ICANN Public Forum Chat Log

Nickname - Message
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 10:54) Greetings, folks.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 10:55) The meeting will begin in about twenty-five minutes.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:14) hello
<sakichan> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:14) hello
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:20) how
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:20) sorry,
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:20) how's the ben and becca team doing today?
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:27) We're fine, thanks.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:28) good morning, ben
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:28) Morning y'all.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:28) hi J
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:28) Hi Judith
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:32) when he says "review UDRP", are we expecting it to get better or worse?
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:34) there is always hope for improvement, no?
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:34) you'd think
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:34) but I'm thinking more likely they redefine "bad faith" to be more inclusive
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:35) like trying to profit, period, regardless of IP
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:35) ha. I'm still not certain expectations are allowed
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:37) or, redefining what is "protected"
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:37) typos protected already
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:39) Hello Darren.
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:39) Greeting Lee and Fellow Internet Citizens
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:40) hello
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:40) Hello All
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:41) Unfortunate that more people aren't here with us today. Sad really!!
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:41) Will Onliners be recognized today?
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:43) I'm sure a few more people will be showing up soon.
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:43) see...lol
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:44) Online comments will be taken in conjunction with the in-person comments.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:44) Tentatively, two in-person comments, then one online comment, so long as there are substantive and on-topic online comments.
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:45) increidible - hardley anyone is here
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:46) Thanks Ben - we felt ignored yesterday
<DavidYoung> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:51) Ben, will these slides be posted?
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:53) I appreciate Jun's focus on future v6 needs--can't wait to be able to close the barn door *before* the horse gets away.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:59) howdy all
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:59) hi
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:59) dena, how goes it
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:59) hi joe!
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:59) Greetings from Canada
<DenaWhitebirch> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:59) Hey there Gene :)
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 11:59) you are better off watching remotely - this is ugly
<RayFassett> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:00) hello Gene.....
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:00) cambler, sleep much last night?
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:00) hi ray - thanks fo r your comments
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:00) Leah, I would appreciate if you could send me information on your organization.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:00) Plenty. Not much more to do here except give my 3 minutes this afternoon
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:00) chris, where are you - in your room?
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:00) me too, 3 minutes is BS
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:01) Yes, watching this on TV. I'll come down in 30-45 minutes or so
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:01) i could get more sleep right now, actually
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:01) brb - java break.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:01) During one of yesterday's meeting, I believe it was Barbara Simons who said that if a review of the At Large election is to take place, then a review of how all directors are selected, should instead take place, and Andrew agreed. Does any have notes pertaining to this?
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:02) they are on the scribe notes from yesterday
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:02) also, they stated they will seat the new directors tomorrow
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:02) I thought so but can't find it ... ?
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:03) go to the Berkman site - i reviewed it this morning
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:03) yes, tomorrow at the end of the meeting, after all decisions are made.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:03) They will seat them tomorrow, as there's a "special" meeting of the board after the main meeting ends.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:03) yeah... BRB...
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:04) Ken seems a bit nervous this AM
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:05) must have had a hard time deciding which hat to wear this morning ...so many to choose from
<anon355> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:05) lol - cow man
<anon355> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:05) (lewco here)
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:06) hello lewco
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:06) :)
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:06) is the audio working on backup #1 or is it just me that can't hear?
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:07) RealVideo feed is working ( I'm participatring remotely in Japan)
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:07) Lee - Does this guy really expect us to buy this stuff??
<essebi> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:08) wich stuff man?
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:08) He would like for us to.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:08) I'm getting good feed in Ontario, Richard.
<rjs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:08) from which feed?
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:08) Funding from Verisign not influencing NC - Yea Right!!
<essebi> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:09) where exactly to get the feed ?
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:09) asking if it was "unconditional" was very smooth
<rjs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:09) you can pick a feed on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/broadcast.asp
<essebi> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:09) thanks rjs i am there now...
<essebi> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:10) first try : no good
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:10) try backup
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:10) secondary
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:10) Any ideas what kind of $$ are actually involved in running this - I would think not much!
<essebi> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:10) if any :)
<essebi> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:10) thanks rjs.... trying it now
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:10) Leah - Are you here??
<rjs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:11) have to reboot again. Good old Real/MS garbage. Back in a bit.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:11) PowerPoint presentations for the PSO and ASO were just posted to the archive.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:11) link from agenda.
<essebi> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:12) thanks ben
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:13) GeneMarsh, second look thru scribe notes, I still can't find it -- you saw it there?
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:13) try http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/presentations/murai-RSSAC.htm
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:14) Professional support - Give me a break!!
<essebi> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:16) remote partecipants:100 signups
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:18) if you reboot enouhg times apparantly it works.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:19) Richard, you might also try the windows media connection.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:19) In my personal experience, that MS software is considerably more stable than Real's offering.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:19) We look forward to offering both options in the future.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:19) which MS software Ben?
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:20) you can hear it in microslush instead of realbad audio
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:21) windows media architecture
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:21) http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmedia
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:22) yeah, i probably should go through the pain of the 9 meg downlaod to grab the new version. Ceertainly the old verison is extremely buggy, mush worse than real, bad as it is
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:23) every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better....
