ICANN Board Meeting - 11/16/2000

Nickname - Message
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:18) Good morning.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:19) The meeting will begin in about half an hour.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:27) Good morning Ben, Dotcoms
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:37) Does anyone have video feed yet?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:41) Ben, are you there? I'm getting an outdated link error for the video.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:41) goodmorning
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:42) Good morning, Kristy. Are you getting vid?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:42) yup - no sound yet
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:42) oops my speakers were turned down
<_r> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:43) Anyone happen to have an agenda of today's meeting?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:44) Ben & Rebecca - you two did a great job yesterday - Thank You!!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:47) brb
<RobJuneau> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:48) hi people. permission to come aboard?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:49) Good morning Rob
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:49) Good morning Rob :)
<RobJuneau> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:49) how are we this morning?
<BobStoddard> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:49) any one getting video?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:50) I'm getting outdated link
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:50) Bob, I can't get it, I keep getting the same outdated link error
<BobStoddard> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:50) crud..... this happened yesterday for awhile...
<RobJuneau> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:50) "...or inaccurate"
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:50) No scribed notes yet either; essential blind and deaf here.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:52) Notice the error points to yesterdays file (11/15)
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:52) just got back- does anyone have video/audio?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:52) (good morning, btw :))
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:52) gm, none denise
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:53) Hi - Salve
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:54) Am I late? What's going on - no sound, no video, ... ?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:54) --almost back -- have frozen video & frozen scribe
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:55) I have vid via primary (56k). can not get the dual pane
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:55) brb
<weikers> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:55) Good morning all. Any sense of which (if any) TLDs will be approved?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:55) the secondary (28k) is pointing to yesterday's file; so is giving an error of outdated link
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:55) I couldn't get the dual pane so adjusted the link to today's link in a separate RealPlayer and clicked on the scribe notes link separately
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:56) I actually think I might like it better this way.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:56) Ben must be setting up - lots of file not found
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:56) Dena - come again?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:56) thx dena- that worked for me too
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:57) Judith I copied the link into my realplayer and changed the 5 to a 6
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:59) okay, did the separate vid & sep notes & that works
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:59) Separate video and notes works. Pictures clearer too.
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 10:59) Only bad thing is these windows don't seem to be resizeable
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:00) Does anyone have any scribed notes yet?
<RobJuneau> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:01) not me
<FranciscaMedina> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:01) nop
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:02) All video feeds should now be working properly.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:02) RN - is the primary 56k rebooting?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:03) Rebecca, the link for 28K vid & notes is still outdated; just tried again after your message
<_r> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:03) primary 56k is working fine here
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:03) they must've ran out of bandwidth
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:03) No. They are all working properly now. We have not run out of bandwidth.
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:03) Please try the feeds again.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:04) (sorry - i was referring to Eschelon Telecommunications
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:04) No, different error
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:04) i have scribe
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:09) Working now, Rebecca. Thanks.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:11) What does the resolution say?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:12) my ISP has given up some bandwidth - amazing what one phone call can do!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:14) So its 30 days public comments whether to go forward or not, or just if that's how to go forward with the study, or what?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:14) (I lost sound)
<RobJuneau> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:15) (i lost everything but chat)
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:16) Where can we see these resolutions?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:18) the study I think, Judith
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:18) did they just vote to keep all current directors?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:19) no Krisy
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:19) whew
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:19) They are keeping staff officers
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:19) could be just as bad
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:19) yes, just as bad
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:19) here we go
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:20) Seatbelts on? Tray tables up, everyone.
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:20) Staff is responsible for most of the fiascos we've seen so far
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:20) agreed, leah
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:20) agreed, Lean
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:20) Leah
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:21) Where is today's agenda?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:21) there is none
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:21) TLDs are next
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:21) agenda is just board meeting from 900-1300
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:21) 800-1400?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:21) oops 800-1200
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:22) :)
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:22) it was supposed to start at 9, but they moved it to 8 in order to have the GAC report
<NobuoSakiyama> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:22) II. of http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111600.html
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:23) No recusals are important lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:23) a relationship is still a relationship
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:23) melbourne it should be disqualified due to his relationship with them
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:24) even f it was the janitor
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:24) what about Stubbs? Had to throw that in
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:24) finally ... what is the deal re the study?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:25) How does this vote work , must all approve an application or a majority?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:25) they think this is a laughing matter?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:25) I feel otherwise
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:25) it appears so Dave
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:25) they are going to have a 30 day comment period on the procedure for the study, the proceed with it
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:25) window dressing
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:26) juat let the tld's out this ain't rocket science
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:26) is the text of the 'resolution' anywhere? (its not on their web site)
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) has anyone seen the letter that senators sent to doc?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) r u here Jim?
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) Free the TLDs.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) at great length... 3 minutes
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) they want doc to hold off on including any TLDs
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) Button copy.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) read it leah
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) haven't seen it
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) I am glad certainmembers of congress have done this but talk about cutting it close!
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:27) there was an article on it somewhere
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:28) on newsbytes
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:28) thanks B&R - just noticed the agenda link ---
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:28) yes newsbytes want the link?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:28) and it was centeres on Image Online Design
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:28) Sounds like the board is ignoring Markey and Capps, no?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:29) board won't have anything to say about it
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:29) I want the link
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:29) Letter is to DoC
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:29) perhaps for the moment because of the time factor
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:29) brb
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:29) That will not be the only letter. you will see one from a Senator
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:30) http://www.newsbytes.com/news/00/158218.html
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:30) Capps is IOD's congressperson
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:30) thx
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:30) who, JDS?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:30) I was JD but today someone is using the handle
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:31) RE the letter: http://www.tbtf.com/ first link
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:31) I meant which Senator
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:31) give me your e-mail
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:31) ?? - JDS -
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:31) Has Cerf's tone changed since yesterday?
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:32) Yes
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:32) jandl@jandl.com, JDS
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:32) Changed
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:32) Judith - I think a tad, yes
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:32) So who'd he have dinner with last night?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:33) oh god
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:33) Hi guys
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:33) Leah, I'm 'feeling' you ...
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:33) Hi Simon
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:33) Live from the loony bin...
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:33) They're even more frightening in person ;-)
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:34) lol simon
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:34) ?? no .web ??
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:34) Yes Vint Cerf
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:34) Excellent
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:35) sounds like Mr Cerf is looking for reasons to approve IOD
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:35) go cerf
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:35) thanks Vint
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:35) He is the most technically efficent
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:35) "and the winner for 'best supporting application' is..."
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:35) lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:36) Keep talking about IOD and show they have rights!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:37) They will do it within 30 -60 days if not sooner
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:37) Ambler
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:37) who is this I don't think he read the application
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:37) That's a lie! They are a "thick" registry model
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:37) I got kicked again ... what I miss?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:37) talking about IOD
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:38) mistaken, but good
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:38) He isn't taking into account that Ambler said he would do it within 30-60 days
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:38) I think they just sancitoned IOD and it's registrants RIGHTS
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:38) my scribe is not up to date!
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:38) I understood it that way too JDS
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:38) sanctioned
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:38) :(
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:39) they are still hanging up on the $35 price too
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:39) Chris said that was negotiable
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:39) se having afilias and nuestar trying to take .web had a benefit since it proves that .web is most marketable
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:39) I think Vint Cerf Likes IOD I really do
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:39) So $35 is too high but $2000 isn't
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:40) crazy, huh?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:40) look at .TV
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:40) let the market decide
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:40) that right; the market decides
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:40) how anyone can haggle over $35 when $1000's are spent developing sites is beyond me
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:40) if applicants get only three minutes so should the staff who reviewed these apps Lol
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:40) oh... but ICANN knows better than the market whats good for us ; )
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:41) Vint had a problem yesterday with low priced domains
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:41) what is affinity?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:41) MCI can't make enough money for his retirement!
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:41) The company that wants to charge $2000 for .BIZ
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:41) people would want it for free. I mean come on $35 is not going to take foor off someones table
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:42) low priced domain names, allow for folks using perl, unix, and apache to have afforadable web site.... not every one spends big bucks on a web site.
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:42) I charge $6.00 for .biz
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:42) agreed - JD
<RobJuneau> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:43) yes, yes, and yes jd
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:43) Why do you think you a here My GOD
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:43) .Shop
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:44) OMG
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:44) Let Hundreds come out who cares
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:44) ICANN is being human today
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:44) lol dave
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:44) I am in shock
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:45) I have to tell you some of these people aren't that informed that is scary if someone with ulterior motives has gotten their ear
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:45) agreed jds
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:46) like K Stubbs. I will say this again after he gets what he wants he will soon resign as his position is just a tool
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:46) well, he's learned to use that tool pretty well, eh?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:46) Congress is awakening , it should get intertesting
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:47) Yes, I've personally spoken to two congressmen yesterday.
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:47) Really?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:47) really
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:47) I find this unbelievable that they aren't sure how many to pick this should have been done in July
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:48) maybe Karl's speech helped to open their minds?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:48) where have these people been????????????????
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:48) sounds like they are discussing asomething over a beer, Like what do you think lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:48) Counld any of them other than Cerf ... even find the current .web or .biz if they tried?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:49) that would be a NO Judith
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:49) remember when Stubbs wouldn't answer Ambler about the consensus of working group c
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:50) I don't mean to criticize but some of these people haven't much of a clue , it is very surprising
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:50) first we should.. but before that we'll... only in advance of that lets... and prior to that we should..
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:50) It's SCARY
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:50) That's a good criteria for choosing TLD's ... how much time ICANN staff has to spend babysitting them...
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:50) and again what are we doing here today?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:50) really, I think they have illustrated to the netizen community quite effectivly that they are not a part of our community
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:50) it's like lets do 50 no lets do 10 like no big deal LoL
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:50) lol judith
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:51) I think they're proving out Karls comments from yesterday - all that money and no work product
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:51) indeed
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:51) vint just woke up
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:51) the less they approve, the more $50K fees they collect in the next round of applications
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:51) It might actually mean their are some good people on this board but they are shielded by some others in the organization
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:51) thank you Vint
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:52) Competition
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:52) Vint Cerf will be Chairmen
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:52) That was made clear a few days ago, someone asked if "carrot" TLD's (those "we might choose later") would have to pay again, answer was "depends on ICANN's cost of recovery needs" or some such thing.
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:52) Competition should = NSI allotment
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:52) He blew that
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:52) NSI should live with NONE
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:53) Sorry JDS?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:53) Cerf wants to let em Fl;y
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:53) One TLD per applicant unless, of course, that applicant is 'involved' in multiple applications?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:53) what Giorgio
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:53) NSI should live...?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:54) I wish ICANN would address hoarding expired domains by NSI
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:54) Vint Cerf is the leader here?
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:54) We don't need leader
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:54) Do you remember?
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) We are on the net
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) VC represents what a netizen might understand --
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) within the members of the board. That is my impression
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) esther hasn't figured out competition either
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) must have missed that class at harvard
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) lol
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) Ester doesn't have a home computer
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) "morning" all
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:55) IOD has proved there concept
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:56) Evening here
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:56) Vint Cerf is no friend to tLDs, really. He's deceptive
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:56) You know moree about this than me but I figured I would be nicer for a change LOL
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:56) ben - i don't know if you remember my comment yesterday about the scribing of ken when he was presenting for idomains - if you do, sorry. it bothered me afterwards. i was wrong, and did not intend to criticize you.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:56) shoot- lost webcast
<DavidCorish> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:57) Tell Esther Dyson .WEB desired by small business, not her concern.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:57) They should know so much already!!!
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:57) evening giorgio - same here. 8pm.
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:57) The webcast is still functioning properly. Anyone having difficulties may want to simply try again.
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:57) Are they looking here?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:57) Many of us herte know more than most of these directors
<DavidCorish> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:57) Tell Cerf Dunn & Bradstreet not good barometer to measure viable "business".
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:58) thx RN- i did get it back
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:58) agreed JDS
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:58) Are they here, with us?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:58) I think Stubbs and his faction are the ones who give ICANN it'sd bad face?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:59) I'm glad to know that they don't know what they are doing either
<DavidCorish> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:59) Thanks to Oscar Cisneros for yesterday's concern.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 11:59) WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT STRINGS?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) THEY ARE CONFUSING ME
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) Until now, I thought it was just me who didn't know what they were doing
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) I THOUGHT WE WERE DISCUSSING TLDs
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) they're calling them strings
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) aren't they ?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) tld strings - sequences of alphanumeric characters
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) They are determining whether they are approving particular TLDs OR if they are approving application/registries.
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) he chopping trees down now
<RobJuneau> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) one gets that tantalizing impression from time to time, giorgio.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:00) What worries me is that they will take the Staff report as gospel when it is very flawed and biased
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) the question is "do we approve a '.web' and then decide which one, or do we approve an application, and then decide which of several TLDs they can run"
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) jds i did not get that impression yesterday
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) Sorry?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) if they are as clueless as they appear, they will most likely lean on the staff report
<RobJuneau> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) are they here?
<DavidCorish> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) Obviously, at least some board members did not read apps.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) That worries me
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) very worrisome
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:01) That was a Stubbs and company project LOL
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:02) Roberts has it wrong - new TLDs is more like PLANTING forests
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:02) wgc was 6-10
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:02) no
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:03) no consensus
<DavidCorish> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:03) Roberts has his head in the sand about a lot of things.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:03) sounds like policy to me
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:03) Didn't anyone see The Matrix? There is no basket.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:03) that is your JOB
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:04) notice Cerf does not referr to TLDs as strings ---
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:04) Judge each one individually, I don't like these pre-concieved parameters
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:04) Cerf: don't forget to review who has pioneer's preference
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:04) are those earmuffs?
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:05) i agree wit jds
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:05) Mr Kyong is more worried that he will spend to much time and miss dinner
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:05) he's listening to napster
<DavidCorish> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:05) No, Cerf may be hard of hearing, and he wears headset.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:05) lol
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:05) ah, thank you
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:05) Competition YES
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:06) but he is listening to napster
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:06) "a space in the ontology of what domain names mean"
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:06) ???
<DavidCorish> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:06) If Cerf listens to Napster, than probably not Metallica.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:06) and nothing else matters
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:07) Does she really mean "domain names" or "TLDs"?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:07) I think some of these directors would be more in touch just reading the public comments board
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:07) how about already in operation Schink?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:07) grr
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:07) agreed JDS
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:07) that's the problem, they read them and think that's it
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:07) give this guy a basket of apples from that apple grove
<DavidCorish> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:08) Directors don't seem to care enough to read comment board. After yesterday, I'm not convinced they read applications!
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:08) click here to add to basket
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:08) I also do not feel they read the applications completely or at all
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:08) I don't think they read much of the applications either - probably had the staff read them and are basing their decisions off the staffs
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:08) They should have made this decision in Yokohama but I guess thewy wanted many to spend 50k to apply
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:08) vint is pushing iod again
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:09) perhaps they'll deconstruct right thru the floor
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:09) Well??
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:09) hello?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:09) Who is this discrediting IOD he doesn't have a clue
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:10) Interplanetary internet?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:10) I'm in the room and just got bounced
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:10) Why doid we all get kicked out of chat
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:10) so did i
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:10) me too
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:10) i missed it - how was IOD discredited?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:10) it happens... life and the internet are imperfect
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:11) IOD 's application is complete, you are ill informed
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:11) Thousand and thousand...???
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:11) vint implied that it was a single registrar model, nothing to get excited about
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:11) Esther is no likely to do business online anyway - she has no computer!!!
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:11) They are going to discuss IOD after Afinity. The chap with are muffs has an issue with IOD because they think IOD is the sole regestrar fro one year.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) Ambler has already changed that... weren't they listening?
<sa> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) "chap with muffs" ?!?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) Vint Cerf gives the impression thaT iod SHOULD HAVE IT
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) Rebecca, my scribe is stuck at #14
<sa> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) qquaint
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) nobody is perfect.... no reason to fly off the handle at every word here...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) YOU ARE RIGHT
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) <-- connection troubles. won't apolgise each time i leave and return.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:12) Yes folks, Vint Cerf is wearing a hearing aid
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:13) wb foolstop
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:13) I think it is Mr Schink who doesn't like IOD ?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:13) Ken's basket how approprioate
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:14) attention daytraders - watch that basket and fire up e-trade on your othe window
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:14) Look how easy to pick one LoL
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:14) jvteam .biz ... how unpredictable..
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:14) not
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:14) Let's just do it already
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:15) Is scribe working
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:15) my scribe is at 14.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:15) mine also
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:15) 13
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:15) 14
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:16) SCRIBE is STUCK
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:16) Welcome Michael
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:16) Why are they so concerened with JVTEAM?
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:16) Really, you'd think that some of these points would have been planned before hand! They should at least know what the plan is.
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:16) Michael hi
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:16) SUMMER VILLA I guess LOL
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:16) i thought board meetings had to have an agenda?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:16) calling all daytraders.... JVTEAM is in the basket
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) But not at the checkout
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) (sounds like a basket(ball) game :)
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) Michael, are you also present at the meeting?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) iod up
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) Well one done for .web LOL
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) lost the video - keep me posted
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) who is this guy?????????????
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) He has it in for IOD
<MichaelFroomkin> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:17) I am now back in Miami.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) it is >warm< there
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) welcome to the muppet show
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) talking re accelerated registrar interface
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) 30 to 60 days if not sooner
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) I have the heat on in Orlando, John.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) In reading the chat logs, you will see that most of us stood by everything you said at the meeting, Micheal
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) i'm back; but excuse me whilie I call Eschelon -- again
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) NO SCRIBE it is STUCK
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:18) Who is this director talking ,
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:19) Rebecca/Ben, Scribe is stuck
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:19) i think the scribe got sick and filled their own basket...
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:19) lol
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:19) oh my scribe just started to work
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:19) IOD can handle it they have done far more than most
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:19) agree JDS
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:19) Who is this director that is talking?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) Did they decide ad hoc filling of the basket or reviewal of each in order?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) IOD implemented a new TLD - others just sat around talking about it
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) It's not a director, its staff
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) what about 5 years of commitment and operation
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) what are they saying; i have no sound and scribe is stuck
<MichaelFroomkin> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) tech problem: scribe pane has frozen.
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) IOD is getting toasted
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) .WEB is awesome that is why afilias and neustar are seeking to steal it
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:20) scribe is back, close and open
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) agreed JDS
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) Mr Cerf you better talk to Congress they aren't happy about this afilias
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) ARRGHH
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) "and the winner for 'best application for .web special effects is......"
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) later IOD
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) When NSI charged $100 for a 2 year registration that seemed aggressive enough in terms of results...
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) what happened to competition??
