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| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:38) Good morning, folks. |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:39) Good morning, Ben, Rebecca, Marc, John! |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:39) Good evening :-) |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:39) ...or night... |
| <JohnFrangie> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:40) How are you Ben? |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:40) Very well, thanks, John. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:40) Things look good here. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:41) Plenty of server capacity for all, reasonable network connectivity, etc. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:41) The scribe notes still says "ICANN LA", LA... |
| <JohnFrangie> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:41) Great, things should move along nicely. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:43) Hi Leah, hi Joe! |
| <LeahG> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:43) Hi Marc! :) |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:44) fixed that, marc. thanks. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:44) let me know if you find any other such mistakes. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:44) No more mistakes. Running great, thanks! |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:54) why are we being subjected to the scribe - there's a scribe channe - and i see the scribe there - can the scribe stop scribing in icann-chat channel????? |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:55) ?! joe, i don't see a scribe in ICANN-chat? |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:55) are you receiving the scribe's notes in the icann-chat channel? i'm not seeing any such thing here, and that's not intended behavior. |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:55) hold on - it's probably me |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:57) that should of fixed it |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:57) so i see their trying to kill the at large. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:58) Well, the at large never had a chance so far to live |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:58) hello again everyone :-) |
| <LeahG> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:58) hi marcia |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:58) hi Leah |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:59) he wants to play United nations |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:59) translations galor |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:59) Think deeply??? |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 16:59) :)) |
| <LeahG> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:00) yeah, we're all so shallow you know |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:00) no applause today |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:00) is anyone in the room? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:01) he mentioned an address to write to if you didn't get the letter that was sent to @Large members anybody catch this? |
| <LeahG> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:01) hi judith :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:01) Hi! What did I miss so far? |
| <LeahG> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:01) at-large study |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:02) roberto looks like he's having a bad hair day. |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:04) can someone tell the scribe the agenda item http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010311.Gamelbourne-agenda.html does not work. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:04) can get that url from dnso.org if i messed it up. let me check.; |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:05) it's http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010311.GAmelbourne-agenda.html |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:05) big GA |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:08) that works |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:08) How many people are there in the room? Any ideas? |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:09) i guess the scribe is having a bad hair day too - does anyone know how many people are at this meeting? |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:11) my hair is fine, thank you. |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:11) poor elizabeth portenuve - she was hoping for a full time job from this - instead she's ended up on a sinking ship - DNSO ahoy .. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:11) but please remember to keep discussion on topic. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:11) How about the question asked to the number of people in the room? |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:12) I'd say there are 150 people here at the moment. |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:12) this is on topic - dnso budget items - which leads me to ask ben - do they yet have their swanky office up and running in paris? |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:12) Thanks! |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:13) remeber - the budget included hiring elizabeth for the job of full time computer person/admin - but that never happened - did it? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:14) What ever happened in the NC Telcon with the establishment of an Indiviual Constituency? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:14) I seem to remember that Ken Stubbs mentioned it.. but they ran out of time. |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:15) they don't want an individual constituency - the dnso is tightly controlled. fox guarding the hen house sort of thing - all show - no substance. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:17) hi judith - good to see you again :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:17) Hi ML. :-) |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:17) :-) |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:17) hi john :-) |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:17) hi ben :-) |
| <JohnFrangie> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:19) Hi Marcia |
| <LeahG> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:19) brb |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:21) agree with you above babtista |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:24) Hi Dena! |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:25) Hi Marc |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:25) hi quasar :-) |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:26) Hi Marcia, juggling windows here today. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:26) me too |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:28) Why is there no IP report? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:29) hmm |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:29) Marc: Seems no one was there from IPC |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:29) And why not? :-) |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:31) Is the video operating yet? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:31) yes roger |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:31) I am not receiv ing it...hmm... |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:33) okay, coming in now. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:41) Pindar Wong's presentation on the At Large Study Committee is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/wong-atlarge-ga.html>. It is also linked off of the agenda for the DNSO General Assembly meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:41) hello all |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:41) hello sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:42) have I missed much? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:42) no, imho |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:43) is anyone in this discussion list actually present at the meeting? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:43) not i sotiris |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:45) Rebecca and I are, of course. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:45) ;-) |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:45) Peter de Blanc is on the #scribe channel, he's in Melbourne, too |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:46) Benjamin, may we submit questions through this list? or must we use the submission form? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:47) does anyone else's video/audio feed keep freezing? |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:47) Marcia: not here |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:48) Leah, has your group initiated any legal action against ICANN? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:48) ty - 'tis happening here |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:48) Marcia - my video freezes.. but not audio. it is my bandwith limitation. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:48) Marcia: i'm getting a pretty good feed on a 56k laptop connection... |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:48) i'm on a cable connection - shouldn't be any prob |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:48) You must use the submission form. Our staff can't review every message here, and the database system of the submission form helps us make sure we don't miss anyone. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:48) I am doing ok on 33.6, feerzes occansonlly but that is a bandwidth thing |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:49) Please see the introductory message to this section, which specifically says you must give your "official comments" in the submission form. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:49) thanks Benjamin |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:51) Benjamin.. audio has just becomed very muffled.. |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:52) it's fine for me |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:52) MmmCow: I am on the 28kbp backup link, I presume your on the 56kb primary? |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:53) I'm on a T1 |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:54) oh, yes ...i'm on the 56k and up link |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:54) I'm on a can and string. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:54) lol |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:54) hi rodger |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:54) roger |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:54) Hi Cow |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:55) Benjamin, Definatly Real 28.8 Backup, just came better |
| <RayFassett> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:55) I can get video, but no soumd |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:55) So, the NC will choose the GA Chair? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:57) WHAT? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:57) how will they do this? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:58) my vid is gone |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:58) and sound |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:58) on a cable connection |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:59) why bother with a vote? |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:59) Sotiris: De facto the GA elects, then the NC confirms the GA Chair |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:59) see http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.DNSO-GAchair.html |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:59) she did not say "confirm" |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 17:59) No, she said "officially elect" IIRC |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:00) In other words, it's possible the NC can choose the least popular of the ranked candidates? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:01) sure it's possible -- Jonathan Cohen was elected to the Board |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:01) It sounds like they are debating how to define the true electorate, the NC just ratifies the decision of the GA |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:01) There is *one* winner according to the election rules (http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.GA-chair-election-rules-v0.1.html) so it's not like a choice for the NC |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:04) there are plenty of Individuals listed in the GA Voting Registry, yet no IDNH constituency, does this present a difficulty to the nomination of an unaffilited individual? |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:05) No, GA membership is independent of constituency membership. Roberto isn't any constituency member, is he? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:06) hello chris, good to see you again :-) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:06) Greetings from "down under." |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:06) hi chris |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:06) Hey Chris. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:06) hi Chris |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:06) Hey Christopher...thought you were there at the meeting :) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:06) I am at the meeting :-) |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:07) Greetings, Chris. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:07) So, "royal fiat" will be the process of chaoice from among the GA candidates...? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:08) Sotiris: Sounds like unless the NC has a serious justifiable problem with the GA elected person they simply ratify.. same as it is here with the Govt in Aus/Uk |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:09) Hey Chris! :) |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:09) gonna keep us posted from the floor? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:10) You all get the webcast, right? I think that this meeting won't have anything spectacularly surprising, personally. |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:10) My thoughts precisely. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:11) ibid |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:11) Got that impression from the BC/IP meetings I attened yesterday... |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:12) This conference is so riveting....It's got me wondering when and where the next one will be. Any ideas? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:12) Stokholm |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:12) David: The business spokesperson told about scare of multilingual domain names -- do you happen to know who gave the presentation? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:13) Yeah head of the IAB (John???) dont have my notes here but I suport his reasons for being scared.. could be a zoo |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:13) Is there a plan for ICANN to come to the American East Coast at some point in the near future? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:14) Not this year Roger.. its back to LA for the November meeting |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:14) I see. Thanks. |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:14) David: John Klensin, probably? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:14) Not sure.. probably, works for ATT |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:15) He is a good speaker.. and made some excellant points around the issues and paying for what we have done to DNS |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:15) David, I don't think ICANN has yet announced its place of meetings past Stockholm. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:15) I don't know that LA has been chosen for the late fall as yet. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:15) Not to the best of my knowledge, at least. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:15) On the Website Ben |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:15) url? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:16) Ben, I heard a rumour that after Stockholm was going to be something in central/south america. Just a rumour, then? |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:16) Montevideo was announced somewhere |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:16) Perhaps Toronto Canada should be considered? |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:17) http://www.atlargestudy.org/calendar.html --> Montevideo, LA |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:17) I think the Board said it was interested in a Latin American site for the September meeting. No specific location announced yet, to the best of my knowledge. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:17) You maybe right Ben.. I do recall seeing it when I was cheking the next meetings.. the Offical scheduled has Stockholm, the Latin America |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:19) Roger sorry for misleading.. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:20) who's talking? |
| <RogerKeating> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:20) np |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:20) Joop |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:20) Joop Teernstra |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:20) you're welcome to have them here, in my house ...i'll put on some coffee, and roll out some cots ....my wifes an excellent cook. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:20) lol |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:21) ;) |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:22) oh dear - were being demonized |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:22) Christopher/Leah have your organizations initiated legal activity against ICANN? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:22) NSI is not a good alternative... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:23) I don't recall reading about any such moves... |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:23) No. Why would we want to do that? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:25) well, i was asking because one of the reasons for IOD's refusal was the fact of a currently functioning registry... whereas the choice of .biz happens to collide with an existing registry... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:25) what's good for the goose is good for the gander? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:26) Let's not forget the the board also pointed out the combined registry/registrar and yet that is exaclty what VeriSign wants! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:28) how long is today's webcast? |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:29) Judith: four hours GA, three and a half hours NC |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:30) thanks. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:31) good point on self-organization. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:31) yes agreed |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:32) Ken, I don't understand your question either. ?? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:33) the last 2 NC telcon meetings have addressed the creation of Individual constituency |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:33) Not really, not when there are no guidelines to follow for making a submission for a constituency or an open process for the approval or disapproval of such submissions. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:33) But, both times... they keep getting pushed backwards to some "future date" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:34) So, conceivably any group that comes forward claiming to represent individuals with an organization plan may be given constituency status? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:34) Dassa, if you're suggesting arbitrary criteria will be used to reject submissions, I think so too. |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:35) I see no reason why any group that meets specified criteria should be rejected as a constituency. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:35) Politics. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:35) Me neither |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:36) Dassa: Overtime would not alist of criteria develop?? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:36) but what about the conceivable plethora of constituencies that could result? Does this represent a workable, viable schema? |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:36) Why shouldn't they be defined now and adjusted over time. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:36) That was the point of my time question. I knew the answer. But, it would be nice to hear the GA or NC commit to something... anything! |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:37) True but I can see a reluctance to be seen as specifing, where they are trying to make it as open as possible |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:38) "Individuals" are the bane of the NC's & board's existence. Talk of consideration is only lip service. |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:38) The criteria does not have to be overly restrictive. A basic set of Articles for inclusion in all Constitutions, membership criteria including recently raised issues and a few other points. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:40) The truth is spoken! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:40) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:41) good for Joop! |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:41) Not the truth, only a viewpoint of events. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:41) I think the present state of the IDNO is proof of the position |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:42) This is a bad mistake on Joops part in my opinion. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:42) we're all entitled to opinions Dassa. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:42) Dassa, why? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:42) yes, why? |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:44) joops talking about william walsh |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:44) I'd like to know why as well Dassa? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:45) WXW's posts seem to have trickled off on the IDNO list of late... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:45) WXW and Joop have been banned 2 or 3 times from the GA list |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:45) You think so? I don't ... fyi, the same two that sabotage the domain lists and doing the same on the ENUM lists. |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:45) what a surprise - WXW must of done the damage required and now has retired. |