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:23) uh, i guess. sad ot think this is where I wanted to go today. hah
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:24) I would not miss this for anything.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:24) Good morning John.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:24) hey chris
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:25) there is no truth to the rumor that Verisign is buying IOD
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:25) open question? more like open sore. ten years and the fundamental design is till changing
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:26) there is no truth to the rumon VRx is buying verisign
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:27) Good day everyone
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:27) Richard - I've experienced this problem before with ben - you can bypass the cookie block he has on the RA servers by using an old version of real - if you can find one.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:27) I probably already have it. I'm VERY slow to upgrade and only do so if I HAVE to.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:28) # of people and various pets he means
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:29) hmm, guess the fraud detection is um, suboptimal
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:29) Meow
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:29) mine didn't work.... I did get a nice letter from the Florida Secretary of State...
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:30) pets make good voters
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:30) The ballot was confusing, and too many people voted for Kevin Mitnick
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:30) lol
<anon355> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:30) Chris - do you have any gut feelings about which way the Webs will go?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:30) Yes.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:30) yeah, me too.
<anon355> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:30) would you care to share them?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:30) I bought some idiots pin from eBay and voted for Pay Buchanen
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) Pat
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) hi richard
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) Yesterday Andrew agreed with Barbara Simons that what's appropriate is a sturdy of how all directors are elected. Does anyone have notes of those comments? (They're not in the scribes notes, that I can see.)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) It wouldn't be appropriate, I think.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) richard, we need to talk - soon.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) very soon
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) Now I'm preparing a comment about mobilization on At-Large election in the AP region. If you have interest, please see also: http://www.CivilSocietyInternetForum.org/election-report.html#appendix
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) I'm here Gene. It's not like I go anywhere.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) hi K2
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) Hi Chris, are you at the meeting?
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) I'm looking Judith, but not finding either.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) Yes, I am, Marcia.
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:31) hello Gene
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:32) Very good, thanks.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:32) Mr. Berryhill, hello
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:32) Hi gene, if you can't get Richard, then just call me and I'll tell you what he'd say
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:32) Will the study be by species?
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:33) kevin, anyone else watching?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:33) DATELINE LOS ANGELES: ICANN yesterday expanded until every living human (and a few only expected of being human) is part of an ICANN committee
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:33) yes, steve and matt are in and out
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:34) going offline to move locations.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:35) Theye never did do that ICANN cookbook. Plus, they should look at infomercials.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:35) ICANN keeps creating reasons for it to exist. What a racket.
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:35) sell flowers in airports
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:35) K2, get Donn to take a peek when he can
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:35) finally getting scribe's notes
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:36) ok
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:36) how about pencils, john?
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:36) [sally struthers] 'Please open your heart, an ICANN committee is waiting to hear from you'
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:36) Maybe there should be a "sponsor an IP address" campaign.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:36) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40176,00.html good article yesterday.
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:37) does esther dyson have a cold. She looks nasal
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:38) LA air can do that to you Joe. Every time I go there I get that.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:38) studies, reports, diversity, concensus, additional dollars! ICANN buzz words.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:38) richard, had interesting conversation with roland meyer
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:38) X Dollar, X Tasks and X Time Frame - That certainly clarifies things!
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:38) she ate too much dead lobster last night
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:38) do you really expect clarity?
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:39) vint cerf also looks sick - bags under the eyes.
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:39) How about a budget or something tangible? This is ridiculous!
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:39) Ken takes the "looks sick
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:39) Ken takes the "looks sick" award for the day
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:39) Ken who?
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:39) he can barely catch his breath
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:39) Stubby
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:40) Yesterday NC said they're GA members too, and so should represent the GA in voting for a GA chair. IPers will say they're at large members too, and so represent at large in its decisions. capture capture capture.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:40) BEN, don't let Esther forget completely about the web submitted questions
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:41) so we are right back to individual and small business dn holders having no voice of their own
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:41) did michael get the buttons?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:41) unacceptable leah
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:41) the No BS buttons? yes
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:41) of courese, but par for ICANN
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:41) have we seen one yet?
<DarrenOtt> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:41) I agree with you Leah.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:41) yes - they are everywhere
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:42) Gene, will you be distributing the buttons?
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:42) no
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:43) awwww
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:43) i like my job]
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:44) gene, kurt & K1 say hello
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:44) (I cannot see the mark "have been read to the assembled group" in the public comments yet)
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:46) right on Karl
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:46) Karl works for a living
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) wooo hooo!! KARL!
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) YEAH KARL
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) Thank you Karl!
<RayFassett> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) I feel I've been heard....
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) Karl for president!
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) lol : ))
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) This guy is great!!!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) remote applause ~~~~~~~~~
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:47) applesauce
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) that's why we voted for him!
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) happy to say i voted for him :)
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) clap clap clap clap clap
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) Online comments??? WOW
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) Dang, now we can't say no-one's paying attention...