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) surprise!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) Goodbye IOD hello lawsuit?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:21) lol JDS- looks that way
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:22) chris is fuming a few rows in front of me
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:22) more like goodbye ICANN hello opensrs
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:22) You can't blame him he has bput his heart and soul into this for 5 years
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:22) thanks esther - first actual debating point of the day...
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:22) I say the public can decide, by ajusting their systems to keep IOD for .web and ignor whom ever gets it from this committe.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:23) This isn't technical, this is POLITICS
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:23) agreed
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:23) agreed
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:23) who is this guy?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:23) jd we all know that won't happen
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:23) Yeah RIGHT
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:24) she said no longer a monopoly? is she smoking crack?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:24) "think hard about this"
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:24) it is a IRON FIST
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:24) So was that the entire IOD discussion?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:24) NSI is hoarding expired domains what arte they thinking even discussing them
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) right - competition. ty esther... or is she covering her proverbial?
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) neutral?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) MYSCRIBE isn't working
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) I got booted; a quick summary of what happened, please?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) yeah being at the beck and call of NSI
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) so they can be as efficient as ICANN
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) Is scribe at 14?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) IODs been summarily dismissed... theyre discussing Afilias
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:25) this guy got paid off
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) no doubt
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) NO SHIT
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) IOD was dismissed, officially?
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) I see we're "technically coordinating" again
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) a SUMMER VILLA awaits
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) he
<Jean-MichelBecar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) No official resolution has been taken yet !
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) marcia: not "officiallY"-
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) hi richard... we are filling a 'basket" of tentative approvals JVTEAM .biz is in the basket, we are debating afilias .web now... esther has concerns, Louis and Mike want it in
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) he's doing everything he can to shoot IOD down
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) the writings on the wall
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) and praise NSI
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) if this wasn't so serious it would be comical
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:26) They seemed to reply on the staff reports.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) Afilias is just a collection of ma and pa businesses
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) what gary?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) ma and pa like NSI?????
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) A joke
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) NSI is a ma and pa business????
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) They are making a big mistake dismissing IOD it will be their downfaLL
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) did you really dismiss IOD already?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) not yet
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) Yes, JDs, I agree
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) jds on that i may well agree
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) i agree JDS
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) but it's not easy to be discussed again ?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) Congress is awakening
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:27) esther questions whether afilias is a move in the direction of competition
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) only because NSI claims that IOD can't get the softwar ready in time
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) very good question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) I can see the rope tightening around the ICANN neck, ala judicial review
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) no yang, this is a tentative exercise in filling a basket proposed by ken
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) objectivelyt speaking this doesn't require thought
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) to add in the other registrars
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) where's the consideration to public opinion?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) who proposed jvteam .biz?
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:28) if not in basket this time, they will talk about it again ?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) Why does ICANN think they can award a .web to someone other than IOD without infringing IOD's rights?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) I haven't a clue JDS
<Jean-MichelBecar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) Because IOD have no rights on .web
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) jvteam maybe by vint ?
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) YAY Vint
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) Yes they do it is called OPerating a business
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) I disagree Jean
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) ty both
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:29) first use Jean Michel
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:30) not only first use but continued use
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:30) right jds
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:30) agreed jds
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:30) the two men are in cahoots
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:31) You just can't steal someones business just because, this is is common sense
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:31) Hey Murai, it's supposed to be competition "at the registry and registrar level"
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:31) do you think Postel would wear a tux and bow tie? Hell, I'm not even sure he'd wear shoes.
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:31) haha
<AvniyeTansug> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:31) Hi everyone...
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:31) is scribe stuck at 14?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:32) I bet he is looking down scratching his head
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:32) mine is jean (14)
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:32) scribe is working, better restart it
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:32) Cerf seems wholey biased towads Afilias?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:32) he does today
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:32) They worrie about IOD NOT IMPLEMENTING rrtp WHEN afilias doesn't even have an office!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:32) RRP
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:33) or an employee!
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:33) it may all be irrelevent anyway:
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:33) I got sidetracked on a phone call - what I miss?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:33) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20001116/tc/officials_question_icann_verisign_deal_1.html
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:33) all chiefs no Indians
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:33) simon are you on site?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:33) thieving chiefs
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:33) at some point in time, one makes up one's mind. having an opinion is not having a "bias"
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) yep
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) That letter discusses CONSENSUS
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) true, but one can have a 'biased' opinion :)
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) Did they just agree to Afilias?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) judith - jvteam .com & afilias .com seem to be in the basket
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) fyi markey is endorsing iod - see url above
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) Fockler is cool
<KanJohar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) What's happening with IOD
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) afilias .web
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) ken.. c'mon... it's your basket they are filling
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:34) jvteam .biz lol
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) i can't believe I'm missing this
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) a shattered alliance yet the staff report praises them
<KanJohar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) when will the final decision be reached?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) surprise surprise ... NeuStar and Verisign ..
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) meeting ends 3pm kan... no decision necessary
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) This guy has to sway them
<KanJohar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) excellent....looks like things are looking up
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) nobody know ?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) i'm back
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) I need a basket, too.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) looking up Kan? however do you mean?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:35) Hi. I just tuned in. Anything interesting been said this morning?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) hey matt
<CharlesTin> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) Hello fraom France (Marseilles)
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) YES Mr Fockler
<KanJohar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) I don't know, just trying to instill some confidence im myself =)
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) THANK you
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) IOD
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) who is this talking?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) hey Kristy
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) get to the point ken
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) Yea Ken!
<CharlesTin> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) anythnig interesting yet? Decisions announced?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) IOD in the basket CMO'n
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) is that ken stubbs?
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) go ken go
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) yeah Fockler!
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:36) wait Ken supported IOD?
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) did i hear that right?
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) put them BOTH in the basket
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) You can put more in the basket, just don't crush the bread
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) so they can do it in secret later
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) Yes he did.
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) Ken Fockler. He's the grandfather of Canadian internetworking
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) charles http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111600.html
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) no procrationation
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) She votes no about what?
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) agreed
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) yea "BUT IT COMES DOWN TO THE BAG BOY" dont cruch the bread!
<CharlesTin> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) tahnks andrew
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) ken supported IOD, yes "support pioneers"
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) The balding fellow doesn't like IOD
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:37) who is this guy talking he has an agenda against IOD
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) yeah lets hope the bread isnt on the bottom of the basket ;)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) Was that Esther or Andrew? (both have womens voices ...)
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) am i the onl one whose audio keeps messing up?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) Judith who is this GUY
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) Esther methinks
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) mine is ok denise
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) judith, lol
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) louis touton
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) my audio/video is fine.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) jds, we are not all synchronized.. so "this guy" is not helpful... the bald guy with the glass of water is louis touton
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) That is TOUTON
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) Got booted again, was IOD added to the basket?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) so she voted no against what, # of items in basket, or a specific item in basket?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:38) thx richard, matthew
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) the guy who is washed out in the light is vint cerf
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) TOUTON isn't a board director????
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) Judith she voted no to Afilias
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) he is
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) the guy who owns the basket and wants IOD in is ken fockler
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) Touton keeps shootingIOD down
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) Touton is trying to talk the board out of putting IOD in the basket. He seems hung up on teh oine year thing even though they changed taht.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) no, touton is not a board member, he is general counsel
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) touton is ICANNS general counsel
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) really? sorry then.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:39) for more info, see www.louis-touton.com
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) Esther voted no on Afflias? Window dressing or real?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) This guy is very transparent
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) TOuTON is not a board director, he shouldn' be talking
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) i don['t know what esther said "no" to
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) thin... i thought chris might want to clarify that...
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) someone's been shining his bald head
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) vint has sympathy for pioneers but...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) Karl Auerbach says he most go I agree
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) Touton was part of Jones Day Reavis Pogue, the law firm that owns ICANN
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) There should be no sympathy for Pioneers, there should be *support* !!!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:40) and who helped the staff report
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:41) yeah marcia!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:41) CERF show the leadership sway them
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:41) YES they can and CERF is the most techinical on this board
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:42) voice of reason from cerf....wonder who'll shoot him down
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:42) I thought IOD already had the RRP doing
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:42) CUT THE FLUFF! AND GET TO THE MEAT & BEANS!
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:42) IDIOTS! - soooo FIXED
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:42) Bull Mr Roberts IOD will open it up, put it in writing
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:42) working not doing
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:42) mike makes a fair point, but i note that while they suggest afilias conditional acceptance, no such will be offered to IOD
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) this was decided months ago - this is all a pony show for us
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) Pisanty, it wasn't corrected on the fly, the report had errors!!!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) Mr Roberts then does not believe we learn from mistakes?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) ha ha on the link JB
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) ______________________________________________________________
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) esther likes the little guy...
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) if you liked that one, you'll love estherdyson.com
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) Did we lose scribes notes?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) but iod doesn't cut it
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) no, scribe is working
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) Mr Roberts wants to give Chris Ambler Consolation merchandise which is nothing but getting robbed
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) "we tried". we failed of course, but we tried
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:43) Go Esther!!!!!!!!!!!!
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:44) as long as the little guy is in bed with NSI
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:44) go Esther!!!!!!!!!!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:44) Mr Higgs I haven't had a problem
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:44) Who'd she sleep with last night?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:44) shove it Esther!!!!!!!!!!!
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:44) Esther letthe market decide
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:44) I am more than willing to pay #35 to IOD for a .web!!!
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) its over
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) HAVE they heard of investors?
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) pick 300
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) oh puhleeeeeeez esther
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) Yet you can take 50k from people and that is alright
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) LET THE MARKET DECIDE.
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) ohh please!!! what a sham!!!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) Esther you cannot have your cake and eat it too.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) it has the most appeal
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) this is technical coordinationan?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) oh man, yeah what a sham. that was a backhanded slap to iod
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) Multiple holes in hind quarters from sitting on too much fence ...
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) what would king soloman do ? :-)
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) What I missed it?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) really they have been doing this for 5 years what is the problem
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) no, it is picking winners based on armchair economics
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) four years of operation is apparently not strong enough for this group!?!?!??!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) off with her head
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:45) cut esther in half?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:46) Let's go to court screw this
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:46) rough concensus and running code is what Solomon said :-)
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:46) so wait what have they been reccomended to choose?
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:46) all over guys and gals
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:46) did they say how many?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:46) what lewso?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:46) no as long as they are talking about IOD it is a start
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:46) IOD isnt even in the basket
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) IOD has a right to be a $85/domain registry/registrar and live/die by the market
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) great example
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) lets start our lawsuit now please
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) number of new tlds is not fixed yet, Kevin
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) PUT IOD in the basket
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) a whirl?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) chris ambler was must be having a conniption right now
<NobuoSakiyama> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) (Java applet for scribe notes is unstable on my machine, so I simply joined #Scribe to get realtime scribe notes. This works fine).
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) take the sharp objects away from Chris!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) let
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) Hey ICANN why dopn't you come to my house and rob me
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) shoplift .web and run out if the store
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) let's go to court, and visit the pres candidates too
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) So much for the public. I guess we don't mean a thing to these people.
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) public hangings are still legal right? lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:47) Cerf please pick it back up for IOD
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:48) YEA!
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:48) keep the day job vint
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:48) no, the iod/afilias thing will be visited again later today
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:48) if IOD does not get .web; then only the .dir should be allowed
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:48) That was a damning comment by Kraaj
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:48) IN SECRET then we are really dooomed
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:48) notice how much easier they all talk now, now that they've kissed up to afilias
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:48) it was marcia... very scathing
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:49) And unbelievable
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:49) Someone should have said "I can't believe afilias was even allowed to apply"
<GiorgioViali> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:49) hi
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:49) marcie will be talking to Congress LOL
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:49) Start with the technical side, what a concept
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:49) Afilias is such a lovely warm fuzzy name. Who couldn't love it?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:49) I missed it, what did Kraaj say?
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) These people should be in a jail not on a board.
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) They are all HAPPY now - got that BRIBERY out of the way
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) why is vint asking these questions? Hasn't he actually READ the applications?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) That IOD goes against everything ICANN has worked for for two years
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) I can hear the cash registers ringing from here!
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) two years of "technical coordinaton" ?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) ICANN should be ashamed
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) that's what I've been wondering for two days now, Richard.....
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) It's important to remember that DOC, not ICANN re-engineered NSI.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) we are the internet Hear us
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:50) JDS - these are the type of people who do not feel shame
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) how come no one mentioned that KEN STUBBS is chairman of the NAMES committee and also represents Afilias?????
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) ICANN did *nothing*
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) I think there are enough insider deals to suggest that the process was unfair.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) agreed Anthony
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) ditto
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) I knew deep inside that this would happen. I want litigation or Congress involved
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) Those who know me can now appreciate why I focus on that foxy lady ester - nothing else they do is worth while.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) cute Joe
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:51) but beyond nerds like us and the occasional article from theregister.co.uk etc, who's caring, anthony?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) Richard/Ray, its been clear to me he didn't read the completed apps, or even the application questionnaire ... he was as unfamiliar with the questions the Staff Report answered, as he is with the individual applications.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) Why is TOUTON playing such a prominent role when he is jsut the General Counsel
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) touton.god
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) i care and you don't even know me
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) touton is an icann staffer and iana staffer
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) for the upcoming litigation JDS
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) POLITICS nothing more
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) Because Touton is the power behind the throne
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:52) touton.ibm
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) touton.in.court
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) that's what we want- 10,000 to flower
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) touton.disbarred
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) kraaj is ignoring their stated preference!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) Picture esther sitting on the throne ... Louis is the throne ... in a certain context, makes an interesting visual.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) lol
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) Folks, please remember to keep the discussion on topic.
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) yep
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) They would effectively put IOD out of business if they allow another .web. It is as if they stole our money direct
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) sure, anderson consulting can't be bought....
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) See the introduction message ("civil discourse" section) if you're unsure as to the parameters of this space.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:53) we're doing as well as they are
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) touton.in.jail
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) So who's reading Chris' comments?
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) so is it all over for Image Online?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) why didn't IOD get this kind of correct coverage????
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) Judith - woof woof - Ester bouncing up and down on touton is not the greatest picture I can imagine - she can ride my roller coaster any time and so can touton
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) This is like getting the radio show host to read your commercial ...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) ICANN doesn't follow the rules why should anyone else lol
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) Baptista, this is you first warning. Your last comment is inappropriate for this forum.
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) see ziff davis article published today about icann and the congressman
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:54) IOD should say that they'll hire Jones Day
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) hahaha john
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) Johnny Cochrane!
<Richard_Sexton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) melvin belli
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) thanks, Ben
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) chris didn't think that was funny
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) No technical coordination NOT policy
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) promote diversity....read give it all to NSI
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) Touton is the plant of IP interests, follow the money, and you'll understand what ICANN is about
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:55) Ben, was that directed toward me? Sorry, I got carried away ... my apologies.
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:56) <BenjaminEdelman> Baptista, this is you first warning. Your last comment is
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:56) inappropriate for this forum.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:56) This sin't over by a long shot, 19 people running cyberspace is flawed
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:56) hey Touton, isn't that considered 'on the fly'?>
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:56) what does ester dyson know about business viability?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:56) The ny times gives away new news and charges for it when it's stale, great business model
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:56) where is the Consensus they pride themselves of being all about?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) Consensus...read...ignore the pubic comments
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) tomorrow, the BITNET coup begins... :)
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) what about IOD's Intellectual property?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) Simon, URL for ZD article?
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) Ben - if you want to give me warning please subcontract them to someone else - I have no interest in listening to you - the last time we were here you lied to me. You lied in public - you have non of my respect. Get Rebbcca Nesson to warn me - and stuff you warning up your ass - It's OK to slime this board
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) watch it develop jds ;-) they'll all be content by 3pm...
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) Theye didn't even consider that Afilias say that their business plann is applicable to all three of their choises.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) Baptista, you used profanity in your most recent message.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) That too is not appropriate here.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:57) This is your final warning.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) With your next inappropriate comment,
<BIFF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) HEY WHYT IS WRONG WITH BITNET? IT IS AWSOME?!?!?
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) I'll be obliged to ask you to leave the forum, and I'll use all available technical measures to assure that you do so.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) ben & joe, please go private
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) Biff, no argument from me.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) Again, folks, please see the explanatory text at the start of this forum
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) for a reminder of the appropriate tone of discussion here.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) for what I am being robbed out of I might as well get myself tossed BEN lol
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:58) Lots of profanity has been used here over the last two days - I've seen no warning from your ben - and stop sending me private messages in IRC - you want to say something - do it in public - this board desearves our profanity
<BIFF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:59) we dont need to see you slap Joe, Ben. If it is Joe that is. I heard he wasn't around today.
<BIFF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:59) John is right. do it in private
<BIFF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:59) .sex isn't commercialy viable? too rich? This is technical coordination?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:59) .sucks
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 12:59) My scribe is stuck
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:00) I am not interested in private talk with someone who has lied to me in public.
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:00) afilias.sucks
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:00) "the board is not in the business of promoting free speech" says esther
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:00) AfiliasSucks.com
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:00) It is in the business of protecting commercial trademark entitlement. Oh, I get it now.
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:00) there we go affilias.sucks is profanity - have you warned him too Ben
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:00) Not interested in free speech, but IP protection, that's important
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:00) some lucky guy/gal owns that gem
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:01) heh Judith, you beat me
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:01) To even thin about taking away someones work of 5 Years is beyond me
<BIFF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:01) haha, good one gary
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:01) lol cow
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) what did they pick tucows already
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) BINGO. So maybe they should let the market decide. duh ...
<BIFF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) let's ignore the fact that free speech is guarenteed by the US constitution, what's important - clearly here, is the TM stuff DOC made they talk about
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) daah .web
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) YES
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) including NSI
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) great point from esther
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) Where is Chris Ambler?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) yeah I guess the first amendment needs a clause, free speech only when its not treading on tms
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) spit it out Esther
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:02) maybe it should be
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:03) In front of me, JDS, can I slap him for you? ;-)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:03) one tld per app isn't the same as one string per registry ... huh?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:03) I feel for him I really do I couldn't imagine the frustartion
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:03) per applicant or per application?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:03) JDS, this may all be a waste of time
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:03) those apps that use tucows as registry won't conflict...
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:03) i'm surprised Ambler is not on chat with us.
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:03) ICANN make recommendation, DoC make decision
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) IOD has jumped through every hoop when asked what a crock
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) Geeesh - No wonder they havn't gotten anything done in the past two years
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) Chris has commitment of my allowance and milk money - I will go without - to help fund his court case ...