| <asvensson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:45) As a latecomer to the IDNO debate, I'm already tired of it and see little worth in fighting lost battles once more. If the IDNH Constituency shall have a chance to stand before the Board, the Constituency-to-be has to be much larger and much more international. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:45) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:45) he has done his job effectively |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:46) well, dassa, why? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:46) we're waiting for your explanation. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:46) And Walsh ain't on the ENUM list. |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:46) Joop has put forward a lot of negative views that will not assist in any attempts to raise an IDNH. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:46) why? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:47) be specific. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:47) please |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:48) good comment Darryl |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:48) good question Darryl! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:48) I think Darryl left.. |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:49) No, I'm still here, just split between a few different activities. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:49) Forget the the moment the IDNH. *Any* public list geared to developing an individual's constituency will be sabotaged by the same two who interfere with all the other lists. Regulars know who they are. Its a legitimate concern. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:49) (that's forget for the moment) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:50) yes Judith, what you say has some merit. how do we effectively defeat such tactics? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:50) limiting posts perhaps? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:50) 3 strikes - you're out |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:50) Its as though ICANN says you have to pass a swimming test, and these people keep draining the pool. |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:50) A good set of list rules and valid moderation deals with such issues. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:51) Ben: I must say, the webcast quality is excellent so far. I am on a 56k connection and I have not had a single problem to this point! Good job so far. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:52) effective Moderation will stop this, same happens in Chat space, and they tire quickly |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:52) Yes, I'm on a similar connection and this has been the best system I've used so far with regards to these Melbourne meetings. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:52) Ben: I must concur being on limited bandwidth.. not a drop out.. Well Done |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:52) "on it's own motion" |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:52) Thanks for the kind words. We worked hard to get excellent server placement, with low latency and low packet loss to key peering points. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:53) i am having more probs on a cable connection than i did on a 56k in november :-( |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:53) so my question on the time-schedule still stands. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:53) The video and sound is much, much better than in November. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:54) Looks so Kendall.. seems subject to the good graces of the Board |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:55) lol - could be on my end, left my firewall on highest protection |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:55) This is gonna be interesting |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:55) I just notice Johnson's comment ... "if it determines that such creation would serve the interests of ICANN". Back to my original point: politics. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:55) yep |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:57) What I find interesting is that the people who will USE the multi-linguals find the test bed unuseable. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:57) They are developing their own |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:57) Damm the BC was supposed to have a comment ready on the V$ agreement! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 18:57) yes, quite interesting |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:00) No one wants to reveal their position publicly, I think, because its more about negotiation/what's in it for me, than good public policy. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:01) Yeah more about $$ that potentialy go across to ICANN as the tlds get handed over |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:02) ICANN and VeriSign have had months, being in talks since the summer, to hammer out and fine tune their "what's in its for me |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:03) Everyone else needs catch-up time. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:05) I was surprised the number of people at the BC meeting whom hadnt read the announcment.. maybe just the time getting here.. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:07) Who's speaking? |
| <anon95> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:07) REGISTER.COM |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:07) register.com |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:08) thank you thank you. :-) |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:09) and for your bottom line??? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:10) WHOIS info: There are many people with privacy concerns regarding the selling of WHOIS data by NSI/VeriSign to commercial entities. Is there any official DNSO position as regards the private information being sold by NSI? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:13) why not post the question? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:13) I did |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:13) selective question/comment process... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:14) this one didn't seem to be "approved". |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:14) This problem was discussed on the GA list and warrants further discussion |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:14) Prolly off topic int he context of the agreement |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:14) Ben: are you selecting the questions? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:14) Better raised in the NC meeting |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:15) what time is it in Melbourne Ben? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:15) 11:20am |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:15) One hour break? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:15) thought he said 2 pm it continues? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:16) yes |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:16) so 2 hours & 40 minutes break? |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:16) See you all back here later |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:16) it's good to be the NC |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:16) absolutely |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 19:17) quit |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:06) hi tom |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:06) everyone |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:10) Hello Jessica |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:10) hi dassa |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:10) was wondering if anyone was around |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:10) are you at the meeting ? |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:10) Couldn't make it so am participating remotely |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:11) Hope it is better than the last one |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:12) So far most ppl think the facilities have been better. Personally found todays session the best so far with regards to quality and dropouts. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:13) Was much better technically ... question is whether anything will be accomplished |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:14) Would be nice if Patrick would get online and keep us posted too |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:19) it's called silence |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:19) (you can edit that out) ;-) |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:19) oh, on the windows media channel I hear some kind of pulse |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:20) hi gene |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:20) ben around? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:20) howdy all - Hi Ben! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:21) John Frangie, how the heck are you |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:22) Missed the first part ... any discussions on the new TLD's yet ? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:22) or expected ? |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:22) On the agenda for after 2:00pm |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:23) about 10 our time then |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:24) I need to get a couple of my guys to sit in then |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:25) wow.. allyourbase looks familiar |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:25) heck of a name |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:25) most are familiar |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:25) saw it on EFneXt Phorum |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:26) Personally I think IRC chats might be good once a week for a couple of groups |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:26) How are you gentlemen and ladies !! |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:28) Hi Sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:28) hey Jess! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:28) good to see ya |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:28) I agree Jess, some real time communication does go a long way to bring about understanding. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:28) you too ! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:28) does anyone know if froomkin is in Melborune? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:29) No .. he is attending remote I think |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:29) I believe he is... but i'm not sure |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:29) I gather MF couldn't get there. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:29) he was registered on the remote list |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:29) ah |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) You can see who is registered there and who is remote ... accessed from tehir main page |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) He participated remotely in the ncdnhc session |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) I think Joop did a fine job of bringing certain issues to the forefront, as relates to the IDNO and the possiblity for an IDNH constituency |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) can someone *privately* get his phone # to me? |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) What time is it start? I see bald man and computer. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) now if we can only get the idno functioning again |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) Was the bald one Joop ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) yes |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:30) I came in late and no names |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:31) he did a good job |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:31) Bald man on RealVision screen is Joop? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:31) I kinda suspected that was him |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:31) As I am on the polling committee, I'm thinking that as soon as the Meeting is over, we've got our work cut out for us to get things rolling. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:32) good luck |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:32) It is imperative that we focus on revitalizing the IDNO and presenting an organized and coherent presence at the next Meeting. |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:32) Individuals are good thing. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:32) we're going to need your help, Jess. As well as every other member. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:34) I'm thinking we're going to have to institute some new rules for the mail list... specifically, a limit to messages posted by individuals, and the introduction of a list moderator... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:34) although the latter is more preferable than the former imho |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:35) need something .. too many chiefs and not enuf indians |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:35) when does the meeting start up? |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:35) The List Chair is the moderator. There does need to be better list rules however. I do not agree with limiting posts personally. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:35) no kidding |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:36) another 2-3 hours I think |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:36) 82 minutes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:36) Dassa: I don't think the limiting of posts is desirable... but I'm just putting forth ideas... |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:36) 2pm there would be 10 here I think |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:36) Remember - you are all here... |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:36) For great justice. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:36) where's here jess? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:37) USA - Texas |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:37) DNSO Names Council (13:30 - 17:00) |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:37) wouldn't that be in 50 minutes? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:37) ah, so we've got some time yet. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:37) are there any questions we should attempt to push through all together for the NC? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:37) They just broke for lunch - unless I was on deferred time thru #scribe |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:37) Seems to be some confusion on the start time. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:38) I think it would be good if we could coordinate on some questions. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:38) They didn't seem to know what time exactly .. one said 2 and another said 1:30 |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:38) ICANN not use time server? |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:38) Strange beings in ICANN |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:38) You are here... |
| <AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:38) For great justice. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:38) Perhaps Ben can let us know what time it restarts? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:39) or Rebecca? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:39) As a corp they would be down the drain based on mismanagement ! lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:39) ha |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:40) I setup the #icann-other channel if you wanna join ... this one is official and logged |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:42) .. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:54) Dassa, have been away from the 'puter, but I agree with you that limitng posts is not a good idea. List moderation is okay if it is uniform |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:55) Yes, i think moderation is probably the best way to go |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:58) Strong list rules and moderation, those are mechanisms I agree with. |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:58) Be away for 20 minutes or so. Back shortly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 20:58) ibid |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:10) leah, still there? |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:16) Back |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:17) is it starting back in 10 minutes or 40? anybody know? |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:17) Suspect 40 |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:17) ty dassa :-) |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:17) not sure - suspect the latter |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:17) ty... bb in a bit |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:21) Joe - you here ? |
| <anon131> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:23) Anything interesting going on> |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:23) Lunch :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:26) Jess, sorry bout that, my machine did the funky chicken and crashed on me... |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:27) :) lost a HD last week |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:27) irc good at the dropping bit |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:27) please open the private chat again |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:28) just type /join #icann-other |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:28) oh |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:28) k |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:29) i'm here now |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:30) Joe .. one of our programmers may want to ask you for some help in setting up the dns servers |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:31) ok |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:31) which tlds? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:31) we haven't decided on all of them yet |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:31) i'm checking everything now to see what is available |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:32) may be quite a few .. not sure how experienced he is on the tech stuff tho |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:33) ok - the tld finder should be available at - http://www.pccf.net/cgi-bin/root-servers/whereis-tld - until this past friday all my networks were routed to spain via finland - poor dears are finally in california |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:33) k |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:33) it's up and working now ? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:36) Meeting will resume in about 15 more minutes. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:36) Perhaps twenty. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:36) thanks Ben |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:43) What is showing on the two screens, I can't make it out. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:43) i can't make it out either |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:44) bad angle |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:45) nice half-frames.. |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:48) I'll take CyberPhilosophy for 300 Alex |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:48) Wonder who picked out the music :) |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:49) Bet he's under 25 :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:49) we own cyberphilosophy.com |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:49) hehehe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:50) check it out. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:50) CyberIdiots.com <<< |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:50) he really does ;) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:50) yup |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:51) hi bruce |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:51) I'm writing the text for it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:51) book + website |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:51) got any draft stuff to peruse? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:52) nothing I'm ready to shop around just yet... but if you're interested, my email is sotiris@hermesnetwork.com |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:53) pericles.com would be a neat site .. probably gone now tho |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:53) you can get a hold of me in a month or so. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:53) names are good! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:53) Folks, meeting will begin in about five more minutes. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:54) ty ben :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:54) excellent |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:54) Waiting with baited breath Ben :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:55) Darryl, are you still committed to the IDNO? |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:55) sent |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:55) ok |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:56) Sotiis: I'm still a member and participating although I have held back to allow others to move forward. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:56) urgen: I'll be in touch Mark. No, no Bateson... yet. |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:56) :-) |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:57) someday there will be nice 300K streams... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:57) Darryl: I'm glad to hear it... I consider your posts to be quite lucid... even though i may not always agree, i still respect what you have to say (but i do often agree with you as well!) |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:58) Be hard for us all to agree all the time. That is what makes such groups work, the ability to disagree and move on. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:58) I think the IDNO is in need of a revitalization, and we're going to need everyone's input. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:58) yes, you're right. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 21:59) 300k streams... ahh... where is the promise of the multicast backbone? still a distant dream? |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:00) NASA TV is 300K |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:00) those helmet cams are outstanding |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:01) Canada has a national mbone functioning... |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:01) I'll be happy when I can get better than dialup at a price that doesn't mean I have to mortgage my house :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:01) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:02) an mbone set up in Canada will run you around $10,000 (just for the basics) |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:02) We are on :) |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:04) More like representing his personal interest |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:07) we want action now, screw the two year plan |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:08) not to mention NSI and VeriSign |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:08) More like representing Verisign only |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:08) Thanx verising for paying form everything |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:09) gag me with a spoon |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:09) Evryone here please pardon me but I hold no respect for these people at all, that is all! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:09) no kidding! |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:10) hahahahaha SWIPO TOO |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:10) Burp! |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:11) for the billions they pocketed, they should ahve flown everyone to Melbourn ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:11) LOL |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:11) Am I to understand that Stubbs is no longer the Chairman of the NC if so how wonderful for him he hooks himself and his friends up and moves on |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:11) the "robber-barons"! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:11) i've seen better plans written up on placemats at burger king |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:11) lol |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:12) Understatement Sotiris ...They took the NSOL stock to 247 - then sold and broke it |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:12) You watch, it will be impossible to register a name, region, locality... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:12) I have never seen such a waste of time and space. These people are so full of themselves |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:12) I think they will run into more problems with the .org mess |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:13) Shoot, what's the difference between an interim committee and a board of directors? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:13) .org is their downfall since they now started a fight with the planet |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:13) after all the encouragement people were given to register their domains in "all three" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:14) WIPO MUST BE STOPPED!!!! |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:14) WIPO2 .. one is too many ! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:14) anyone you can blindfold with dental floss should not be on the board making decisions reguarding vision for icann |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:15) hey Troy... not a relevant or appreciated comment! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:15) ouch |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:15) you running this room? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:16) no, but that sounded like racism to me. |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:16) boooo |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:16) damn right booo! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:16) troy? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:17) This organization gives bureaucracy more meaning |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:17) that member is VeriSign huh Roger? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:17) yeah |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:17) sad day for the Internet |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:17) He isn't racist he hates everyone the same |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:17) not a racist !! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:18) where are you troy? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:18) what part of the world i mean? |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:18) is this a pro icann room? |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:18) The DNSO NC Business Plan being discussed is posted on the DNSO website at <http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001-02.NCbusinessplan.html> and is linked off of the agenda for this meeting. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:18) MM, not bureaucracy. Pageantry. From Day 1. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:18) not likely Troy |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:18) sure its a pro ICANN room |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:19) not really a pro-ICANN room, but not a group of racists either... |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:19) but... it sure would be nice if it *could* be a pro ICANN room |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:19) So True, They really think they are needed are welcome it is sad |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:19) new tlds for insiders how nice |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:19) marcia, hong kong |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:20) ahh.k .. there is a troy blackwell in my town as well |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:20) Gotta protect that retirement |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:20) but, did they ever ask the "net users" ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:20) when do they ever? |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:20) that loop doesn't exist yet |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:20) we are inventing it now |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:20) here |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:21) There view of consensus and true consensus are quite different |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:21) hehe, I could tell them what to do with tlds, :) |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:21) lol leah |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:21) I kinda hope they all burn in hell but hey that's me |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:21) porno not allowed in here Leah ! :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:21) ha |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:22) Doesn't all this just sound like Charlie Brown talking |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:22) bunch of bs blowhards |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:22) probably not until 2002! |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:22) I wasn't thinking that way, Jess :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:22) sure sure |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:22) Leah meant put them in a root zone ;) |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:22) I was |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) where the sun don't shine... |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) There are 500o TLDs to choose from |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) pick a few |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) that would be too easy |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) We must only pick tlds for our special friends who can't compete without our help! |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) Stubbs I despise you! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) he would!!! ken stubbs! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) lol |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) He should be in Jail |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:23) why pick a few? put them all in there! |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:24) not only too easy, but not in the interests of the select bull dozing, WIPO kissing, multinationals who paid for ICANN |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:24) surprise surprise |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:24) what's he picking at |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:24) his triple chin |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:24) too much sauce |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:25) how does he represent gTLDs ?!?! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:25) new gTLDs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:25) no kidding! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:25) More like... Roger Cochetti. large monopolies. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:26) they won't be rolling out the new gTLDs until 2002... watch. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:26) Representatives huh me and the rest of the world never voted for you idiots |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:26) Damm dDICKtatorship |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:27) My favorite quote from Louis Touton in Nov. 2000: "you are here to observe not to participate!" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:27) the WIPO thieves will want to restrict 3/4 of the possible names... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:27) ie, let's hold off on any more competition for as long as possible. yada yada yada |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:27) gosh kendall there were sooo many good ones to pick from too |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:27) Can they actually stop the independent tld's like leah's ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:27) no |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) God willing I look to the day when all these people are mumbling together in a room and they don't control anything anymore |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) This will just throw more gasoline on the fire for companies like New.Net and that new German company offering alternative TLDs |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) I can't see any legal way for them to interfer - other than maybe selecting those same tlds |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) There's a lot more than those two Kendall |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) are they seeing this list in the room? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) Conflict of Interests now your talking |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) Maybe Mr Stubbs wants to speak |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) I know... but they are getting a lot of media attention lately |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) not in the meeting ... will be logged tho |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:28) who is DeBlanc? |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:29) this whole thing is based on a conflict |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:29) deBlanc...ccTLDs |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:29) sure you don't want ssuccess to your precious Verisign |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:29) with AT&T I think |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:29) How do these people look themselves in the mirror? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:29) B right Back |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:29) with welder's goggles |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:30) Anyone here knows a certain "when" of the release of the new MultiLingual domains of VeriSign? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:30) no |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:30) One thing what is the totla sum of all the idiots that make up ICANN and their little crooked supporters |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:30) no.. but their system is lame and will never work well. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:30) "review in Stockholm"!!!! |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:31) I think it's going to be when they launch the new gTDL's........ |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:31) hahaha |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:31) ah.. the imfamous and previously unknown "whois committe" |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:31) Delay it publicly - more time to work behind the scene to protect their arses |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:31) YJ's right, TLD people may not "evaluate their own success" but could drag out determining how long a time period it would take to measure the "proof of concept". |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:31) All these idiots to run 13 computers >> |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:31) LOL MM |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:31) or 13 computers running the idiots.... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) these idiots don't even run the 13 computers |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) They will drag it on for an eternity would we expect anything less |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) they are making themselves obsolete. Give them some rope and let them go! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) Anyone here there? YJ's comment, in context, needs to be supported. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) yes |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) They need to be Napsterized |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) who's there? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:32) they will be. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:33) Theresa Swineheart... aptly named. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:33) Good one |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:33) when is going to be stockholm? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:33) I was much cooler in previous meetins not any more they can kiss my ...... thought I was going to do it Lol |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:34) and then they will ignore the comments |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:34) like they don't already lol |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:34) I cannot believe he of all people is saying that. Chutzpah doesn't come close ... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:34) Is that Baldy Touton? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:34) Gabriel - July |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:34) cool |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:34) sususuedio |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) Louis "you are here to observe not to participate" Touton |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) lol |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) he turns my stomach |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) Just to note I despise him more than stubbs |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) i do also MM |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) when is going to be accepted the new members of the at large...? (this is a tough one) |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) but he's smiling... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) He lloks like one of those child molesters you read about |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) he's always smirking |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:35) look at him mugging for the camera |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) The amazing thing is that him and Joe Sims aren't even members of the Board! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) yep |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) Touton brings new meaning to the word "smug". |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) and the elected members????????? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) Tyhat's what gets me about the board meeting he pratically controlled it |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) he did |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) I hope he dies |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) lots of power...but not even board members |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) they must be here!!! |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:36) All goes by to the IVY leauge controlling the world |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:37) They work for JRDP not ICANN |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:37) nobody's gonna die mm |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:37) Ken, repeat after me: this is all just pageantry while staff runs the show ... this is all just pageantry while staff runs the show ... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:37) why that would be coooooll |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:37) tough room |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:37) who;'s this baldheaded guy ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:37) I know Judith... I've watched it for 2 years. It bothers me though maybe I have a conscience. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:39) No one has submitted any comments or questions |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:39) not me! |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:39) hasn't been enough to comment on...seems they are waiting for reports to be completed on most everything. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:40) x |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:40) i've lost all sound |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:40) you haven't missed anything ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:41) no kidding! be back shortly... |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:41) :) |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:41) try to listen with the audio from the MS media, I have the same situation! |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:41) some brilliant statements there :) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:41) Why hasn't the proposed Verisign contract revision been formally submitted to the DNSO? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:42) Touton... what a prick! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:42) Yes! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:42) Sound working for everyone else? Looks good here. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:42) still no sound |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:42) mine is good |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:42) Why Verisign launch a thing that doesnt work?!!!! (ML domains) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:42) yes ben it's working for me... on 56 K main REal audio stream |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:42) mine is excellent .. no complaints Ben |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:43) Great. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:43) still nothing for me |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:43) the quality this time seems much better overall than the LA meeting |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:43) i agree |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:43) and I'm thru AOL ... :) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:43) Try restarting your stream Sotiris |
| <quasar-orsc> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:43) these get better each time :) |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:43) Working well here. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:44) ok restart worked. yeah this is definitely better than Yokohama |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:44) thanks kendall |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:45) How to shut up YJ |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:45) anyone know if new.net is on the agenda? |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:45) whats about Geneve? This "streaming" audio sucks.... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:46) lol |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:47) harmony's went out with the mama's and the papas |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:47) What a sad example for the world 19 idiots and their insiders represntating the medium for freedom in the world |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:48) Funding call it what it is Payoffs |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:48) right |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:48) Jon Postel R.I.P. none of these idiots would even be here if they had not knocked him off! |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:48) Wow I am glad someone said that I have always thought thAT WAS A REAL POSSIBILITY |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:48) he died on an operating table... |
| <baptista_> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) you think postel was killed by his friends :) |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) a young man |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) yeah right. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) CCtlds aren't going along with this foolishness |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) Not his friends but those who seen him as an obstacle |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) just when they were going about the privatization of TLDs |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) or.. not J.Postel as much as what he represents that is dying |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) Billions baby remember that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) trillions |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:49) but its not dying so much as much as it is just so very hard to express |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:50) Man I thought I was the only one who harbored such suspicion |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) In Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, the individual "John Galt" survives and wins... in the real world, they murdered Jon postel, after he created the wheel for them... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) Harmonization = trademark gang bang. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) LOL |