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) I was on the phone and I have ablack scribe screen... what did Karl say?
<JoeHowe> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) Now this is a meeting!!
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) uh oh...
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) Karl said a mouthful...
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) everything salient, very shortly
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:48) REBECCA - refresh your comment list
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:49) roberto NICE CLOTHES!!!
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:49) looking better lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:49) What is wrong with so-called Common Cause?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:50) nohting, I was expecting them to drop a bombshell. I guess not yet.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:50) nothing
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:50) K2 check your email
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:52) done
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:52) Antarctica is an international zone -
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:53) Ah. Penguins need domain names too.
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:53) penguin.org won the UDRP
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:53) oops
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:55) yeah, voting pressure was bad... I had to vote for Karl, or else Richard was going to publish certain photographs....
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:55) That included all the votes from my penguins
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:55) Don't like clean sheete? Ewwwwww.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:55) yeahm but do the domain names fall over with the penguins when the air force flies over?
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:55) Rebecca, what happened to my question?
<_r> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:55) Bac luck, Judith. ,-)
<_r> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:56) s/bac/bad
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:56) Karl rocks ok
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:56) he does, doesn't he
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:57) He ought to talk to Froomkin
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:57) he would have been more effective if he didn't keep waving that button wired to something under his army jacket
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:57) Karl is a good man.
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:57) get somebody to show one of the buttons on the video feed, gene
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:57) lol@john
<_r> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:58) bye
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:59) Is that Bob Dylan or is my sound really screwed up?
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 12:59) wb anon
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) how long is this break
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) both
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) it's hard to know the difference
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) its break time
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) how long
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) It's Bob Dylan with the sound really screwed up.
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) Ben, my scribed notes have been stuck on K. Simmons for quite some time
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) til 10:35
<anon355> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) thanks Denise dear
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) No, the sound is fine... it just sounds like Dylan
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) how come the commercials are always louder? This noise is way loud.
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:00) thanks Denise - just a few minutes to go.
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:01) who ever told him he could sing?
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:01) lol john
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:01) gene, show us one of the buttons, or get someone to
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:02) Mr Clean!
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:02) lewco: u missed karl auerbach, huh?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:03) there is too much confusion....
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:03) maybe she should sing along
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:04) sounds good
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:04) Businessman there, drink my wine, come and take my domain name
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:04) show us a board squat button
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:04) hahaha gary
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:04) Hey another ICANN funs raiser. "ICANN does Dylan". Call now, operators are standing by.
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:04) welcome to ICANN kareoke night
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:04) actually, they owe a broadcast royalty for this use of the music...
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:04) they'd better
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:05) Ben, are you there?
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:06) The RIAA has a hotline for reporting copyright violations.... anybody need the link? ICANN is distributing copyrighted music for free vvia realplayer
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:06) Is everyone's scribed notes up to date?
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:07) no scribe update here
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:07) I don't have any scribed notes. Still not coming through.
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:07) Ben, you know this is illegal, right?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:07) I have video only, no sound, and mine have been stuck for quite awhile
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:07) robertzimmerman.com for sale, cheap!
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:07) "and your sons and your daughters are beyonf your command, for the times they are a changing". Good choice of music.
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:07) The times they aren't a-changing that much
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:08) Maybe it's Bob's donation, John.
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:08) (my http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111500.html is updated)
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:08) my scribes are fine
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:08) I doubt he owns the copyright in the recording being illegally played here
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:10) Welcome to ICANN Kareoke night. First up, Ken Stubbs will do Presley's "My way". After that, Dyson will perform "Leaving on a jet plane", followed by Auerbach doing the Beatles "Revolution". PLease enjoy 99 cent domains and all the bribes you can make.
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:10) Bob once went after Apple for codenaming a work in progress 'dylan'
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:10) don't miss the tunes at www.louis-touton.com
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:11) ...Till Dylan Thomas came to him in a dream
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:11) lol cow!
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:11) Marcia, I'm here.
<anon355> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:11) brb - to come here?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:12) Hi Ben, my scribed notes weren't updated again. Apparently they're on break?
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:12) yes, on break
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:12) As I've said, I have video but no sound..so what are these ppl saying and why?
<GretchenSchoel> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:13) hi. Nobuo Sakiyama -- you still there? I would like to ask you a little about your comment. how could I get in touch with you?
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:13) Hi I'm here.
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:13) I've noticed the conversation here has gone downhill "BEN". People are not sticking to topical discussion - does that mean I can start discussing fruit cocktails?
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:14) I don't know about you but I was listening to the Telecast through windows Media Player7 and it displays a Tiedyed pattern that moves to sound variations and voice patterns... it's like ICANN tripping out on LSD
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:14) my e-mail address is sakichan@sakichan.org .
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:14) No, that's normal Asher - it really looks like that
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:15) ICANN looks like that or Media player looks like that?
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:15) you can even change that display to something else.
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:15) the media player silly
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:15) I tried chaning it and lost the telecast!
