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| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 11:45) Folks, the meeting is beginning at this time. |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 11:55) The text of Kenji Kosaka'a welcome keynote is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/KosakaSpeech.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:20) so what kind of crap are they hashing over today? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:20) are they hung over from yesterday's excesses |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:20) in autority |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:20) authrotiy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:20) damn |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:22) Steve Bellovin's keynote address is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/bellovin-keynote.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:47) what's being discussed now? I have no audio |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:48) What's ICANN's not responsible for. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 12:49) (what, not what's) |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:07) Jun Murai's presentation on Root Name Server Security is not yet available online. I will notify you as soon as it is available. |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:14) Paul Vixie's Presentation on Root Name Server Security is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/vixie.html |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:14) and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:30) Mark Kosters' presentation on Root Name Server Security is not yet available online. I will notify you as soon as it is available. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:32) hello boys and gals |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:33) hey joe |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:33) hi Gary |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:41) Lars-Johan Liman's presentation on Root Name Server Security is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/liman.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 13:43) "A really really beefy laptop with Linux"? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:15) I hope there will be no bogus TLDA or new.net presentations today... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:15) both are destined for the rubbish heap of the Internet.. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:20) How long is the break for? |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:20) Judith, the break is until 11:30 pacific time. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:37) leah, you'll be happy to know that my neulevel sotiris.biz is now resolving. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:37) I look forward to collision-free service |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:38) unless someone should register it in the original .biz registry |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:38) how popular a name is it? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:39) the only .biz address is the neulevel address I'm afraid.. whatever you are referring to as "original" is not legitimate. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:39) of course it is |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:39) well, it's pretty popular |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:39) it's taken in .com, .net, .org, info, etc |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:39) it' s not taken in .etc :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:39) and is a common name among greeks |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:40) I don't think we have too many registrants from Greece at this point, but who knows what the future holds |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:40) the future for PacRoot and the TLDA is the rubbish heap of the Internet. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:41) same with ARNI's .biz |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:41) and new.net |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:41) your new friends |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:42) a very diplomatic statement for the archives, sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:42) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:42) It is isn't it? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:43) make sure to nclude my regards in your report leah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:45) joanna |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:46) we were just chatting about the non-future of the TLDA and related nonsense |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:46) Leah is preparing a report on my "diplomatic" approach to her bogus 'registry' operation |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:47) and their pals over at new.net |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:47) care to comment jo? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:48) new.net is a dns overlay. it doesn't break anything. and it's offtopic |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:49) Edward Lewis's presentation on DNS security is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/lewis.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:49) new.net is confusing to the users and therefore a threat to the stability of the Internet |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:49) In addition, the earlier presentation of Jun Murai is now available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/murai.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:50) so arrest idealab? |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:50) Also in addition, the earlier presentation of Mark Kosters is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/kosters.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:50) no.. they will disappear soo |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:50) soon |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:50) on their own |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:50) from lak of interest |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:50) lack |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:51) most users of the Internet will not put much faith in domains that are not resolvable to 98% of the World Wide Web |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:51) make that 99% |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:52) new.net is flash in the pan |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:52) Becca/Ben, the links to presentations in the scribe's notes are error 404 as they lack /pres/ subdirectory |
| <RonAndruff> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:53) Most people don't know that new.net is not 99% resolvable... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:53) well, they soon find out if they are duped |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:53) :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:53) and then they're not happy |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:53) Thanks Gary. The links on given in the chat and off the agenda should work properly. The Scribe's notes will be correct. |
| <RonAndruff> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:54) Sadly... but the confusion (read: damage) is already done |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:54) thedamage will go away |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:54) they will run out of money |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:54) Olaf Kolkman's presentation on DNSsec is availbale at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/kolkman.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:54) excite@home has already folded |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:54) the rest will buckle as well |
| <RonAndruff> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:54) From your lips to God's ears... ;o) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:55) amen |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:55) right Leah? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 14:56) Becca, yup. scribe link works thx. |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:03) David Conrad's presentation on the Current State of the DNS is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/conrad.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:09) The interesting thing here is that we at pccf did all of this security work years ago - identifying and trying to fix correupt BIND dns servers. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:09) it's good to see the boys (conrad and vixie) are getting a clue |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:24) I can load it |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:28) true - what that chap said - they are being to generous in their avoidance of responsibility for the buggy bind dns software |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:32) i just asked the following question |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:32) . |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:32) One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are available to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:32) the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:32) to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:33) and privacy. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:33) . |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:33) if they fail to address my question I shall be contacting the DOC |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:33) and making issue |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:48) My, it's quiet in here. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:48) it's one of those days |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:48) Has ICANN finally succeeded in putting the Internet user to sleep? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:48) a waking coma |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:48) Greetings...Joe, isn't it? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:48) That is, you're Joe, right? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:49) yes Tom - tis me :) or a reasonable facsimile :) |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:49) Ahh |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:49) hi Tom! |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:49) It's an e-Joe. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:49) Hi Joanna. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:49) PM with me. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:50) what is PM (private message)??? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:50) si |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:50) : ) |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:50) We're talking about you guys here in the room. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:50) ; ) |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:50) you wanna PM with me or Joanna - ??? she's pretty - i'm not - maybe consideration |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:50) lol |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:51) Nah, Joe, I really don't know you. Just the name. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:51) How many people are in the room, Tom? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:51) You're .GOD, right. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:51) yes .GOD and .SATAN http://www.dot-god.com/ |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:51) In this room...looks like about 13 |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:51) we also run .ICANN under contract - but not yet ready for prime time |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:51) Joe, what precisely differentiates .god and .satan? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:52) heh |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:52) hold on |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:52) see this Tom http://www.dot-god.com/information/history.html |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:52) You're an alternate root, man. You know how hated you are. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:52) Even though these roots have been around since BEFORE ICANN. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:52) heh |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:53) hate - love - 1 - 0 - it's all the same to me |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:53) (no offense, Han, ol' boy) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:53) Stuart sends everyone to lunch just when it starts getting good. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:53) no offense taken |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:53) lol, not you. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:53) that was the goal |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:54) God, Hans Kraaijenbrink is evil. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:54) Can I register Kraaijenbrink.SATAN? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:54) heh |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:55) yes - go ahead. but why bother. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:55) your just grandizing him to e level not desearved |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:55) si |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:55) by the way Tom - I asked a question - which of course never got asked - but it's an important question |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) if you can get someone to address it i would appreciate |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) here it is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) available to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) .. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) and privavcy |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:56) i forgot to include the privacy issues related to redirecting root.s |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:57) explain that Joe |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:57) Heh. Get the terrorists. You won't likely find me agreeing with you, joe. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:57) well - all you do is insert a record. a root can be instructed to give different information to a specific ip - therefore you can redirect an entire country - isp - or a single IP address to a proxy - i.e. like carnivor |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:57) I need more than abstractions about "privacy." Let them look at my stupid email. Just catch me some terrorists. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:58) let's face it. With the 14 trillion emails a day, do you think it is likely they will read yours? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:58) then you capture all the data and analyse it - etc |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:58) i'm not concerned for myself |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:58) i allow government to access what I allow them to access |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:58) who then? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:59) But if you allow them to access something, chances are it is clean. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:59) circular reasoning. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:59) everyone else who is by default vulnerable - with the 80% market share the US root have thats over 200 million users |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 15:59) no - the issue is using a root to intercept trafic for covert operations. that can be done today |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:00) please explain |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:00) well - lets say the U.S. government wants to monitor all traffic from IRAN |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:00) what they would do is create an ACL (access control list) contain all the IP address blocks used by iran |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:01) then thos addresses would be given incorrect information |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:01) so if you were in IRAN and surfing yahoo - you queries could be redirected to a carnivor proxy |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:01) sounds fine by me, joe. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:01) and that proxy would capture your entire session data |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:02) i think your an exception Tom - i don't think the people in iran would accept that. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:02) no would most governments world wide |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:02) neither would any other country |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:02) Well, lots of people dont accept lots of things. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:02) not if their citizens realized it |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:02) problem is no one knows it can be done. I myself have redirected root traffic of an alternate once - but it was to close down the root not monitor it |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:03) in the process my prixies capture credit card numbers - passwords usernames etc etc etc. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:03) I'm more concerned with someone acquiring a nuclear bomb or smallpox than I am concerned that someone is reading useless email. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:03) so the issue is very real - and needs to be addressed |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:03) Tom, would youlike to see all your information captured by government? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:03) But that's a little quirk I have. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:04) Leah, my information is pretty useless. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:04) i personally hope icann avoids the question - makes my job a whole lot easier |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:04) every conversation, purchase transactions, banking? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:04) everything |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:04) It comes down to the cliche, "I have nothing to hide." |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:04) thats not the issue - either we support privacy - or we support a police state without privacy |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:04) Tom, how do you know what the information would be used for? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) Anyone can do it |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) Well, I would expect provisions in the law. |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) Your identity Tom?...How about Joe steals it |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) That's something else. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) Joe is not the gov't look to catch terrorists. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) That's a joke, Tom. Law has no guarantees of being enforcable |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) there are non - a nation at war easily justifies abuses of personal privacy - and this temptation is just too much for the US government to handle in my opinion |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) Sorry, I just don't panic about the sky falling, is all. There are different levels. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:05) especially on the net |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:06) don't expect privacy in the USA, sorry |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:06) Sorry, you're asking me to be afraid, and I am not overly afraid. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:06) i know Joanna - thats why i'm looking forward to the festivities after this meeting. |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:06) are you there Joe? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) lol Osama |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) fear is irrelevant - the only issue is - do we believe in privacy or not. privacy is not an issue of degrees of gray - it's very black and white |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) The problem is that when you enforce things like carnivore, you then take innovation out of the picture as well |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) yes Joana - am here |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) Privacy is not ensure 100 percent of the time. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) no - sorry - misunderstood your question |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) is the video down? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) Even under current law |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:07) no vide is up osama |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:08) what's the atmosphere? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:08) I need to reboot this wincrap machine. brb |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:09) anyway - have to depart for a few minutes - my sushi boy is here |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:09) ah... the realplayer is working much better than the windows media... very good |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:11) on Iraq Satellite TV, which can be accessed courtesy of US Registrars, at uruklink.net and at iraqtv.ws, the windows media works better |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:12) Thankfully, ICANN does not enforce US trade regulations, so one can watch all of my broadcasts on the web, courtesy of ICANN-accredited service providers, even though they won't put me on US TV |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:12) Is everyone out to lunch? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:12) I wrote an article about that Osama, then my site went down - |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:13) most of the time |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:13) Yes, be sure to note that Saddam Hussein's SCIS has changed registrars |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:13) of course were at lunch - the sushi boy is here |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:13) The Iraqi SCIS has moved uruklink.net from register.com to Go Daddy, an Arizona company |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:14) This change was made just before register.com hosted congressman Behrman at the ICANN meeting |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:14) because they didn't want to be doing business with Iraq while hosting the congressman |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:15) but Go Daddy enjoys its trade with the Iraqi government |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:15) And I get to be on TV at iraqtv.ws |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:16) And, they are going to give me a banner ad at www.hizbollah.org which is registered to the hizbollah, and which is hosted at an IP address in Virginia |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:17) Have we made much progress against terrorists today? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:18) "ICANN is not a legal enforcement organization" Stuart Lynn |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:18) Is a trademark policy "legal enforcement"? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:19) aka...doesn't seem worried about creating a nice stable internet to further terrorist aims |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:19) Thank goodness they don't have a terrorism policy, or I wouldn't get to use fronts like somalirefreshment.com , which is an al barakaat company, or somaliinternet.com |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:19) Nothing about ICANN is legal enforcement. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:20) except UDRP which supersedes law |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:20) Yes, UDRP is above the U.S. Constitution |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:20) yes, well, trademark infringement is dangerous |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:20) but when it all goes wrong, ICANN is not to blame, because its all "proof of concept" |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:21) who said anything about TM infringement? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:21) UDRP goes waaaayyy beyond tm law |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:21) I love it when WIPO says, "A person visiting MicrosoftSucks.com might think they are visiting Microsoft.com" -- it amazes me. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:22) Why doesnt WIPO just come out and admit it: "We're giving the generic domain to the complaintant because we have the power to and we are biased towards them. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:22) Like a guy named John Ford can't use ford.<tld> |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:22) Remind me to slap Hans Kraaijenbrink in the face when he comes back to the room, for being a board member who doesnt speak up against such abuse. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:23) Oh, but I forget, it's Darth Kraaijenbrink. |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:23) Well, we have taleban.com which NSI is holding in its grace period for Mr. Mujahib, an Afghan fugitive in the US, to renew. Taleban is our trademark, and others shouldn't be allowed to use it. ICANN makes sure that Taleban name is not tarnished by evildoers and infidels |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:23) naw, he'll defend ICANN's duplicating TLDs instead |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:23) Yep. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:24) Because he hates any company that has initiative with TLDs even before ICANN's ivory towers were erected. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:24) and then complain when email goes to the wrong person |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:24) We also have morojihad.com , which is registered by Abu Nidal. Having UDRP makes sure that only the Moro Jihad group in Phllipines can use its name |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:24) ICANN is not interested in who its registrars sell domains to |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:25) So anyone flying across country any time soon? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:25) : ( |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:25) Although I think we should do something about af.mil I find it very confusing that af.mil is now bombing mil.af |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:25) I think NYC has had enough tragedy for the year. |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:25) maybe the FBI need to know where to hack, so its a public service |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:25) interesting thing, though. There are registrars outside the US who have no restrictions in selling to countries the US has banned... |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:25) Can we use UDRP on domains in .mil ? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:25) but the registries are US based... |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:26) so is it legal for the non US registrars to register domains that are going to the US registries? |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:26) None of the other TLDs can use country code, but mil gets to cybersquat on af |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:26) I wonder when ICANN will get around to Round 2. Sadly, they use any excuse to slow the pace. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:26) Now the concern for security is a farce |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:27) No, we must make sure that hizbollah.org domain name is secure |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:27) ICANN can only control what is in their own framework |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:27) I REALLY think ICANN changed their agenda to Security, to avoid discussion on the abysmal failings of NeuLevel and Afilias |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:27) They used it as an excuse to avoid any of the controversial topics |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:28) yep |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:28) other countries have better intelligence, I would stick with VeriSign, it never checks it's whois for accuracy |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:28) When is lunch over, I have to move to another cave soon |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:28) lol |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:28) another 15 minutes or so |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:28) thanks you |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:28) Osama, you're sad, man. |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:28) No, I am very happy that ICANN will make my domain names secure |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:29) not to mention registrar transfers, ALSC, UDRP, .ORG, IDNO..... |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:29) Rotten punk Berryhill made register.com dump uruklink.net, and they had to move the domain |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:29) Let's all keep in mind that ICANN is a US corporation that contracts with others... |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:30) and has no other authority in the world |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:30) http://www.hightimes.com/Magazine/2001/2001_08/article1.html - hey your warning me - don't worry - i have backups of myself - but thanks anyways Gary |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:31) Joe, 'fess up. How many .GOD and .SATAN registrations are there? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:32) <yawn> |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:32) Has anyone noticed how low attendance is? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:34) It is a meeting that is of interest to the gov't, but the meeting offers nothing of interest to any constituency group |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:34) If its all about security. |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:34) how does a person get the main window back after sa M? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:34) Joanna, huh? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:34) you mean an IM? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:34) you lose the window, right? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:34) you should be using MIRC, Joanna |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:34) java did that yesterday with me |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:35) I jumped into java with Leah's assistance |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:35) Osama, figure it out. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:35) : ) |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:35) I am using IRC, it's not me stuck in a cave...lol |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:35) do not send me private comments.... infidel Java software kicks me out of main discussion area when I get private message |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:35) hehe |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:36) IM Terrorism |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:36) well you're an easy capture Osama |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:36) not funny.... you have better luck finding waldo |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:36) So, I heard the women of Kabul started taking their veils off and the men started getting shaves since the Taliban ran |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:36) Interesting. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:36) sounds rather like a road runner cartoon |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:37) no, it was the other way aroun... the men took off veils and the women shaved their beards.... why you think we cover them anyway? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:37) LOL |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:37) You're certainly the EVIL one |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:37) You just stay away from our goats |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:37) how many - who knows - do a zone tranfer and look |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:38) isn't it about 8,000, joe? |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:38) ah... baptista is here... the goats are nervous |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:38) it's more then that now - but not sure. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:39) I need to find time to implement youcann.god :) |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:39) try www.baptista.god - it's up and running |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:39) Hans, when is WIPO going to do something about the impropriety demonstrated by UDRP abuse? Or does that constituency mesmerize ICANN so very much? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:40) Don't worry. I don't expect a real answer. Rest easy. |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:40) Do not pester Hans with direct off-topic loaded questions |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:40) You mean the legitimate questions that have long-demanded address? |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:40) The issue is security of my domains at hizbollah.org morojihad.com and uruklink.net |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:40) Joanna, check for private message. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:40) lol |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:40) those are the ones that will be avoided at all costs |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:41) People have challenged these domain names, and I want to make sure that the domain names owned by my organizations remain secure |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:41) "Off-topic questions" = "Questions we don't want to be cornered into answering and committing to" |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:41) how does one send private message in irc - people keep sening me private message but don't know howto reply |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:41) what client are you using Joe? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:42) BitchX |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:42) on a unix box |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:42) I haven't used that one, sorry |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:42) with no /help function |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:42) UDRP "abuse" is a small percentage of cases.. on balance, most cases are simple cybersquatters. UDRP very cheap and needs to be extended to .mil, so that we can end confusion between af.mil (us air force) and mil.af (afghan military) |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:42) lol |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) believe me, that is painful confusion, and I can't sleep with all the noise over my cave |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) use your wincrash box and MIRC |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) WIPO can't WAIT until it gets a generic to give to a complaintant. It sends a signal to the rest of the world that it's open season on legitimate domain holders. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) mil.af does not exists |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) ipip:~# dig mil.af. any |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) ; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> mil.af. any |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) ;; res options: init re |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) curs defnam dnsrch |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) ;; got answer: |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:43) ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 4 |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:44) yeah... you are telling me, they even deserted the domain name |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:44) mil.af quit about 24 hours ago |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:44) Hans, I notice you don't talk in here? Any reason? I would imagine that a person joins a chatroom....to chat. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:44) not open season at dot.god - a domain is forever |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:44) leave him alone, he is gracious enough at least to monitor |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:44) lol |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:44) there you go |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:44) bye, hans |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:45) got it Judith |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:45) Ken Silva's presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/silva.html and is linked off the agneda for this meeting. |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:45) brb |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:45) being consistently combative does not dispose anyone on the inside to pay attention to icann critics. be respectful like me, and maybe you will get somewhere |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:46) yeah, well, I was just inviting him to deal with some of the issues. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:46) you know something - usually the berkman boys and girls warn us about off topic - of which there have been many such comment - but today - no warning |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:46) I dont think I was overly combative. |
