) sortis, it is highly specialized. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) the market will decide... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) yes, and it will fail |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) You are thinking as a developer and domain registrant. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) stability code word for capture. open & transparent code for who asked you get lost. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) However, it should not matter. The market will decide which is good for them |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) the market needs to decide whether we keep them or get rid of them |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) precisely, leah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) how many museums are there in the world? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) 100,000? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) 200? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) doesn't matter Sotiris. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) how many? |
| <anon280> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) WAX.MUSEUM ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) focus! |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) If I represented a museum, I would want my field to have a TLD. It is very unique. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) not that easy |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) What matters is if there were the 500 TLDs available to all, then the ample choice would suffice |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Then again, I am in academia and the arts, so I see it differently than those who are not. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) why can't they have a domain? it's no worse that .sucks |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Tom, it is that easy |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Leah, it matters if they are for profit and plan to charge $4.50 each. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) why, ray? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Leah, I wish ARNI had applied to the main root with their .biz. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Let's say that each TLD is run by different persons... |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) for profits are generally designed to produce a profit |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) so? They make a profit. Is that bad? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) provide a service - make a profit |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) 200 x $4.50 is going to get it done |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) free market |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) The question is....Can NSI legally be a part of another conglomeration like Afilias, and get ANOTHER piece of the pie in the next rollout? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) ICANN should include all TLDs as other roots do |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) Given all of this it seems to me that what Bill Gross is doing with new.net is great. As many TLD's as anybody wants but not as an alternative root, rather as a navigation or aliasing layer on top of DNS. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) In the next application period, that is. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) Keith, it IS an alternative root |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) they have a rootzone and TLD servers |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) new.net is the death knell of ICANN |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) If enough people support it... the A-Root will not be as important |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) @home resolves the domains |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) My only problem with Gross is his colliders. Too bad he didn't come out clean. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) they simply decided to load 20 tlds, 18 of which are colliders with existing TLDS |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) Leah, what is ARNI Dot BizTLD going to do with regard to the new .biz? |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) I thought it was actuall new.net with some clever software, so www.site.xxx is actually www.site.xxx.new.net (not an alternative root). |
| <JaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) Dear Colleagues: I'm hearing now using Jane's PC. I don't have video yet or scribbe notes, but there's a window for them. This machine has only a 133 MHz Inel. Regards, Bob Connelly (notwithstanding it is attributed to Jane:-) |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) Tom - continue |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) Keith, no. It's a rootzone |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) What is the technical fallout if an ISP can pull up both... |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) which will it pull up |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) Tom, an ISP would have to have two sets of servers. Can't do both on one |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) the new.net ... I know someone who did this |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) wb Chris. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) Tom - it will pull up whichever one it points to |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) i see. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) there is still no email resolution for new.net tlds, though |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) Leah: did they tell you that. I was told different? |
| <JaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) Ahaa, I can now see some scribe notes:-) BobC |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) I know someone who had name.space DNS settings and the new.net plugin. in the choice between 2 colliders it went to new.net |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) yes, |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) It also appears to depend on who your ISP is. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) sotiris, both sender and recipient would have to have capability of resolving the same root |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) was it a broadband connection? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) Leah, did ARNI's .biz and IOD's .web open doors at the same time? |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) Which ones are the colliders? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) Kendall, because the plug in uses a browser skin, I think |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) Leah, i understand this, and i have a feeling that this will be resolved in the next 6 months |
| <JaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) FWIW, it's snowing in Tokyo, BobC |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) particularly since they have already established resolution through @home (16 million subscribers) |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) Tom, No, but it's a bit more complex than that. ARNI took management of .BIZ last year, but it was first created in 1995 by another entity. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) they were .shop names I think Keith... I'd have to check my mail |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) I see. |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) RealNames could offer resolution through the browser - 120m users. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) realnames is search engine based... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) they buy search returns |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) do you work for RealNames keith? |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) No, it's embedded in the IE browser natively. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) of course, they won't admit it |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) browser skin can be developed by anyone. People have to load it |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) I'm the CEO. Working from home and thinking out of the box :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) No, it was announced, at least previously - ICB reported on it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) so? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) as if you'll tell us publicly. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) realnames will not take off. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) it's already starting to fade |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) RealNames should sign up with Bill Gross from New.Net |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) that won't help them |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) plus realnames refuses what i consider valid requests |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) Don't want to get into a debate Sotiris but it has already taken off. More than 500k customers and 120m resolutions a month. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) search engine payoffs |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) Does RealNames still charge extra if you get many hits? |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) On my honor, not true. more that 75% resolutions from Microsoft. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) realnames also sold generic search terms, and claims they don't do that. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) oops. |
| <anon280> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) Has ICANN talked about the new .COM servers for IPv6 and what people will be charged for service in those ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) sorry keith, i know better |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) I guess you don't likee us Sotiris. No problem :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) if you were a public company, i would have sued you |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) long ago |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) Marc: A Keyword is $50 a year for 50,000 resolutions. Only 2% of customers get more than that. |