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:16) I know they are at lunbch now
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:16) Either that or you did some of that bad ICANN acid that's going around. Much worse than the brown acid at Woodstock or the black acid from the 72 Nixon campaign
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:16) This is it, folks... badbeat@riaa.org or 1-800-BADBEAT - they need to be provided with the URL of the webcast page, and they'll take it from there
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:16) Richard I don't Use any!
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:16) not at lunch, just a short break
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:16) Then hw do you know what it's like ? :-)
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:17) woops, that's badbeat@riaa.com
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:17) ahh man this music is hurting me... sounds like a garbled tape
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:17) They aren't out to lunch?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:17) perpetually
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:17) just let them know that some pirate organization is broadcasting Dylan via realplayer
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:18) lol
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:18) there is music being played in the background here in the auditorium. It's too noisy to tell if it's dylan or not, but that could be the source of the noise
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:18) Hey... be Glad it isn't Bay City Rollers!
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:18) "short break" almost over
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:19) or KC & Sunshine :)
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:19) Get the time of the next break, and if enough people let the RIAA know when the next broadcast is, then we can probably fix the music
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:19) or Village People!
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:19) do they take requests? I'm surprised nbody showed up wioth Grateful Dead bootleg tapes.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:19) ok, I'm glad
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:19) that would be good
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:19) and legal
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:19) I'd like to hear ICANN sing "I'm not that innocent"
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:20) Or "Girls just wanna have fun"
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:20) Should we all joing in now for a chorus of We Are The world?
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:20) all they know is the hokey-pokey
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:20) or, their answer to general consensus "Dream On"
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:21) knock knock knocking on roberts head....
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:21) everybody's first guitar song - can be played with 3 chords. C, D, F, C, C, d, F, C, D, F...knock knock knock
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:21) Hey that was an interesting point... the Chineese employees being Ordered to vote a certain way by their employers.
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:21) Momma take this application offa me.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:21) Japanese
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:22) I juat cant afford it any more...
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:22) Knock Knock Knock on Heaven's door....
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:22) Seems like I'm knocking on ICANN's door
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:22) knock knock nocing on ICANN's door
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:22) all together now
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:22) just like a thousand times before
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:22) Momma put my servers in the ground
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:23) They're singing to Chris, "We will, we will BLOCK YOU"
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:24) Ok... Lunch break for me... Tossed Salad, with Rasberry Vinagrette Dressing... and a Spicy Shrimp salad Sandwich
<RayFassett> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:24) sounds like $16k a minute...what a deal
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:24) ICANN'T eat a bite... too excited about next session
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:24) shoot I didn't give my presentation!
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:24) 3 whole minutes for david to take on goliath
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:25) good timing, my lighter was running out of fluid
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:25) Turning on speaker and running upstairs
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:25) lol gary
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:25) wooo hooo the good stuff!
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:25) I'm essentially deaf...what's going on?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:26) yeah, me too, audio died
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:26) Can't read lips
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:26) just settling in right now... staffs report on TLD apps to be heard now
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:26) Talk about the Board asking presenters to stay until tomorrow for questioning
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:26) Why does she keep getting close-ups?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:26) Which presenters, Rob?
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) First comes the staff infection
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) TLD presenters
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) very astute comment Gary
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) "is it safe? Is it safe... is it safe?" Pass the clove oil.
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) Questioning?
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) back
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) lol
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) Staff = micky, goofy, daffy
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:27) Just being tired & cynical sorry
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:28) larry moe curly
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:28) Louie louie.... whoa.... he gotta go... yah yeah... oh, sorry, break's over
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:28) manny moe and jack
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:28) i second gerys call!
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:28) ...then the bathing suit competition...
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:29) i wanna see a belly flop contest
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:29) Great. I'll have to slaughter a pig to get that image out of my mind. Thanks John.
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:30) lol
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:30) chop-level domains
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:30) we have a dinger! and a gong!! woo hoo
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:30) .tv .nu .tm .fm .am are not generic?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:30) um, my audio/video is still dead. is this normal?
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:31) and .td. It's topical. hanging.td now on auction for $1mil
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:31) the current process was referred by the icann board to the dnso...dates berlin
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:31) nc responded by forming working groups....
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:31) those groups were B - famous names c-other issues
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:31) the groups worked for 8 months
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:32) and produced reports... there were recommendations
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:32) we then chucked all that and asked for money....
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:32) lol
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:32) shoot- lost audio
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:32) yup
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) lost everything
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) no animals were harmed in the new TLD process
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) lost video
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) now we have the doggy audio track. what's up here
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) ditto
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) video died
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) yup and link is outdated
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) John, you made me laugh so hard I spilled my coffee.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) died under load perhaps. so much for the scalability issues. Maybe it's one of those "stability of the internet things
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:33) and then I lost my connection
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) probably dont want us to hear some things
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) that's what he was talking about when mine went
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) never attribute to malice etc.
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) arghhhhh
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) please insert $50,000 to continue
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) the real time mime is also out
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) i can't believe this
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) really, just the standard litany of what they'
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) ve laready done
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) lol
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) realtime scribe has not added anything for several minutes
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:34) So no more Dylan?