<JohnFrangie> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) Chris is sitting right next to me.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) Hello Mr Frangie
<JohnFrangie> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) Hello
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) Fockler: "every company is supporting free speech." what?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) hurrah for larry :) says dyson
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) John, are you there physically?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:04) I have felt for some time that other avenues will need to be explored
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:05) One problem with IOD application is that it's a bit lame - it was tailored for ICANN and not for IOD
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:05) http://www.open-rsc.org/icannot.pdf
<JohnFrangie> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:05) Yes
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:05) Keep posting that URL
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:05) they all are, Joe
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:05) it isn't over until the fat lady sings
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:05) I know that IOD has wanted to do everything asked of them but this is FIXED
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:05) I know they all are - that's a mistake.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:06) when writing an ICANN app (and I worked on a couple) you don't write what is best for thr Internet you write what you thinik ICANN will accept. That's why they all have that stoopid sunrise in them
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:06) IOD works for me Keep it simple
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:07) i agree with ORSC???
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:07) #scribe
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:07) #Scribe
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:07) grr
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:07) yeah considering that just about every word in the english language has some sort of trademark on it...
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:07) help?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:08) what is going to be left to register lol
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:08) That was a mistake - one of my main objections is with the wording in most applications - in the case of IOD they were applying to be a TLD - well they already are a TLD and they have obligations which superceed ICANN agreements - if not legal at least moral. They were first.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:08) ORSC - pretty good copy, clean, simple
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:08) who owns Linda?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:08) They've got to replace the basket with a shopping cart
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:08) heh
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:08) I dare ICANN to pick another .web, cause they will be in for a surprise
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:08) brb
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) This Linda woman is pretty good.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) no, amazon has a patent on the shopping cart thing
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) oops forgot
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) amazon.basket
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) is that an underwater basket?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) Nothing is in the friggin basket. I think they are waiting until they can operate in secret
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) Course, I'm just glad to se her speak... I have never seen her talk in 2 years.
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) underwater basketweaving
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:09) how funny yeah right .
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) these are all basket cases.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) amazon, your source for books, cds, cars, furniture, and now, tlds
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) they asked him to pick 3
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) not one
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) we don't need ICANN. They are a mess
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) ...and then on easter morning, the TLD bunny will fill everyone's basket with treats
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) pick 3? is this a lotto?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) haha
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) course we've askd Paul to pick 3 for 4 years :-)
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) Why does Vint have headphones on? Who is he listening to?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) Hey, it's the esther bunny!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) vint is deaf
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) see the faq
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:10) Vint's hard of hearing.
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:11) so that takes care of him listening :) Lets hope the aid is turned on
<sa> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:11) 3 of the 118 the applied for.. not a lottery
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:11) he's not the only one there with that problem
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:11) Ben maybe you should add that to the heade since it gets asked hourly "The guy with the headphonse is Vint Cerf. He is almost completely deaf"
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:11) some are blind, too
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:12) no, in a lottery there is at least one winner. ICANN has no authoprity to add a name to the root zone remember
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:12) lottweries don't work by them picking a winner than having to have the DOC approve it
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:12) Andrew looks a little healthier than in Yokohama
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:12) whose the weasely guy?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:12) which one?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) the bald weasel is touton
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) well semibald
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) no the guy that looks like an accuntant
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) PUt IOD in the basket before I become a basket case lol
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) good suggestion jds
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) IOD is gone now
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) he is so bald I can see what he is thinking
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) time to organize
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:13) The "basket" has not been voted on yet
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) oh no, do we get music now?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) Put IOD into the basket folks
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) simon, can I see a bs button on camera?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) This is discussion, not voting
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) is IOD in the basket??
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) whether they get put into the basket or not - they are clearly not going to vote for them
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) no
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) so did anyone get into the basket
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) iod is not in the basket
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) Hey Ben "bald weasel" is that not defamitory - or do you descriminate on defamation - some is good some is bad
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) jvteam .biz
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) yeah sinmon go over the camera and say hi
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) jvteam .biz is the only one in the basket
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:14) No voting has happened yet!
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) show yourself simon
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) afilias is in - this was decided long ago
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) they make me laugh wanting to throw IOD and afilias in this "basket" sounds like Gores Lockbox
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) alright, a Disney theme track
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) music?!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) afilias made the basket
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) now there is music, ugh
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) is this from Lion King or Pocahauntis?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) it is not clear to me that afilias was in the basket
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) I think they asre delaying and will do this in secret were they are comfortable
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) the writing is on the wall - not in the basket
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:15) this is not lion king
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) Other then IOD getting #$&* did I miss anything?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) Little Mermaid?
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) I put on a different song for you folks. I didn't like that one either!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) put the bald guy in the basket
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) right, this is all discussion. the 'basket' will be voted on at the end of discussion , right?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) not really, except the basketweaving
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) hahah, thanks Ben. Got any Grateful Dead?
<DenaWhitebirch> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) LOL, Ben.
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) playing a disney song... isn't disney in afilias somehow?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) These people really &^%$% my future plans
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) subliminal rap.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) hey, who was that with the ORSC sign?
<Pinsel> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) Sieht schlecht aus für IOD...
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) i just did, they cut me off
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) me
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:16) yes it does look bad pinsel
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) I saw the sign, simon, but I didn't see the button... thanks anyway
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) The disneyfication of the net is complete
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) WE MAY HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THE DNS BUT BY GOD WE CONTROL THE MUSIC
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) censorship exists
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) ah.... vincent guaraldi...
<Pinsel> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) Sorry, wrong channel..
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) i just got censored
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) I thought orsc_ was richard
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) brought to you by dolly madison snack cakes
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) they thew afililas in the basket and IOD in the toilet bowl
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) I thought it was too
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:17) If they can screw over IOD there is really nothing they won't do
<JEAN> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:18) we built this net on rock n roll
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:18) i'm giving 8 : 5 odds that no one will be in the basket by the end of the day, and there will be a gunfight.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:18) back... so- has anyone heard what ambler is doing right now?
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:18) he is playing the piano
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:18) http://www.open-rsc.org/ can this mean a public internet? IOD hosting all TLDs?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:18) lol lewco
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:18) Probably upset and rightfully so
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:19) what are edward markey and louis capps doing about all this?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:19) UNbelievable... yet, predictable at the same time
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:19) Part of you wanted to have faith but the rest saw the writing on the wall
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:19) exactly
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:19) Wonder who Ken Stubbs is having his coffee with...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:19) They are all laughing.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:19) how tall is Ken with all his hats on?
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) I didn't know if they could come and shit on me to my face - and they did - it shows me ICANN's balls
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) lol
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) excuse my language
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) No jd, IOD does not host all tlds
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) I say 'cut em off'
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) lol jd
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) I will say this for those of us that are IOD registrants I think we will be the biggest thorn in ICANN side from this dau forward
<JCrider> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) Does someone know where the agenda is for this meeting that details what will be going on?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) ORSC published a competative root zone that points to many duifferent tlds
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) i agree w/your earlier comment JDS...
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) I think this will be icanns undoing
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:20) All US ppl here need to contact their congressmen today and tomorrow
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) agenda at:
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) "publishes"
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) TY Marcia - as a Brit i'm counting on you!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) publishes, not publish
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) edward markey - MA
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) http://www.icann.org/mdr2000/http://www.icann.org/mdr2000/http://www.icann.org/mdr2000/icann.org/mdr2000/
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) man fire the "DJ"
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) Yes most in Congress are clueless to ICANN and I think they will be pissed if they find that ICANN has more power than them so to speak
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:21) louis capps - CA
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) Is there a place that IOD registrants can meet? A website or somthing? To follow up on this.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) yes, when made aware of ICANNs moves, they will take steps
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) yeah please, I turned down the sound so I can mercifully not hear it
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) anybody know who is Y?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) most of these directors are clueless and h=getting a free ride
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) NY?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) I'll make sure our new REPs in MN know what's up --
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) afilias.tv check it out!!!!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) brb
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) Lee, there will probably be posts on webtld.com (I'm guessing but it seems to make sense)
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:22) great Kristy
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) ICANN lives in the Internet of yesterday and their arrogance will be their undoing
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) lou's site? lol
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) Thank you marcia.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) I've been educating my reps in SC all week
<NobuoSakiyama> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) (Agenda is at: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/agenda-bm-111600.html but this may be useless)
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) Clarification, please-- is Touton actually a Board Member according to ICANN?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) Orsc, I assume that's Richard, would it not be possible to gateway orsc thru a root addies so all can get it?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) no
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) no - touton is general councel
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:23) but he acts like one
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) he should not have been allowed to make comments aloud
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) i sent a complaint to BBC News in UK - they're online is factually incorrect
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) lewco... what do u think cows doing right now?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) brb
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) all can get it right now Gary, see http://support.open-rsc.org
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) oh- there ya are dave
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) It is deplorable in this day and age that an org like ICANN in it's current form is around
<JCrider> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) MatthewPappas - I tried the references you gave but it said the page could not be found.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) youre being quiet : (
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) agreed JDS
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:24) http://www.icann.org/mdr2000/
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:25) cow is licking my toes at the moment and cant talk
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:25) lol
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:25) i wonder if chris is getting ahold of the board members
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:25) I hope he is
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:25) Yes, we know Touton is Counsel but does he have official Board Member status as well according to ICANN? Anyone know for sure? Document?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:25) me too
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:25) is that twocows or one?
<JCrider> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:26) Thanks
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:26) If I were Chris, I'd demand an official apology in the next segment for Kraaj's comment
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:26) which comment marcia?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:26) i think i missed it- what was it, marcia?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:26) Lewco?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:26) No, Len, he is not a board member... the board can listen to whoever they want in order to make up their minds
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:26) i see lawsuits in my future
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) complete board: http://www.icann.org/general/abouticann.htm
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) Denise, that IOD goes against everything ICANN has been working towards for 2 years
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) wow
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) Kraaj want to impose a socialist view onto the DNS. We fought for years to get rid of thr Russian "planned economy"
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) the net won't work now that ICANN took the handles
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) Thanks, John. And you are certain of this?
<Lewco> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) just joking cow
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) we should check were their money comes from
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) Gary, the handles will move
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) Yes, I am certain Len. Ben, I thought we overdid Dylan yesterday already
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:27) Len: http://www.icann.org/general/abouticann.htm
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:28) are they going to have a lunch break or send out for sandwiches? anybody know?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:28) susgi
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:28) sushi
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:28) These people make me sick
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:28) louis touton is Vice-President, Secretary, and General Counsel
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:29) I guess i'll have to go back to spam to get people to my site.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:29) Len, if you didn't see my posting yesterday, re touton: http://www.tbtf.com/roving_reporter/jdrp.html
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:29) not a director
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:29) Thanks, Andrew. That is what is confusing me-- doesnt "Vice President" suggest that Touton IS a Board Member?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:29) no
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:29) no
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:29) no... obviously he can speak today though.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:30) please see the link andrew put up above; touton IS NOT on the board
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:30) no... an officer is not a director (can be, but not inherent)
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:30) obviously - where's the parlimentarian?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:30) hes an executive, not on the board of directors. He's staff.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:30) somebody needs to refresh them on parlimentarian procedure
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:31) outrageous that 5 at large dirs not appointed yet
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:31) agreed andrew
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:31) Yes, Gary. But how does that clarify the VP handle for Touton? Sorry the 4am start didnt work after the 1am finish last night.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:31) get ready for it, he only ever drops bombshells
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:31) everything else done in secret what a joke
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:31) a VP is an officer.... not a director
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:31) See above what John is saying and put it together
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:32) gac=general acounting committee?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:32) governmetn advisory committee
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:32) anyone have scribe?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:32) duh, thanks.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:33) okay, there it goes
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:33) govt officials from various govts -
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:33) url for this?
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:33) Is that twomey?
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:33) It's Ambassador Twomey, aka "his excellency" !!!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:33) yes
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) hey he said "gak"
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) These two reports are linked off of the agenda
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) CORRUPTION my word for the year
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) ic thx
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) Good God - hes as fat as a house - what happened to him - he was skinny only three months ago. must be the stress of loosing a job.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) Hey, does that make him a mr. E. Twomey?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) no, he always looked like that
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) diversity and choice what a joke
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) stability means no change
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:34) really - it must be the angle - I never saw his chins before
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:35) It's his haircut
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:35) Sorry folks, not enough sleep, but is there actually a President (eg Roberts)? No?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:35) ... risk of speculation... ?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:35) yes, you'll notice that roberts and touton are at one short table facing the board
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:35) Robesrts is president. Esther is chairman.
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:36) Twomey has left his previous position with Australian Govt and is "consulting" with his USA equivalent who has also left US govt to "consult"
<Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:36) jim fleming's on a roll - my mailbox just filled up
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:37) twomey did not leave - he was shown the door and his resignation was recommended to him - he took the recommendation
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:37) Twomey was also appointed "ambassador to the Internet" by the Australian Gov't.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:37) Does that get him a seat at the UN?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:37) Twomey is an IP mouthpiece
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:37) no
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:37) lol
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:38) The ITU and WIPO are on the GAC; as 2 of the 3 founders of the gTLD-MoU they're just reiterating that plan over and over again
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:38) it keeps repeating like a raw onion
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:39) hahah, nsi decided to do multilingual one day. the ietf quickly scrabled to pick it up
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:39) ascii no questions and I'll telnet no lies
<Quasar-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:39) If they change some of the ccTLDs to "gTLDs", then they have also established a precedent for two letter gTLDs, right?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:40) Good point Quasar, VERY good point
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:40) just got on. Who's speaking?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:40) WIPO letter space?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:40) so wipo.sucks is out?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:40) Twomey, GAC
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:40) He did say WIPO letter space, right?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) Hey, that's EMPEROR Twomey to you buddy
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) Regardless.... we need to keep the right to parody and critisism
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) traitors to democracy
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) a year ago, icann seemed very against the transfer of cctld to gtld. now who knows...
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) WIPO does not recognize US Constitutional rights
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) Last sleepy question-- does Touton have an Australian accent?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) parody and critisism is not a US right.. it is a human right
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) Yes
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:41) WIPO/GAC global governance does not recognize consitutional rights of individual nation states.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:42) If this is the work that applicants are getting it is a joke
<BRoseman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:42) touton is not australian
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:42) It's the new world oder
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:42) Leah, where's that URL?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:42) he just sounds like one
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:42) where is he from gary?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:43) can't remember, he's a child of the global village
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:43) GAC?? what about all the applicants
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:43) Lisa, IOD got knocked out of the running
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:43) new world order: http://www.icbtollfree.com/cyberhq.html
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:43) Gary, is that yes to Touton has oz accent?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:43) Dave we knew it all along
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:43) really, I hadn't heard. What happened?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:43) JDS< I wasn't asking you what you knew bud
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) I was telling Lisa what happened
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) ah, now here's the excuse to delay everything until WIPO II is out, just like when they delayed until WIPO I was out in Berlin
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) and I wasn't neing a wiseass
<Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) lisa don't worry:
<Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/reports/gmsv/
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) when did this happen Dave?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) yes, it is a commonwealth accent anyway
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) Lisa, related to Chris? sorry if it's a stupid question.
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:44) wife
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:45) congrats.
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:45) BRoseman, where is Touton from?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:45) Is he saying WIPO II is a done deal?
<BRoseman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:45) I can't remember, but it's somewhere in the States
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:45) Touton is in CA
<BRoseman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:45) he now lives in Los Angeles
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:46) To my understanding, no one has been excluded yet. What has happened, though, is that there was much more disfavor with IOD than favor.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:46) Cerv V Twomey - interesting.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:46) I was impressed with Fockler and Cerf, they recgonize IOD as the Pioneer
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:46) from the board Marcia? It seems that the public supports IOD strongly
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:47) Maybe Twomey will succeed in turning the board against TM protection overall.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:47) Yes, from the board. It's the exact opposite with the public.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:47) Hang in there John!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:47) TOUTON kept at it being against IOD
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:47) Is IOD out or do they still have a chance at all?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) No voting was done yet, to my understanding.
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) improbable though
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) They have rights is the way I see it. ICANN can do this the easy way or the hard way
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) Either way thanks to you and your husband lisa.
<JohnFrangie> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) IOD still feels alive
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) agreed, JDS
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) here here Lee...
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) agreed John, and I'll do all I can to help keep it that way
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:48) look it up in the dictionary mR roberts fair and euitable treatment
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:49) If ICANN upsets the public and the CCtlds often enough... they will just switch to an alternative root
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:49) I've never seen Twomey do so bad. Usually he's supremely confident and slick. He appears to be bumbling
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:49) Has Twomey disclosed his "consulting" clients and ought he to?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:49) No len
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:49) he's like stubbs, he doesn't have to
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:50) yes we are
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:50) ... and thanks to the board for beating him up. Dismissed Paul.
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:50) new gtlds things again !
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:50) Stubbs is in hiding laughing
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:50) Letters.... incoming
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:50) gac communique is over
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:50) I like Esther today she won't let it die that is encouraging
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:50) Is anyone specifically aware of who Twomey's consulting clients are at this time?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) will ORSC and ICANN ever make the 9news? or will the Network Admins of the world all learn abot ORSC? I'll tell every one i know about ORSC, but i know only a few persons that can make a change....
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) In case anybody hadn't heard, Twomey and Ira Magaziner have formed a company to do Interent consulting
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) Ester has done alot of damage to her reputation. She has to make up.
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) Judith, like your quote in Wired
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) so will Vint take over Esther's position when she leaves?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) I think so
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) there is no truth to the rumor that VRx is buying Afilias
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) Note Roberts comment re "global commercial ccTLDs" ... see http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4766
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) Probably to Kendall (related to Keith?)
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:51) I don't know Baptista.. did you see the article on her in the new Wired?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:52) yes Gary... nephew
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:52) Thanks Lisa. (Did he correct the spelling of my name yet? <grin>)
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:52) do you have a url kendall and i'll check
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:52) It's a good bet Kendal. Jim Fleming predicted it 2 years ago. A more cynical view would have it that if you want to know what's going on today look to see what Jim Fleming said 2 years ago
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:52) say hi, big fan
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:52) no Baptista... in the dead paper version
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:52) which face will be eating it?
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:52) Yes, openrootserver host, but consulting to WHOM? Is that known? Does Magaziner have to disclose any of this on USA public recors anywhere?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:53) No known Len
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:53) I don't kill trees - sorry - i've worked so hard to get rid of paper in my life - but give me the version number and i'll drop by the library today
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:53) I got it in the mail yesterday...new Wired has a whole spread on ICANN and Esther tec..
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:53) TOUTON must go
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:53) ok - current - thanks
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:53) its the Dec issue
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:53) great - thank you Kendall - i'll look it up
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:54) what the heck is a PID?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:54) joe wonders if there's a pinup
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:54) Issue 8.12
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:54) This basket thing sounds like gores lockbox LOL
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:54) a pinup of ester (watch as ben takes a plonk)
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:54) of course Ken Stubsss I am just waiting
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:54) Hey all Jim is in Cyberville if you'd like to verify anything
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:55) oh no, the basket situation again
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:55) .name? does he mean .nom?