| <Gabriel> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) yeap, all for those dollars.com......... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) no, trademark circle-jerk |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) NSI+SAIC+ CIA |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) =CIA excuse me |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) you missed a few MM |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) RACE -- the Row-based ASCII-Compatible Encoding standard, a kludge that doesn't work well. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:51) FBI and drug group too |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:52) just look at these intellectual midgets!!! what a joke. |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:52) =MIA |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:52) SS, were it only a circle jerk, but alas, there's the raped domain name damsel ... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:52) And yes the real world they KILL all the time |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:52) just pawn |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:52) only supports certain languages and all but eliminates the rest of the world |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:53) the only reason that they want RACE is that it works on ASCII and is cheaper than restructuring the DNS in a way that would actually work. |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:53) multiple considerable |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:54) i think touten is looking for his basket already! |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:54) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:55) that they knocked off Jon Postel is more than patently obvious to everybody who knows anything about the history of these yoyos... how we're going to fight them is not so clear. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:55) Mr. Babtista although I would be considered a latecomer to the net i have done a considerable amount of homework but more importantly to me I believe in my heart that this did indeed happen to Jon Postel |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:56) Soory mispelling Baptista |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:56) Basket case |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:56) ICANN solution to everything: let's wait and discuss it during the next meeting |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:56) The great Procrastionators |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:57) And whatever they say about new.net They are making what they are doing work with the help of the "internet community" isn't it amazaing |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:57) how about REAL multilingual domain names and not some ASCII hack that works for a few languages? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:58) Thesepeople will review until hell freezes over |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:58) It's all about protecting the almighty monopoly |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:58) lets have a meeting to find out when the next meetting is! |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:58) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) HAHA |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) I bet the buffet an the pool at the hotels are quite nice. |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) in vajrayana, assigned designation is the heart of the philosophy, it has existed for a couple thousand years now... |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) in the interim Stubs and tueton have the CON |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) my scribe's notes stopped ben |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) Everyone, you can sit and moan about a monopoly or you can work ontructively to try and make change |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) .CON |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) If this wasn't so sad it would be funny anbd I know it has been said before |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) WHY NOT? |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) these are such o l d arguments |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) heim |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 22:59) oops com |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:00) .CON? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:00) You will have to pry my .org from my dead fingers |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:00) WAS IT CONSIDERED? |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:00) COM? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:00) no... .con |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:00) thanks |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:01) Someone needs to get Militant on these Mofos lol |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:01) here is your girlfriend again MM |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:01) MM isn't that trademarked lol |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:01) well I dont beleive being millitant will change it.. Few revolutions in the last century went anywhere |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:02) yeah but I bet it felt good lol |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:02) what do you propose David? |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:02) they will get to that when tueten says they get to it |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:02) How can such corruption that is NOTICED survive for so long Amazing |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:03) MM ... follow the money. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:03) I propose to continue to work through the system, hey I DONT agree with alot happening, this has been the first ICANN meeting I have attened |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:03) Maybe it's time to pry into the backgrounds of all of them lol |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:04) Oh your first , my virgin friend welcome lol |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:04) Did I miss much? I was fooling arround with my girl...... :) |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:04) But I do know from my own experience that change will come from influencing not by trying to bash heads |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:04) David, its unfortunately a nonsystem posing as a system. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:04) yep, nothing but a glorified collection plate |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:04) Tell that to those who have applied such honesty since the begining |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:04) I've been doing these since Fall of 1999 and it is the same people and same red tape and beuracracy |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:05) worse now Kendall it just gets worse |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:05) I was in Boston in '98... same crap, over and over. |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:05) True.. I see the current state of ICANN as almost embryonic from the perspective of a corporation, lots of naval gazing and procrastination, but thtere is an opportinuity their to put forward constructive comments |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:05) you said it |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:05) I pray for the comming of the genius that will Napsterize these people |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:05) I'm working on it |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:06) I agree David... I am a member of quite a few mailing lists and discussions. |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:06) the names may change but the game remains the same |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:06) here is a lot of money.com......... thats impossible....... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:06) I know it is there someone will do it |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:06) who? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:06) money has no brains... sooner or later, the brain will appear. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:06) david , Comments they have comments for window dressing |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) VeriSign would be happy to grease some palms |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) who is this sweet ladie? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) look at the monster the Govt created |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) Swineheart |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) an unknowing conspiritaor? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) aptly named |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) he looks funny! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) lol |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:07) Judy .. that money may end up the thorn in their heel |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) Oh Stubbs Mr Conflict of Interest himself |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) STUBBS!!!!!! |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) he lloks like he has one foot in the grave |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) I think he's a dwarf |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) greetings |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) hey Joanna! |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) sorry I'm late |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) hi |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) hey joanna |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:08) hi joanna |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:09) no problem... you haven't missed much. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:09) same crap since Boston '98 |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:09) The usual suspects up to thier usual tricks |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:09) hi jess, kendall, sotiris, marcia et al' |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:09) Hey people, here our friends are recording all this, later the Carnivore and it's friend, the little Echelon will... well... I hope not...... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:09) One mr comment fromMr Stubbs, who has the best offshore banking! |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) not forgetting Ben... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) PowerPoint?! |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) He would be nice Mr Stubbs if you were reading my comments |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) don't worry S. Amer ... they drive those little black vans |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) he could care less MM |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) Yeah as long as they run MS Windows |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) 3.1.... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) Echelon can kiss my ^%$ I have had it with these fools lol |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:10) Is that stubbs in the plaid shirt ? |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:11) he is the original bubble boy |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:11) he's all dressed up |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:11) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:11) I am 32 years old... I've been following this stuff for three years, and I've seen nothing which leads me to beleieve that the future holds any improvements where thse bozos are concerned. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:11) They are worse than communists, at least there you can work in the community here you can't evenget the chance to work |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) I (and my generation) are the future |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) it won sotiris ... called control .. you can read all about it at fed.org |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) and these yoyos will have a lot more to deal with than they think! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) where is Araubach? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) he is on the Board not the NC |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) ok |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) Sotiris it will onlky get worse and what of the future users and our children they will have nothing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) they are not worse than communists, they ARE commies! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:12) corporate commies! |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:13) yeah.... then Will Simith appears and some guy who drinks coffee too! (I think I sow a couple in this reunion) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:13) Corporate America is a cult |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:13) Stubbs belongs in Jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:13) ouch |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:14) Judith says Follow the money do they disclose their finances? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:14) they sure do MM |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:14) only in closed door meetings |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:14) only what they want to discloe LoL |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:14) verisign pocketed apx 63 bil on the nsol deal |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) the CIA sold it at the peak |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) wow ! |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) yes, and the money of the unworking multilingual domains..... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) MM, give my generation a chance. we're not sell-outs like the woodstock hippie crowd. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) Actually the NC is an "SO" (Supporting Organization) and are not held to the same conflict of interest policy that the ICANN Board members are |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) the separate vid feel (not the dual pane) is wayyy better |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) Folks, just a reminder to please stay on topic. And no personal attacks. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) we're sick of the commies. |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:15) THEY ARE COMMIE HERE!!!!! |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:16) Ben, did you make improvements for this online particpation from last time? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:16) average hacker age? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:16) he did! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:16) much better than Yokohama |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:16) Thus ... members of the NC (like Stubbs) were not held to the conflict of interest policy during the gTLD selection process |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:16) Ben we love ya but not again didn't we go through this last time lol |
| <DavidWilkins> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:17) Ben as a Comment.. Real is working much better than WindowsMedia.. in low bandwidth.. |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:17) what happend in Yokohama? (to Sortiris) |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:17) What time is this meeting over (EST?) |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:17) I mean I really hate these pricks what am I to do??????????? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:17) Ben, are any remote comments going to be read? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:17) SA: nothing much.. it all happens behind closed doors, this is window-dressing. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:17) they read them on the lists anyway |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:18) right Sotiris |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:18) << totally agrees with sotiris on that last point |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:19) So many have spent so much time fighting thse fools when they could be making their ife better what a shame |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:19) you'll notice no comments have been taken from the audience as yet. see the comment from the chair at start of scribe's notes. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:19) I'd like to have them in a boardroom for about an hour |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:19) just 5 minutes with me... |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:19) naaaa you play with them the first 58 minutes .. |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:19) and we all sleep as babies.... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:19) I need a few minutes I am going to be sick b right back |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:20) Natural order = VeriSign [$$$$] ==> ICANN |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:20) lol |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:20) I think verisign will take over when ICANN gets into more trouble |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:20) avoid substantive issues???? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:20) always have ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:20) is he serious? |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:20) Ben, I don't see comment from the Chair becuase I joined late, please repeat |
| <urgen> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:20) self forming.. meaning not a self yet |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:21) collective commies have no self |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:21) where is Bill Gross when you need him? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:21) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/scribe-icann-031101-nc.html point I.A. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:21) he's watching the same as we are :) |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:21) good |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:22) I need a list of his tlds and name.space or whateverit is called |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:22) the 500 or so |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:22) Damn... they speak as Max Hedroom.... (and looking as good as him) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:22) keyword: "some future meeting" |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:24) no - later and thanking each otehr |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:24) yes, the thanking of Swineheart almost made me toss |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:24) Think I would change my name if it was swinehart |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:24) can the band play her off? |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:25) like on the oscars |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:25) yes, in "some future meeting"..... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:26) I noticed that Michael Froomkin just quit the Scribe channel. Does anyone know if he is there in Melbourne? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:26) I thought he was.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:27) "dysfunctional"!!?? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:27) more like "corrupt"! |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:27) he was shown as remote earlier |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:27) they always cut off YJ in mid-sentence! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:27) cutting her off |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:27) Bill, new.net vs namespace I thought it was supposed tobe new.net vs ICANN how'd that happen |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:27) no kidding |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:27) She is evidently not one of Toucan's favorite people |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:28) nope |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:28) good for YJ!! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:28) excactly! YJ Park knows what is up. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:28) I'm glad she's getting more aggressive. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:28) yes me too |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:28) She was very good on the working group |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:28) she was |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:29) yes she was |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:29) I like her |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:29) a really working woman |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:29) Hitting them on the trust issue is great ! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:29) how does the board feel about her/ |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:29) I bet they feel threatened by her |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:29) I think they tolerate her ... but they cut her off |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:29) me to |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:30) I don't think Michael is there |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:30) yes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:30) How the board feels doesn't matter. STAFF doesn't like her. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:30) Nazi Staff? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:30) We need more people like her on the Board and on the NC! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:30) more like Stalinists |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:31) anyone with the truth gets frowned on by the board it seems |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:31) Interesting suggestion, when you consider IBM's role in Nazi Germany. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:31) Yes because the truth will set you free |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:31) to much to loose |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:31) ahhhh intresting point Judith |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:31) hmmmm |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:31) Back finally, had a service go down, took me a little while to get it back up. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:31) wb dassa |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:32) Vajny and Stubbs? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:32) Why does stubbs sound drunk to many fosters |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:32) free bar ... courtesy Verisign :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:32) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:32) no! not her! |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:32) next |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:32) I wish some members of Congress would watch this farce |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:32) explain me a little the stosy of this guy, I don't heard too much about him |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:33) Here's how it works: VeriSign [beer] ==> Ken Stubbs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:33) anybody but her!!! |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:33) so ken is "alcoholic"? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:33) why not? He's involved in everything else |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:33) We all really need to back up and demand full elections otherwise there is no hope |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:34) i can't quite see if his nose is red... but i don't think it's relevant |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:34) he's drunk with the greed of his power |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:34) oh... they actually laugh! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:34) yeah, so self-entertainedf |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:34) the members elected in the at large: NOW IN THE BOARD!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:34) I second Milton! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:34) Yes! Milton Muehler! |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:35) Hey Touton if your reading this I hope you rot in Hell and I mean that in the most sincere way Thanks for listening |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:35) no! not Swineheart!!! |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:35) relax MM .. he can't see you |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:36) but us yes! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:36) Go YJ! |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:36) I would tell him to his face you can believ that |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:36) I cant belive these people are in charge of my financial destiny |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:36) DAMN!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:36) not this screwtop! |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:37) I just volunteered |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:37) MM, your comment is not appropriate for this forum. Please adjust your tone accordingly. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:37) bet they love that Mueller recommendation |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:37) I will stick with my belief in the coming of the Napsterization of ICANN |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:37) didn't they? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:37) SouthAmerican - yes, the at large-elected directors are now on the board, but the board's hands are largely tied. Where most staffs work for boards, in ICANN's case, the board is pretty much whipped into submission by the staff, no matter individual board members' good intentions. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:37) Jon Zittrain was here... where did he go? |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:38) Napsterization? lol |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:38) You know what Ben the last time I checked I lived in a Democracy and since no one else has politely asked me to do so what is the problem? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:38) What recommendation did Mueller make? I don't even see him here ... ? |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:38) Thanks JO; not so far ago they cant go to Melburne, as far as I know, this is new for me! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:38) I was nominated for GA Chair... I think I'll accept the nomination. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:39) and seek the post |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:39) Parks recommended Mueller |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:39) Gotcha. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:39) Friggin nazi webcast |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:39) good Sotiris .. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:39) i urge everyone to join the GA voting registry |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:39) I second the nomination of Mueller! |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) ahhh my favorite ... Gomes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) it's time to get a word in edgewise! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) tell your friends! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) MM, the introduction to this forum says, in no uncertain terms: |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) "CIVIL DISCOURSE: Profanity and personal attacks are prohibited in this forum. We also ask that chat discussions be limited to ICANN, issues under consideration, and related topics. Please conduct off-topic discussion elsewhere. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) He pocketed 1.6 mil on the NSI stock |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) Comments about hell or nazis are clearly not permissible under this standard. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) Ben, what about Commies? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:40) Heck Ben I thought I was discussing ICANN |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) VeriSign [$$$] ==> ICANN ==> NC |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) Ben, did you display my comment about vilunteering? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) Can I call them Capitalist pigs |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) yes you can |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) I personally don't like commies, but I can understand if some people sympathize... |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) Censorship aint it grand |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) Comments read are clearly marked -- in scribe's notes, and with check marks in the listings of comments. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) Joanna, you should be able to determine whether or not your comment was read on that basis. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:41) I have the worst headache ... how long before they get to Verisign agreement, new TLD contracts, non-ICANN TLDs and At Large? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) that's easy.. never |
| <MmmCow> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) they'll rush the discussion |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) Your headache may get worse |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) excuse me, on what basis? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) like always |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) Judy .. as long as they can put it off ... :) |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) Hey Ben, don't take seroious all this, wea are laughing a little, be cool! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) we laugh too Ben. |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:42) Ben I am sorry you have to work with those people you don't seem so bad at all although I can see how it can make you grumpy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:43) WIPO has not "repossessed" laughter yet... |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:43) They asked for volunteers. I volunteered. Did you post it to the projection screen? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:43) This chat is not displayed on a projection screen in the room. Never has been. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) Ben? could you post Joanna's volunteering? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) Post it where? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) add my name as well |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) They are effectively determinging how I can compete in the markplace which is zilch and I need to be nice what a new world we live in |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) Ben. After all the discussions we had, I think you know I understand that. I asked whether or not you posted my comment to volutteer |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) wherever the room can see it.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) I think the audience needs a laugh too |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) Please review point I.A of http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/scribe-icann-031101-nc.html |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) To the public meeting projection screen. You do have one I take it? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) There is no public comment during this portion of hte meeting. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:44) That pertains to you and to the in-person audience. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:45) It would not be in order for me to project your comments, or any other audience-generated content, at this time. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:45) The public comment period will be at the end |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:45) Louis Touton: "you are here to observe not participate" |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:45) The call for volunteers was directed to those present of the NC, not the general public. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:45) they will rush the public comment period... watch. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:45) happens every time... |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:46) Oh I see, so they ask for volunteers, but we, since we are not pohysically present, have no means to do that. Is that true? |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:46) Ben, If some people have different opinions, they are in their rights, it's in the Bill of Rights, please, respect that. I don't agree to all, but I dont attack no one |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:46) They save public comments for the last 3 minutes of the meeting. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:46) The what is the point of the online chat? |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:46) The way I heard it, they called for volunteers from within the NC. I might be wrong though, haven't been able to pay full attention. |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) to vent anger :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) it's here for US to get organized. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) VeriSign [$$$] ==> ICANN |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) so let's take advantage of it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) Is everyone here a member of the GA Voter Registry? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) Yes |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) So what is your comment Kendall? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) where is everyone $50,000 as 50,000 was sufficent funding for each applicant so if 7 were picked you don't need the rest Damm Crooks |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:47) think I quit Sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:48) join again jess |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:48) sound off for me folks |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:48) I have them in a text document ready to cut-and-paste when the time is right |
| <JoannaLane> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:48) send them to me? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:48) you mean secret payoffs for the DNSO for consensus |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:48) How the volunteering works? what the volunteers made? Im intrested! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:48) sure. hang on.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:49) "consensus" is another way of saying "gang rule", the most powerful and organized gangs rule... |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:49) stubbs looks like he just came off of a hog farm |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:49) ol |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:49) consensus also means democracy.... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:49) foot and mouth |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:49) e-footand e-mouth |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:49) no.. consensus is not democracy... there's no voting |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:50) I don't think I have ever seen a dictionary words meaning so twisted in all my life "Consensue" from there but buddies one hand washes the other |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:50) democracy means voting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:50) not back room meetings |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:50) who's the guy in the black suit and tie ? |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:50) Yeah but llok who is determining the consensus and then you know it is a joke |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:51) i think tueton was close to backhanding her with his basket |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:51) lol |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:51) for asking ?'s |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:52) these people don't like questions |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:52) all say CASH |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:52) huh ? since when is the UN not for profit ? we owe them billions |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:53) like Louis would know if it was posted. |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:53) icann controls the inventory, and they know it |
| <Dassa> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:54) They need some better financial management, that amount of interest earned was shocking |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:55) yeah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:55) it's a sick joke |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:55) They stole 1.8 million dollars from 37 applicants . If 50,000 was adequate for each individual appliacnt from start to finish as if they were to be chosen then they stole 1.8 million because under Roberts testimony and the ICANN website 350,000 should suffice. Throw them in JAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:56) and toss the key away1 |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:56) custodian of funds (ie: VeriSign) |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:56) Roberts own testimony buries them |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:57) can i get a Amen |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:57) Royal bank of Canada I think Ken |
| <MM> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:58) Ben are you with me? am I doing alright? I can serve up some nasty facts that make the word nazi look like childs play |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:58) you're doing good MM |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:59) mm good |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:59) Does Jonathan Cohen have anything to do with that Jess? |
| <jesswest> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:59) don't know Ken |
| <KendallDawson> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:59) He is Canadian isn't he? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:59) I AM |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, March 10, 2001 at 23:59) Canadian |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:00) Royal Bank custodian for the UDRP - eResolution when complaints filed |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:00) I have nothing against Canadians! I just find it odd that RBC was chosen and maybe by Jon Cohen of the NC? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:01) He is also an IP lawyer |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:01) Director of the Bank was on the eResolution committee |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:01) Canada has a banking system second to none! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:01) also our tax system |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:01) forget his name .. but in their 10k |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:02) when Cuba was shopping round for an income tax model.. they chose Canada's! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:02) I'm sure it does... but, the NC likes to offer favors to their friends |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:02) but we're supposed to be a democracy... NOT! |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:02) hahahahaha |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:02) Someone tell Ken Stubbs to do something with his hair already. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:03) it's not his hair.. it's his head.. it's oddly shaped. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:03) I must be lagging ..........guy in black suit with receding hair on now |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:03) I don't know what it is, but the look of his face just annoys me. He has this built-in smugness. |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:03) he said hell BEN ooooh |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:04) Wholely unjustified by his intellect. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:04) uh oh! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:04) both he & touton have that smug look |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:04) nothing like Louis Touton ... the very definition of "smug" |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:04) lol |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:04) but yes, touton takes the cake |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:04) I love to ask those dumb little questions that sends stubbs thru the ceiling :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:05) I though Stubbs was a dwarf. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:05) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:05) so i was told |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:05) I mean, you just look at Vint Cerf or Karl Auerbach, and you see faces of decent people, generally speaking. It comes off their skin and face. Touton and Stubbs, and Kraakinbrink (sp?)....and it's like your looking at Darth Vader. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:05) maybe they meant an intellectual midget? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:06) Tom, comments about personal appearances are not appropriate here. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:06) Please limit your discussion accordingly. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:06) yes, physiognomic principles are sound as far as i'm concerned |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:06) Twice ICANN promised the Us Govt that there would be 9 elected board directorsonce at their inception and once when Esther Dyson promised aCongressional committee. It hasn't happened since ICANN LIED and changed their bylaws which effectively disregards the founding principles of the whitepaper Mike Roberts Lied to the Senate Subcommitte when he stated that the 9 would be selected if it was "feasible" the white paper never states this. When the bylaws were changed one much ask why t |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:06) lol. yeah, yeah, I'm zipping. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:06) But can you please tell ICANN about its inappropriate behavior? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:06) To be fair. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:07) The whole matter of revoking registrations in .org is very unsettling. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:07) i think commenting on a smug look is appropriate |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:07) i'll sue them if they do revoke mine |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:08) I think it says a lot, thank you Marcia. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:08) Perhaps the comment on hair is irrelevant, but comments on smug looks is reasonable. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:08) monstrum physiognomica |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:08) after all, you want those in a position of power to be humble and respectful, not smug |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:08) And not condescending. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) Has anyone noticed that Chris Ambler's name is not included in the Attendee List? |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) he is shown as logged in remote tom |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) was |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) Talk about an obvious snub. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) He further disreagrded the white paper by stating to the Senate "that since the board of an organization whose mission was technical stability of the internet selectedby an electorate that would almost certainly know almost nothing about the subject was unwise" What a reason calling the internet community idiots |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) in remote...but he is at the site... |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) that had to be entered manually, and someone omitted it. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) I assume he could log in even if he is in Melbourn tho |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:09) I personally operated the preregistration system. There were no snubs. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) Then Ben, can you include his name? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) he is in melbourne |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) In the Attendee list? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) and he was in here too |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) If he's not on the list, he failed to preregister, he failed to check the "list me publicly" box, or the system malfunctioned. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) As he is an Attendee |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) is Mueller there or Karl ? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) There's no ill will here, and you're wrong to suggest that. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) He preregistered. Ask him. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:10) Sorry to unsettle the water |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:11) Just like ICANN convientely forgot to post Karl Auerbach's senate testimony whiler posting roberts and cerf is it that kind of malfunction? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:11) Ben, is not the Attendee List compiled at the commencement of the conference, based upon sign-ins on site? |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:11) Now you have a glimpse into my mind and why I think ICANN are nazi,hell seeking SOB's |