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) does anyone have video??
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) no
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) yes, I do but no sound
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) no
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) i have video
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) no
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) last note was that louis was delivering his report
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) and audio
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) uh oh, Ben gave up?
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) both are working here at 26,4 ... he's singing tambourine man
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) I have video - no one is seated (eh, sitting yet)
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:35) Ben was having hotel switchboard trouble yesterday.
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:36) anyone in?
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:36) i still can't get anything
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:36) not yet
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:36) You know that a new problem hotels hadn't considering when wiring their telephone services?
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:36) audio from javascript:showDualWindow(4);
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:36) uh oh, now I've lost both
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:36) i cant either cow
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:37) nah, ben just decided that the report didn't need to be scribed
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:37) available online
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:37) oops that would be the 3 (audio only) link from the Real-Time Remote Viewing and Participation area
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:37) "requested file not found"
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:38) getting audio from there now but it's choppy. 1 secodn of sound, 15 of silence. Oh well I guess you can't make an omlette without killing all the chickens.
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:38) there's only 175 online viewers now? less than yesterday? incredible..
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:38) i get the same thing richard
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:38) uhm- i man rob
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:38) requested file not found
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:38) i'm getting audio now
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:38) from the audio only link
<DotComs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) like a blip in The Matrix
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) which did u use cow?
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) I think my call to the RIAA worked
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) thx cow
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) should all be back soon
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) whyzzat gene?
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) secondary video feed works
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) audio only here
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) Stubbs tripped over the plug
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:39) my vids frozen
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:40) it's getting better, I'm up to a 20% duty cycle now. I heard "evaluatiom" and "careful".
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:40) Richard, you must be joking
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:40) my audio froze
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:40) someone trip over the cord?
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:41) technical support by NSI
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:41) I can't get back in at all. It keeps telling me the link is outdated
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:41) no, someone accorded the trip to Afilias
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:41) and they don't need to watch
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:41) good call bob
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:42) I wasn't spending all that time eating... someone just Regged 5 Domain names and insisted on paying with Paypal so I had to enter 'em mannually
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:42) Ben, is the realserver overloaded? It seems to not be working for quite a few folks
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) thanks for that asher ...what it has to do with us, I have no idea
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) something has slowed down the network here at the meeting
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) not woking for me.
<GretchenSchoel> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) Mine too - audio and video shut down.
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) working
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) jdrp legal team searched their conflict services...there wasn't any
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) affecting everything, not just the realnetworks connection
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) wb Ambler
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) down here
<RNesson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) I am not sure whether you received my previous comment regarding temporary loss of net. If you are having trouble with video, please use the audio feeds. The video should be ok now. Also the presentation being given is available linked from the agenda.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:43) still unable to view or hear
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:44) I'm listeing to the audio only feed and am getting half a secnd of sound then 20 seconds of silence
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:44) Net loss was noticed here in MDR... is it working ok now?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:44) Chris, do you know Karen Kaplan?
<RNesson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:44) The net is o.k. now.
<Jeffreyskimming> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:44) They're sounding vey scared to me. Already defending their objectivity.
<DenaWhitebirch> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:44) I can't get it at all...will try a different connection.
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:44) objectivity my ass
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:45) No, Marcia, the name doesn't ring a bell offhand.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:45) whats MDR chris?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:45) Oh - works now
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:45) Marina Del Rey, Richard
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:45) hello all - hi Chris
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:45) ah
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:45) whose this guy?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:45) it just came back Dena
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:46) She is present at the meeting. I've sent her background info. She's a reporter for the LA Times. I'm asking you to please speak with her on behalf of those of us that have voiced our opinions regarding your registry. Thank you.
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:46) some legal guy i think
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:46) Louis Touton
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:46) Therefore clearly the problem was YOU Dena :-)
<Jeffreyskimming> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:46) Chris, reassure me that you have one or more attorneys with you.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:46) Judith hi - "foolstop" here
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:46) Folks, just wanted to make sure everyone knows this presentation is available online (as of quite a while ago, Becca tells me):
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:46) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/agenda-pf-111500.html
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:47) I don't know how mentioning how many of our legal staff are here would re-assure you...
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:47) Chris, she wrote the LA Times article about the meeting on Mon, and is writing another for Friday's edition.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:47) thanks ben
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:47) thank you Ben
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:47) okay, what'd I miss?
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:47) the video audio sounds better too.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:47) K2, you listening?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:47) nothing
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) Oh, link is added: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/presentations/touton-tlds.html
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) he's still reviewing the process and conflict-checking, rich
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) the longest intro to the tld app reviewal process possible
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) I am emailing her again and letting her know you are there also.
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) 9 criteria, etc.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) Are there no scribe note?
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) it'
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) just lost audio - again and no scribe notes
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) @#$#@$
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) 47 applications... marooned on an island... which one will survive?
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) and we threw out the entire idea of competition
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:48) nothing to note may be?
<BRoseman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) it's their opportunity to bore us to death
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) yes http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111500.html
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) i havn't ha dany scribes notes todat
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) I have no sound...how is it going?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) Live scribe notes.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) "Fraud categories" huh?