<Quasar-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:55) no there is .name and .nom Two different applications.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:55) Wasn't jvteam using NSI as registry?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:55) I thought jvteam is in already
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:55) under .biz
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:56) they are for now
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:56) jvteam was going to use NSI at the start up, and then move away later....
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:56) wow no one going out of their way to condem the ap what a joke
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:56) iiiii'm not your steppin stone
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:56) does anybody get this .iii submission? It doesn't really seem that attractive to me
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:56) hey Kraaij, how would you know .name has international support? You don't listen to the public.
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) I would never use a .iii, thats lame.
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) too much what color?!
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) I think PID was something once suggested by Rick Harris
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) what about .i? that's what they originally poposed
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) dot PID? pelvic inflammatory disease? huh?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) what the heck is a PID doomed for failure
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) lol
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) I thought that wqas .pod Joe
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:57) touton: "sense a feeling" ????
<Quasar-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:58) I liked .i as a single letter. I am not versed on what technical challenges they believe it might face.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:58) there aren't any
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:58) I don't think that a one letter name would fly.... they were forced to revise it
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:58) if you can't figure out what it is without someone explaining then it sucks
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:58) political though...
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:58) no - he also had some others - i'm sure i remember pid - Harris is not in the isp investors conferences flogging him worldshield(tm) tlds - he stopped calling them etlds
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:58) jds correct
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:58) I think a one letter TLD is brilliant
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) These people have *not* done their homework, for $50,000 a hit ... unbelievable
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) why do you think it's brilliant?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) Absolutely correct
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) If we get .dada do we get .mama to? http://yo.mama
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) I'm glad this important discussion hinges on how comfortable Touton's underware is
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) agreed- exactly my thoughts, judith
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) agreed Judith
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) http://ester.dyson.mama
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) one letter tlds save typing.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) and storage
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) I have learned more in one year than I am witnessing here
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) i dislike typing
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 13:59) http://big.ester.mama
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:00) cerf is totally in the dark here...
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:00) pappas.mammas
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:00) co click kristy ;)
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:00) :)
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:00) i like the idea of non anglosaxon characters being able to be used
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:00) .boycott
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:00) It goes to show why this is fixed no other board members have no comment and you knwo they no less about thse choices
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) what the hell is a PID
<Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) .[ctrl]-[alt]-[delete]
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) personal id
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) brb
<sa> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) personal id or people id... forgot
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) oh man, he is less than clueless
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) i wonder whether they even use the internet
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) It sucks
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) I like ICANN.sham
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) me too
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) jvteam's application was accepted a day after the deadline.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:01) the guy asnweeing cerf is making things up on the fly that have absolutley no bvasis in reality
<Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) enough with the complements
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) it will do as well as some crappy cctld
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) what pid is for ?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) mama.dada
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) pid = person in distress
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) "Personal IS" I believe
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) replacement of email address ?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) ID sorry, not IS
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) either is IOD's RRP
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) pid.dle
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) pid - sounds a bit ominous lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:02) "sense a feeling" ... "risk reduction mode" ... between what they say live and what they're telling reporters, these people are a headline writer's delight ...
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) PIS as opposed to PID - http://www.dyson.pis/
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) we deserve better
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) lol@judith
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) stu.pid
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) i like that one
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) yeah
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) :)
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) he he
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) I'd buy that one
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) they want proof of concept how hypocritical what is IOD
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) yes, judith- i cant wait to see what u write on all of this! lol : )
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) hahaha, that's a winner. that's one of those domain that you could make a fortune on selling third level domains
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:03) agreed judith; i'm so glad this is all archived
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) twomey.is.stu.pid
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) esther.is.stup.pid
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) .whatever, why does it matter what it used for.... there are more then one .com not realted to "company"....
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) Mr Roberts is proposng something not even proven yet they dismiss IOD
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) Marcia, truly ...
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) Hi CHris
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) Hey hon
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) well - ben is doing a good job of censoring all this filthy url talk
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) Hello Mr Ambler
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:04) Welcome Chris.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) Just got my wireless connection re-installed.
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) Hi Chris
<anon855> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) l
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) well - ben is doing a good job of censoring all this filthy url talk - NOT
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) *.is.stu.pid, ya that's a winner R
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) Hi Chris.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) Chris, they vote at the end, right?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) pid.v6
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) Hello chris. Thanks for all your hard work.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) These people haven't a clue
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) Chris - any publishable thoughts?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) I have no idea of the format.
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:05) Chris, are you able to share with us what that letter you passed to ICANN says?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:06) The basket is waiting
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:06) I am distressed that they were basing their discussion on incorrect information. The letter was the one that was posted to the public comment forum. Apparently, the board never read it.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:06) As I've stated earlier, it seems Kraaij owes IOD a public apology for his remark.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:06) did jvteam and sarnoff go in subject to them being together, or did they go in as separate applications
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:06) Some on this board haven't done any homework and are relying on the biased faction in ICANN who did the staff report
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:06) dunno john
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:06) The merger was announced yesterday.
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:07) ARe we 100% out of the running on this round, Chris?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:07) It also seems that they were willing to work with other applicant's making changes, but IOD's changes were frowned on
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:07) seperate... i think
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:07) My take is that nothing is set in stone until they're done. With that said, I'm not optimistic.
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:07) bf is sending more info on the "circulated paper" soon
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:07) That is a major change to a application yet it is ok who would figure
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:07) Which is right back to a Bylaws violation
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:07) so is IOD
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) John - "circulated paper"?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) did anyone lose audio?
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) no
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) to witness a travesty
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) never had it ;) relying on scribe
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) somebody in the audience was speaking- maybe that's why your audio was affected
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) exactly jd
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) the audience is here to watch
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:08) The audience cannot speak, this is ICANN remember
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:09) go knows they ICANN might learn something
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:09) or- ask Qs w/o answers
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:09) a disgruntled audience member who didn't get to speak yesterday?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:10) Vint gets it, now if he'd just straighten his glasses
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:10) :)
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:11) vint is guessing. if he has to guess that does not bode well. what if he guessed wrong?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:11) you know he's listening to Britney Spears on those headphones.
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:11) n-sync...
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:11) brb
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:11) looks more like a blues guy to me...
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:11) Bets on what wins?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:11) Vint started out in favor of IOD, then quickly changed gears once Touton stated NSI's "opinion"
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:11) My reading was it's not entirely unlike dynip
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:12) Matt, Vint has told me that it's easier for him to hear via headphones.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:12) Accordingly, he has asked me to provide them to him.
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:12) Ben, i was just kidding.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:12) They provide only the same audio going to the meeting speakers and webcast.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:12) What about competition? NSI should be barred from all proceedings
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:12) first come first server on domain names, why not the same for tlds? past the single and two letter ones...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:12) I hope Fockler or Cerf brings IOD up again
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) yes!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) It's a two edged swod Kendall; they have absolutley the most experience
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) Budget shouldn't come into play..
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) sword
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) Chris, assuming IOD doesn't get added to the Holy Basket, is it your opinion that they will exclude .web on this round? Or give it to Afilias....based on what you heard earlier from the board.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) yes and the biggest monopoly
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) Comments or suggestions please. Court of ICANN Governance is considering appropriate penalty for ICANN's non-compliance with Order to remove non-elected directors and failure to let newly-elected diectors speak.
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) Ben, have they indicated that the meeting might go beyond 3pm?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:13) a bigger monopoly than ICANN?
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:14) interesting thing about headphones is that if necessary he can claim in a court they interffered with his hearing - or "but your honour - there were technical difficulties - no wonder I made a bobo"
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:14) funded by an IPO, as if
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:14) they don't make as much as NSI has...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:14) Cerf actually seems like one who doesn't have some hiddenagenda
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:14) well, yeah, but then NSI actually provides a service
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:14) Penalty under consideration is global boycott of ICANN and redirection campaign to non-ICANN-controlled net (root server?)
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:14) If I was the board I would think it prudent to exclude
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) the point of ICANN was to *create* competition not expand NSI's business
<KanJohar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) I can't wait until IOD takes ICANN to court
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) hi Kendall
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) They don't care for now because of arrogance
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) Comments please on feasability of general migration to non-ICANN-controlled net?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) creayting competition is not technical coordination
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) hi Joanna.. were you in the chat yesterday?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) it seesm like nothing is getting done, most are not very prepared
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:15) I don't think it would be just IOD taking them to court.
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) some
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) agreed Lee
<KanJohar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) IOD, name-space, .kids, .xxx
<KanJohar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) but IOD primarily
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) are they going to pick any new tlds jeeeesh
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) ok, another missed basked attempt lol
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) i liked the telnic proposal. somebody find them and see if they want to be in the ORSC root
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) basket
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) I meant a court battle isn't all they'll have to be concerned with
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) why take them to court.... ORSC seams more then a viable solution to me.... IOD supporting ORSC or another RSC would be much more cost effective...
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) would need a massive media cooperation, then it could work
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:16) Well Len.. if the CCtlds don't get some satisfaction they are talking about creating their own root
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) i like the .tel concept, but haven't read the application.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) and what good does it do if afilias gets .web it ruins IOD
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) I have no idea why everyone wants to take ICANN to court - it's the DOC that is responsible.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) yes but they use ICANN as a front?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) I think the .web decision will be the final straw for quite a few people
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) anybody knows the current status of basket ?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) There's more to it than that, JDS
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) please let me know
<KanJohar> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) if IOD takes ICANN to court, at least then the public will come to realize what IOD is all about
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:17) agreed Kendall
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:18) with ICANNs history, final straw for many
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:18) i'm back - isupose nothing has happened
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:18) remember .tv got stiffed by ICANN too!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:18) which .kids
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:18) But Kendall, isnt there an alternative root already in place with a demonstrated "track record", etc -- orsc (any others)?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:18) I think Paul Garrin tried to sue NSI before.. but the courts decided that it was govt sponsored and thus untouchable
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:18) Page Howes'
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:18) I like it going against the staff report
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:19) true Len.. I didn't mean they would create one from scratch.. they would just switch and start using an alternative
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:19) no sex please, we're icann, but its ok to market .kids, maybe :)
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:19) those aren't technical questions
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:19) ICANN should be concerned with technical they are trying to make policy right now
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:19) Esther, stay out of social engineering
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:19) dyson is the only one up there that sounds like she has any sense
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:19) i agree JDS
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:19) lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) it is what it is
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) apparantly he's never heard of CNAME
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) the thing that strikes me is the arrogance of it all
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) It's not ICANN's position to decide social issues
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) seems like country codes would love to use a non-ICANN system
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) I can see their point on .kids but I think it's one we need. I'm not sure where I stand on that one.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) agreed biztld
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) ICANN better pay attention to the public or else they could politicize their way out of a job..
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:20) .tel and .kids and such ideas suggested by 3rd parties will go to the old boys net next time
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) .kids will have more porn than any of the others.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) If .kids did not deliver, it would fail
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) sex.kids will be worth millions
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) oh well
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) don't you think they would police themselves Matthew?
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) i agree and ignoring IOD support is the start of it
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) they want to make money, not be police
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) you can't police4 cntent in a tldf. NSI tried with .net and found it impossible
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) it does not scale
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) not them... but the parents who join and support it?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) NO, the start was ignoring directives set down for them 2 years ago
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:21) still doubt it.
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) Now if they set a fine for any porn and had the money from the fines go to ICANN then ICANN would aprove it.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) .Web is the best
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) Who is THIS guy?
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) who?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) It would be a monumental effort in futility.. but, I wouldn't want to get flamed by PO'ed members who want you out of .kids
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) .kid is hard to enforce, .xxx is easy.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) oled asian fellow
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) it would be so nice if they had name plates in front of them
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) older
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) He is more worried about not being late to dinner
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:22) rlm, ditto
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:23) difference with .kids is each sld owner would sign a contract that would hammer them if they broke it
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:23) Who would judge if they broke it?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:23) they would, they're a private business
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:23) the quality of tx is questionable, but i feel priveleged to he here
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:24) their yearly fee would have to be $5000 so they could afford to be judges
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:24) Openrootserver host, why does anyone need to bother with ICANN if the alternatives are already in place? Can ICANN impinge on the alternative system(s)? Or is the choice to go ICANN or non-ICANN a non-technical (political) one?
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:24) But it is world wide, and different cultures have different standards...
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:24) I think it is the path of least resistance so far Len.. but that could change
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:24) so like I said yesterday you use subdomains, *.culture.kids
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:24) Len, lets not fragment the internet..
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:25) most people don't know how to change their network settings to point to alt. DNS servers
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:25) Gary, that might be easier... but still tough.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:25) Ah, so Vint is reading email in realtime?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:25) These directors opposing IOD IMO are doing so for persoanl reasons we are not aware
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:25) portals, man portals arent making money!
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:25) I thought it was a conscious decision a few years ago to keep it simple
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:25) ask Dr. Koop
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:25) Lets all send cc vint on our comments
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:26) :)
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:26) i drive by the drkoop building all the time. it looks bad.\
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:26) so how do you send an email to vint right now?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:26) No, please, do not spam Dr. Cerf, ok?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:26) vcerf@mci.com isnt it?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:26) Kraje** is hot for .kids yet buries IOD?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:26) I was joking. please don't
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:26) .kids could be a logistical nighmare
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) remember www.law.tm for interesting ICANN reading
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) yes, but the point is, there are no comments from the room, there will be no remote comments today according to becca yet if you know Cerf you can send him your comments and apparantly people are
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) .kids is unworkeable but a monumental failure is what ICANN needs
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) .xxx is all you need.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) well if someone is doing it hit him with subliminal IOD lol
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) the goat farmers would claim the sole right to .kids
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) xxx is probably the most viable commercial tld lol
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) The more the merrier... there should be thousands of TLDs introduced.. just like Postel suggested. What harm does it do if someone wants .kids? Let them have what they want.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:27) gee, don't add any then. must control content, huh?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) i am sure that Cerf knows how to filter his email.... probally only reading the emails he wants... from email addresses he knows...
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) Sounds like that one is going in the waste basket.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) re: kids. the issue here isn't whether it would be a success or a failure, it is whether ICANN should even ask these questions, it's non-technical micromanagement
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) interesting contexttual interpratation. http://slaughter.kids is ok if you're talking about goats but boy oy boy takl about overload syntax
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) True. So we should open up .edu and .gov and .mil ?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) how many baskets are there now?
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) whatGary said
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) hey how about a .lol, that would be a good one I think
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:28) This is an important point to get right so please check this. Can any community, culture, country currently completely bypass the ICANN snafu and opeerate on the net in a "self-determining" way as of 16 Nov 2000?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) true, esther
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) they are like gods who have no one to answer to
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) if you use the ORSC root you can Len
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) first overt discussion of legal challenge
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) Virt is pro- kiddie pron!
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) lol
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) very true jds.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) oh good another guy that HASN'T READ the applications and apparanly DIDN'T LISTEN all day yesterday
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) fuzziness
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) yes abramsh.. why is .mil only for the us? why not canada.mil or UK.mil? I bet the army guys think otherwise
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) fuzzy math?
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) what qualifications do these people have to judge the potential of unchartered territory?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:29) another shot at palage from the vincester
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:30) It is difficult to find this degree of sheer ineptitude and incompetance anywhere else
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:30) kendall, so I should be able to get howard.mil ? At some point someone controls content on the TLD level..
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:30) we're certainly getting our money's worth watching
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:30) no... just military use for a country
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:30) let's make this a weekly series!!!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:30) Len, I have my concerns that as ICANN seeks to reduce ccTLD's to ICANN-contract clones, its next agenda may be to outlaw the original-root activity.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:30) trow em all in the basket LOL
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:30) not unless you own a military or a country
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) None Joanna, they were hand picked by Roger Cochetti of IBM (Now at Verisgn) and Ira Magaziner (who now has a consulting partership with Paul Twomey)
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) .sin ?
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) Kendall, exactly, so someone controls content based on TLD, so there is presedence for the ICANN to talk about uses for .kids
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) Cool ORSC site of the day: http://www.405.mov/
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) Yes Judith, I think thats the plan and has been for some time
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) not .banc again another NSI plant?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) their laughter at child pron comment will be noted
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) finland, obviously
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) hostmaster, is orcs the only way or could a community/country easily start their own today? And would any tech person have to agree with this proposition?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) It's time to get together and challenge all of this
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) http://lighting.faq
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) Is this video on mbone?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:31) http://chrono.faq
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:32) no mbone
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:32) they have spent more time on lesser desired categories than the Jewels
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:32) no mbone? What crap.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:32) on purpose, is my guess JDS
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:32) I agree biztld-ORSC
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:32) because it's relatively easy
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:32) In practical terms Len, yes
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:32) thxs ORSC host
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:33) who is registry pro? register.com?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:33) what did he say?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:33) registry pro wants .pro for either professionals or prostitutes I don't remember
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:33) the procedure seems arbitrary
<DavidS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:34) lol
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:34) lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:34) scripted all of it
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:34) i want barcelona.travel
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:34) whenitcomestoconflictinginterestsICANNboardis.pro
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:34) lol
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:35) protitutes are professionals and in many cases very competint
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:35) you said it baptista
<DavidS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:35) anyone know what tld's are in the basket
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:35) Well, hostmaster and all, doesnt this EXISTING WORKABLE ALTERNATIVE provide the factual basis for antitrus v ICANN in US and for UN Member Staetes in the ICJ, International Court of Justice?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:35) and quite legal in several countries, JOe
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:35) it seems like you back my tld I will back yours
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:35) esters a professional too
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:36) no, an existing workable alternative is evidence that there is competition
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:36) I'm confused how they could put forward trusted content (health, etc) yet not grant .kids?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:36) there has been some discussion about that Len, but until ICANN *does something* besides have meetings around the world there is no standing
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:36) Insurance companies have more money than kids lol
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:36) www.ester-sucks.pro
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:36) Yes John however someone taking an exsisting tld that operates on an alternative root and stealing it is wrong?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:36) doesn't it go to means of production in the marketplace John?
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:36) www.vint-sucks.pro
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:37) vint-surfs.pro
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:37) applying logic to these proceedings is a fundamentally flawed approach
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:37) shark.fin
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:37) www.vint.xxx.kids
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:37) (loan)shark.fin
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) cof.fin
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) he's one i'd like www.edleman.sucks
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) what about IOD supporters comments?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) oooh I like that one
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) you don't tell me what to do with your computers, and I won't tell you what to do with yours
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) sur.fin
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) whoops, that was garbled
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) Good point JDS.