| <Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) I'm experiencing many audio drops. Anyone else? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) no. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) Yep |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) I am only listening to the audio. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Still, if it really works, you pay extra |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) no |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) no |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Not bothering with the video. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) try real audio...better...then windows media.. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) yep. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) wtf? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Greg, still fighting the good fight? |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Marc: That's true, but in a way isn't that fairer. The big guys subsidise the little guys. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Oh, yeah |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) ; ) |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Good. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) realnames is an elaborate search engine sell-out scam... false returns on searches... paid results. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) Sen Daschle...has gotten an ear full from me in recent weeks.. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) But the Real small guys cannot really afford Real Names |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) One needs more than one Real Name, right? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) good....is he genuinely listening? |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) Pindar Wong's presentation on the At Large Study Committee Budget is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/wong-atlargebudget.html>. It is also linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) Or just being polite? |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) MArc: really, explain. $50 doesn't seem exhorbitant. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) We shall see.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) realnames will drop away |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) watch |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) Rebecca, that URL is broken. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) Anyone knows how long the @ large study will take? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) What happened to the scribe notes? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) it's supposed to take 1 year |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) actually it was supposed to take 2 years... |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) Does one real name work? Or does one need more? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) If I understand it correctly.. during the time that they are doing the study we have absolutely NO chance of electing the remaining 4 board members |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) Has anything postive happened this weekend, or am I getting the impression, these directors are here in Melbourne to rehash stuff... |
| <RodneyJoffe> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) Keith, if you have a sec could you drop an email to me at raj@daqus.com? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) which is illegall kendall |
| <baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) this has to be one of the more boring meetings i've ever witnessed .. how sad |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) Marc; Some have one some have more. Panasonic has 10,000 - one for each SKU. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) It's nonsense, Greg. |
| <urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) scribe? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) They should be pusing like mad to get those TLDs online, and to get the next application process moving. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) Keith: how did amazon end up with a generic realname? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) among others |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) To alleviate complaints, doubts, suspicions and above all.....continued embarrassment. |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) Branded generics are OK. It's all about user expectation. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) yeah right! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) not what your company was saying 12 months ago! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) what a crock!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) I actively work against your company. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) well i was turned down for northmyrtlebeach ... when other cities informative websites were allowed their cities names |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) know this |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) realnames is a scam |
| <KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) Sotiris, let's agree to disagree. Others might not find this interesting. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) ok guys take it offline |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) it's search engine based, and they buy results |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) ok |
| <DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) anyone know when they are going to talk to about the flawed process awarding the tlds back in the calif meeting?? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) never? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) why would they admit it? |
| <DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) i thought that was what this round was about |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) I'm interested in this @ large study... I am angry that the 4 board members dont get elected till AFTER the study is over. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) brb |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:43) there is grounds for suing ICANN on this wise kendall, i have refrained to date because i was hoping to see some improvement... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:43) That would be like the US President not being seated until after a study was done to see why the 2000 election had ballot problems |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) look carefully at California non-profit corp. laws, and the icann bylaws. |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) Has anyone else got problems with #scribe? |
| <DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) at large puts directors on the board... therefore they are FULL members |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) back |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) I have no scribe |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:45) no scribe |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:45) idem |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:45) REBECCA: what is going on with the scribe? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:46) bye all. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:46) Did anyone catch Vint's comments about internet years (1 internet yr = 7 actual years..)...If this is true, IOD has been waiting for 35 years... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:46) bye tom |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:47) yes, like the principal of having an at large at all, is not too sacred to question. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:47) they are questioning it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:47) right in our faces |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:48) August in canada? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:48) where? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:48) that's okay karl ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) exactly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) bravo karl |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) Karl is right on! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) so true |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) evening |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) hi jess |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) hi jess |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) the committee is bogus |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) much smaller |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) limited memory... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) how nice |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) Karl: "do you want to answer these as I ask them... or??" |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) LOL |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) conflicts of interest... |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) Conflicts of interest? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) oh yeah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) pindar wong... the patsy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) the middle east? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) credibility? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:52) lots of internet stuff going on in the middle east i suppose. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:52) really groundbreaking stuff...literally. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:52) "we'll listen to the developing world.. just not the developed world!" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) how do you like that? |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) who's the guy in the glasses .. just came in and ot sure who's up |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) Pindar Wong.. patsy. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) well, you have to realize that our national security and military is involved too |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) hes in charge of the @ large study? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) http://www.worldatlarge.org |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) under development.. we'd like input |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) I didn't get this email ... did any other @ large members here get this email? |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) yes, I got it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) not i |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) nope |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) not i |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) members-announce@icann.org (28 Feb-01) |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) I never received a pin #...still burns me up |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) me either ray |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) still ticks me off too |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) ray: even those of us who did, we're still burning! |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) I got it, but then it wouldn't let me vote and I got into bad fights with roberts and stubbs |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) roberts was nice ... stubbs was not |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) oh, i voted. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) I voted for Karl! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) but many of my friends did not |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) I voted :) but only after a reporter from AP picked up on it |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) within an hour mr roberts was on it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:57) where is the atlarge study meeting schedule posted? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:57) Vint is getting on Karl's case for wanting to speak the truth |
| <asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:57) www.atlargestudy.org and the presentation is at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/wong-atlargebudget_files/frame.htm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:57) yes Karl!!! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) oh lord |
| <RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) Vint is trying to avoid public controversy (keep it behind closed doors) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) there it is!!! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) Oh boy... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) Vint is a sell out |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) we must sue!!! | </