| <SouthAmerican> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:12) Well people, it was a really pleasure to meet you all! And also I hope well to the Board, becouse after all, they must resolve our troubles. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:12) nice to meet you too SA |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:13) Oh one more thing it's nice that Afilias and Ken Stubbs was able to split the 50k fee between 19 of them while everyone else who was robbed had to pony up the whole 50k |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:13) MM, I dont see a problem with that. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:13) As all entities in Afilias will get 1/19th of the income. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:13) It is legal and proper. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:13) hey Tom! |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:13) ANd I am NO FRIEND to either stubbs or afilias. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:14) Hi, Joanna. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:14) really 50k split between 19 org who will reap a windfall and everyone else gets stuck for 50 and weren't any where near being seriously considered what a farce |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:14) MM, they are one new entitiy.....though formed out of resources of 19 |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:14) It might be legal it certainly doesn;t make it right |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:14) wow ... they pay some hi hosting fees ! |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:15) just a bigger monopoly if you apply common sense when viewing it |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:15) absolutely |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:15) MM, there is little Afilias has done right. But I think that is right and proper. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:15) no one with a large portion of the pie should have been permitted to apply for new TLDs |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:15) agreed, marcia |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:16) Ok is it right that Stubbs was Chairman of the NC of the DNSO which ICANN gets their "consensus" from to be awarderd a tld and he is aso on the board of afilias Cmon already |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:17) not to mention his cronies on the Excom of Core got .aero and wiull operate the registry for .museum Pretty unusual odds wouldnt you say |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:17) really? this guy recommends but sits on the board of one of the companies he recommended? |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:17) your right mm |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:18) yes sm ! |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:18) thats illegal |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:18) thats right sm |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:18) who does Martinez represent? |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:18) no shit I have been yelkling this F*&^ crap for months they are Corrupt |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:18) yes, and everyone is aware of it and still it was allowed to continue |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:19) hmm sounds like the basis for a lawsuit but im no lawyer |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:19) and its praised by the Govt |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:19) it was even included in the new TLD staff report as "negative comments" |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:19) MM, the words of your last post are absolutely unacceptable in this forum. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:19) Please review the introductory message re profanity and appropriate tone. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:19) Upon a further violation from you, I'll have to ask you to leave. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:19) Martinez is NCDNHC |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:19) "openness and transparency" ?!?! whos Ken kidding? |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:20) Go to CORES website since they are now arrogantly proud of it and looka tthe players behind the apps andthen look at stubbs and company what a sad jike |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:20) he believes he's untouchable |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:20) He laughed while saying it |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:21) Every dog has their day and this BITCH will get it (BEN I meant a female dog buddy) |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:21) get him Ben |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:21) he said it again |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:21) he said "damn"! |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:22) MM, perhaps you should chill out a bit. Even I didnt go that far. |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:22) one more time and we will all ask him to leave forever |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:22) oh very funny |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:22) hahahaha he is so funny |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:22) oy |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:23) argumentative bugger isn't he? |
| <anon185> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:23) what is going on with new.net |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:23) nothing.. they are discussing budget now |
| <anon185> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:23) thanks |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:23) nothing yet |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:23) stubs that is |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:23) +LOOk closer at Rober Connelly and Harry Lubsen involved with afilals and with Stubbs on the executive committe of Core look art Ros Delgado member of the Exec committee of Core with Stubbs and with .Aero look at Werner Staub exe commitee of Core then look at .museum |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:24) those domains are a joke |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:24) argumentative? |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:24) unbelievable three of the 7 out of 44 in tighter thantight with Stubbs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:24) I'll write the RFP! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:24) sit down Ken |
| <anon185> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:24) need .xxx, .sex to get adult sites away from children.... easier to block access to schools. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:25) the pedos would know where to go |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:26) Tom come back to me in a year and I am willing to bet you be calling thwm ^%&*(&%% to lol |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:27) We need more women on the NC. They seem to have common sense. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:27) MM, I think he is a throwback to our ancestors from the swamp. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:27) heehee...but this is a family chatroom. : ) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:28) They never let YJ talk! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:28) go girl ! |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:28) Common Sense! Yes, indeed, this proposal of Common Sense is a fine thing. As a point of order I propose that we form a committee to apoint a consultant to report to a committee on this factor. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:28) let her talk! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:28) don't let him interrupt you ! |
| <anon185> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:28) any ideas or thoughts expressed about new.net? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:29) an interesting concept. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:29) i think it will be discussed quietly - i don't think icann wants to give it any more publicity than it already gets anon |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:29) agreed |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:29) Bet someone brings it up tho |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:29) yep :-) |
| <anon185> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:30) the chairman of new.net is there... im sure it will be discussed... and what about these ISP which are adopting it and pointing their servers? |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:30) They really should call for tenders on the supply of resources. The costs quoted seem abnormally high to me. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:30) I agree Dassa |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:30) of course they're high |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:31) Hey, I need work, and I'd have done it for quite a bit less. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:31) I predict : :) ICANN gonna cut their own throat financially ... then Verisign will step in thru SAIC |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:31) they're going to be paid to people who are members of their circle |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:31) same path as NSI |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:31) Some of the money goes to service and the rest goes in their pocket |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:31) yep ... get Roger to do it |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:31) they don't have any money to put in their pockets now |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:31) kickbacks |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:32) naaa |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:32) Call it what you will Tom but I know my FACTS |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:32) LET YJ TALK ! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:32) Let YJ talk! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:32) STOP INTERRUPTING HER |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:32) "running out of time" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:32) means no public comment |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:33) period |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:33) Any time someone objects they run out of time |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:33) Time you have time you have all that money you stole from the applicants and they say time is money |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:33) is there only one meeting currently via webcast? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:33) The budget meeting? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:33) only one meeting is ever webcast at any given instant. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:33) Plenty of time for Ken Stubbs to make jokes.. but not time for YJ Park to object to Roger Cochetti's plan |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) It's following the Agenda. See - http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/agenda-nc-031101.html |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) this afternoon (melbourne time), we're webcasting the entirety of the names council meeting. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) I see. Thanks. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) (that's all. no other meetings being webcast this afternoon) |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) They need a good Internat affairs dividion is what they need |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) internal |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) Ben, how long will past meeting be available in archives? |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) I beyt Ben is happy about that since I will be gone Lol |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:34) Are they slated for being removed at any time? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) They need to stay online as a matter of public record. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) hmmmm YJ much nicer than I would be |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) Tom, no archives have been removed to date -- archives going back to icann's nov 98 meeting in cambridge.. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) They will be there Tom enjoy your homework then we willtalk civilized |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) The links shouldnt change, because I have seen them in online bibliographies. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) no plans at the moment to remove content at any point in the future. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) hi ben |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) archives intended to persist. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:35) It's important to me that the public record not be removed. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:36) Would make nice evidence when the time is upon us |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:36) Here is a telling comment from the Scribe's Notes: "Cochetti: Think no further NC action is needed. ICANN management will complete this process." (behind closed doors) |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:36) afaik, they are on cyber.law.harvard.edu, so not related to the web stuff that ICANN may, or may not get around to paying for. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:36) MM, enjoy my homework? lol |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:36) lol |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:36) <slap> |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:37) sheesh ... all this time on getting a consultant and paying him .. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:37) I would like to point to all the objections in the ICANN Public comment forum |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:37) The verisign agreement but let's not neglect that "consensus' from the public comments board yeah right |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:37) Chuck Gomes (from VeriSign) will represent the NC in the presentation to the Board. How fitting |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:38) where are the notes for the GA Chair meeting? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:38) Ben, do you know whether or not ICANN directors view these logs, officially or otherwise? |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:38) This will be ICANN's undoing Go for it do it I dare them they will have picked a fight with every .org holder on the planet |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:38) doubt they would at all Tom ... |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:38) Yeah Tom all because of me lol |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:39) Yes he would rahter do it off camera |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:39) BEN: If there are public comments at the end please ask my question about the public forum objection to the NSI/Verisign contract |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:39) I know that at least some ICANN directors review logs of this space, yes. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:39) The overwhelming objection to it |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:40) Kendall, comments will be read in the order received, subject to the stated constraints (one-per-person, related to topics discussed, etc.) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:40) yes, the ATLARGE directors probably |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:40) not the appointed royalty |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:40) they would not deign to check these plebeian logs |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:40) Keep breaking your promises to the white paper |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:40) Ben...that is the wrong answer...please give kendall a straight answer |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:41) My question: "There were a significant number of comments on the ICANN public comment forum in opposition to the VeriSign/NSI agreement. Can the Board give the Internet Community an assurance that these will be given proper consideration and if so, how?" |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:41) They won't take your question because it is to much trouble |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:41) I support Kendall's question. Any others? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:41) Certainly it wouldn't be fair for me to favor Kendall's question over others, just because he asked. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) Me too but when pigs fly will they consider it |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) We said we'll read comments in the order received. And we will do so, that way. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) Joe Sims' presentation on the Verisign Agreements is posted at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/simms-verisignagrmts.html>. It is also linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) Ben, Kendall's question has my support. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) a Condom what sex ed |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) can we take a vote in the chat room? do others like my question? Say YES |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) YES |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub reflects that ... |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) If you had done ewhat you promised to do, we could have agreed this in advance |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) the first comment received during this meeting came from Eric, then Darryl, etc. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:42) YES |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) yes |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) I don't understand what you mean by "if you had done what you promised to do ..." |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) YES I think someone will give up their place in line since you want to throw obstacle in fron of an obvious importan issue to many of us litlle people i presume |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) yes |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) I am following the policy stated on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/ask.asp : |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) Kendell, they can say they have considered it, and it could all be a showcase. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) Eric and Darryl are dead so let's move on |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) Just like the Reconsideration Committee "reconsiders" |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) And then rejects all requests. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:43) Ben, can you please post copies of Eric and Darryl's question here, so we may agree an order |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:44) "In general, the Liaison will select messages in the order of submission for each meeting section." |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:44) It is not in order to discuss in this forum the ordering of the messages to be read. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:44) was that the most arrogant piece of trash you ever read the last "reconsideration" from the same guy guy who is up Toutons &^%&^ |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:44) That would disadvantage those who submitted questions but are choosing not to participate in this discussion forum. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:44) Ben, we will decide what questions are to be posted if you will please post copies here for consensus |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:44) does anyone know what the URL for GA voer registration is? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:44) And it would be contrary to our stated policy, as posted to http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/ask.asp |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:44) Really what about Consensus you guys tout so much |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:45) Ben, you have no right to decide which questions are to be posted |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:45) GA voter registration |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:45) Sorry. I dont recognise that as a directly stated policy. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:45) Ben, it would not disadvantage them. It would advantage us, perhaps. But They will not be disadvantaged. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:45) It is not self identified as a directly aplied policy. It is porly worded. And far too vauge. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:45) I will be calling my Senator again anyway more info for the MAN |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:45) In fact, we might very well be representing them. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:46) ICANN and Consensus only when it benefits them |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:46) Joannam, I don't understand how you can describe the current arrangement as me (or my staff) deciding which questions are to be posed via presentation on the projection screen and reading aloud. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:46) Joe Sims is not on the Board! |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:46) no CIA |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:46) The procedure is first-come-first-served, as stated on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/ask.asp |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:46) Joe Sims is their legal advisor |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:46) You know what is disadvantaging others? ICANN admitting that more applications passed criteria, but were arbitrarily rejected according to whim. THAT was disadvantaging. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:46) I know... and he makes a LOT of money. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) And re your comment, Tom, that "it would not disadvantge them. It would advantage us," I think you're in error on that point. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) Ben give us a break you know dam well the importance of such a question |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) There will, surely, be time for only a limited number of public comments, given the increasing lateness of the hour. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) no kidding |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) just like i said |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) Ben, I dont think there is a logical flaw in my statement. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) Yes but you know it is the most importan question |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) So, if being presented on screen and read out loud (as opposed to "just" being included in the written archive) is important ... |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) Ben...the only justification you have for editing a question is that it is off-topic or profane. Kendall's question is neither. You hav |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) that's their normal game Ben |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) it gives an advantage to whomever "gets" to go first. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:47) I can think of no good way to decide who gets to go first, other than first-come-first-served. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) How about an AtLarge chosen selection commitie to select the formal questions. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) just like i said, there is "no time" |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) So the decision was made -- and is not up for reconsideration, no matter what you folks say in this forum at this time -- that comments would be read in the order received. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) lol. Ben, perhaps you have been with ICANN too long. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) No, Ben, you are wrong...decide who you are working for |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) I will see to it that we follow the stated policy. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) And the stated policy seems to me self-evidently fair: First-come-first-served. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) You guys suck and they say the wheels of justice grind slow but they do grind I will be waitng patiently |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) Surely you wouldn't want us deciding which comments to read. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) Right?!? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) There were a significant number of comments on the ICANN public comment forum in opposition to the VeriSign/NSI agreement. Can the Board give the Internet Community an assurance that these will be given proper consideration and if so, how? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) right |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:48) I can think of several good ways to decide who gets to do something other than 'first come first served'. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) We are the Consensus here and now stop being a DICK about it |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) And since participation in this discussion is optional (and a serious burden in terms of time requirements), I think you can see why it wouldn't be fair for just you folks to vote, to the exclusion of other participants. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) I agree.. we don't want them deciding... but how many will get read? |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) nBen..you are deciding...you agreed two weeks ago that Kendall's suggestion to pr-agree questions was a good one |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) There are, after all, other remote participants besides you 10-15 folks in this forum. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) well lets VOTE |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) 'Ben...your loyalties are clear...they suck |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) I recall that a certain body was created to resolve the problem of asigning a resource which had defaulted to a 'first come first served' maner which was found lacking... |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:49) A vote among you ten to fifteen people would be illegitimate. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) just like ICANN is whats the difference |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) MM, he doesnt care about a vote, so what's the point. It could be unanimous, and still not relevant. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) There have been 115 distinct signups today for the remote participation system. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) I wonder what happened to that body... |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) Why should you fifteen decide which comments get read? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) as I said earlier on... there will be no time for public comment... we'll be lucky if ONE question is asked |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) That seems to be pretty clearly unfair. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) No? |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) I would suggest that instead of giving Ben a hard time about procedure that he can not change at this time, efforts would be better spent in formulating your questions and posting them in the appropriate forums. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) Yeah Ben Divide and Conquer just like the mothership |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) i agree with dassa |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:50) Ben, becaue we are here...just like the people at the MIke...they get to ask a question becaue they are there |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) The "here" that matters is *NOT* this chat room. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) there is logic in what Joanna says |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) It's the "official" discussion comment submission space. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) Please review the introductory message to this forum: ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) first come first served is about as fair as it gets, ben is right. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) These friggin people make a mountain out of a molehill I bet if I had to take a piss there wouldf be a procedure were I'd wind up wetting myself |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) What is official is made official by the officials. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) Ben is just saying that there are otehrs - not just those of us in this room |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) ""OFFICIAL" COMMENTS: You should be aware that comments made here may not be read by meeting participants in Melbourne. Submit "official" questions and comments via the ASK & COMMENT area in the remote participation system. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) I sugest that someone form some kind of informal clearing house for IcannAtLarge members to discuss questions to propose at these meetings. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) We are the Internet Ben if you havent noticed |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) Anyone want to Volenteer to do that ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) Good idea Dassa... but there is not a public place where we can see the pending questions waiting to be asked and pick the best one. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:51) Perhaps they should consider this room more seriously in the future as another official forum. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) Dassa...Sotiris, by that logic, the NC could sign up and submit 10000 questions...where |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) The questions submitted via the official comments submission form are immediately visible via http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) I guess they learn it from Touton "you are not here to participate" |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) which is, of course, linked from the main Broadcast page at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/broadcast.asp |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) Joanna, look at the questions... they're not bad.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) even your volunteering is there |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) in the "How to Read" section under "Real-Time Comments" |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) Verisign funding ICANN until they can put them under... then Verisign takes voer |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) There is a form available for question submission, you may also raise the issues you want in the various mailing lists or directly to the partied involved. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) Sorry Ben, I did' |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:52) It's not the case, Kendall, that "there is not a public place where we can see the pending questions." |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:53) Really though it doeant matter anyway as they will do what they want in the end |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:53) I didn't read that |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:53) My apologies. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:53) F*&^&kn Cyber oppression |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:53) How are we to give feedback on which questions we would like to be asked ? |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:54) Is there a moderation system ? |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:54) let's vote on which to submit |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:54) There were an extremely high number of comments on the ICANN forum against |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:54) Ben I thought you were different ,DAMM |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:54) (And I dont want to see this end up like Slashdot!) |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:54) when icann wants our opinion they will give it to us!!! |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:54) Let them try to take .org this is what it will take to dismantle this corrupt org |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:54) just like always |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:55) They should just create a restricted .npo for official non-profit entities. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:55) Though different countries define "non-profit" differently. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:55) Different criteria |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:55) Kendall's question: There were a significant number of comments on the ICANN public comment forum in opposition to |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:55) they should stay out of it and let the market take over ... |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:55) forget it - they cannot get away with it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) they will try |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) watch |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) jess, I do believe in restricted TLDs, but not in making a TLD restricted, retroactively. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) They encouraged people to register in .org and now they have the audacity to take it away I think not |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) .edu, .gov, .musuem, etc. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) the ball has been tossed off the glacier now ... expect a snowball before long |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) like WIPO and their ridiculous proposition for geographic indication domains!!! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) but it is probably just a reverse-psychology ploy to increase short-term interest in .org |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) and their profits in the .org before the new TLDs hit |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) Picking a fight with Millions will be their undoing I promise you that |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) they already created a tld for non profit organizations, but they got money hungry. so what is the point of creating a new one, and there is certainly no point in reverting the old one |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:56) When NSI stops making money from the registry... the special treatment will end. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:57) They should be more concerned about abuses in the ccTLDs |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:57) Doubt they can do anything with .org or .net as far as domain owners go |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:57) The outcry has just begun wait until people really find out |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:57) nope they cant |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:57) those TLDs are being branded according to lies. .TV is not intended for "Television" |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:57) NSI is switching their business (or SAIC is) to provide technical services to all the .coms |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:58) As long as NSI is losing .org.. they might as well gut it first! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:58) you hear that? DOC has no role???? |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:58) naaa too many snakes in the legal barrel for .org |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:58) "Assuming the ICANN Board approves them" |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:58) less they wanna pay fair market value they can have um all back |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:58) It won't happen whenthe mom and pops of the world find out and the pTA MEETINGS START WATCH OUT Lol |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:59) I want them to do it as this will be their undoing but they are to arrogant to realize it |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:59) fee caps removed ? |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:59) or let nsi buy them back at market value |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:59) I wonder if there are way to submit petitions to these meetings. That could probably be more eficcent than the curent system. |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 00:59) Sm ... doesn't work that way |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) "time pressure" |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) John waste of time it's all window dressing Call you Congressmen |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) well they released the restriction |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) they caused the problem |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) There were a significant number of comments on the ICANN public comment forum in opposition to the VeriSign/NSI agreement. Can the Board give the Internet Community an assurance that these will be given proper consideration and if so, how? |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) SAIC the 3rd largest government contractor with most contracts coming from the DOC and referred by NSF |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) I dont have a Congressman. |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) use mine |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) Kendall, same answer as before: Their "consideration" would only be window dressing |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:00) We have spoken to teo US Senators |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) Nah, I dont know what you've been doing with it. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) Two |
| <sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) drinking in south boston |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) SAIC owns controls Verisign .. which owns NSOL |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) greement and the Image Online Design application which was rejected in November 2000? |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) Before the spinoff SAIC owned NSI 100% |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) Unfortunatly not many goverment that are not America have a lot of control over ICANN... Odd that, for an international organisation... |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) SAIC sold it it to Verisign but the sppoks are still in the shadows |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:01) spooks |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:02) John, I am happy to run any Petition on http://www.internestakeholders.com. e |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:02) Verisign/NSI is asking for a combined registry/Registrar Agreement. In this respect, what is the difference between the Verisign/NSI Agreement and the Image Online Design application which was rejected in November 2000? |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:02) didn't sell all of it MM .. they own 20% .. 19.7% to be exact |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:02) good question a fair one that won't be answered try again |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:02) http://www.internetstakeholders.com send me your petition |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:02) and 20% of stock in a voting trust |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:03) 9 questions received in order ...... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:03) see "out of time" |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:03) Uh huh I am to busy looking up ICANN' s ass I never bothered with that |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:03) Hmmm, interesting pasttime, MM |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:04) Eric Dierker.... Please insist that the chair respecxt multilingualism and slow ddown and use appropriate terms. This is simply a matter of respecy |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:04) Yeah they have to compete now and are crying about it They want a monopoly what a F&*^n joke |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:04) The best question I can think of is, "Could the board clearly state, as an international body, exactly who they are acountable to?" |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:04) Believe me Tom it's a shitty job |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:05) ha |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:05) John: The GAC (Governement Advisory Committee) the US Govt that is. |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:05) JohnBarberio: This is the NC, not the ICANN board. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:05) Everyone should be checking out the new http://www.ICANNwatch.org way cool |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:05) Darryl.....Does the NC have any position on expanding the UDRP to include other issues beside trademark ones It would appear that for something that is named a Unifd a Uniform Disputre Resolution Policy to be |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:06) Dassa: I think we've already established, its far too late to get a question asked at this meeting. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:06) limited to only one form of dispute is not what the name suggests. Shouldn't the UDRP be expanded to cover all domain name disputes? |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:06) They were hoping to divest for billions which is a joke |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:06) All of the Questions are online here: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:07) Sotiris.... There are many people with privacy concerns regarding the selling of WHOIS data by VERISIGN |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:07) Thety can divest who will buy it I wonder ' |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:07) anyone who wopuld spend what they want will go bankrupt |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:07) ?NSI to commercial entities. Is there any official DNSO position as regards the privcate information being sold to NSI? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:08) It needs to go to the DNSO before the Board decides on this major policy change! |
| <MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:09) nite all - see ya tomorrow :-) |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:09) Kendall: Maybe I should emphasis that 'international' bit a little more ? ;) |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:09) they have Investment bankers ? whoa |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:09) Check the White Paper "Statement of Policy" to find the part where it is prohibited! |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:09) 19 people and their cronies will eventually have the cyberspace sayso over billions of people, it will even surpass China in it's scope |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:09) wow, 5 "and"'s |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:10) Juduth Oppeheimer...YJPark makes a good point. Verisign and the new registries have an inherent conflict of interest in gauging the time |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:10) John: I don't agree with it either. I am steaming mad about it. I pay taxes and live in the US but, I get no say in what happens either! |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:10) Started counting the 'and's instead of the 'interims' now ? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:10) Yeah, but when ICANN asks for the right to develop nuclear warheads, I will TRULY begin to worry. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:10) Joanna, i don't think they're going to be reading Eric dierker's comment.. it will be anchronistic by that point... not to mention its illegibility |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:11) Until the world gets to elect the whole board is there even a glimpse of hope of democracy |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:11) timeframe for introducing more TLDs, ie, marketshare competition to their own business. While perhaps not evaluating their own success, existing registries could easily say "proof of concept" needs "more time"... |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:11) Second question I'd like to see then, "How does ICANN provide grounds for its remit as an International body?" |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:12) The white paper she talks about is here: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/6_5_98dns.htm |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:12) Stick to the white paper they are breaking their promise just like amending their bylaws and not electing 9 directors |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:12) Joanna Lane...I'd like to volunteer for the interim committee for an individual's constituencymitt |