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) rintin.fin
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) hmmm
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:38) Done something? Arent we watching ICANN doing more of the same thing now? Restricting tlds (cf let a thousand tlds bloom) inand defending a purported monopoly position ?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:39) ...and if ORSC has decided to carry or not to carry someone's pet TLD, then that person can sue ORSC too? I don't think so.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:39) Ya, and now esther is with US Steal
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:39) nice to see icann doesn't screw with the dhcp here
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:39) Should DNS look like USENET?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:39) i can reach all the orsc domain
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:39) Rebecca... are they going to take any online questions or comments today?
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:39) from the floor of the meeting
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:40) NOTHING should look like UseNet :-)
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:40) www.nic.web
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:40) oh my - what a comment by Wilson
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:40) sorry wrong window
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:40) ICANN looks like usenet
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:41) air turbulence
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:41) die.die.bork.bork.sex.alt
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:41) If they were concerned with competition we wouldn't have afilias and nuestar involved in this process
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:41) especially the "big guy"
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:41) agreed JDS
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:41) comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domain.really.confused
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:41) :)
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:42) bork.bork.bork.alt.swedish.chef.when.is.lunch.at this.shindig
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:42) cmo'n back to .web
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:42) And, if they were *really* concerned they wouln't allow the board members to be on the payroll of these companies
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:42) yeah, ORSC, but filtering is not hard in usenet, either
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:42) alt.sex.domains
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:42) JDS, they still have to cover special purpose and new services TLDs
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:42) you know they will pick .law
<Simon_Higgs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:42) lunch.is.served.during.meeting
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) corrupt.law
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) out.law
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) f.law
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) the lawyers all smile
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) c.law
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) coles.law
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) icann.is.out.law
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) mother.in.law
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) abovethe.law
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) nice.
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:43) out.law.icann
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:44) ignore.the.law
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:44) yes, ditto that.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:44) law.yers.decide
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:45) but, of course, most of these suggested TLDs are americanized.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:45) The longer this lasts, the more absurd it is revealed to be ...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:45) they will leave .web for behind closed doors
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:45) agreed Judith
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:45) in what way Matthew?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:45) oh, hasn't been tested software? but IOD running for 4 years goes overlooked
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) oh take a risk yet iod is proven
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) Did you all notice that the IPC has changed their evaluation of IOD, and now recommends that the board consider IOD for .Web? (and Afilias for .info)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) not overlooked, intentionally replaced ...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) really why
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) great news Chris!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) Chris, URL?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) .MD? Moldova?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) The board seems to have overlooked this.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) URL in a moment.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:46) now THATS news
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:47) http://www.icann.org/tlds/new-tld-ipc-revised-15nov00.htm
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:47) ya, md is moldovia if that was the question
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:47) Chris, is that in the email you sent them?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:47) maybe they seen the hypocrisy
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:47) i met the .md guys in Berlin. They're not bad.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:47) aud/vid feed died...
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:47) Chris, do you think the board members have read this recommendation?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:47) Smart... they don't want a large-scale jihad on their hands
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:48) lf just now.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:48) sorry...
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:48) I don't know if they've read it, I was just made aware of it myself just now.
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) what about Unicode TLDs?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) anybody else have a dead aud/vid feed? Or is it just me?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) They've actually spent surprisingly little time discussing IP-protection considerations.
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) u
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) just you
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) the function and profession of law is quite different in Israel and the Vatican and the U.S., etc... this applic is premature.
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) agreed
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) what difference does it make to other countries to have .law- it only makes sense for english speaking countries
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) ???
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:49) just go with .bar for barrister, .sol for solicitor in future
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) .sol in the US would be shit out of luck
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) net.sol
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) I was just thinking that
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) he he
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) feed back
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) :)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) pine.sol
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) why not just .barrister or .solicitor - more descriptive
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:50) yes pine.sol would be more useful
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:51) I understand "biz" means something 'special' in Great Britian, anyone know for sure?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:51) not to my knowledge. Simon?
<Simon_Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:51) show biz
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:51) put it off
<Simon_Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:51) same as in Hollywierd
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:51) How about .parasites (should cover most of the non-human-rights-lawyers)?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:51) hahah
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) basket, shopping cart, lock box, .....
<Simon_Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) It's the "biz"
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) .slipandfall
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) .ambulancechaser
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) look how easy unbelievable
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) hey, there are lots of GOOD intellectual property lawyers: berryhill, barry, oppedahl, faysset etc
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) oh man, the basket actually has something in it
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) .whatkindacrapisthat?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) Earlier Cerf said, "We don't want to repeat the US situation of congress passing laws that don't apply to itself." Itself being congress or the U.S.?
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:52) icann.museum
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) that was really funny
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) .air ? That's good for maybe 100 registrations
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) So much for nicely defined ... dot air versus hot air ...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) wow he did a lot of thought on .air
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) bad.air
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) h.air
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) clean.air
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) fresh.air
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) pure.air
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) how about .web ?
<Simon_Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) .airhead
<Quasar-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) If they have no technical sybroadcast.air ?
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) lame. I would never use that.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) shooting.the.breeze
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) on.the.air
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) hey man, selling .air for $50K is a major marketing coup
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) .tree
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:53) polluted.air
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) how about .silly
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) yet.another.ICANN.bad.h.air/day
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) hahah
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) this is a joke ...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) .conflictofinterest
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) air is too big?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) air is a public resource, doncha know ...
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) hostmaster, of course, I said "most" not ALL.
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) icann.is.full.of.hot.air
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) they are going to tax .air ?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) keep pouring the coffee and give these guys the election ballots
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) I must be missing something major - Touton just says 'in the basket' and end of discussion?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:54) which places it under ITU jurisdiction!
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) personally, I think .air is silly, but who cares? It's not for me to decide if it will make it or not and shouldn't be up to ICANN either
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) Well, it's no surprise that Esther who says she lives on planes and in airports likes .air. Wonder if you get frequent flyer points with that
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) I wish he would go in the basket
<abramsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) This is like watching all my grandparents discuss and decide the internets future... I'm otta here.
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) oh, let's just flip a coin why don't we
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) icannisfullofhot.air
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) Apologies to John and others on hostmaster list of approved good IP lawyers
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) no structure
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) sea.weed
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) .aero would be more comsmopolitan, no?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) so does iod's .web fit well
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:55) don't worry they are in a minpority. plenty of them are egregiously slimey
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) has anybody seen michael palage today?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) who.will.replace.esther.in.the.ch.air
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) ok, airhead is more specific
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) vint
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) they won't take .travel but they would take .air how silly
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) Rampant absurdity ... definite 'intellectual' keystone cop spectacle
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) fly.air
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) all the bald guys want moreh.air
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) hahaha
<Simon_Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) fl.air or lack of it
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:56) .water
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) yes, aero
<Simon_Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) .fire
<DavidS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) its nice
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) what a bunch of clowns
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) oh go change their application for them and their in how nice
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) I think anyone sitting on ICANN's board should pass at least a competency exam on the understanding of their duties.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) they.seek.him.here.they.seek.him.th.air
<Simon_Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) .water or .h2o?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) Marcia, agreed!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) I hope Monty Python is recording this
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) sucking.air
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) I like .aero better than .air
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) It seems like they're just clueless as to what they are doing
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) That's not the point Kendall
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:57) what is Dave?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) They will change someones app and that is fine what hypocrites'
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) how about lost.bags
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) That it's not ICANN's job to change applications
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) Ken, where's Ted? This stuff is right up his alley.
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) Do these people use the internet?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) because they "like it"
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) web sites for lost luggage!!
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) Ive heard that Esther does not have a computer in her house
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) John, on your "competition" point. Isnt Microsoft case against you here? Isnt ICANN using its purported monopoly position to decimate and undermine alternatives readily available but effectively prevented from accessing "the mmarket"?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) or to come up with other terms Kraaij!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) I was only speaking for myself.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) this is disheartening
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) rim, she keeps a prop for photo ops.
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:58) oh ok thanks for the info judith :)
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) coop?
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) I like coop.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) chicken.coop
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) boring
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) is it .co-op or .coop?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) fly.the.coop
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) co-op
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) Isn't reservation for .air?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) co-op
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) or is that .travel?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) co-op
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) oh now they talk about chickens
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) ICANN.has.been.co-op/ted
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) just lost audio/video
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) lost feed
<rr> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 14:59) me too
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) me too.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) me to
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) me too
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) ditto
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) mt
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) back
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) me too
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) ditto
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) me too
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) not me ; )
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) Ben?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) back
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) ditto
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) not back :(
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) if she had a computer in her house how would she find it if it looks anything like her office... not that I'm one to talk :-)
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) back
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) its still intermittant
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) I'm on audio only.
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) not back
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) have feed here
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) matthe/lee - in asia?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) feed.back
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) lol
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) something deeply worying about an internet operation being unable to sustain a feed
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) oh oh. video is playing backwards, it all makes sense now!!!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:00) dead.air
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) technical difficulties
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) get your foot off the mic
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) lol jd
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) stale.air
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) i'm full of desp.air
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) yeah, me to, i just found out the Walrus is George
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) Jon Zittrain? Got an on-the-fly view of this "competition" point and relevance of MS case?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) still not back...
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) I like .proc
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:01) gonna go get something to eat while they fix the audio/video
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) it's fixed
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) proctologist?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) you're quick
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) hit stop and then play again...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) touton into the basket jeeesh
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) as in ester.need.a.proctologist - thats better then ester.need.a.proc
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) ewwww
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) back now
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) I think when this is over we're all going to want .ky
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) who's .tel? there were 3 of them.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) no no no, not Touton. One bad apple spoils the bunch
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) mine's back after a restart
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) .co-op went into basket?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) yes, think so
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) ues
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:02) ben any .ky floating around
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) yes
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) who will get .air
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) Touton was given the job of shooting down IOD in todays "play"
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) the local farmers coop will be thrilled.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) no doubt,
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) scribe is vague: "6. Touton: Into basket" - opinion or fait accompli
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) .health actually seems pretty resonable
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) .air -- probably Northwest Airlines
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) icann.doa
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) If touton said it it's a fait accompli
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:03) lol
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) lol
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) if it wasn't so serious it would be comedy
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) of course the arguemtn is every intergovernmental treaty agency in Genva is asking for a tld to give them relevance to the internet which arguably makes them less relevant by the day
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) what's a fait accompli? which tle?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) of coursze .union into the basket
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) I want Latin TLDs!!!!!!!!!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) where's James Love?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) the oxymoron is that the recused members are the ones with the expertise
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) is he there in LA?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) co-op J
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) of course he should be there
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) "I'm actually pro .union" - classic!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:04) aud/vid feed died again
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) .union.yes
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) labor.union
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) back
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) nike.union
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) another.repeating.union
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) "If we give him .union will it get Jamie and Ralph off our backs?"
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) london muscians.union
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) nike needs one
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) I hope nodoby trips over their basket ...they'd have to start all over!
<baptista> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) whats the ORSC position on dot.union - considering it's sort of claimed by name.space (it's in their root - but they seem to not be pushing the claim in their application)
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) heh, thats ONION
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) (Esther's grandfather??)
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) lol
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:05) nike.needs.union
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) yeah, sombody run around and empty thei rbaskets at lunch and stick IOD in there :-)
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) name.space is proposing 3lds
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) atlarge.union
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) maybe not on this round... but, they should get it in the future
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) icann.union
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) internetstakeholders.union
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) yeah
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) I like it Joanna
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) Hmm, several lawyers on chat list, none responding?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) These people have done no homework how sad
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) basket.cases
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:06) thxs..:-)
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:07) this.is.the.bozo.re.union
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:07) The people want IOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:07) thepeoples.union
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:07) name.space will not answer anybody email or phone call. apparantly they are an island. so, because they have been ignoring us for 3 years we igniore them
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:07) OH, they're going through their baskets?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:07) the last time I talked to Paul was the IFWP meeting in Geneva. Ages ago.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:07) There is some basket weaving going on
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:07) "clique and mortar" -- (Jim Fleming)
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:08) lol
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:08) yes they do Lee.. but NSI and Touton don't
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:08) hahaha good one Kristy
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:08) underwater basketweaving I think
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:08) :)
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:08) Correction, several US lawyers on chat list, none responding.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:09) I bet these chat comments won't be archived on the ICANN web site!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:09) the guy that soke befroer alejandro, is that McGlauchlin?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:09) yes
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:09) I saw some yesterday from the day before
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:09) jd, they will be on the berkman website
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:09) how many times has the word "feeling(s)" been used today?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:09) what is the berkman website?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:09) very astute observation Andrew
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) touton your basket privelages are cut off
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) how many are in the basket? 5?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) my favorite is "sensing a feeling' being used to make a decision
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) cyber.law.harvard.edu is berkman
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) yep... largely touton
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) yeah I want IOD and .Web
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) me too
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) big biz has another fix in, there will be no .union
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:10) I'm not sure if Touton looks bemused, or embarassed ...
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) he looks smug
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) smug
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) biz and union are natural enemies
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) yes all this chat is archived on the web
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) yes, smug
<Simon_Higgs_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) gene's here now
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) perhaps smug in a constipated sort of way
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) we have a concensus on "smug"
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) I was away for a bit.... I take it that .health did not go into the basket?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) put "smug" in the basket
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) ;) judith
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) good i need a five minute break
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) you must have a better vdu than me, judith!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) i feel smug
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) brb
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) i thought it did John
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) theyre.all.smig
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) what BS
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) icann.is.smug
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:11) Andrew, smaller window is crisper view
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:12) 1024x768 for today
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:12) I just hope there's some truly intelligent press there
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:12) break. see you guys later.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:12) later, Chris
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:12) what's linda's list?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:12) I'm just looking at the scribes notes, and I see some expressed concern about .health but no "in" or "out" call
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:12) ok, time for more bad music
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) maybe after the break the other board members will replace these curmudgeons
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) If they pick .biz what will the .biz that runs in the alternative root do?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) acording to mail I just got from Ellen Rony, here's what's in the basket right now
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) sue
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) JVTeam, LLC - .BIZ - unsponsored, restricted
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) Affinity Internet, Inc. - .BIZ or .INC - sponsored, restricted
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) Global Name Registry, Limited - NAME - unsponsored, unrestricted
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) Sarnoff - .III- unrestricted, unsponsored
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) RegistryPro - .PRO - unsponsored, restricted
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) Ben... no Beck for music today?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) JDS, we will stay in the root as long as the root will keep us there
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) John B, isnt MS case against your "competition" point? If ICANN wasnt seeking to entrench and extend its purported monopoly, then maybe the alternative worable partical net options would be better known and accepted ?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:13) just occurred to me, so-called negotiations on the tlds will occur after Karl is seated, so he'll have some input at least on those they've put in their 'basket
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:14) what about trashing your rights
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:14) yes get IOD in the basket then it is workable
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:14) sorry, worable=workable, partical=practical
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:14) pbbt - i like BEck
<rlm> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:14) me too
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:14) icann has a monopoly over nothing... they don't *do* anything .... richard, is that the complete list from ellen?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:14) but I wish he were up there to keep this silliness in check
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:14) did .one come up yet
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:15) JDS, we have no idea what DoC will do.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:15) Richard, not what I meant about gateway, am saying you alias *.com/*.osrc to *.osrc
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:15) But what are we watching ICANN doing (more of) right now?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:15) how can anyone take action until there is an action?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:15) I understand that I guess what I meant what are the relistic options
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:15) Acts or OMISSIONS
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:15) I would think they can't biz
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:16) I'm not an attorney
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:16) IANAL, I just play one on the internet
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:16) I understand if it is not pratical for you to answer But I am sure you have thought it through
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:16) Marcia, they can do anything theylike. Whether it will fly or not is another question
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:17) JDS, of course. We all have
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:17) If they take one TLD that exists, why not all? and destroy as many businesses as they can?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:17) i've been considering starting a site in .org - will use .com now... this is going to end up a complete mess
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:17) talk about monopoly and destruction of competition
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:18) what did I miss?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:18) Does anyone know how long this break is?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:18) cannot imagine .inc wouldn't get some flack from INC magazine - no?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:18) five min
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:18) why, judith?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:18) tld's are not trademarks
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:18) remember?
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:19) Hello.... I didn't get to see the meeting.. How's IOD doing?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:19) rmf, badly
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:19) Touton is giving them hell
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:20) err
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:20) RMF, forget about coffee, I'm making a stiff drink to soften the blow they're about to deal.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:20) me too already thinking about scotch
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:20) have one for me too Marica
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:20) actually I've been drinking in AW virtually for a while now
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:20) I think I'll take up drinking.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:20) will do :)
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:20) What about afilias?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:21) Ken Stubbs and the conflict of interest?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:21) What is Touton's title again?
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:21) nimrod
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:21) Evil Overlord
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:21) *chuckle*
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:21) .one on me
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:21) I think he's VP is he not?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:22) funny how certain board members try to key in on the flawed review of IOD yet won't acknowledge their history which proves they are capable
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:22) John: yes, that's as complete a list as I recived from ELlen via BWG.
<Pinsel> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:22) :)
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:22) was it incredibly clear to everyone in here that he was going out of his way to shot IOD down? Beyond "normal"?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:22) board liked afilias to handle .web they thought the registrars in the group would provide enough competition amongst themselves
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:22) Hary: aliases make no sense. We (ORSC) point to real tld servers with our root zone. Aliasing does not enter into it
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:23) follow the money
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:23) and how is AW kristy?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:23) JDS - yes, the board translates "flawed review of IOD" to mean "review of flawed IOD"
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:23) really jd?.. figures...
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:23) yes, always follow the money
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:23) guess not ...it was to me
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:23) maybe not today but in the future
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:23) dave- it was clear to me too
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:24) Anyone know how much time is left with the break?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:25) Before we start the next session we should review the conflict of interest policy http://www.icann.org/general/coi-policy.htm
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:25) why does touton have such a prominent role when not even a director. I thought this is for directors only yet ones we elected can't participate
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:25) looks like people are sitting now
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:26) &*&(&*(% just got spammed by gov bush again
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:29) Funny thing Rob Blokzijl was on the Conflict Committee and on the advisory board for Telnic http://www.icann.org/tlds/tel3/doc_04.htm#D9
<DavidS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:29) thought it was a five min break
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:30) Does anyone know if Eugenio Triana was on the board of any companies applying for a TLD?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:31) I read through the scribes about IOD and it is unbelievable how some of these directors hav made opinions on wrong information, so very unfair
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:32) yup
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:32) I am interested in seeing what transpires in the next few hours
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:33) AGREED JDS
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:34) any in the next session, I'm guessing they're only going to talk about .geo for a short time, then vote on the "basket" contents
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:34) Chris Ambler should have a chance to correct the info from the scribe. He should be given time to restate the facts .