| <RayFassett> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:47) geez...I stop paying attention for a bit and all the fun begins...that was alot of backreading |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:47) the issues -- they are the volitile matters. It's inherent in the issues |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:47) lol ray |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:47) Joe, please don't take that as a license to discuss icann board member lingerie preferences |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) lol |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) can someone make sure this question gets asked - on root servers |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) available to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:48) and privacy. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:49) Ask Osama |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:49) Ken used the word "trust" ... isn't that NeuStar's slogan? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:49) Osama - are you at the meeting |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:49) good question.... we have been concerned that they will capture our uruklink.net domain name and re-route the traffic. Ever since that jerk Berryhill made us change registrars |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:50) are you kidding? I'm in a freakin' cave |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:50) lol |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:50) Yes, in MDR |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:50) joe, the US will reserve the right to do as they see fit, the ICANN root is owned by the USG. period |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:51) No, the nearest cave we could find to MDR was Louis Touton. He caves to anyone who has enough money |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:51) lol |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:51) Isn't that Stuart Lynn? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:51) i know - thats why i keep asking the question - if its addressed correctly they get blessed - if not i end up with a great issue. |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:52) registrar transfers originate with a hacker who has a stolen credit card and can forge email. You know what aggravation it takes to get stolen domain names back? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:52) how would one address it correctly? by admitting it? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:53) Earth to Ben Edleman - Ben sweet pea Edleman - can you make sure my question gets asked ........ |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:53) One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:53) available to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:53) the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:53) possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:53) to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:53) violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:53) and privacy. |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:54) joe, there is a comment submission form. If you have something relevant upon which to comment, you may submit your question there. There is no guarantee of internet privacy between you and the US government |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:54) i used it oshama |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) In fact, because you are a Canadian, if you keep your transmissions in your own country, then that will be fine |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) but the question has not been asked ... once again can anyone at the meeting see if they can have this question addressed ??? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) available to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) and privacy. |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) If you send them through the Great Satan US, then you take your chances |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) you will probably have to post it again. They change for each segment of the meeting |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) Oshama - they can intercept any countrys tramnsmission - thats the issue. |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:55) who is the short boy? |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:56) oh, that's better |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:57) Joe, your question is in "prior sections" which means you will have to post it again during whatever meeting is current. If they don't take q&a, it won't be read |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:58) i'm not going to bother with that leah |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:58) the one thing about icann i notice is that they like to make people do skinner type response experiments - i'm not into that |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) so one more time - can the question be addressed - ben - sweetpea - edleman - can you make sure the question gets asked ??? "p |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) available to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) to reroute traffic to proxies which ca |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) pture the users information thereby |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 16:59) and privacy. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:00) ??? |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:00) Joe, that's a real question that is relevant, direct and to the point. Therefore, it doesn't stand a chance of being answered. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:00) i know - i'm counting on that. |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:00) lol |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:00) I can't imagine you be ing concerned about your integrity.... you infidel .god registrar |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:00) thats why it's better someone at the meeting address it. it a damn important question |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:00) nothing posted in the chat room is read. It has to be posted via the form during the relevant section of the meeting |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) oshama - you need a history lesson |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) av |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) ailable to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) the U.S. Government ferom using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) and privacy. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) sorry wrong history lesson |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) http://www.dot-god.com/information/histo |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:01) ry.html |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:02) we try to run .allah registry, but cheap weird man named sexton never get around to setting it up and then he keep saying he forget. He's been spending too much time with hookah pipe. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:02) http://www.dot-god.com/information/history.html |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:02) i feel sorry for sexton |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:02) i think he means well |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:02) he's just lazy |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:02) but he does respond to money |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:03) you send him some bucks and promise to send more once the job is done |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:03) then we get runaround from strange bipolar disorder man called thornton who also respond to money by asking for more |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:03) Frederico Neves' presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/neves.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:03) all sexton says is "send me paypal".... i don't want to be his pal, I want .allah registry |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:03) So I hear there is an ICANN movie out there |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:03) In addition, Sabine Dolderer's recent presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/dolderer.html |
| <TomOcc> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:03) "movie" |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:03) and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:04) .allah is taken by cyberbumker |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:04) so we try opennic, and they have ten people who have to make 10 different votes to get anything done |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:04) i mean www.cyberbunker.com |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:04) and this thornton character is one of them |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:04) at least sexton doesn't need to vote to be lazy |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:04) thats right - bunch of anarchist control freaks at the opennic |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:05) so, we figure we have better luck with icann |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:05) exactly - money talks - and anarchist vote |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:05) i wonder if there is a lesson to be lernt here? |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:05) alternate roots all lazy or crazy or both |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:05) which brings me to the Postel solution of first come first served. i'm certain someday that will replace icann |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:06) Osama! Watch your language! You used a cuss word! "Alternate root! |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:06) well - pacificroot is the best that i have found |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:06) " |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:06) Postel still busy with IANA function - (I Am Not Alive) pacroot is that nutty thornton guy who wants to charge me for running my own registry |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:06) the orsc is also very good - as far as the data is concerned |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:07) but - there are many downside there |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:07) if they only got democratic |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:07) ORSC - Old Richard Sexton Confederates |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:07) Osama, I think you must be mistaken. YOu can run your own registry on your own servers any time |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:07) but they don't - so who cares |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:07) yeah, leah? You got your check from Bradley yet? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:07) pacroot only charges if you use their registry system |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:08) thats why i like thronton and the open nic - i'm an old businiess man account type - and he makes me happy. he's a commercial interest - and i can understand that |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:08) but the orsc unfortunately - is a toy root. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:08) the root has nothing to do with the registry |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:08) nothing ever seems to get done - and i hope they do something about that. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:08) pacroot is a solid root |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:08) someday ... |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:08) ah.... WXW finally has some influence on you, eh? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:09) WXW? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:09) what has he got to do with the roots? |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:09) No... I met man at INEGroup who has staff of 118k people who can do better job |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:09) i know he runs his own |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:09) Geir Rasmussen's presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/rasmussen.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:10) jeff williams - he calls me sometimes. he's an interestiung dude |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:10) Yes, he is only one I talk to who seems to know what he is doing. I'm having him and INEGroup set me up. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:10) WXW is a windbag |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:10) and inherently paranoid |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:11) yes, but wxw coin phrase "toy root" |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:11) Pixar is making it into movie |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:11) well - he's right |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:11) Who cares? He's a twit. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:11) it is |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:11) I'm not even sure who he is or what he does. He just sounded like a raving lunatic on the netsol boards of last year |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:11) and then oneday i pressed the button - and the fat lady sung |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:12) Hillary Rosen at RIAA? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:12) WXW is high strung is all - i like him. he tried to play with me - and he figured out giving up was better :) |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:12) i have a sound file somewhere of WXW |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:13) Martin Lindner |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:13) I have to go to new cave now... am trying batcave at gotham city... be sure to visit my buddy at www.uruklink.net/iraq |