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) Shold we recruit the Vote Counters from Florida for the ICANN vote on TLDs?
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) not live
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) this is frustrating to say the least
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:49) Touton sez: you get 3 minutes, I can be redundant forever
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) leah - can you get vid feed?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) yes
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) lol gary
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) with audio?
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) ok I've got A/V
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) routing of domain names to IP addresses? Oh God...
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) Can you all see the "General Applicants" slide that's up?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) audio just quit a couple of minutes ago with a loud crash
<DenaWhitebirch> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) lol
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) not really
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) no
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) no
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) No, did they take you off of it to save time?
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) hi mmmcow - "foolstop" here
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) hi
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) sortof, Chris, but blurred
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:50) Neustar's .web application: "Passed threshhold review; subsequent events have raised concerns"
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) yeah!
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) goodie
<Jeffreyskimming> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) where do the country codes fit?
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) how did iodesign fair?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) I thought .biz was for Belize.
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) lol@richard
<AlexanderSvensson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) is it the presentation on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/presentations/touton-tlds.html ?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) Guess I'm just a confused consumer.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) :)
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) got audio back
<RNesson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) I just checked the video and audio feeds and both are working. There is no scribing during the presentations. The presentation slides are available linked off of the agenda.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:51) .web is for warner brothers then, no?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) No, it's for ducks.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) its for Stubbs (sorry chris)
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) talk about a set up
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) rich, i need to run out.... you know what i want to know about... i'll check back in a bit over an hour
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) ICANN isn't what it's quacked up to be
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) Thanks Becca
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) I can't hear... how is .web doing? going to netsol?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) Groan. That was fowl.
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) Is the video and sound working yet?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) Hey foolstop - marcialynn from afternic!
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:52) looks that way anon - afilias
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:53) this is a big set up to justify their choice of afilias
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:53) he marcia - you look wierd with yr real name!
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:53) ya think?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:53) .....
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:53) follow the bouncing CORE cabal
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:53) "check mark in red, and i should explain that" - erm... no!
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:53) vid back
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:53) xcuse my ignorance...do they decide on the domains today??
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) no anon - they decided some weeks back
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) no, tomorrow
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) no
<JohnBerryhill> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) the schedule is posted at www.dnso.com/when
<AlexanderSvensson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) just for info -- the slide is now
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) wow...okay..so they decided a few weeks back,,,and they anounce it tommorrow?
<AlexanderSvensson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) number 15 at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/presentations/touton-tlds.html
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) .web afilias. .biz jvteam .nom core... any bets against?
<AlexanderSvensson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:54) oops, make that number 13
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) oh, it was a $50,000.00 mistake then?
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) slide 13 i think is what their on.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) bye Ken
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) cu later guys - K2, stay tuned...
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) cu
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) which one has serious concerns?
<GeneMarsh> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) neustar
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) neustar
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:55) Neustar
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:56) Noose tar
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:56) Now is where it happens.
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:56) so neustar's outa da picture..
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:56) was that Neustar?
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:56) :)
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:56) Is the video working or just the sound?
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:57) so...they announce who gets the names tommorrow?
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:57) YES
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:57) That's not correct.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:57) I think everbody that chimes the mantra "internet stability" should be asked to explain what it means
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:57) yeah!
<anon416> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) Was that really ken stubbs?
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) Christopher Ambler...could you explain pls/
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) yes
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) He didn't mention our $1m investment already. He didn't mention that we don't have ANY operating loss.
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) is anyone getting webcast? audio?
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) yes av
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) yes denise
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) i am denise
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:58) he's probably back on as an anon
<KevinBaker> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) i am getting video/audio
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) chris - was it mentioned in yr application?
<anon411> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) ChristopherAmbler...who are you with?
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) I'm trying, it's choppy
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) Yes, it was mentioned in the application.
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) who is this guy?
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) obviously he isnt one of your guys chris right,
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) which guy?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) yeah, who are yo uwith chris?
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) lol
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) Alternic?
<anon416> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) richard - doesnt everyone know who Chris is?
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 13:59) k- i have audio only now. whos talking right now?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:00) $5.75? Sheesh
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:00) Note that those lower figures represent years of operational losses. That concerns me, personally.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:00) This is technical coordination?
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:00) wry :) judith
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:01) with no operational experience. Doesn't it bother anybody they're all guessing?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:01) They're going to use the $450,000 figure now to scale our price into a completely incorrect profit number.
<Jeffreyskimming> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:01) I agree Chris, it seems to be the biggest risk to overall stability
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:01) Chris, did you correct them in writing beyond posting on the website?
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:01) why are they leaving IOD out of this part of it?