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:34) all the directors then why is touton there and making decisiions?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:35) The scribe was correct. The persons making the comments were incorrect.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:35) ringmaster
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:35) yes if they can change an app from .air to .aero Chris Ambler should have a chance to correct info ICANN messed up
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:35) yesterday one of the CCtlds guys was complaining about scribe info and Esther told them to talk to the scribe to get it corrected
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:37) is your scribe working
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:37) No
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:37) not here, must be on a five min break
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:38) rich, check your email
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:38) it's .one time
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:38) Someone tell me why Touton who is not a director gets to participate in this yet newly elected DIRECTORS can't
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:38) vint gets in another jab
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) one second on scribe
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) what did he say Kendall?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) thanks Ben
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) thanks Ben
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) this is Icann anything goes
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) Touton is informing Vint Cerf about a telecom application. This is rich.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) ye;s, thanks Ben
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) there the Scribe is...
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) he corrected Touton on his "facts"
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) I love this idea - new utilities!!
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:39) Thanks ken
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:40) ENUM folds phone numbers into the DNS. If Cerf's concerned, that's where he should look.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:40) the only one they're even considering in this group is .geo
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:40) if they follow the staff report like they have so far
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:40) I think .geo is a bad idea... seems very "big brother" to me.
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:40) chevy.geo
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:40) got it john
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:40) they havent marcia - .pro? .name? .i?
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:41) gm .geo
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:41) it's because of their contempt for the process, some were to lazy to do their own homework
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:41) If they're reading scribe notes, are they reading these too?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:41) these?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:41) i hope so
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:42) no.geo
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:42) Ben, have you seen any directors reading the chat? (I'm inclined to believe they are not).
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:42) IOD has a functioning registry, not theory yet they go out of their way to treat it like some half baked idea
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:42) I worry about what it could become. In theory it is good. But, it could be abused
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:42) "You should be aware that comments made here may not be read by meeting participants" - word MAY meaning MIGHT or MUST?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:44) divide and conquer that is the plan?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:44) I objectively don't see this as a fair process by any stretch
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:45) .geo.sucks.air
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:45) neither does anyone else JDS
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:45) http://domaincoast.com/
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:45) Marcia, the directors are not online at the moment. This chat is not a way to communicate with the Board. If you wish to communicate with the Board, that can be done through public comment fora, or by submitting a comment through the comment submission system at a time when the Board is receiving comments.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:45) agreed JDS
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:45) look at this going out of his way to explain .geo for them and with IOD theygive us false information
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:46) I wasn't trying to communicate with them, I was just curious. Thanks Rebecca.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:46) but no remote comments will be taken today, becca
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:46) ?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:46) right, saw that ORSC
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:46) ICANN staff has endorsed SRI at every turn ...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:46) who is SRI?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) best thing is to email them marcia: edyson@edventure.com, vcerf@mci.com, ken_fockler@sympatico.ca
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) i would hope ICANN would take the opertunity of reading through most of these "chats".... it appears that there is some knowledge here...
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) Stanford Research Institute
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) Public comments are only taken during the public comment forum. They are not taken during the Board meetings. This is true for both the in-room and remote audience.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) they used to run InterNIC
<JohnFrangie> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) Stanford Research Institute
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) thanks becca
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) jd, they only gave people who paid $50,000 each, 3 minutes to talk ... you think they care what we have to say?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:47) I already have ORSC, I wasn't trying to communicate with them just now; i was just curious if they were online.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:48) wb chris
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:48) true Judith... but it is nice to hope.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:48) Are they again rewriting someone's plan?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:49) sure vint it's called RFC 1876
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:49) SRI International is its own entity... it was spun off from Stanford some time ago... Long, long ago, SRI had developed a precursor addressing system to the current DNS
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:49) They are completely inconsistent between analyzing applicants: Bylaws violation.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:49) it might not hurt to do the experiment! I wonder if Vint feels that way about other TLDs?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:50) almost john. they held the initial host table (I think) and ran the initial InterNIC. If I recall I regisetred vrx with SRI way back when (I think)
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:51) IOD should be chosen just on it's history alone
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:51) were 'site' and 'info' ever discussed relative to afilias????????
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:52) yes, SRI managed hosts.txt
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:52) "Do you feel..."?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:52) and how do YOU FEEL about it?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:52) They will "let the experiment go forward" wow that is something yet they dismiss IOD
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:53) looks not so fair
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:53) lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:53) Yes Mr Roberts so has IOD and it's registtrants invested!!!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:54) so could thousand of other TLDS
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:54) this is unreal
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:54) These people live in their own world. Do they actually think no one has noticed?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:55) put it in last!
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:55) Ken noted that making an exception was an exception
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:55) http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2654607,00.html
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:55) http://www.tbtf.com/blog/2000-11-12.html#1
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:55) wow.... Fitz wants to use .geo as a learning aid!
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:56) US gov. want .geo
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:56) another touton in the basket
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:56) background on Jun Murai: http://museum.media.org/eti/RoundOne03.html
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:56) who gets minneapolis.geo? Kansas or Minnesota?
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:56) i want barcelona.geo and barcelona.travel
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:57) lol
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:57) scroll up on that URL I posted.. there is some insight from a Washington insider about this
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:57) i want icann to stop pandering. esther said herself its not necessary (no demand). .web ... stark contrast
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:57) If thi was somewhat fair they would spend some time getting to the facts on IOD
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) exactly
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) they could care less
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) where is the consensus of the internet community
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) you can register <telephone number>.com right now
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) Got it kendall. thanks!
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) ..
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) this is like a long Monty Python skit
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) exactly.... icann are just playing tech gods.... ppl wanting great business names, forget them!
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:58) listening to them
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:59) maybe it goers in the alternative parallel basket
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:59) lol
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:59) The bait and switch basket
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:59) i'd like to buy some cheese
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:59) homeboy needs a tan
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:59) is this "arguments" ?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 15:59) NO
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) anyhow... back to IOD and .web....
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) what of it Kendall?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) you don't get to pick barcodes, there's a universal schema fo rthgem assigned bu UCC
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) anyone find similarities between ICANN and the Internet and USA and the American Indians?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) You have something new to say?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) he doesn't remember ... he doesn't know ... should their applications be infront of each board member as the app is discussed?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) these guys lack of nowledge is appalling
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) group one is not necessary then... bango numbers etc...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:00) Where are the Ethics?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:01) Looks like round 2 is going to begin...
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:01) yes kristy
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:01) what do you mean chris
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:01) Chris, if the outcome is as bad as it looks like it's going to be, would you please have contact links on your website? So that organization may be facilitated?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:01) THey went through everything, and are now going to "the basket"
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:01) It looks like they hold iod over a few rounds just to dig at them some more SOB's
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:02) remember he's a few seconds ahead of our feed
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:02) Im was just wanting the members to get off of the telco strings and get on with it Dave
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:02) the Jewels
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:02) is .dir in basket?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:02) IETF ENUM committee members NeuStar & Verisign struck their deal with the ITU; NeuStar and Verisign have specific commercial products that compete with NetNumber's .tel. ITU tells ICANN its a protocol matter blah blah blah. BS.
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:02) not yet
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:02) I dont think so Andrew
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:03) (disclaimer - no doubt other ENUM participants have products in the works to compete as well.)
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:03) does anybody have a list of who neustar partnered with? I'm getting the impression it's like half the tld apps outthere
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:03) just read the http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2640449,00.html artical....
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) Meanwhile, NeuStar is bulldozing tech specs thru at breakneck speed, and Verisign's ENUMworld.com is already in "testbed" marketing mode.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) IS NOT TOO EARLY FOR NOKIA
<GeneMarsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) howdy all
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) wow, do i wish they would wait to vote until the new members could be involved.
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) hey Gene
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) go Andy Mueller-Maguhn
<GeneMarsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) pretty damn ugly
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) Nokia is after.mas isn't it? They didnt seem too prepared yesterday
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:04) yes it is...
<GeneMarsh> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:05) did you all see Richard's suggestion for Karl, Simon and me?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:05) It would appear that they're doing things in "rounds" and that in this "round," IOD has not made the cut.
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:05) So much for the public. They just don't give a s*&t what we want.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:05) we will probably be wanting alternative roots after this meeting
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:05) Did they name the players in this round, Chris?
<JimLewis> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:05) Does that mean you are automatically excluded from the next round chris?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:05) no gene they didn't only you karkl and simon did
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) Yes.
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) there
<JimLewis> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) was that yes to me chris?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) It is definite that you are excluded, Chris? 100% definite?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) anybody know who all is in the basket?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) JVTeam, Afilias, Global, Sarnoff/JVTeam RegistryPro, MDMA (.museum), SITA, MCBA, and SRI. That's it.
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) cool "Master"
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) ty
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:06) I'm calling my congressmen back.
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) list is way too short
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) this is total B/S
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) please do call your congressperson
<TorAlbertErsdal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) Chris you forgot Global name Registry applying for .name
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) Marcia, yes, it would appear that we are now out of it. (Tor, I said "Global")
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) do I see a smirk on Touton's face?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) Gene, so tell us what the suggestion is
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) Tyey just FUCKED IOD
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) no, that's up to richard
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) RICHARD?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:07) JDS, chill
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) Chris, does IOD plan on any legal action?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) Chris, did you see my suggestion earlier? Please have a focal point on your website for information and organization. This isn't over for us.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) *cough* Bullsh-t *cough*
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) i agree chris
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) Chris, I"ll support whatever legal action you pursue
<anon780> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) stories/news
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) can we say "class action suit" ??
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) So will I chris.
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:08) financially and physically
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:09) I thought afilias wasn't in the "basket" .web was put to the side for now
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:09) Me too. Financially, physically, in lobbying efforts to overturn their decision.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:09) I want litigation
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) This wasn't a decision that would require informed facts this was a robbery
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) i thought both afilias and IOD were in the basket
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) IOD
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) chris, maybe on the upside, you ultimately get .web and take these bozos down at the same tie
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) IOD was in the basket, but they removed it.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) i thought so too joanna
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) IOD in the basket
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) JDS. this was a decision that required informed facts and ICANN board did not have them.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) Yes you missed IOD that's what you missed!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) no
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) on whose authority?
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) IOD is the best!!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) "its what we agreed upon" ... how do you like that?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:10) ICANN you will be sorry for doing in 20,000 registrations I promise you that
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrr
<NCIENFUEGOS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) THIS IS THE FINAL BASKET TO CHOOSE FROM
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) Take Afilias away from the list
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) Note Wilson's notion of what constitutes "diversity".
<NCIENFUEGOS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) JVTEAM .biz - NEUSTAR - MELBOURNE IT
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) IOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) this is the biggest farce I've ever seen!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) Someone yell out in the crowd what are they going to do put you in a basket
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:11) well we need to wait to see if afilias in still in the basket for .web don't we?
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) unbelievable
<CsongorFagyal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) TuCows has the bigest reseller network. MAybe that's why you hate Affilias? Competition is not good, right?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) bought and paid for list
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) IOD for .web!
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) what a sad sad day.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) Interesting...but wrong
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) By our quick eye-ball, 6 of the 9 on the list are related.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) very sad
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) are you kidding, Csongor?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) where is IOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) These people do not represent the Internet
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:12) this is a complete sham
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) This is the most incredible group of nonsense I have ever witnessed.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) time to take off the gloves Mr Ambler
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) And now they're praising themselves and their work ... insulting, can't believe we don't hear snickering from the audience.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) I cant believe that Touton can keep a straight face
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) gloves "get a rope" pace salsa commercial!
<NCIENFUEGOS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) .biz has been almost approved
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) agreed judith
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) They have no shame
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) He can't, Kendall
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) send lawyers guns and money
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) guess we have a fight
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:13) so afilias gets all three tlds?????????????
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) afilias was never in the basket
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) go to afilias.tv for a good time!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) someone in the crowd yell out when they get to .web!
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) second JD's motion!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) touton is smug
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) DUH
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) Thank you vint!
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) ohhhh my god!!!
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) Vint is JUST figuring out they are listed in alphabetical order!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) they are laughing at us
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) give them etc you schmucks
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:14) Ah, the "comfortable" criterion. "Everyone comfortable" (scribe).
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) what???
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) http://afilias.tv/
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) you SOB's
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) nice
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) is Esther comfortable? who' sunder the table?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) Touton is lobbying his little hiney off for Affilias ... must've gotten paid big time
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) .web belongs to IOD!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) comfortable = "can we get away with this"
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) so is IOD This is a robbery and they are blushing they know it
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) yes Judith, he certainly is
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:15) These people should be put in jail.
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) they may
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) he is trying to say .web without looking like he is paid for
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) Lee, don't think that isn't a possibility
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) is it just me... or is touton smirking a lot?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) in the several years of discussion inside icann it would be impossible to believe that nobody has been bribed or blackmailed
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) Lee, if theft is a crime you're right
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) .web for IOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) these people have really bad karma
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) Touton you haven't heard the last of us
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) my scribe is stalled
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) Touton can't even keep the grin off his face ...
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:16) this is Toutonmount to rape
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) if Afilias gets .web there will be a war like you have never seen
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) look at him laughing what a gloating SOB
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) boycott afilias!!!!!!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) We just added Touton to our list of potential offenders here
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) grrrrrrrrrrr
<CsongorFagyal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) go on bycott affilias
<JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) g'day all... I'm off to the hospital for a family medical emergency... please say a prayer for my son, and enjoy the rest of the show...
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) i feel really bad for heavy investors in .web should they get shafted
<CsongorFagyal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) you as well boycott the sun
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) john- : (
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) Goodbye John
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) Bye John, God Bless
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) I've just been able to watch the last 20minutes or so, and from what I've seen, I can't believe it! Something Fishy is going in there.
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) bye john
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) good luck John
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:17) John, you bet ... God bless ...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:18) GL
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:18) britan are you here?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:18) My GOd I can't believe I am witnessing this, no shame
<CsongorFagyal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:18) :-)
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:18) mayabe these guys should meet in Jerusalem next
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:18) I hope the media jumps on this like a pack of ravenous wolves
<CsongorFagyal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:18) I am going to make a lot of money. :-)))
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:18) They know it is fixed Touton can't stop smirking it is so unbecoming
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:19) i know!
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:19) Well folks, enough of the chatroom bravado. What is to be done (or cant that be discussed in public either)?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:19) How so Csongor?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:19) They just stole from me
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:19) aero? they want to reccomend the name of a chocolate bar as a tld?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:19) afilias.tv can be a tool
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:19) this is a mockery of justice
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) They won't even give namespace one greedy SOB's
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) the internet is for everyone - in a coop
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) this mockery has been going on for years.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) i wonder if touton will be going on an all-paid tropical vacation soon
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) jd, I have the use of AfiliasSucks.com ....even better
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) will the record show the laughter?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) I think Touton should be eliminated
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) laughter after esther said "we could replace it with name.space"
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) I hope they all rot in Hell
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) it will now!
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) Is touton the bald guy, thats always got a smile on his face?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) yep
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) yes
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) we can point to each other
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) yep rmf
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:20) We'll find the dirt on him - he's really pissed us off
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:21) jd, sounds good
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:21) look at how red in the face he is
<CsongorFagyal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:21) Kendal: I am a domain reseller. Of tucows.
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:21) jd, please PM me your email address
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:21) lets be explicit about who they are giving .web to
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:21) noticed they haven't mentioned .web and afilias in the same breath
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:22) because NSI is all over the world
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:22) Congress will have a field day with this
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:22) yeah they did, touton mentioned afilias a nd .web
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:22) Tell me how TOUTON gets to vote when he is not a director
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:22) which JVTeam came out? (was afk)
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:22) Give us time
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:22) Touton's sitting there counting his money ...
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) .biz ? for JVTeam?
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) yes judith- and planning that vacation
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) .biz stays
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) He has bad Karma
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) makes me ill
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) which came out - .aero or .geo?
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) JDS, how do you say touton is "voting" (I mean its a good point but is he actually seen to be "voting"?)?
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) .aero
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) ty
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) he is railroading is what he's doing
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) no geo
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:23) they're on the verge of picking names with extremely limited market potential
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) they'll be furious
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) maybe this proves the IPC point "no new tlds are required"
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) yup Kendall
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) none of these are general puspose
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) orschost - agree
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) I want a federal injunction asap
<Jeffreyskimming> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) how are things going today for IOD? just tuning in
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) cha ching! He can hear the cash registers now
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) bad news Jeffrey
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:24) jeff: its done- IODs out; Afilias & their money- IN
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:25) They all know what they did was wrong that is why they were blushing
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:25) Hans doesnt care
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:25) Ben...can you do anything here? We're desparate!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:25) Wow, Affilias thought I was on their butt before today! Just wait!
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:25) hans is clueless
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:25) an injunction?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:26) we're not depratate. we have to be cool calm and collected while everybody else goes nutz
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:26) nice move vint, slipping out quietly....
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:26) The only people I have any respect for up there are Esther and Vint.. I loathe Touton and Hans
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:26) lol man this is gonna be great to organize a revolt
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:26) If there is any decency out there ICANN just did itself in
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:26) AGREED ORSC
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:26) i trust neither. Ken Fockler is the onoly one I trust
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:26) What has E done to get your respect? Sleep with you?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:27) oopps sorry ben
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:27) he's the only one that sais IOD has merit because they actually got a new tld working yaras ago
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:27) no... but, she has an opinion of her own I cant wait till she quits ICANN and can comment on them openly
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:27) hmm interesting
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:28) i knew they didn't put afilias in the basket. How Corrupt
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:28) how do you know JDS?
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:28) people will callit 3i and 3i is a trademark
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:28) By watching
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:28) Ken, why Esther? I've never received an honest communcation from her. Not once.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:29) yes I agree, she has a great capacity for insincerity and can be downright rude and mean - at least I've seen this several tims
<anon1003> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:29) Chris - why didnt you pay off Stubbs and Touton like Afilias did?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:29) why doesn't someone in the room yell out IOD and .web???
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:29) lol
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:29) yeah, so, and com is the alpha 3 string for the comoros islands
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:30) sure, cause jay fenello spent a lot of money marketing .per
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:30) Grrrrr
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:30) J: she's under the gun here. but, in the EFF days she had better judgement
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:30) They don't even have the balls to say afilias and .web in the public record
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:30) what is afilias getting?????????????
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:30) Hans and Touton running the show..
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:31) he's funny guy!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:31) Sorry Ken - she has done NOTHING since I've of her
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:31) Ken, I'm talking about a year's worth of correspondence ... I find her totally vacuous.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:31) Hans wants to go to the cash register...
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:31) Did they say anything earlier about why they aren't going to discuss(NOW) IOD/.web?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:32) Congress will cut thesew people down to size, they finally have pissed offf a number of people all at once
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:32) they will be forced to talk about IOD/.web whether they like it or not
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:32) is there a final decision re what afilias gets??????????