| <OsamaBinLaden> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:14) maybe I get boy wonder there |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:14) 's presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/Cert.pdf and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:16) William X. Walsh talks http://www.pccf.net/correspondence/dnspolicy/Walsh_Thu_26_Aug_1999_13-27-20_1-559-271-2919.wav |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:20) you should post your question now, joe |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:20) via the form |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:20) I sent this one:- *JudithOppe U.S.-based ICANN-accredited registrars are doing business with registrants who are members of terrorist organizations such as Hamas, and with registrants from countries where US trade embargoes are in force, such as Afghanistan. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation agreement specifies, Para. 3.7.2 Registrar shall abide by applicable laws and governmental regulations. Is this requirement in Para. 3. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:20) no - i've already asked it |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:22) Please keep your comments in this forum on the topic of the discussion and within the bounds of civility. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:22) what are you talking about rebecca |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:24) All participants in the discussion should refrain from personal attacks and/or insults. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:25) why has my question not been asked " One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:25) available to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:25) the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:25) possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:25) to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:25) violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:25) and privacy. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:25) we have all noticed you people have not been paying attention - whats up with the berkman people |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:26) Morning ( well it is here ;-) |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:28) shoot, there are thousands of servers resolving com/net/org all over the world. You just change roots and you have the resolution |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:29) oh great ... Ben, which question? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:29) the escrow service should be enough to reproduce a registry |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:29) Judith, it was Joanna's question which they declined to answer because it was not on topic. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:29) So what is the topic of this next sessio? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:29) session? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:30) registreis and registrars, recovery and restoration |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:31) So, its on topic for this? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:31) Elliot Noss and Chanki Park |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:31) Joanna, see http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/14759.html, maybe we should forward the question to Congressman Howard Berman. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:31) not really, but try anyway. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:32) i notice becca you avoid responding to my question - thats rude and why i consider you people such arrogant assholes. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:32) topic is recovery and restoration |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:32) Anyone have a working email address for Berman? |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:32) Baptista, ad hominem attacks are not appropriate here. Please restrain yourself to substantive discussion of the topics at hand. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:32) icann = arrogant assholes + shame |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) answer my question - why have you refused to put my submission to the panel on root servers |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) this was my question ben |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) available to prevent |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) possible to use the roots |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) violating the users integrety |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) and privacy. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) Does Joanna have to resubmit the question for this panel? |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) Baptista, profane language is not appropriate for this forum. Please restrain yourself, or I'll have to ask you to leave. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) yes |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) yes - it's all part of the experiment - keep them busy - why we ignore them |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:33) Joanna does not need to resubmit her querston. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:34) So how long do you guys think ICANN will milk this security issue and get to gTLD -- Second Round? |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:34) question, that is. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:34) answer the question ben |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:34) Changki Park's presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/park.html |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:34) they wont be able to support it |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:34) and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:34) as everyone can see - i have asked my question and have been ignored by the berkman people |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:35) so once again I state with certainty that they are all arrogant assholes - no other way to define the problem and the people |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:35) Baptista, this is your final warning: Profane language is not acceptable in this forum. If you again use profanity, I will have to ask you to leave, and I will use all available technical measures to see that you do not return. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:36) your an arrogant asshole - and rude |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:36) no other way to put it |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:36) this is the whole problem with icann |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:37) Ben, the question posted was legitimate, on topic and important |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:37) Leah, what question are you referring to? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:37) the root server question posted via the form |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) Can you give its ID number? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) brb |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) Ben, now that I have your attention, can I ask why you mined ARNI's .BIZ database and ran stats, why you mined IOD's .WEB database and ran stats, and have run NO STATs regarding Afilias' mess? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) baptista: One thing I have yet to hear anyone address is what preventative measures are |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) baptista: available to prevent |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) baptista: the U.S. Government from using the root servers for covert operations. It is |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) baptista: possible to use the roots |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) baptista: to reroute traffic to proxies which capture the users information thereby |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) baptista: violating the users integrety |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:38) 1379, Ben |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:39) In addition, Ben, I understand your research methodology was seriously flawed and you declined to recognize an explanation of this from either ARNI, IOD or both. |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:39) Question 1379 was not ripe for presentation during the preceding panel discussion, as it self-identified as relating to Root Name Server Security. |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:39) Tom, the topic you raise is not related to current discussion, and is therefore not appropriate for this forum at this time. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:40) Sad to see that no one cared to shine light on Afilias' TM fraud. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:40) lol |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:40) you're constipated. Nice way of getting out of dealing with the truth. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:40) This entire meeting is an avoidance of critical issues |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:40) Ben, you've become a parody of the process. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:41) Funny, when I emailed you these questions, you ignored me there too |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:41) Considering there WAS no "topic" -- why did you evade me then? |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:41) Tom, I repeat that the topic you raise is not related to current discussion, and is therefore not appropriate for this forum at this time. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:41) LOLOL. Stuff it, Ben |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:42) You clearly have that text ready for copy and paste |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:42) Nevermind |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:42) You made the case for me. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:42) I wont ask again |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:43) Ben, Joanna's question #1380 is self-identified as Registries and Registrars, which is this panel. Will it now be read? |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:43) It is in the queue and will be passed to the moderator of the session. |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:45) Calvin Browne's presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/browne.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <bingo> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:45) Ben your an arrogan asshole - shame on you - i've asked one of the important question concerning root servers and have been ignored - it is now my intention to take this to the DOC - and believe me you'll be named as a prime example of an arrogant asshole - and thanks for the fodder :) |
| <bingo> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:45) by the way - this is joe baptista again |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:46) Ben, can you explain how Afilias' problems with TM fraud and the incapacity of its infrastructure threatens the security of the main Internet root and the civilized world as we know it. Is that "on-topic" enough for you? |
| <bingo> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:46) and these real time notes are going to be an excllent example of the arrogance at berkman and icann |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:46) Bingo, your language is unacceptable for this forum. I ask you to restain yourself, and I will have to ask you to leave if you do not. |
| <bingo> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:46) this is Joe Baptista Ben - try not to be daft |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) Hi, Mr. Frangie |