| <tecks> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:13) j |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:13) Kendall Dawson.....Why aren't the travel expenses for the GA Chair included in the bidget? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:13) Search for "3. Separation of Name and Number Authority. " |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:13) when they changed their bylaws about elections they took the heart and soul out of the white paper anything they do after the fact is meaningless to the white paper |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:13) What time is this meeting over today (local time)? |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:14) 4 I think .. their time |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:14) Why is Sims their he isn't even with ICANN |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:14) its already 5:15 over there. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:14) ICANN is their lawyer |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:14) exactly ... neither is Touton.. they are with JRDP |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:15) Kendall Dawson....Verisign/NSI Contract is asking for a combined registry/registrar agreement. In this respect, what is the difference between the Verisign/NSI Agreement and the Image Online Design application which was rejeceted in Nov 2000 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:15) woops Sims is their lawyer |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:15) Touton is no longer with JDRP but Sims is |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:15) There were a significant number of comments on the ICANN public comment forum in opposition to the VeriSign/NSI agreement. Can the Board give the Internet Community an assurance that these will be given proper consideration and if so, how? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:15) Hey, is this a bot? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:16) no sorry.. she was talking about it. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:16) Determine proper consideration |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:16) lol |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:16) This is all so sad really, A dictatorship for the world what an example |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:17) YJ Park for NC Chairmain! |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:17) lol JB |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:17) oops chairwoman that is |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:17) go YJ! |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:17) Nah, Dictatorship implies some guiding plan, and a focused intent... |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:17) When is the second round, is my question....in TLD applications, and how the heck can we make it happen sooner? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:17) bravo YJ! |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:17) KendaKendall Dawson....Most people consider RACE...the Row-basede ASCII-Compatibel Ensoding standrad, a kludge for using ASCII to encode non-latin characyers. What about all of the Asian markets that aren't being served by this ASCII-only system? Wouldn't it be better to restructure the DNS in a way that would actually meet the needs of a global linguistic environment? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:18) Kendall, your question is first in line. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:18) how so? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:19) Joe Sims "state of the world" address |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:19) Kendall Dawson- There were a umber of comments on the ICANN public comments forum in opposition to the Veuisign/NSI agreement. Can the board give the Internet Community an assurance that these will be given proper consideration and if so, how? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:19) check it out Kendall: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:20) I think it goes from bottom to top Sotiris |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:20) (check the time stamps) |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:20) OK...now if we're on topic, I guess that means Kendall Dawson's question or YJ's...I vote for Kendalls |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:20) Er... Lets see, If I belive my policy to be right, never the less, the *true* policy is what I thought a couple of years ago. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:21) Or rather, what I wrote down a couple of years ago... |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:21) Joe Sims is making this up as he goes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:21) he can |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:21) he's a smooth lawyer |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:21) yep |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:22) Except it is in tehre ... it's referred to in their S1 statement when they went public and again in hte Verisign documents |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:22) the modification of .org is a MAJOR policy change Roger! |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:22) This is the laywer tactic of 'Bluster'. Making up stuff that is internaly consistant, agrees with your point of view, yet has little basis in fact. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:22) It is an outrageous one |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:22) It was in because of the Anti-trust suit against them |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:23) 'Bottom line Everone is barking up the wrong tree this route will never effect change I mean if Karl Auerbach is effectively shut out then that should tell you something CALL CONGRESS that is the real only hope |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:24) need a test case filed legally ... in Texas |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:24) There was chatter on the ICANN public comment board of censorship of posts. I wonder how true that all is. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:24) I guess the bits move differently in .org when it is setr up for a different use |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:24) The removal of posts |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:25) ddoubt they could make it retro MM |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:25) I wouldn't doubt it Tom. I've seen it happen before.... items that were "marked for deletion" and had links removed. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:25) Yes YJ Park! |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:25) Jess, they can say that they are just enforcing the existing policy. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:25) Which was never more than a guideline |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:26) I know ... but once accepted - can't be changed |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:26) how true |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:26) Let them do it then they will be history |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:26) plus the fact that they sold the .org and .net as fast as they could |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:26) doubt they are that dumb MM |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:26) They have yet to explain which definition of "non-profit" registrants must comply with. DIfferent countries have different criteria |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:27) it's not stupidity it's arrogance |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:27) According to Milton Mueller: "Also, the idea that the Board will act on April 1 was revealed to be nothing more than "advice" that was given to the Board by Sims." |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:27) mine is definitely non=profit :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:27) LOL |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:27) put him on the spot!2 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:27) shot-term memory disorder/ |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:28) pot-smoker? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:28) VeriSign is backpeddling so fast they'll pass themselves in a week! |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:28) I'm also woried for some people in positions where companies who they 'bought' domains from who later withdrew access but kept the domains. Many of them have had to move to .net or .org because of this. This is a problem caused by poor control, which is going to be made worse by poor control. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:28) He is so bald I can see what he's thinking |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:28) how did this Martinez end up there ? |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:28) First ICANN makes true commercial TLDs artifically scarce, and the registries push the multiple registrations of domains in multiple TLDs, and then they talk about punishing those who registered .org. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:28) You just can't make a TLD restricted, retroactively. |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:29) They need a .npo then. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:29) true Tom |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:29) ICANN didn't bitch about it before .. nor NSI ... nor DOC ... so can't be retro |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:30) How many registrants are there in .org? How many developed? Think of the lawsuits. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:30) I like this guy. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:30) How could they even compensate for time and money invested by those in .org It will be a legal noose to ICANN they will bite off more then they can chew |
| <TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:30) Against one entity: ICANN |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:30) NSI set it up so they could spinoff .. or SAIC did |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:30) They "encouraged" it |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:31) It's a slam dunk legal victory for .org holders watch |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:31) I think that decisions like this should be postponed well until they have been able to organise themselves. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:31) Damm let me speak I can at least get out 3 or 4 words |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:32) :) read the verisign SEC reports |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:32) Oh, look, Dawn just broke here... I cant belive I spent tonight folowing this... Adminstrative train wreck. |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:33) Im outta here all it's been real! I am glad I could be a real pain in the ass to the nazi icann that i hope burns in hell. Good night Ben |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:34) later o wise one :) |
| <MM> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:34) lol |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:34) bye MM |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:34) hi Len |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:34) see ya mm |
| <jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:35) <---------about to go to sleep at the keyboard ! past my bedtime |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:35) me2 |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:37) According to Milton Mueller: "...the idea that the Board will act on April 1 was revealed to be nothing more than "advice" that was given to the Board by Sims." |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:37) Back, had to duck away for a bit. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:38) who was that yelling in the background? |
| <LenLindon> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:38) Hello. Anyone got an url for the ICANN contract clause re not having tlds on non-USG roots? Or the clause about using USG root solely? Need it for a document. Now if possible. Thanks |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:39) Maybe this: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/ ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:41) good question... what point is there having a DNSO if they have no power to make change? |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:45) Sorry, ISP dropped me off, too long a session. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:46) Send in the clowns... |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:46) HEHEHE |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:46) ha |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:47) lets throw a tent over this circus |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:47) Like Milton Meuller said: "...the idea that the Board will act on April 1 was revealed to be nothing more than "advice" that was given to the Board by Sims." |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:47) They are trying to add pressure to ram this thing through as quick as possible |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:47) louis is pushing for some reason - why? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:48) reason 1: $$$$ reason 2: $$$$ reason 3: $$$$ |
| <GiorgioViali> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:50) hi |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:51) VeriSign would not "find them suitable" ... forget about the rest of the world. |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:51) hi Giorgio |
| <GiorgioViali> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:51) Good morning... In italy now is 8 AM :-) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:51) In Eastern USA it is 2 am |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:51) bionjourno Giorgio |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:51) incredible |
| <GiorgioViali> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:52) May anyone tell me something about discussion..., please |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:52) Louis Touton folks! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:52) still online? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:52) maybe lost connectivity here? |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:52) looks ok. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:52) LOK here Ben |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:52) The Names Council is discussing the NSI / VeriSign agreement Giorgio |
| <LenLindon> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:53) Sorry. Connection mysteriously failed. Did anyone provide an url to my query? info@humanrights.com.au if this connection gets cut again |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:53) Giorgio, Louis Touton is immitating a roadblock |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:53) lol gene |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:53) The NC agreed to not rush the deal, then Louis Touton stood up and started pushing the deal to try to rush it as quickly as possible |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) yes kendall |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) we lost partial connectivity. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) i think we're arguing about April 1st or 10th |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) some router somewhere must have hiccuped. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) are invesetigating. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) it's been continuous in ohio, ben |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) not here Ben |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) Been alright here |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) Louis is pushing to try to make it April 1st (to make VeriSign happy) and the NC is recommending more time to make the rest of the world happy |
| <GiorgioViali> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:54) Is there Meuller? |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:55) what about input from DNSO before the NC has its teleconference? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:55) no, but in an email to the General Assembly mailing list earlier he revealed that the April 1st deadline is a farce created by Joe Sims. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) Giorgio, you mean milton mueller? - no |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) I thought the existing agreement runs out may 1st? |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) ...or andy mueller-m |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) There is not realy pressure.. they can extend the deal if they want to. |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) they have to either extend existing agreement or make new one |
| <GiorgioViali> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) Andy Mueller? |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) excatly kendall |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) not at this meeting from what i've seen |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:56) I suggest extending it until they can make a real decision. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:57) i agree |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:57) "There is not an alternative" = BS |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:57) everybody sugests extending it, even the DoC from what I can gather |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:57) Touton is full of s__t |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:57) see no time for public comment |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:57) they framed the decision so a non -decision is a decision |
| <GiorgioViali> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:57) Is there Andy Mueller? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:58) ICANN plan B: "let's postpone it till the next meeting" |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:58) Giorgio, Andy is not at this meeting from what I have seen |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:58) was there a decision@ |
| <GiorgioViali> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:58) Next meeting? When? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:58) I'll be damned... there's no time for the public comment period is there? surprise, surprise! |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:58) No, Giorgio... I haven't seen him. I thought you were referring to to Milton Meuller. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:59) YEAH!!!!!! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:59) AGAIN, no time for public comment |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:59) "My apologies we don't have time for public comment" that is a new favorite quote for me. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 01:59) Maybe they should make that the Slogan for ICANN. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:00) was i rgiht or what? I said it would happen right at the begining! |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:00) "ICANN - we don't have time for public comment" |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:00) Giorgio the schedule is here: http://www.icann.org/melbourne/index.html#schedule |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:00) what a crck of s--t! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:00) crock |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:00) Meetings are completed for the day. They will resume at 8:45 tomorrow morning. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) Okay, quick vote for you all... |
| <JoannaLane> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) how can ICANN claim to be upholding the ylaws when they so blatantly disregard public comment |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) shoot |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) no time |
| <TroyBlackwell> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) hanging |
| <Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) Obviously they need to allow more time for the meetings or to limit the agenda. It may be something to bring up within the constituencies also, that the NC makes sure there is always a time slot devoted to public comment. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) All those in favour of me writing an 'ICANN Meeting - The Drinking Game' ? |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) ;) |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) The ICANN Public Forum is tomorrow? |
| <KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:01) Everytime Louis Touton lies... drink. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:02) 8:45 am local time. |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:02) use worldclock.com to convert to your time zone. |
| <JohnBarberio> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:02) Maybe someone should point out the ages old tradition of using the time at the *begining* of the next meeting to finish 'old buisness' |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:02) no time for public comment is a blatant dismissal of any responsibility to public concerns! |
| <BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 02:02) or see email i'll send out shortly to all folks who provided email addresses at signin, plus all remote participation preregistrants. |
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