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:32) if they can move string around for apps why not move someone off web
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:32) if only in the popular press
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:32) They have no backbone because the scribe shows that they never picked anything for .web but tried to sneak it in at the end
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:32) obviously that toutan guy wants afilias to get .web.... atleast from what ive seen so far.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:32) how can they move when they have not decided on strings
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:33) He isn;t even a director. Where are the new directors we voted for?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:33) Attn ICANN: you're not being up front about afilias!
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:33) i don't like Linda's basket
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:33) this is going to bring the entire process to a halt
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:33) sidelined, jds.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) They have no shame or balls they can't even muster the nerve to mention afilias and .web in the same breath
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) at check out: the board gets paid, right??
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) see you all later - TO THE BATCAVE------>
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) bye Gene
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) daaaaah!!!!!!!!!
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) the board gets paid regardless
<Quasar-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) cya Gene
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) you did choose all large and you will pay foir it when Congress yanks your chain
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) Bye Gene
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:34) vint is talking about iod
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) bye gene
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) go kids!
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) yes!!
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) maybe??
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) there you go.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) GO Cerf
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) Hans vs. Name.Space
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) i don't think the board gets paid, they get compensated for travel, BUT robests gets $18K/mo
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) Cerf--you're an angle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) I lost feed, what did Cerf say?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) yes!
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) I knew I liked that guy with the headphones!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) Oh. My.
<GeneMarsh_ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) good luck chris
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) he said readdress iod
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) he's for not assigning anyone else .WEB
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:35) We love you Cerf
<Twisty-> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) he just said it seemed like a bad idea to give .WEB to anyone else given IOD is already functioning
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) Vint is a god
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) Wilson agrees
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) listen to the clapping
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) Someone is whispering into those headphones ... a lawyer maybe?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) keep laughinmg touton
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) someone e-mail Mr Cerf
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) REMOTE APPLAUSE from Marcia
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) ditto Judith
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) wipe that smirk off your face Touton
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) right, they listed three
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:36) reluctant how convienent
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) Wilson & Cerf - that's two for IOD
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) Touton you're slippery!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) Fockler were is he
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) *applause!*
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) CHEERS
<anon1003> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) YEA
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) some decency
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) And Pisanty.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) Pistanty what?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:37) off IOD's work
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) Cerf, Wilson, and Pisanty agreed as well.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) I can feel the tension
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) so why should afilias get .web!!!!!!!!!!!!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) Chris, this is not carrot munching time ...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) go for it Chris
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) Where's Fockler?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) yeah
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) after IOD Pioneered it a reality
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:38) Touton choke on those words
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:39) ummm flawed application
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:39) .web is already succeeding under IOD
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:39) IOD *is* proof of concept.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:39) flawed review of the application
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:39) is the proven concept
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:39) don't let touton move off focus on this
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:39) PUT IT BACK IN THE BASKET
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) Who's reading?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) I hope Vint interrupts him...
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) I think Touton is talking
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) i am i cant hear right now
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) WOW
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) IOD deserves to be in the basket more than any other applicant!
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) what a prick
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) what of pioneer preference!!!!!!!!!!!!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) Hi Joop
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) your not qualified you thief
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) hi joop
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) .web always makes me think of digital ducks and spiders... sorry.
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) Yeah, but there is a moral right in .web!!!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) Vint Cerf is sticking up for IOD
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) where is Fockler
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) Hi Ken
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) yes yes yes
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) hes all over Touton
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:40) We love you Cerf don't give up
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) go Cerf!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) Ask Cohen about rigged elections... he just had one
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) IANA gave them the right to do that!!!!!!!!
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) Is Cerf reading from a script?
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) Did you notice how Kraayenbrink tries to make it look as if they are not handing out businesses?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) Is Touton turning red?
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) his smirk is gone
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) They have been around for 5 years ICANN 2
<YangWooKo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:41) he is attacking again
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) Fitsimmonz comment #4 - does he not realize -geo.com thinks they get preference
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) IANA gavce permission
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) Step up to the plate again, Cerf! Don't let us down!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) subject stonewalled and dismissed.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) pre -registered? isn't that proof of concept?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) he is changing the subject
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) AMbler
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) You're kidding,Chris!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) IOD was first and deserves it more than anyone
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) Chris do something
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) this touton guy is ridiculous
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) DO SOMETHING
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) Chris, you have GOT to pull the IANA card.
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) the real decision is taken offline
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) he's an absolute sham
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) Chris - where are your lawyers?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) Jump up and down LOL
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:42) There's nothing I can do. I'm sitting in the audience, and not allowed to speak. Period.
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) I've never seen anything like it
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) Innovation and entrepreneurism is to be discouraged ... right
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) ah, the fear they have is they don't want the alternative roots to be legitimzed as a staging root for icanns roots
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) We know that Chris
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) DO IT ANYWAY - it will get the media coverage we need
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) Marcia, don't be silly
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) Well , Chris STAND UP - you don't have to speak just stand
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) No, look what happened to Lazio
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) Do you do everything your not supposed to , you have followed all the rulkes and still they shit on you
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) STAND and turn your backs to them
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) Stand up, indeed.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) orschost, then we have to become much more widely known
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) indeed
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) LISTEN: CHris can't do something juvenile
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) that would only hurt any chance he has
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:43) probably
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) 'why because of personality
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) though what chance is there?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) If Chris had the room standing up that would be one thing, but not solely.
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) Yes, Chris. The media are an Achiles heel for ICANN
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) maybe they all will stand if he does
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) Touton has completely ignored the issue, the press will roast him!!!
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) as k them if IOD has a right to IOD.web?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) Lawyers, my dear, lawyers, and the support of public opinion.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) not selecting IOD will legitimize alternative roots more than anything they can do
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) Where is Mr. Fockler
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:44) the press won't say a word :-(
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) Two congress folks wrote DOC about IOD, more need to rally ...
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) It would certainly take an avalanche to the media for them to get it right
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) people will flock to the alternatives en masse
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) press is tied up covering something in Florida I fear
<Twisty-> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) clearly, organizationally, they want to promote organizations which work within their process as opposed to without. it's in the best interests of the Internet to do that which promotes a single DNS root
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) I really dislike Hans
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) can it float or do your care Twisty
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) Changing the subject. i DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT mR cERF BACKS DOWN TO TOUTON
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) yeah
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:45) Twisty, the answer is for ICANN to cooperate with the roots who already cooperate and include them all
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:46) Fair you better learn the word touton
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:46) Okay, that's it. Cerf's points were shot down by Touton, and the show is over. They're voting on the 8 list.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:46) smirking again
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:46) Cerf is stronger what is up
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:46) Fair??!?!
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:46) CHRIS stand up and TURN your back to them!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:46) When does Karl get seated?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:46) good point kendall
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) You corrupt bunch of people
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) No Marcia, hystrionics doesn't play well.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) Please stand up.... and Ben.. turn the camera on him
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) karl will be seated when the show is over
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) after todays meeting
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) He has called us out for a lawsuit
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) Standing and turning is not hystrionics
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) some courage...abstaining.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) It doesn't really appear that the final list will be determined today, if you ask me.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) bought and paid for....
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) cha ching!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) What's the count?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:47) the DOC must approve this mess, that will be the next chance for justice
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) write to your congress members and complain
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) Discuss the issues
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) yes
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) was that 8 for and 3 abs?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) Touton you are one sided
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) compelling proposition is awfully subjevctive
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) It was asked if they wanted a straw poll on Afilias, but with .info instead, and TOUTON SAID NO.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) boy it really appears touton wants afilias to get .web VERY BADLY
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) Media coverage is the quickest way to uncover this mess
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) I heard it Chris
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) because it would be public record
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) amen marcia
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:48) touton did NOT allow .info to be a topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) Touton must go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) i acnt belive i kept getting booted at a time like this!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) I suspect Touton will get a big bonus if AFFF gets .web
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) I think I hate him more than Stubbs'
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) Who abstained?
<RMF> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) its obvious that Touton wants Afilias to have .web and not the others. Is he related to stubbs?
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) Chris, is that Touton's authority to deny that?
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) Ester was one, don't know the other two
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) I have no idea at all.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) He is not a director what a joke
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) what you see here is called CRONYISM
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) Esther, Fockler, and Pisanty, that I saw.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:49) then who is he?
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) I'm sorry, I just can't accept this as the end.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) They stole the battle but we (iod) will win the war
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) Lawyers here, is it legal for Touton as a non director to be participating like this?
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) IOD has come too far, and has been around too long for this.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) World - this is the begining
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) They were there from the beginning, with the blessing of IANA.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) touton has historically been a problem
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) The nerve!!!!!!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:50) He is an arrogant bastard
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) agreed
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) HE HAS LIED TO MY FACE
<KevinAllen> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) kristee can u email me with what happns in next couple hours i have to goto a meeting
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) Chris, I know you can't comment, but don't let this stand unchallenged.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) You're saying Touton is a known liar Joop?
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) I think i'm going to be .sick
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) Vint should redirect the argument back to IOD
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) yes
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) I have worked so very hard
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:51) chris, don't lose it now. there will be another time with doc
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) everytime he tries, Touton doesn' tlet it happen
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) Chris, are you actually sitting there live, watching this in the room.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) Yes, World, I am.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) CERF should have more power what is this WWF
<WorldThoughts> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) God, what restraint.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) yes JDS
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) you must be wondering what you did to deserve this
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) .iii ??
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) Chris you are a patient man I am glad I am not there
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:52) I really really dislike Hans
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:53) I wish I were!!!!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:53) listen to them yucking it up
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:53) I'd STAND and TURN MY BACK to the board
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:53) do you think they support JVTeam?
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:53) kendall, he represents a very big power block. That is why he can almost take a veto position
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:53) they think this will just go away like the other bad things they have done. NOT THIS TIME
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:53) Chris, your leadership is evident in how you are handling this.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:53) chris, I'd think .tv would be an ally when it's time to bring this up with the Feds
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:54) To many indivivuals spent to much time and money to jsut sit back and not care
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:54) Now speaks the man with the biggest shadow of all
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:54) I would have blown it Judith after 5 years lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:54) This guys is?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:54) .iii sucks
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:55) Joe Sims
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:55) I will sue each and every registrant who gets a .web (that I currently own thru IOD)
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:55) When are we going to have public comments?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:55) ICANN needs to be sued
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:55) they will be
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:55) Don't forget the registrar for offering it
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:55) the DoC hasn't approved anything yet.....
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:55) take Afilias out too
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:56) Make your contacts with Congress again. They will look at this like amateur hour
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:56) do you think esther supports jvteam?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:56) yes, contact your representatives
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:56) What is happening with the IOD application#
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:56) they are hijacking it Anthony
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) They squashed it and stole .web
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) joe sims is there? holy cow
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) Touton is leading the charge
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) I hate him more than Stubbs
<TorAlbertErsdal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) Chris, did they approve .aero, .coop .pro and .name?
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) hi richard. Yes, Mr Big is there
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) Call tv shows, newspapers, local news
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) sims is the svengali behind the throne
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) yes
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:57) He stole from me is the way I see it
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) white man speaks with forked tongue
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) what is the URL for representative contact details?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) The LA Times is at the meeting. What they write about the meeting will be carried worldwide.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) shuit up touton
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) off with his head
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) fuck off touton
<anon1003> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) fuck you touthead
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) The NY Times should be there too
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) shut up Touton
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:58) what about AP?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) this is ICANN remember, no freedom of speech, even applause
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) you are hear to be led... not to participate
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) who said that?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) Touton Drop Dead we will see you in Court
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) Touton
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) Hans is such a funny guy
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) yes, iod for .web
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) to whom?
<Durango> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) the americans are support nuestar and sri, think dod
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) "pardon me the gentleman in the back row is breathing too loudly. Please stop"
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 16:59) YES! .web for IOD
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) est you as a prick
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) where is Fockler
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) I only just got here - what are they polling now?
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) Anon1003, we don't use that sort of language here.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) there are lots of comments Touton
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) Please see the instructions at the entrance to the chat space.
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) Fockler proposed IOD, why is he not defending his opinions
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) and you will hear them all
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) third eye blind iii
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) what happened to the scribe notes?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) This is a complete diversion
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) JD, we don't use that language here.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:00) Ben do you think we really give a shit with all due respect what more can they do to us
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:01) This meeting won't run to 1am - that's for sure
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:01) sorry, I meant puppet, my keyboard has hot chocolate spilled on it
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:01) why is .iii not acceptible?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:01) did they give a reason
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:01) Ben, my scribe is stuck again ;(
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:01) In honor of this historic day I've penned a little ditty: http://www.thesiliconvalleystory.com/
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:02) step one... lead Touton out in chains. step two .. hold a public vote on IOD
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:02) You people will pay when Congress catches up to you very soon
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:02) yes Richard - ahng on i'll ge the quote
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:02) Now I'm working on one about IOD
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:02) Me too, Gary.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:02) Farce is more like it
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:03) Nice Gary
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:03) You bet your A**
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:03) Toutoin has no shame look at this guy
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:03) I think they know that the must give .web and not .info to Afilias or else the Alt Roots will get a boost from IOD
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:03) Gonna get my but kicked for putting it on the home page :)
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:03) nah
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:03) Ricahrd - they said it was not pronounceable and meaningless
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) talk about forked tongue
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) :) Gary
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) He can't stop gloating
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) bye bye iii
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) Rich, you don't think so?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) ha ha ha
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) They're going to the vote.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) THE vote.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) Chritopher are we dead as far as this kangaroo sesssion
<anon1003> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) What about the fact that Ken Stubbs had inside info to put on the Afilias application - that *is* fair?????
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:04) It's over.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) i liked .i
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) what now Chris?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) .iii was a last minute change
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) DoC here we come
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) Ken Stubbs should be arrested for insider trading or fraud
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) 578 pre-registrations for .name
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) A moment of silence for Jon Postel?
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) you are wrong ChristopherAmbler, you have more friends than you know about
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) Never give up Chris, they're not finalizing, and with fockler, vint, mueller, karl...
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) HEY, NO AUDIEBCE REACTION. HOW D A R E THEY LAUGH. THEY'TE THERE TO LISTEN
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) We support you Chris
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:05) Chris - we support you
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:06) Chris, this has been a labor of love. This is a travesty.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:06) Gary, the next vote is a finalization.
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:06) Chris, when will you let your customers know what the next step is?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:06) Chris, if you've got the energy and resources, please enlist the attorneys and just ask for help. We'll be there for support.
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:06) this decision can be overthrown by due process
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:06) Ouch, well then, the courts, politics, public opinon
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:06) See, they want to make sure that it is .web
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:06) and quickened by meda coverage
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:07) when did Afilias get added to the hat? Did anyone remember them getting added until the end
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:07) Wow, these guys are really lobbying for this thing.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) stick to it buddy
<TomCappelli> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) Can you update me - have any been approved yet?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) Chris, if anything can be shown that this was not due process (or was underhanded) then...
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) I don't remember them getting added... and yet suddenly there they are !
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) fine give Aff .web and it will only cause more confusion, lawsuits of ALL Types
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) 7 are on the shortlist
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) Let Chris listen to this.
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) The Afilias application is financially the same for all three TLDs
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) keep at it Vint
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) keep at it
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) keep at it
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) go vint
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:08) RESERVE .web??
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) Reserving .web will give Chris the chance to continue with it
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) Go Vint!!!! Do it! Audience - shut up!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) can someone confirm when Afilias was added to the basket?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) GO VINT
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) UNWANTED???????
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) See , Hans K spells it out!
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) there isn't consensus.
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) second
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) Aff owns the basket honey
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:09) yes!
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) afilias was not added to the basket at the exclusion of IOD
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) Now I'm really ticked
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) Kraij, you're not fully aware of what you're doing!
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) This guy has got to be on their payroll
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) he is
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) fockler - what whole package?
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) Hans K understands what is at stake
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) Hans needs to keep his mouth shut
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) yes
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) its so obvious where this is going
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) prereg.... omg.... is that the issue?
<Twisty-> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) I'm with Hans. We need to firmly discourage alternate roots.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:10) like sunrise?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:11) pre reg has not been brought up as an issue for any other - why does it matter for IOD?
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:11) Hi twisty, why?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:11) Twisty, they are not going away and have been around for many years
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:11) Twisty if they don't give it to IOD we are going to switch to Alternate Roots en masse
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:11) yes yes yes
<Twisty-> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:11) speak for yourself
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:11) the more they press for it, the more they're agenda becomes obvious before the board etc.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:11) All the ISPs we support will - i guarantee it; although they wil provide service to both
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) amen judith
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) All of the reports on Afilias were for .info or .web not just .web
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) hopefully before the press too
<Twisty-> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) let me state that I am *not* specifically in favor of Afilias
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) Twisty, keep in mind that the ORSC root includes the ICANN TLDs
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) yes .info
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) This is surreal. I should have taken more ulcer medication this morning.
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) : (
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) lol
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) oy vey
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) Truly amazing, Chris.
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) but HOW can you get .com .web competition if they are run by the same people??
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) Please update Chris
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:12) you should have left me some
<Twisty-> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) but I am in favor of some central technical management of the internet, including a single root.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) this is like a firing squad with empty rifles
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) WHY Twisty
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) yes!
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) ME!!....do I count?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) I agree Twisty.. but NSI has a stake in Afilias... and they have a monopoly already
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) Chris, can't you come to a deal with Afilias?
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) That "comfortable" criterion again.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) never going to happen Twisty
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) This is remarkable... hope the journos are getting every word... note who says what... look for the individual agendas...
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) good idea
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) woops....no!!
<RonaldWeikers> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) Even lawyers aren't this confused and confusing
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:13) no!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:14) Shut up Simms
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:14) that is not consensus
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:14) Oh GOD
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:14) ok ME!! (I still don't count)
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:14) me
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:14) what an outrage!!!!!
<lacambrevalentin> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) gotcha
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) Let Vint speak
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) was esther against?
<TroyBlackwell> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) Touton makes Syble look well adjusted!!
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) I am opposed
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) what did I miss
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) Who's the 3rd?
<TorAlbertErsdal> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) Så jeg en isbjørn
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) Wow!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) are we out of straw yet?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) sims is doing a brilliant jon at manipulating the board.
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) actually, I find it odd they are even doing this - and not really admitting why
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) gawd!!!!!
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) sims is talking to them likke children
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) Sims makes me ill
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) YES!!!!!
<anon1003> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:15) yea!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) what is happening
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) yes!!!!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) alright, more support for afilas .info than web
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) AH!
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) ?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) thank you vint
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) YESSS!!!
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) eh?
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) can you spell existentialism??
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) yes
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) I'm amazed
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) The scribe is wrong????
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) What is Sims doing?!
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) Good. Chris, you can proceed. :-)
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) Good qestion
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) scribe - fix it - 10. Cerf: Recommend t hat Aflilias be awarded .info
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) BEN is #10 a mistake on th escribe
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) best 2 out of 3 joe?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) We're behind, help! What's going on?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) Is IOD getting .Web
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:16) not yet.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) Whew.