| <JohnFrangie> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) Hello |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) Hi John |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) Ben, my question to you above is on-topic. It has to do with Internet security. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) If you missed it, here it is again... |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) Ben, can you explain how Afilias' problems with TM fraud and the incapacity of its infrastructure threatens the security of the main Internet root and the civilized world as we know it. Is that "on-topic" enough for you? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) Totally on topic |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) Can you address it? |
| <JohnFrangie> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) Hi Leah |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:47) is this the "serious issues avoidance meeting"? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) Yes, Paul |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) lol |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) great, i got the right place - thanks tom |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) It is Edelman Terrorism |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) no problem safe |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) Tom, my role in this forum is to provide technical assistance to remote participants seeking to view and participate in this webcast session. |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) ah yes, mr edelman |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) Thank you Ben. Please let me know when #1380 is passed to the moderator? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) Then why dictate topic |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) It is not my position to answer substantive questions, and neither will I attempt to do so. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) Oh, so it is your job to dictate topics |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) ? |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:48) It is my role to enforce the charter for this forum, as clearly displayed upon entrance to this forum. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:49) What's that have to do with technical capacities? |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:49) Tom-Around, if you have a question you would like to ask during the public comment period, please submit your question to the public comment submission system available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/realtime/ask.asp which is linked off the main webcast page. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:49) God, there are 2 of them |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:49) We see them on science fiction movies. Robots. Cyborgs. |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:52) Bruce Tonkin's presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/tonkin.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:52) <yawn> |
| <boxer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:54) pHey Ben - it's Joe Baptista calling you and the Berkman and Icann people arrogant assholes. We can do this |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:54) Well, this conversation is sterile and safe for the masses to consume. |
| <boxer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:54) all night. It will improve your administration skills in silencing decent from the masses. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:54) wb Joe |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:54) :) |
| <boxer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:54) boot me off again :) |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:54) Ben has to ensure his further status and employ |
| <boxer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:54) jesus - they just don't like a frank view of who they are |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:55) ding ding |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:55) you win the prize joe |
| <boxer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:55) bunch of arrogant pigs |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:55) Are we allowed to curse them out in private messages to one another? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:55) you missed off "self serving" |
| <boxer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:55) sure - thats off the record |
| <boxer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:55) ben is now tryiong to block my ip address - so i will soon be logging in elsewhere |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:56) lol |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:56) Ben, don't you get it. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:56) You cause this |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:56) You up the stakes. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:56) Why not block all of Canada? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) LOL |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) hey! |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) ben doesn't have to answer for anything he says/does - its the ican way |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) He's in bed with them |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) They bring the ugly out of people. I am normally very nice |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) actually, he's kept in a trunk by the side of the bed |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) Folks, it's important to keep discussion within the parameters of the message posted at the introduction to this forum. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) It's what they do. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) Ben, do you HEAR yourself? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) You need a beer. |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) I fear we're veering far afield, and that's not consistent with the charter of this space. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:57) lololol |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:58) Please take your discussion on other topics elsewhere. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:58) Like Data from Star Trek. Doesnt see the humor in his own self. |
| <arrogant-icann-> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:58) Hey Ben - it's Joe Baptista calling you and the Berkman and Icann people arrogant assholes. We can do this |
| <arrogant-icann-> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:58) all night. It will improve your administration skills in silencing decent from the masses. |
| <arrogant-icann-> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) he still has not figured out how to block me via ip address |
| <arrogant-icann-> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) and this is basically the level of icann security |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) LOL |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) HI! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) hahahaha |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) hi dave |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) lol |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) hey paul :) |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) : ) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) is ee the merry is going round.. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 17:59) Stick around, Dave. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:00) It gets bumpy from here |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:00) Ben, ICANN is the topic, actually. People having dissident views is considered free speech - at least in the US. Blocking those who wish to discuss issues relevant to ICANN is not the best practice methinks |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:00) hey Leah, sell many .biz domains today? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:00) he just chooses to hide behind charter and topic leah |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:00) "accountability" is missing from the icann dictionary |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:00) ahahaha |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:01) as is "ethics" and "morals" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:01) surely you jest |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:01) but strangely not "pimp" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:01) ahahaha |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:01) and "fraud" and "deceit" are underlined |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:01) Leah? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:01) go figure |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:01) what do you think, Leah? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:02) Safesys, the topic you raise is not related to current discussion, and is therefore not appropriate for this forum at this time. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:02) ; ) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:02) ahahaha |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:02) i think icann directly affect the security of the internet |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:02) if the "police" are corrupt - what then? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:02) ahahaha |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:03) SotirisSotiropoulos, the topic you raise is not related to current discussion, and is therefore not appropriate for this forum at this time. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:03) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:03) laughter is banned too? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:03) ben? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:03) SotirisSotiropoulos, the topic you raise is not related to current discussion, and is therefore not appropriate for this forum at this time. |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:03) unless icann can get a "per laugh fee" then yes it is banned |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:03) ahahaha |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:03) lol |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:04) unless you are one of their main customers, then you can wet yourself laughing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:04) Substantive public input: ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:04) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:04) hey, Leah, how .bizness? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:04) as domain holders we have no security in our domains as the udrp is so biased and ineffectual |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:04) Ben, have any remote questions being asked today at all? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) join the idno frind |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) friend |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) remote questions? |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) Joanna, only two remote comments have been submitted today. Neither have yet been read. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) ahahahah |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) Thanks Ben |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) all day? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) public input: ahahaha |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:05) Rick Wesson's presentation is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/wesson.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:06) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:06) please... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:06) spare us the presentations |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:06) who the hell is that guy on the podium now? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:07) looks embarassed to be there |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:07) maybe he |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:07) is selling |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:07) "original" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:07) .biz |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:07) registrations?!?!? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:07) at afternic? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:08) could explain the embarassment. |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:08) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:09) eah, care to comment? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:09) Leah |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:09) Are we having fun |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:10) i'm wondering quite what this meeting is hoping to achieve |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:10) the question is: are they having fun? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:10) and why icann saw fit to delay dealing with some very important issues |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) Nothing, Paul, but to stall the talks of the problems experienced by Afilias and NeuLevel |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) and why ben is hiding behind "charter" |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) This is diversionary |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) ben is a patsy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) like the rest |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) sorry ben |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) Ben hopes to secure multi-year job |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) just calling a spade |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) a growing resume |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) and status |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:11) nothig personal |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:12) anyon else you care to boot off ben? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:12) I'm surprised I didnt get booted |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:12) though I didnt curse |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:12) maybe he took on board what you said about how this paints him |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:13) say, ben, why didn't you boot vint from the podium yesterday for repeating the word "bullshit" three times |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:13) why didn't you bleep it out? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:13) lol |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:13) Vint did that? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:13) What was the context? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:13) hehe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:13) will you leave it in the archives Ben? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) Andy Muehller said it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) Vint said it |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) Only dissidents are censored |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) esther said it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) stuart lynn said it |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) Tom said it |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) Baptista said it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) what about their use of profanity ben? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) i hope vint was talking about the way icann staff evaluated iod's .web proposal |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) those are no-nos |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) heh |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) ben, you are a hypocrite. |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) indeed, safe |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) sotir...don't start trouble |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:14) shhh |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) so ben? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) thats another word missing from their dictionary |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) he will have to go to dictionary.com to look up the meaning |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) are you going to cleanse the archives? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) so don't expect an answer anytime soon |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) Paul, what is your take on the change of agenda? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) Was the change really about security concerns? |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) Or was it a cover> |
| <Tom-Around> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:15) ? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:16) cover and riding a popular "wave" |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:16) yes, precisely |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:17) it also allows the icann customers to generate more revenue without review or competition |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:17) I wonder if the DoC will catch on/give a damn |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:17) Ahh, the ways of ensuring anti-trust |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:17) DoC will do nothing |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:18) Of course not |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:18) The whole process is a fiasco. There isn't anyone who disagrees. Those within the charade know it's a joke too |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:18) brb |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:18) DoC does not want the responsibility for the Internet and is delighted to give it to ICANN |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:19) yeah, leah, but it keeps the root. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:20) yes, it keeps the root, but will enter anything ICANN recommends |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:20) They have stated in writing that they will not participate in selection of TLDs |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:20) kind of an advisory committee |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:20) The whole idea is to avoid the APA. This was stated by congress |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:21) no, Sergio, it's an abrogation of responsibility for convenience |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:21) and avoidance of law |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:21) sure... the appereance is what matters. substantially doc is in full charge. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:22) they count on that appearance |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:22) no doubt |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:22) accountability... old world? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:23) old time |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:23) that's the thing, Sergio. They are not accountable to anyone |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) that would involve ethics, morals, caring for the public needs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) Leah, looks like you should have done more for the registrants. |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) no one... the reconsideration request is too funny to be true |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) instead of foolishly believeing you were gong to compete |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) Well - Joe Baptista here again making sure the truth gets told - ICANN is full of arrogant assholes. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) hi joe |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) hi |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) welcome back |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) getting booted soon - so bie |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) ben is a hypocrite |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) we knw |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:24) bye folks - bens little fingers are tapping away |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) he's a twot |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) wb joe |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) bye leah |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) Go Joanna! |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) back a little later maybe |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) cya zorro |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) but i think i'll tire soon of bypassing ben |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) and i think i've made my point for the department of commerce to look into |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:25) ben is going to remove the world "bullshit" from yesterday's video archiv too |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) right ben? |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) shame on him |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) interesting one Joanna. |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) they are basterds - simple as that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) turds you say? |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) arrogant slimy and drippy assholes - civil servants in training |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) Thanks Sergio |
| <zorro> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) they must be busy - i'm still here |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) no |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:26) hat about vint? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:27) ben? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:27) palestine-info.com |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:27) uruklink.net |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:27) iraqtv.ws |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:27) hizbollah.org |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) somalirefreshment.com |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) what are the odds joe will be back? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) somaliinternet.com |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) post that, Joanna. If the registrant is using an address or contact info in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., it's illegal to sell it to them |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) taleban.com |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) joanna, a hard and intersting topic. We can't insert the whole registration system to an american presidential directive about "embargo" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) oh no? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) morojihad.com |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:28) why not? |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) the registrant could be outside US |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) post where Judith? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) good one Sergio |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) the registrar maybe in eu |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) I guess Hans couldnt take the topic.... |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) *** HansKraaijenbrink has joined #ICANN-chat |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) <Leah_G> They have stated in writing that they will not participate in selection of TLDs |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) *** HansKraaijenbrink has quit IRC (QUIT: ) |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:29) US companies are not allowed to do business with embargoed countries, so if a registrant resides or has contact info in one of those countries, they are barred from doing that business |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:30) see my article at Icannwatch.org - Stuart Lynn tackles Home Defense |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:30) anyway... if iraqi registrants want some TLDS, we europe can sell them. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:30) So if hte registry is in the US, no one can register from those embargoed countries |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:30) Check the GA mailing lists |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:30) joanna... going to read |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:30) they could surely just use a favricated us address |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:31) fabricated |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:31) thats seems to be the method used by domain thieves |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:31) so why not by terrorists? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:31) yes, in which case it could be difficult to manage. However, there are many registrations using contact information from the embargoed countries |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:31) terrorist are not all the countries US embargoed |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:31) Ben, please pass my question to Elliot. |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:32) there is a record in the GA mailing list that cites Register.com answering a customer service enquiry from Kabul address |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:32) kabul... still have an internet connection down there !? |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:35) Judith, Elliot pointed out to us that Joanna's question was not in fact on the topic of this session, i.e. restoration. Thus they will not be taking any more comments on that topic. It is a good question for the open public comment period on Thursday. |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:36) udrp working well? |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:36) lol |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:36) i must be missing something |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:36) it generates good revenue for the arb forums and panelists |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:36) that means it is working well...for the arb forums and panelists |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:36) but it falls flat with no review or appeals process |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:37) and no adherence with its own guidelines |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:37) what a joke! |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:37) if appeals are structured like the first grade, it's bettere there isn't any:) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:37) becca! |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:37) maybe someone could answer who empowered panelists to treat past cases as being precident setting? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:37) you're joking right? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:37) this meeting is about security!!!!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:37) Ben, have you forwarded my question to Elliot? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:38) what's more relevant than Joanna's question!!??!?!?!?!? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:38) no |
| <BenEdelman> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:38) Judith, please see Becca's response to you. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:38) he has not |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:38) Sotir, no one in power here has a clue |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:38) I missed the repsonse, what did she say> |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:38) becca's response is procedural; bullshit! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:38) Becca? |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:39) Judith, Elliot pointed out to us that Joanna's question was not in fact on the topic of this session, i.e. restoration. Thus they will not be taking any more comments on that topic. It is a good question for the open public comment period on Thursday. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:39) secrity... yeah right!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:39) procedural bullshit. |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:39) it is enough about security |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:40) Becca, please advise Elliot that Congressman Berman will be very interested in the question. |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:40) embargoed is enough linked to terrorism |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:40) do you think ICANN cares if Congressman Bergman is interested? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:40) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:40) the joke mus be on the Congressman |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:41) or on you judith |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:41) God himself could come down and tell ICANN do enter new TLDs faster, and ICANN would say, "We appreciate your participation in ICANN's open and transparent process, and we will take your thoughts into consideration" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) too bad God doesn't exist |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) ..yeah but where are the 50.000$? |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) Where's Chris Ambler. Haven't seen him in here |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) then we'd see about that |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) Sotir, I beg your pardon, I do INDEED exist. |
| <Sergio> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) : |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) joe? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) is that you? |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) lol |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:42) no |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) hehe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) hehehe |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) no |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) Good guess tho |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) ahahaha |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) I wonder if he is among us |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) hehe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) hey ben! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:43) why don't you let joe back? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:44) hehe |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:44) If joe wanted to come back in, I suspect he could find a way |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:44) : ) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:44) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:44) ben, do you think so? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:44) could joe find a way? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:44) I got pulled off. Someone asked does ICANN care about Berman. I think yes, as he's getting press on this stuff. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:45) press? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:45) Joe could log in from just about anywhere if he chose to |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:45) surely you're joking? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:45) http://www.washtech.com/news/regulation/13647-1.html |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:45) who pays any attention to the press anyway? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:45) that's window dressing judith |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:45) lip service |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:46) Perhaps. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:46) ersatz criticism at best |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:46) designed to mollify public opinion |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:46) as if there were such a thing |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:46) Nonetheless, its a sexy issue at the moment. And Elliot pissed me off. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:46) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:47) you're beautiful when you're angry judith |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:47) ;-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:47) so I've been told |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:47) takes one to know |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:48) Icann even made a whole column in Newsday this week, page 5 on Monday, covers most of the key players in NYC |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:50) They cut it an hour short |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:51) what else is new |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:51) So, is ICANN meeting only 3 times a year now -- or 4 still? |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:51) Today's webcast meetings are concluded. The meetings here in Marina del Rey will continue in breakout sessions for the remainder of the afternoon. |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:51) Thanks for participating. |
| <Tom> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:52) Are we supposed to leave now? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:52) well, I'm thrilled to get the question read |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:52) Anyone else disgusted? |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:52) but think they should also have taken joe baptista's |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:52) good question joanne, poorly answered |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:52) joanna |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) yes, they should have, but then when have they done what they should? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) sorry, that was a typing error not ignorance |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) Ben, you are a twit |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) doesn't matter safesys, it's on the agneda |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) agenda now |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) yeah |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) not that anyone really reads the archives |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) which is in the public's interest |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:53) just had to say it for the record |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) ben is a wonderful human being |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) Ben, are you writing a report on .info ? |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) Let's see what is asked at the public forum |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) he has taken the art of deflection to a higher form |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) there are stringers in the audience from Reuters, Associated Press, BBC - if they pick it up, they will run with it |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) Ben, are you writing a report on .biz? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) iam sickened |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) of course not dave, thats not in the interest of furthering the buddy-list |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:54) exactly |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) ben is a stooge |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) it is disgusting |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) ben is disgusting |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) and a stooge |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) agreed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) patsy |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) Patsy Stooge could be his stage name maybe? |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:55) lol |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) Thanks for the good audio/video today, Ben |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) nice name ...sorta reminds one of Patty Smithe ... |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) and the Stooges |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) along with "becca", formerly known as "rebecca" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) ahahaha |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) See you all tomorrow, maybe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) ahahaha |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) what time Leah? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) ahahaha |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:56) lemme look |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:57) looks like 11:30 EST. Only for an hour, tho. "Addressing Allocation systems." Most people ignore this, but it is critical |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:58) Thxs leah |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:58) ICANN Community Meeting |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:58) on Security and Stability of the Internet Naming and Address Allocation Systems |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:58) webcast sessions listed below |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:58) 8:30AM - 9:30 AM |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:59) What is more interesting is the way the board meeting is listed... |
| <Joanna> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:59) Bye for now |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:59) ICANN Board Meeting on other topics |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:59) open to public observation |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:59) webcast in its entirety |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 18:59) cya |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 19:01) Goodbye until tomorrow. |
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