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:02) Slide 17
<RayFassett> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:02) you know, one way to reduce such called cybersquatters would be to raise the registry fee a little...oh, and allow a profit to take place too
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:02) Yes, but all applicants were informed that the public comment board was the appropriate place to post them.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:02) this is .biz mmmcow
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:02) ahhh, thx Andrew
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:02) thought it was all generic
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:02) ah
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:02) No, MmmCow, you were right. It's all of the generic unrestricteds.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) bye ken
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) oh
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) ok, thx
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) can't see slides
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) is video back up
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) Did Cerf just get Dyson-dissed?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) yes
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) Yes kevin
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:03) k switching from audio to video
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:04) phew- i have the webcast again
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:04) Now we REALLY get it here.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:04) how can you remain so philosophical chris?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:05) As opposed to what, Andrew?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:05) http://sunrise.open-rsc.org/
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:05) as opposed to furious, frustrated....!
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:05) he tried that
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:05) What would that accomplish? There are errors, we've corrected them, and there's not much more we can do.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:06) why are they explaining DNS 101?
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:06) to fill up the allotted time
<NobuoSakiyama> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:06) Slide 19(I'll quit and go to bed because my role (to send a comment about election) was finished and because it is about 4:20 am here. My address is sakichan@sakichan.org . bye).
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:06) fat model = there are no registrars
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:06) Richard: cause they're reinventing themselves as "the source"?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:06) but we have to pretend they still exist
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:07) and of course it's how 251 od the 253 tld registres work today
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:07) when is the telecast tommorrow?
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:07) chris - icann are about to totally frustrate all of us who supported IOD... who the hell supported afilias? so much for representation...
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:07) everybody who lost money supporting CORE, that's who
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:08) RP crashed my system again - just like yesterday
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:08) WHAT? We're a thick registry.
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:08) Chris,who are you with? IOD?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:08) didn't you say you were initially?
<dimitry> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:08) I met the woman who made the application and the comparison standard.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:08) uh, there IS no protocol.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:08) sheesh
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:08) well well well... this one they didn't fudge! Amazing.
<dimitry> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) They are making this up as they go along.
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) are you listed as Thick or thin, Chris?
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) on the slide
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) We're listed as thin, but there's no question that we're thick.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) as oposed to non-high-reliability internet applicatuions? Like what for example?
<Jeffreyskimming> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) If it doen't matter whether you're thick or thin, why bother making it a criteria?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) Someone please summarize what's been said - i have no scribe note or audio
<dimitry> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) Evaluating uptime requires following the path of one packet, then the paths of many...they didn't have the time for this.
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:09) thin
<AsherTech> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) Jeffrey I know Several women that would disagree with that comment!
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) someone said they'e about to trash IOD. true?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) nothing has been said really. They're just reasding the staff reoprt on the aplications from the icann website
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) geee, and who's on top?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) ty richard
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) ty?
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) i noticed that too cow...
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) thank you
<DeniseNiber> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) as well as whos on bottom ( i think)
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) ah :-)
<dimitry> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:10) Neustar has the most favored application on every front...tied more or less with Image Online.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:11) marcia - most is at http://www.icann.org/tlds/report/
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:11) if they're reading the report verbatim, I know it - thanks andrew ;)
<RayFassett> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:11) nah...that won't happen
<KevinAllen> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:11) i wonder how they are going to deal with all of your current clients chris just toss them out the door?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:11) if this guy had any experience he'd know you DON'T want lots of updates. With every update there is a chance for error.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:12) hehe.... no, they're running through the criteria and assigning a value or comment to each applicant for each criterion
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:12) That would be outside the scope of "technical coordination", Kevin
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:12) what, us crowd?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:12) Note no "more or less desirable" on this slide. Interesting.
<RayFassett> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:13) first come first, that's pretty out there, Chris
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:13) snorefest. if anybody is interested there is a beaver waddling through my north field
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:13) Kevin, the principles at stake here are more important than IOD's registrants.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:14) ok, any deviation from Nov 9 report there? anyone notice?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:14) no
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:14) who are they talking about??
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:14) Andrew, you are foolstop?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:15) Well, that's it. We've identified 3 errors and 1 disagreement. I get 3 minutes later on to comment on them.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:15) yes marcia
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:15) hello again - marcialynn from afternic
<MmmCow> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:15) I just heard a rumor that Ken Stubbs is running naked thru the hallways right now.....anyone there that can verify?
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:15) not my hallway.... tg
<KristyMcKee> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:16) what slide number at we looking at?
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:16) he's still wearing lots of haits
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:16) 27
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:16) So, does anyone have a rational argument that could support the claim that price at the wholesale registry level is technical coordination?
<KristyMcKee> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:16) gracias
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:16) chris - agree
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:17) You agree that it is technical coordination?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:17) ICANN setting registry pricing is not within their realm of appointed duties.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:17) Okay, I have to run now for a meeting. Thanks, everyone.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:17) no of course it isnt - neither frankly is number of employees, investors etc...
<Jeffreyskimming> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:17) Chris these guys sound like they've been advised to suppress their criticism of IOD. I'd say things are looking good.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:17) not looking good... they just need to cut themselves some slack
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:17) Thanks Chris
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:18) slid 30 now?
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:19) are the slides on icann's site?