<TroyBlackwell> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) answer the ?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) consensus
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) BEN, fix your sribe notes. Cerf, said award .info
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) not from ICANN
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) thank you vint
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) what i said earlier before about touton applies more to sims
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) afilias = .info
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) That would be mine too.
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) afilias=.info
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) Basicly you have the people WITH conciences vs those WITHOUT
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) but Chris, that doesnt mean .web for IOD, correct?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) WOW
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) afilias=.info
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) Sims wants to suck straw till he gets what he wants ... too funny
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) WOWOWOWOW
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) vint is a handsome man...lol
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) afilias=info
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) I hop that Vint gets to be the chair
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) afilias=info
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) NINE is a consensus
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) lack er not as clear consensus ...
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) WOW!! where did this come from?? Awesome
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) Mr Fockler
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) sims is being smart but I think he misread the board
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:17) how many directors does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) He didn't even read the application!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) Is my wife still on here?
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) Afilias gets .info!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) I got cut off what is going on Is IOD in it?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) none, joe sims does it for them
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) yea!
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) WOW.. but- what happens w/ .web/IOD (if they werent on the final list??)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) (can they change that?)
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) yes chris
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) what does RESERVE mean?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) Chris, CONGRATULATIONS on not losing .web to afilias
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) it gets reserved, which means maybe later
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) Not losing is not the same as winning, but...
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) they want to aviod the lawsuit
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) i dunno but as long as it's not "reject" it's a good thing
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) I know
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:18) it's a step forward chris
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) I'm here and I need your ulcer medication
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) That is fine.. but save that battle for another day
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) But , you go to the next round, Chris!
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) This might mean that giving .web to afilias after this point is even more anti-competitive.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) Still need to contact all congressmen and media
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) Denise...not sure, but this is the first I have seen them truly 'recognize' it's current existence (if you can call it that)
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) it actually strengthens your right iMO
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) Chris - have you ever thought of employing Arthur Anderson - we might do better in the second round :O)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) Going to the next round is not the same as being a lock in the next round.
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) the battle can be fought with new directors on board
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) Joanna, you have a very good point.
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) Chris, when IS the next round?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) But Chris, I think you know what you need to change for the next round .....Am i rifgt?
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) right
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) God Knows if there will ever be another round and if so it might be 5 years
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) Yeah. I know. It is still an uphill battle
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:19) thxs..:-)
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:20) Hey Touton... I'm smirking now!
<TroyBlackwell> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:20) jd, dont we prefere to have this voted on right here instead of behind closed doors?
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:20) Chris, what do you know about the new directors?
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:20) Chis...any estimation on the next round?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:20) It will be years. What they have done is avoided a lawsuit
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:20) Absolutely quiet! or else...
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:20) BEN: the scribe notes say cerf recommends afilias get .web. This is exactly opposite!
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:20) YOu'll have Karl on board next time
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) Well at least we'll be able to see just how much competition there is in .info vs .com
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) They have also opened the way for Chris to do a deal with Afilias
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) Ben we need to correct the scribes notes to reflect that Cerf recommend that IOD gets .web
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) Folks, it's really much too soon for me to comment at all. This is completely unexpected, and you'll have to give me some time to digest it all.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) and for .biz to fight for a prior use claim
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) BEN: the scribe notes say cerf recommends afilias get .web. This is exactly opposite!
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) Kendall and ORSC_Hostmaster, thanks.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) BEN: the scribe notes say cerf recommends afilias get .web. This is exactly opposite!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) BEN: the scribe notes say cerf recommends afilias get .web. This is exactly opposite!
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) fixed
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) BEN: the scribe notes say cerf recommends afilias get .web. This is exactly opposite!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) thanks you
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) These people still make me sick. IOD should have been up and running first.
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:21) Chris, may the wind be at your back.
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) orsc - the webcast will show it's an error
<RayFassett> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) sorry Chris...you are right...getting a little carried away
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) Yes, that's right Chris. Don't comment here. Keep your powder dry. Good luck!!!!
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) They are avoiding a lawsuit and making Chris have to beg afilias
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) icann't believe it
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) The evil ones know what they're doing. Afilias has another TLD, IOD doesn't.
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) scribe has revised - .info
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) ICANN'T support this organization
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:22) by reserving the .web TLD they are inviting lawsuite
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) why not IOD what is the problem
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) Of course, now that .info goes to Afilias, giving them .web in the future will be even MORE difficult to justify.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) Going offline friends. Thank you all.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) you know it Spectra
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) If Afilias has .info surely they can't try and get .web next time
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) ByeChris. Good Luck
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) bye Chis
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) C ya Chris
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) Thanks Chris!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) bye Chris
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) I love you
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) Good luck chris
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) It will be a very very long time if at all
<TroyBlackwell> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) good luck
<Quasar-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) cya Christopher
<anon1003> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) i love you too
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) Good luck!
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) But Lisa, I hardly know you!
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) Bye chris. thanks for the fight!
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:23) lol anon- bye chris :)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) I've never teared up on a chat before ... really
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) There goes my hero :)
<anon1003> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) just kidding lisa
<DeniseNiber> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) lol judith
<SpectralWeb> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) Indeed.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) bless you Judith
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) no clapping
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) Me either, Judith, til today
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) Denise - true. A lot of heart is behind this, many people behind Chris ...
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:24) Laughing is OK but clapping is not
<DaveLizmi> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) Spectral, OM
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) Hi Sri, did you see what happened?
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) what sparked the change????????????????
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) Vint
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) Vint Cerf.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) Vint is the man!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) I may start to like that guy.
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) He said something again
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) nope just got on joop
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) good luck Chris and Lisa. I hope we can all keep the faith, and be rewarded another day.
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) what happened
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) Judith be careful
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) ?
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) Yes, Vint has done a good job today.
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) public opinion sparked the change
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) Vint stuck up for IOD and they gave afilias .info!
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) looks like 4648 pre registered .info names
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) and fockler
<TroyBlackwell> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:25) when is this going to rule going to come down?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) warning: the real server is now at capacity. If you disconnect (or get disconncted like I did) you cannot reconect
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) Sri, they did not give .web to afilias
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) 4648 Kristy?
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) Check the scribe rules, Sri
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) wow...
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) yup
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) ORSC, which realserver?
<TroyBlackwell> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) days weeks years?
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) I show 50 streams left on primary
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) backup 1
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) k.. thanks joop
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) OK, well, there are still three others left with capacity, though...
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) and windows media server too!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) I heard someone say "great show"
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) and of course Real's client error handling is so bad if it gets errors twise it hangs netscape
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) BTW, if anybody wants to join us in the IDNO, now is the time. please look at www.idno.org
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:26) The board meeting seating Karl etc. is next? Online?
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) you had a winme feed?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) yes, but I can only get video on backup two Ben, and I think it's important to see peoples faces
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) Unbelievable! We have witnessed history in the making folks
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) for reactio
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) ICANN.sucks
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) At leat in the IDNO your vote counts
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) Yes we did Kendall
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) Ben, the remote stays up for the board meeting?
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:27) is that karl ?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) i need to reboot to unfsck Netscape. back in a bit
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) touton.sucks and sims.sucks
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) joop 4 squaters going to stay or booted ?
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) Judith, no, the webcast is to continue only until 3pm.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) at which point the webcast staff has to begin to pack
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) sri, stay
<LeeMickalson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) touton is an idiot!
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) in order to catch our planes this evening
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:28) They'll stay, I think
<CarolinaLobo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) new TLD resolution is not resolving properly at cyber.law.harvard... pls reload
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) ah right//
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) acting as guest advisor to tech companies
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) so there is no chance for .web during this time
<AnthonyGallagher> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) People, until next time :O)
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) charging them extraorbitory prices for the scam
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) give them gold watches
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) Bye Anthony
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) wow... i'm still shaking... this was completely unexpected. I can't wait to hear what Chris has to say about the next step
<JoannaLane> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) JDS...this is the best result that could be expected in the circumstnaces
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:29) am i hearing right ?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) save this page before it evaporates! http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/new-tld-res.html
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) I'm really disappointed that we won't be able to see the new board
<CarolinaLobo> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) thanks!
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) are the four squatters actually going ?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) no
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) damned
<MichaelRelton> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) Thanks for everything Ben
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) is Ester leaving
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) yes
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) somebody in the room, please stay and scribe for us here
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:30) Vint Cerf for President!
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) he will be
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) oh oh...
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) learning experience at individuals expense
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) We will make some effort to begin disassembly with equipment that doesn't affect the webcast.
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) blah blah...we are so incompetent
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) Now we just need to have what some call "public elections"
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) That'll last for perhaps the first 20 minutes, we anticipate.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) thanks Ben
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) Thank you Ben and Rebecca
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:31) thanks Ben
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:32) thanks Ben
<AlexanderSvensson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:32) yes, thanks Ben and Rebecca!
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:32) Thanks
<RonaldWeikers> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:32) Thanks Ben and Becca
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:32) thx ben and becca
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:32) This is the last time: No Clapping
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:32) You guys should check out the new Wired (8.12) and the article on Esther Dyson
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:32) Yes, thank you Ben & Rebecca
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:33) Thank you all for participating.
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:33) Well, I should be working now.. good night, I will talk to you later
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:33) thank you, Becca for putting up with us
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:33) adoc ? thats because u don't adress us
<KendallDawson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:34) ps... I really really really dislike Hans... bye!
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:35) there he goes again !!!
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:35) BEN: wwwhen I tried reconnecting is said "bad configuration for <url> has seomething changed there?
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:36) any good articles summarizing the meet ?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:36) wish they would hurry up and quit so we cansee the new board
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:36) anyone
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:36) Ah, Melbourne. Are you sure you are ready for this ICANN
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:36) nothing has changed. which link? please be specific.
<RonaldWeikers> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:36) See you all in March. Bye.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:36) ok, hang on
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:37) no meetings in third world ?
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:37) Yes, Melbourne
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:37) go figure now eal works fine. Fifth time lucky I guess.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:37) Buy hanging.td off me now. Only one mill. It's topical.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:37) Yay!
<jd> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) bye all
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) brb
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) bye all
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) .td is the ccTLD for Chad
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) Oh, another icann meeting on the tail of an ISOC meeting. The olf trick of getting ISCO people to show up for ICANN (or IFWP) meetings
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) ISOC
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) By March, ICANN may not have too many non-alt options left if net users vote with their addresses.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) Folks, a little info on what happens next.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) Meeting continues, per comments a few minutes ago.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:38) But official webcast is ending.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:39) why?
<JEANPOLLY> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:39) great choice in music ben
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:39) Per prior disclosure a bit ago, we have unchangeable travel obligations.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:39) back
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:39) We'll try to keep the audio and video up for at least twenty minutes, which will most likely be possible.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:39) no offense but i've never heard of that Ben
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) Kristy, I'm not sure what you mean.
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) Thanks for all your work, B Edelman and R Nesson. See you in Melbourne.
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) well, usually NWair doesn't let you on the flight you paid for
<miKe|away> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) Hmm I cant log into the video cast, what happened?
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) ICANN's http://www.icann.org/mdr2000 reflects which meetings will be webcast.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) Nothing has changed so far as I know, Mike.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) Which feed are you trying to use?
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) they're butchering a decent song
<miKe|away> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) realaudio
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:40) won't connect
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) I've never walked into an airport and had to buy a new ticket with in 48 hours of missing my flight
<miKe|away> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) It says the rm isnt found
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) the 1116 feed link is dead
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) they always put me on a plane :)
<Pinsel> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) Have the @large Directors been seated yet?
<miKe|away> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) What has gone on so far today?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) Richard, per my earlier question, what I meant was, can't you gateway a *.orsc via *.com/*.com
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) no
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:41) er make that /*.orsc
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:42) ben is the meeting still going on? All i get is garbeled screaming on the audio feed
<Alexander> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:42) Aren't they actually on the board the logical second after the board meeting was adjourned?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:42) music, Richard
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:42) that's not music. I've heard music and it doesn't sound like that.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:42) haha
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) here we go
<Pinsel> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) Well, I expeceted to see an introduction or something.
<miKe|away> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) What has gone on so far?
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) i'm not really sure what you mean gary, can you give me a concrete specirfi example
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) The meeting is still taking place.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) The webcast on the primary video feed continues.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) but we can't hear it is that correct?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) I can.
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) Ok. thanks.
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) I can hear it. Can reflect the audio if you need another feed.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:43) but only on the primary feed? the 56K one?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:44) i can hear it
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:44) it would probably be non-trivial, but set up a .com site that windows in using .orsc
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:44) that would be good duncan
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:44) I can only get the berkman audio feed to work
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:44) give me a sec...
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:44) like what for example gary
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:45) let me be more clear. IS THERE ANY FEED THAT lets yo uhear whats going on there now (besides the 56K one)
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:45) I'm thinking mebbe java or something that goes out and queries and bring the page in, perhaps in a frame
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:45) oh, yeah a proxy, yeah, the tinc guys did that but it defeats the whole puspose
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:45) RealAudio Feed: Primary, Secondary, hosted by the Berkman Center from Massachusetts
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:45) secondary workds
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:45) audio only
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:45) is there talking or that "music"
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:46) talking
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:46) I was thinking that that way you've got the traffic, and then once people are into it you tell them how to go to the next step of reconfiguring for additional speed
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:46) good afternoon, Lisa.
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:46) ok, so we have audio but no video, is that right?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:47) Wow. Lisa. You've stopped hyperventilating already?!
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:47) I've got video, perhaps you don't get it if you reconnect
<ORSC_Hostmaster> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:47) why woud they bother gary
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:47) yes, but I haven't stopped shaking enough to type
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:47) lol :)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:47) I guess he earned that today.
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:47) Whys that Andrew?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) mike - weren't you here?
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) nope
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) You frame them into a different world, it is cool to use napster, etc.
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) What happened?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) Lisa, my heart goes out to you and Chris.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) Then they can get .web and it becomes a fait accompli
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) summary impossible... i'll link you to where i was posting for afternic
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) ok
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) http://www.afternic.com/index.cfm?a=members&sa=thread&ForumID=32&TID=23059&MID=23059#23059
<miKe> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:48) whats the url?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:49) you over there foolstop?
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:49) no marcia
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:49) Good deal. Didn't Pisanti support Chris today too?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:49) partly Judith. Some comments were good, some not
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:49) they gave me a notable thread marcia :)
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:49) http://www.afternic.com/index.cfm?a=news
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:49) hehe, 15 mins of fame...
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:49) rtsp://205.162.249.25/live/icann.ra
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:50) sorry about the delay.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:50) What's that about Mike Roberts?
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:50) good going Andrew :)
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:50) VINT IS CHAIR
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:51) ty
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:51) excellent
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:51) no scribe?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:51) pisanti vice chair
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:51) no
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:51) they elected exec committee, didn't list names, five abstentions
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:51) I lost sounds for a minute - 5 abstained from what?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:52) electing exec committee
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:52) exec committee
<Pinsel> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:52) Who abstained for Vint and Pisanti?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:52) don't know
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:52) Damn, I wish we had video.
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:52) it wasnt recorded
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:52) I'm watching it
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:52) ic
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:53) Gary, live or remote?
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:53) remote
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:53) it's slow and choppy but does update
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:53) guess i got back on just in time
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:53) video is a very wide camera shot, faces maybe three pixels wide.
<LisaAmbler> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:54) I'll see you all
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:54) bye
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:54) bye Lisa. Good luck
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:55) who is the jonothon on the board
<MatthewPappas> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:55) adios
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:55) I was hoping the new members would speak
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) and they killed the a/v feed.
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) i was hoping I'd be able to hear what was going on, I missed everything. grrrrr
<AndrewMoulden> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) Time I went.... bye all... it's been a blast! See you on the boards, in australia...
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) thanks All bye
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) scribe's notes from earlier were informative.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) bye
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) scrbes notes are wrong
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) Well, I'm off to email my congressmen. And tomorrow I'll be calling them. Please all do the same.
<MarciaArbott> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:56) Good bye everyone. See you in Melbourne.
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) oh? noticed a few minor discreps yesterday... today was very offtrack?
<KristyMcKee> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) if not sooner Marcia
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) Re Melbourne meeting-- special invitation to all non-USA peoples to attend ICANN meeting M10-13. If you need help getting here, please contact info@humanrights.com.au as one coordination node.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) Is there still audio? I lost it
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) same here
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) lost my AV
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) do they hand out plane tickets len
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) no audio
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) no audio
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) sorry, nothing for me to reflect.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) it's finished
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:57) won't reload, guess that's it
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:58) Berkmen used to do this for free. now they get paid to do it and don't do as good of a job
<JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:58) I'm off to get some work done, everyone have a good day/evening.
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:58) that's true of the net in general
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:58) bye Judith
<GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:58) bye Judith, will check your site
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:58) maybe berman is going public
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:59) was this the last meeting day?
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:59) rjs - what differences did you note between the notes and the audio feed w/r/t .web and IO_Design?
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 17:59) i have in email a bunch of complaions that what was scribed is not what weas said, ans when they
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:00) were aslked to correct it, would not. Barbra simmons was the worst case
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:00) rjs, if you can put it together, I'll post it on tldlobby
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:00) ask barbra for it
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:00) have her e-mail?
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:01) note also dengate thrush had to ask mosy vehemntly to get his statements corrected and the similar fauz pas with cerf and iod topday
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:01) didn't catch thrush
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:01) I was away for over an hour
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:02) very last speaker yesterday
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:02) wqell, i guess it's all over. another debacle out of the way
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:02) I'd have to replay the video
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:02) um, when do they actually decide tlds then?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:02) true
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:02) they are going to leave comments open til March, they said
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:02) march of what year?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:03) 2001 :)
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:03) so they'll decide in march?!?!?!
<duncan> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:03) that's a long time for the arguments presented here to be forgotten about...
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:03) I don't know when they start negotiating
<LenLindon> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:03) rjs, yes, we should have a travel fund for non-biz peoples from around the world (not just USA/Europe) to attend as a matter of urgency.
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:03) I think right away
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:03) Len, I'll accept contributions to fight for .BIZ
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) thanks ben and all
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) no, he said non-biz :-)
<SrikanthNarra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) bye everyone
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) ben is not here
<JDS> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) Seems to me that it worked out were they left Chris Ambler in a subordinate position where he can negoite to have .web but afilias would be a part of ity?
<biztld-ORSC> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) bye sri
<RNesson> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) Goodbye, folks.
<JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) thanks Ben and Rebecca. See you all guys, and don't forget to join the iDNO :-)
<rjs> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) bye becca
<BenEdelman> (Thu, November 16, 2000 at 18:04) Bye, folks