<AlexanderSvensson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:19) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/presentations/touton-tlds.html
<AlexanderSvensson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:19) slide 30
<KristyMcKee> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:19) Bob - 31
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:19) thx
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:19) 32
<anon416> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:20) I only hope that Auerbach being there looking over their shoulder will make them make the correct decisions
<KristyMcKee> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:21) that would be the day
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:21) have they done .web yet??
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:21) babygoats.kids
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:22) lol
<KristyMcKee> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:22) be on the air?
<KristyMcKee> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:22) how about have bandwidth available!
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:22) what slide are they on?
<DavidYoung> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:23) 34
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:23) ty david
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:23) I tuned in halfway thru...have they done .web yet??
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:23) I know some very old kids
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:24) has anybody ever heardof anybody that actually wants a .kids name?
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:24) have not seen .web yet
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:24) I mean I have kids, and they're on the net, but nobody knows they're kids
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:24) oops, we have seen it.... sorry
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:24) by identinfying them as kids... i dunno about that
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:24) the potential registry community is not the marketplace!
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:25) That's not something ICANN should decide anyway
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:25) it's the market, not technical
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:25) true
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:25) Are they worried about being sued by the 'real' .kids operator-wannabees, or by Mike Palage?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:25) I agree Leah
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:26) The only choice they should be making is the decision about who get's what TLD if there are multiple apps
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:26) then check to see if they would duplicate other roots...
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:27) Then they'd all have to go out and get real jobs.
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:27) that means IOD and Diebold get theirs. None get .biz, etc.
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:28) not likely, Judith
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:28) They are simply going to invite trouble
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:28) It just occured to me, this decision is entirely based on which selections are least likely to invite deep-pocket litigation.
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:28) hello
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:28) It JUST occurred to you?
<MarciaArbott> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:28) deep-pocket being the key term
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:28) ok ok, so shootme
<RobJuneau> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:29) no
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:29) bang!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:29) (yes,deep-pocket being the key term)
<KristyMcKee> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:29) I forgive you Judith
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:29) oops, we have seen it.... sorry?
<BobStobbard> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:30) slide no. ?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:30) I did assume a decision based on who ICANN is taking its marching orders from, but not the litigation angle.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:30) "large number of negative public comments" - rofl
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:30) in both cases it's the lawyers, some overlap, no?
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:30) how did IOD do? will they get a slice of .web?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:31) how come they get to reform their structure, but IOD can't???
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:31) will pigs fly anon?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:31) ah yes, the traavel agent constituency. Holy.
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:31) Judith, bring that out, huh?
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:31) big time
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:31) They have apparently accepted changes from some and not others?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:32) anon426: nothing is known of how IOD's .web will fare
<Leah-TLDlobby> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:32) brb phone call
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:32) will pigs fly - another lewis carol fan - cheers
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:32) richard http://www.icann.org/tlds/report/ is known
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:32) thx richard
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:33) i was commenting on recen events
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:33) amazing how the other 251 tlds started with no money...
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:33) they're quite convincing at times, true...
<baptista> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:33) who is the chunky guy talking with the golden tie?
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:34) So registrypro can do that but IOD can't
<dimitry> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:34) He behaves like an Arthur Android consultant.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:34) dunno, but he just said he was affiliated with one of these groups. conflict?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:34) arthur anderson did collect money for CORE. Maybe he's an AA guy
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:35) registrypro's probably getting a slice of .web then?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:35) i wasn't aware there were slices of .web
<JudithOppenheimer> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:35) Leah, they accepted "Notice of Material Change" - but not "Notice of Material ICANNA Error", as far as I know.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:35) registrypro is .per
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:36) oh....are they just giving it to one registry?
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:36) strike that
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:36) unknown what they are doing
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:37) there can only be one registry for a tld anyway. simple law of physiscs.
<LeeMickalson> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:37) If they are smart they'll give it to IOD.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:37) are they gonna do anything besides read the staf report?
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:38) Folks, wanted to let you know that we're working hard on posting the powerpoint and HTML presentations of the TLD applicants.
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:38) Not everyone has gotten us their files according to the schedule we gave them yesterday.
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:38) registry pro is erm.... .pro
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:38) And some files didn't match the spec (too big, etc.)
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:38) for prostitutes?
<GaryOsbourne> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:39) thx Ben
<AndrewMoulden> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:39) slide 39
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:39) But almost all of those that were OK have been posted at ...
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:39) lol
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:39) (.pro)
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:39) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/tldpres
<BenjaminEdelman> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:39) about five presentations there are messed up, one way or another, and we're working on them now.
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:40) maybe if people were told to reqad this first we could avoind this boring reciatal of the staff report and gut on to live discussion/comments. This is a massive waste of time
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:40) when do we find out for sure who gets what? tommorrow?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:40) i'm not sure this is known
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:40) hi simon!
<anon426> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:40) ah
<DenaWhitebirch> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:40) hey Simon :)
<Simon_Higgs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:40) hi guys!
<Simon_Higgs> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:41) what have I missed?
<Richard_Sexton> (Wed, November 15, 2000 at 14:41) nothing. they're reading the staph report on tlds