| Nickname - Message |
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| <graham> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:27) morning |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:34) Good morning all |
| <Furlong> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:34) good morning |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:37) good morning Meg |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:45) We're still a little distracted with set-up right now, |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:46) But we'll be getting started shortly |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:46) ArielZusyaBenjamin: i forwarded that message |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:46) Makolee: thanks man |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:49) hey all. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:49) has the broadcast start yet? |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:49) DuranGoodyear: you back again? :) |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:49) DuranGoodyear: stuff is still being set up |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:49) ok |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:50) makolee: which ra address do you use? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) Hey erin |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) hello |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) ErinPettigrew: hows it going erin? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) good stuff |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) little tired |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) coffee is working |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) does the broad cast start at 2am? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) coffee? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) yep |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) lucky |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) yeah.... |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:51) DuranGoodyear: it's SUPPOSED to.. :) it was half an hour late or so last night |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) Hey bren |
| <BrenTamilio> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) hey |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) hey bren |
| <BrenTamilio> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) thanks or kicking our collective butts ;) |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) ah. you won duran |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) DuranGoodyear: i tried to stick around for the second webcast but i'm not sure exactly what happened to us.. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) BrenTamilio: Morning Bren |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) your welcome |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) :) |
| <BrenTamilio> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) hey erin, mako, ariel, meg... |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:52) ErinPettigrew: Morning Erin |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:53) hi ariel |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:53) This should be fun, all of us here, at cairo? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:53) hey... which of the various RA links do you guys suggest? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:53) mako: I can't wait till ariel meets babtista. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:53) how are you all getting those personal address thingys |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:53) ArielZusyaBenjamin: last night the best one was teh cairo feed |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:53) I used the feed from cairo last night |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:54) Hey Joop |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:54) DuranGoodyear: he hasn't left.. i've popped in and out a couple of times today.. :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:54) Mako: I see him. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:54) ErinPettigrew: I use a windows IRC client instead of the Java interface... it gives me a lot more options |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:54) hello all |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:54) ah ha |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:54) JoopTeernstra: hello again Joop |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:55) ErinPettigrew: if you want I can talk you through setting it up... I have it shared on my computer here on the local network |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:55) meg-how do we address q's to the assembly? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:55) (don't think meg is here) on the page with the real video links |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:55) at the bottom of it |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:55) that would be good. i am a little overwhelmed with my technical incapabilities at the moment |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:55) ErinPettigrew: you can discuss stuff here and actually ask people.. but there is a an actual "submit question" link on the participate page |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:55) right. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:56) ErinPettigrew: was that a yes? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:56) i see it |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:56) duran is tying up my line now |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:56) sorry guys, I got her first |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:56) like you got me |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:57) ok, so, she got me, but this isn't the alt.dating.teen.sex.college.relationships line... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:58) two brens? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:58) for the price of one |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:58) there can be only one |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:58) poor erin |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 01:59) duran |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:00) there are several people who ip ranges the same as Meg's.. are BeccaNesso and JohnWilban in Cairo? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:00) she should try mirc, it might be easier. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:00) yeah, I'm going to go help her. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:00) back later |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:01) o.k. I'll be back a little later, too |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:03) why am i not getting any conversation? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:03) i just see my own comments on the screen here |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:03) ErinPettigrew: no conversation going on |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:03) now i am getting it |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:03) that was weird |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:04) ErinPettigrew: is Duran asctually coming over there? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:04) i guess |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:04) lol |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:04) yeah. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:04) duran to the rescue! |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:05) (or something) |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:05) it is kind of insulting |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:05) ErinPettigrew: I could have talked you through it on the phone... would've taken 2 minutes tops |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:05) i have to go open the door for him now..... |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:05) lol |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:06) yeah ariel, but I'm here now, so it's all good. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:06) = duran |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:06) has it started yet? |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:07) baptista: not just yet.. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:10) alright, a real chat server |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:10) Hello Hampshire College |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:11) They just announced that we will start soon |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:13) hehe... funny seeing meg from thousands of miles away... *GRIN* |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:14) we are rolling... |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:14) They aren't supposed to show me! |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:15) Is anyone agreeing with what the webcast is....saying... |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:15) certainly true ariel |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:15) What she's saying right now is clouded with politics |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:16) thanks. |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:16) That's pretty vague |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:17) Please let us know if you experience technical difficulties |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:17) That's often the only way we know to fix things |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:17) whoa. where is the camera going? |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:18) The camera seems to be following the black jackets who are carrying the trays :) |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:18) aren't they the important people? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:19) hehe... yeah... we will take membership but we won't let members do anything with it |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:19) We're down a camera person this morning |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:19) what lag is he reffering to? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) Who actually recognizes ICANN as any sort of authority over the internet? |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) Did any of you go for registering for the At-Large Membership? |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) good call bren |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) Lots of governments now recognize ICANN |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) Choob: ya.. i did |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) i did too |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) which ones? asll western-industrial? |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) governments aren't the internet. people are |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) yeah |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) No, lots of smaller places, too |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) yeah... but recognize it as what? and just how much power do they conceed? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:20) People are the Internet, but many have never heard of ICANN |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:21) And it's not clear the others will get involved even if they do hear |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:21) besides the top-level domain name allocation? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:21) and 30% of Americans of voting age vote |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:21) Top-level domain name allocation may be all many governments conceed |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:21) that's the problem with ICANN. I was talking about the meetings with a few people today. Not a single person I spoke to even knew ICANN existed, even CARED.. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:21) But that question can be a narrow or broad one |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:21) 7% voted in primaries, Ariel |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:22) How many of you voted in the last election for which you were eligible? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:22) Choob: not many do, and hpefully not many ever will. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:22) i voted. |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:22) Choob: 7% of internet users ARE NOT registered for ICANN at-large membership.. NOT EVEN CLOSE |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:22) I wasn;t of age |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:23) MegSmith: i did |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:23) I wasn't talking about ICANN when I referred to the 7%..that was concerning the presidential primaries, but that's another topic |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:23) I spammed everyone I knew to register for ICANN, which few probably did |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:23) But that's one way to spread the word, and even if only three of the people I contacted did |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:24) That's a pretty speedy way to get the word out |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:24) yeah, but what will being a member end up getting you? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:24) That's not yet clear -- but not being a member clearly won't get it for you |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:24) Ok. i"m back |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:24) MegSmith: and you are intimtaely involved.. if slashdot hadn't posted it.. i wouldn't have heard.. well you mailed me but.. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:24) I refuse to register for at large, because that gives a nod to general support of ICANN. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:24) What would you prefer over ICANN? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:24) from my perspective what it ends up doing is giving that much more creedance to ICANN which may or may not server the community |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:25) does registering to vote give a nod to the us govt? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:25) meg - your comments about voting are invalid - statistics do not make elections |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:25) i dont see that as being a very productive way of thinking about it |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:25) It can be difficult to distinguish between passivity and passive resistance |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:25) I don't know that I have an alternative that I like but that doesn't mean there isn't reason to create an alternative... ICANN began with too much power and seems to have too little accountability |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:25) status quo. I conceed that ICANN should should handle TLD stuff, but it seems to be leaning toward some sort of governing structure, and I don't agree that there's any value to any sort of internet governance. |
| <jessicanelson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:25) alex, hj(aaron), and jessica here, waddup my homies? |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:26) MegSmith: although the idea of slashdot readers making up the dominanant political force (although I would CERTAINLY NOT argue that ICANN at-large membership is that) is a fun and cool concept (hey, it's people like me!) i still think that is scary as well |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:26) hey kids |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:26) makolee: lol |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:27) ArielZusyaBenjamin: I really buy into and love RMS.. but i'm kinda glad i'm in a minority |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:27) i am having a difficult time understanding this guy |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:27) Erin: (above) yes, but I'm ok with recognizing my government, it does things for me. I am a citizen. I don't want to be a "citizen of the internet" |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:27) okay. valid |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:27) Meg, is the scribes notes in progress? |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:28) my realvideo keeps segfaulting.. :) cute.. |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:28) Judging from the way people responded to the rotiseree question about being "citizens" of the net, I don't think very many of us find it to be valid in an entity like cyberspace |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:28) The presentation isn't being scribed because there are documents that will go up that express it |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:28) And because we're experiencing a few technical difficulties! |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:28) ok |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:28) Back shortly |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:29) Why is the Berkman Center so gung-ho about ICANN, anyway? |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:29) Hey. Did anyone notice that one of the sponsors behind these people (microsoft...) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:29) yeah, and a bunch of other fun corp power structures.. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:29) hmmm... fishy.. |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:29) Choob: i argued that the real world concept of 'citizen' was not really applicable to the internet.. i wouldn't say that locking people out is the answer.. you can have something LIKE a citizen and i think that's important.. it just needs to be reinvented |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:29) why not? it's in their best interest. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:30) (to choob, above) |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:30) How? Do you make up a new definition for it? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:30) yeah, amko, what do you mean? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:30) BTW, my role in here is to moderate (to an extent) and to play devil's advocate from time to time |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:30) I'm sorry, who is choob? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:31) Not to defend ICANN or necessarily to propound my own views |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:31) Although I don't pretend not to have them! |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:32) i don't have the end all answer.. i wish i did.. i think that like meatspace government, there probably isn't one.. but there are concepts that will work better than others and i believe that just transfering or translated the meatspace concept of citizen to cyberspace is naive and probably on the bad-idea side |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:32) I think we should focus on what is being broadcast - root servers are the key to the operation of the internet - and anyone with half a brain can setup a root server system - which means if ICANN pisses off the world - they can be easily replaced. ICANN's sole control of the DNS involves root servers, and the fact they can be replaced - means ICANN can have competition. All of the other political arguments are bogus |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:33) well put, baptista. |
| <jessicanelson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:33) our connection keeps timing out |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:33) have any of you visited the other root server systems - their not well organizaed but they exists |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:33) nope |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:33) baptista: i heard someone talking about bind today.. what percentage of the world uses up-to-date versions of bind? if someone were to add additional root servers to bind (which is open source), there'd be a foot in the door (jc42 who was here last night suggested that) |
| <jessicanelson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:33) no, but id like more info about them. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:33) We're having some problems -- mornings can be tough |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:34) there she is. she's not the speaker. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:34) jun murai's presentation is now online |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:34) and linked off the agenda |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:34) all versions of bind on the internet are vulnerable - as of the last bind survey. |
| <cccccc> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:35) what about the upcoming BIND 9 |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:35) what was the url she just gave? something.icann.org? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:35) ahh... but that's just it... not only are they not well organized they are also not terribly well liked by the powers that be... I hate to say it but I have very little faith in the grassroots powers on the net as they are right now... the big corps can still pull the plug... so to speak... ICANN also has a tremendous amount of power because they are recognized by governments all over the world |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:35) here a link which include other root server confederations http://bind1999.pccf.net/resources/whos-who/ |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:35) the url was www.aso.icann.org |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:36) Her presentation will up shortly and the URL will be in it |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:36) bind 9 is untested - i usually wait till the bugs are out |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:36) baptista: but making a change to bind, how long would that take to make a big effect.. to essentially add alternative root server support to a large enough number of DNS machines that it catches on and people start to see the benefit.. it's not a lot of investment to make the switch usually.. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:36) aso status report is up |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:36) the ASO link off the agenda doesn't work |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:36) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/archive/as0-status-0309.html |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:37) the what page? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:38) so, meg, whats the weather like there? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:38) cairo |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:38) it's irrelevant that the other root server operators are either not liked - the question is service which ICANN is seriously lacking in - the other question is choice - also lacking in ICANN. Some day a major corporation is going to figure out that it worth while to run root servers for the public - and the day one of those corporations start paying dns admins to run off their root - is the day icann goes plonk. Just one of many senarios |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:38) oh |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:38) It's been chillier than I expected |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:38) But since I spend all my time in a room with no windows |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:38) I could just as easily be in Boston |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:39) this is the end of the rainy season there which is winter there |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:39) we're expecting 70-80s tomorrow here |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:39) Meg - I think the rules I saw on the bot was that this conference be kept relevant - the weather in cairo is not relevant. Excuse me for pointing that out |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:40) Do you know that only two comments have been made with regards to the IRP? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:40) Babtista: I apologize, I was just trying to pass the time as they were setting up their browser |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:40) does this reveiw panel not exist at this point? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:40) or is it being revised? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:40) No it does not exist and there is no timeline to call it into exoistence |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:40) thats awsome |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:40) then who is providing oversight? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:40) I know - no accusation Duran - people always drift - it's just I have to read through it - i'm not always on this screen - and it bogs things down |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:41) baptista: unless ICANN adds gTLDs and essentially offers your pay-for-dns corps.. then they beat their potential competitors |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:41) babtista: understood |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:41) there is no ovewrsight, except for seroius law-breaking . This is up the the AG of California |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:41) damn realy player |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) why doe the independent review panel members must be law oriented. doesn't that seem like misrepresentation? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) yes - that can be done - but I suggest ICANN is incapable based on the corporate restrictions which exists - they are basically an IBM deal oriented solely at protecting trademarks |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) Erin: Thanks. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) I'll get on the link |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) thx |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) Offically oversight is from the NTIA/DOC |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) they have failed in their oversight |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) baptista: we'll see.. aren't they supposed to talk about that late today? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:42) so they really have no power anyway. they can just "declare". what ever that means |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:43) but what is power? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:43) Erin, I think it needs legal training to pin wrongdoing on the Board. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:43) how so? is all wrong doing in violation of law? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:43) i don't know - by the way - people - don't send me private message - i always reply in public and i'm sure were confusing the hord |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:44) yipes. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:44) Ben, can the public comments be read out. I mean the one already in the comments area on the Icann website? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:44) I'm not sure how closely Ben is following this right now (he's scribing) but I'll check with him |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:44) yes - ICANN is a toothless monster - but not enought of the world knows that - currently there are 200,000 dns admins world wide - and they are the people who by default run the internet. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:44) Erin, the IRP looks specially at violations of icanns own bylaws. |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:45) Joop, that's a good idea but not something we've ever talked about. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:45) ASO report is working now, my fault...typo in the link... |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:45) Will try to do so in th efuture, if I know about such comments in advance. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) joop- of course but those bylaws represent the concerns of all sorts of people |
| <jessicanelson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) IIfthe IRPis reviewingthepanel themselves,then howis itthat the governing board can elect or even nominate a review board that is supposed to be independent |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) Ben, the comkments are there. On the website.http://www.icann.org/mbx/indreview/ |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) i am not sure that i want to see internet leadership held in the hands of solely lawyers |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) aggreed |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) hahah |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) There are no comments in the queue at this point |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) depends on the lawyer |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) surely. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:46) It's not about leadership, it's a check on the Board. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) You might want to make your substantive points |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) beware netscape users |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) using the comment submission system |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) 25? wow.. it was 8 last time i checked.. and they weren't both ways.. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) personally I don't like the future of the internet being held in the hands of any small group |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) If you've made a comment in some other forum, other than our remote comment system, you should submit at least a reference to that comment via our comment submission system. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) the link off the agenda post doesn't work in Netscape |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) What's the problem with Netscape? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) IE only |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) which is used to put comments onto the floor |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) rather than using the informal chat |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) yeah. and lawyers are the only people capable of making such a judgment? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) which is just archived and never used on the floor... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) John, I have taken the trouble to make the substantive points on the comments area. Now I find this ignored. |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:47) Does it work with Mozilla, the links, I mean |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) joop, there's not much I can do about that |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) Joop, were the comments made yesterday? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) as that's up to the BoD |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) but if you make them through our system |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) I can say "yes" when they ask me if there are any online comments |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) Duran, which link? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) instead of telling them that no one has submitted anything |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) which is the case today |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:48) Still the ASO, hmm |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:49) I will fix the ASO so Netscape can view it |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:49) ok |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:49) but was more concerned with getting our audio links running first |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:49) no problem |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:49) so we have that backup if the net goes down |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:49) as it did yesterday |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:49) John, this is infuriating! We have been asked to maker comments PRIOR to Cairo, so that they can be answered. Now we find it ignored! |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) Joop, I promise that we are not the bottleneck |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) Joop, that's really not anything we can impact |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) Joop - you should know better - the boards business is to ignore you and anyone else outside the magic circul |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) ok... then who is? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) ooh, he is changing hats |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) we can only process real-time comments |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) Can I still get my comment on the IRP in , then?? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) sure, just submit it. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:50) it's already missed the comment time for the topic |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:51) They passed the agenda item |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:51) but there is an open comment period at the end of the day |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:51) where it can be read |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:51) At the end of your day, I will be asleep, sorry |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:51) but your comment won't. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:51) if you submit it |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:51) right? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:52) can't hurt, and at least it'll show in the public archive |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:52) O.K. Can you pick up the comments on the ICANN website on behalf of those who posted them? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:52) here comes the budget - for years the root-servers have been run on 600,000 US$ - let's see how they streached that to 5 million |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:52) not right now - am more than a little busy - but I can at the very least link to them |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:52) ok for now? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:53) if no one submits comments, it certainly lends credence |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:53) Yes, I don't mean right now, but at the end of the day, when comments are made in open forum. I would like to know the answer of the Board , though |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:54) sorry, mis-wrote - lack of comments indicates apathy |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:54) at best |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:54) and when people search for the public archive of meetings, which are the easiest way to do quick and dirty research |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:54) Or agreement |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) I want it to be on record, that the method of submitting comment was made unnecesarily difficult, this time. This perhaps explains why onlt two coments made it to the website. |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) People who don't even know that this meeting went on will not be searching any public archieves |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) which "is" the method, sorry, for research |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) Joop, are you referring to ICANN's public comment process or |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) And sadly enough, that is a LOT of people. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) apathy on who's part? If you're talking about the internet community as a whole I think that's completely unfair... most internet users have no idea what ICANN is or what it does |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) to the method by which comments come in during public meetings? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) chood, you'd be shocked how many people hit our records |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:55) and how many of them are reporters |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:56) I am really angry. Comments are not only there for the record, they also require a public reply |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:56) who educate those who don't know what's going on |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:56) Thanks, Ariel. That is precisely my point |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:56) and if your comments aren't there |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:56) they won't see them |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:56) and won't know what you think |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:56) JohnWilbanks - will the budget be posted before they start discussing it? Is it possible to have the documents now |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:56) joe, hold on |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) am checking |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) ok |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) John...you'd be shocked if you knew how many people don't care very much for the media system intact |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) but they should be on the icann web already |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) choob, I'm not exactly naive |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) is that budget going up on the agenda? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) but you'd be shocked how many people swallow it whole |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) theres a lot more of them |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) i was wondering if you could link them to the agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) than there are of us |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:57) joe, going to try it. |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:58) The question is....the NUMBER of people who "hit these records"....is it a representation of the populus of who has internet acess. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:58) thanks John |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:58) John...don't argue media politics, please. That's not the issue. What poeple decide to believe is their own business. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:58) The press who access them can reach people who aren't online |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:58) Which is vital since the digital divide is very real |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:58) But what happens online does impact those who aren't |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:59) alright... I buy that... but what press is represented? is the NY Times there? CNN? who's there? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:59) Well, the NYT is here, but I don't know about CNN |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:59) I presume the budget is coming up? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:59) And even those who aren't here can read/watch the archive |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 02:59) And also pick up info from stories from those who were here |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) MegSmith: what kind of tech press is there? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) dns is not sexy enough for the press yet. It's a complicated issue which seems to evade most of the press corp |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) Like I've said before, people who don't know that something exists will not be reseraching it |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) The Industry Standard is here, and I believe Wired is as well |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) so. budget info? is it going to come up on the agenda? |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) baptista: i think that unfortunately, dns is not even sexy enough for a lot of the 200,000 people doing DNS to REALLY care about either |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) I would contend that that means it will not be in the mainstream press... it may make it into the NYT but probably be somewhere in the way back... the average user will still be completely in the dark |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) Things that are going on here will manage to escape a vast number of people, even the daily AOL user |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:00) ICANN was on SlashDot yesterday, which isn't exactly press but fulfills a similarfunction |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:01) The budget will be linked but not quite yet |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:01) fennello does alot of press work - he's very critical of them |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:01) thx |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:01) if ICANN is really serious about at large membership they should be buying banner space on Yahoo |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:02) or the like |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:02) MegSmith: slashdot is press.. and the regsiter.. those are sources that reach people who are motivated enough to DO SOMETHING with ICANN |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:02) There was much discussion yesterday about the need for outreach and public education |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:02) Yes, I read the slashdot discussions, but it only shows how little most slashdotters really know about icann |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:02) And the problem of how to pay for it |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:02) You have all noticed the corporate sponsorship icons on the signs |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:02) oh yeah |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:02) Don't worry, many of us did |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:03) If you believe that something like ICANN is necessary (and I know not all do) |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:03) I think the best potential root server operators would be monks. Monasteries have throughtout the centuries been excellent transcribers - and that is perfect training for dns |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:03) Then there is the question of how it is to pay for its own activities |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:04) am waiting for the link to the authoritative budget schedule |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:04) That seems to be another general problem with what has been being discussed. Though there has been a "non-commercial constinuency" represented, there has been a lot of emphasis on businesses and commercial interests |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:04) Business and commercial interests have been the fastest to get involved |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:04) Probably because their interest in doing so is clearest |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:04) yeah... monks are great... if you're of that faith... don't even get me started on the damage certain monks of certain faiths did to certain religions and cultures |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) <http://www.icann.org/financials/cairo-fy00-01-budget-issue.htm> is the link you folks want |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) the non-commercial constintuency is a joke. They only allow membership to trusted organizations. |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) MegSmith: but their involvement falls short of financial contribution.. or at least on nay serious scale or we wouldn't be in this situation |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) I'll get it onto the agenda ASAP |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) big business is getting involved because ICANN has given them the green light to virtually buy governing power |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) and I'm not arguing media politics, |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) That's the problem, baptista |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) Ben,, I have reposted my comments re the IRP now into the live comments system. I would very much like to hear that question answered. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) I'm arguing that it's worthwhile to make archived comments |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) rather than in chat |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) joop, that comment missed the agenda period |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:05) but I will raise it in the open comment period |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:06) at the end of the day |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:06) and it will be archived |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:06) Meg. The day before yesterday. This was as per special request on the icann pages. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:06) when the press folks who AREN'T here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:06) search our archives |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:06) 'cause they definitely won't search an unofficial chatr archive |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:06) IBM is the main culpret in this - you can check the ICANN corporate control processes at http://cookreport.com/isoccontrol.shtml |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:07) Joop, remember that comments made in ICANN's public comment systems (as hosted on their web site) are considered separately by the ICANN Board and staff. |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:07) So what is the point of making an archieve of what any of us say here? |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:07) This remote comment system is for *real-time* comments. |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:07) They take comments via multiple systems -- in person at meetings, |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:07) online via meeting webcasts, |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:08) choob: so that everything that *we* do is public |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:08) online via non-real-time comment systems. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:08) during the course of these meetings |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:08) we....... |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:08) It's important to ICANN because they consider comments part of the bottom up process - the comments however are never taken seriously - that's the boards track record to date |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:08) the Berkman Center is *we* |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:08) But the official system for submitting comments |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:09) is clearly indicated on the broadcast page |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:09) Mako, the business interests have offered to pay larger than their proportionate (by working group or other measure) share, from what I understand |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:09) and if you look at the text that welcomes you to the chat room |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:09) you'll get all the information I just gave you. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:09) But there is resistance to them doing so for some (imho) pretty good reasons |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:09) Ben, I hear what you say, about the Board "considering" comments, but in a public process, I, and many others, want to hear public replies |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:09) Joop, point well taken. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) But what Berkman is doing here is realtime comments for the meeting |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) Joop, I don't think Ben (or John or I) disagree with you, but no one from Berkman has any say in that |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) the cyber equivalent of administrating the microphones and the lines for accessing them |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) as well as getting the video and audio to you |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) so you can follow along in realtime |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) instead of either reading a trasncript |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) transcript |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) We pass comments submitted during meetings along when we are asked for them, but that's all we can do |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) or watching a video online a week later |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:10) Ben, used to draw the attention to comments, to be read out by whoever was conducting the meeting. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:11) we don't get to decide what gets read |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:11) You could submit a comment to be read aloud that says some of this |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:11) brb |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:11) The Board now gets constant updates on whether comments are pending |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) You don't hear the updates, but they see them |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) would they be willing to go back to the IRP? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) and the board chooses which ones get read aloud |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) joop, I doubt it seriously. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) Yes, so do I. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) I don't know -- I think they are trying to stay on the budget now |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) the root-servers cost 600,000 US under postel. paid for by US Gov contract. Those are the facts - ester likes to rewrite facts |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) just my honest opinion |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:12) But there will be a general comment period later |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:13) and after all of this, joop's is STILL the only official comment... |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:13) Argh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:13) so anyone reading the archive of comments |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:13) would have no idea that any of you |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:13) have opinions of any sort |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:13) on any of this. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:13) and that's clearly not the case. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) Or that any of the people watching but not chatting have any thoughts, either |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) are there costs for other commitees and constituencies? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) you all have substantive comments |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) Yes! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) that deserve archving |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) John - no one cares anymore. ICANN has lost considerable support - it showed in Santiago - it showed itself in LA and now it's at an all time low today |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) There are costs for everything ICANN does -- John Postel operated as a volunteer |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) yet you've not taken advantage of the only system |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) that will make an easily accessible record of them. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) If I had known that the archived comments , with password and the works, would be ignored, I would have made the comment right in the meeting |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) right, but if you are on the board, you pay a fee? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:14) But those days are gone, which makes sense since the Internet is so much bigger |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:15) No, you don't pay a fee to be on the board |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:15) Postel was paid under contract for his work - yes he volunteered alot mainly as the RFC editor - let' |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:15) joe, I'm not sure ICANN is well-enough known to lose support |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:15) well, then why would you have to pay for a vote? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:15) that seems really contradictory |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:15) You don't pay for a vote, you have to pay to run an election |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:15) Elections cost money to put on |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:15) right. got it |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:16) Especially if you run them such that identities are authenticated |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:16) The support it has lost is mainly from the intellectual community and the technical community - it has lost the support it needs to pull off the trick. One major mistake and it's the skids. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:16) I'm going to drop out for a bit |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:16) and make that ASO report accessible to the non microsofties |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:16) k? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:16) and erin, thanks for submitting a comment! |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:17) when will it get submitted? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:17) John - just letting you know the budget is not yet linked. If anyone has a URL - i'd like to see it. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:17) JW is working on links, and I'll remind him about this one |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:17) But he's not reading this right now |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:17) thanks Meg |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:19) yes! aggreed |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:19) who's the face we're looking at now? anyone know? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:19) proportionality and equity = is ICANN speak for divid and concour |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:19) hhe he |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:19) nice. video is out of sinc |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:19) Erin, you're being read |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:19) jerry berman? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:19) scary |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:20) Woo hoo! |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:20) NICE |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:20) that was Michael Roberts - President - sponsored by IBM - former associate of Educase - which want to run .edu and former Navy Intellegence man |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:20) see what I mean? |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:20) Go Erin! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:20) it's a little better to use the system |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:20) VERY NICE ERIN! well put |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:20) I don't think they gave you the answer you deserve, but you were heard! |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) what... |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) well, that sucked |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) man... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) that sucked |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) How smarmy |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) ghhh... |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) They want to alternate online with physically present comments |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) all we can do is read it |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) they were both unclear and shallow in their response |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) but if you submit it, at least we can read it |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) Oh, I understand that it's not your fault. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) So speak up -- we can't change how they answer, but their answers may speak for themselves |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) If you know what I mean |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:21) he he he |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:22) I'm upset at the board memebers, for making a response that was short, hard to hear and kinda stupid... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:22) joe: here's the poop on the budget |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:22) for lack of a better term |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:22) It's offensive! |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:22) that's standard ICANN board proceedure |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:22) the link I gave here is the official document |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:23) and I will get it linked off of agenda now |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:23) the woman you see is ester - chair of the board - venture capital investor - has yet to make a dime - publishes a successful guide for venture capitalists |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:23) http://www.icann.org/financials/cairo-fy00-01-budget-issue.htm was that link |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:23) thank you meg |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:24) amen to that. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:25) what was that link? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:25) budget |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:26) wow. that's very little money |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:26) the budget is a joke - again thier trying to get money from cctlds - and most simply don't have it, unless they charge disproportionately based on cctld sales - and i don't think that will do it either. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:26) did that guy just say that the entire ccTLD constituency was willing to voulenteer their services? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:27) not sure if I caught it right... |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:27) are those numbers in thousands? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:27) You have a lag so I'm not sure which numbers you are referring to |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:28) the budget, right? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:28) The Wired article discussed earlier is at http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,34754,00.html |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:28) I think their straight up 1=1 |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:28) yes - thousands |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:28) I would guess because the total budget is in the low millions |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:28) oh, never mind. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:29) The WHOIS problem mentioned was discussed extensively in LA |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) how about disccusing the costs of registering |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) In what sense? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) ok, I'm uploading support for all browsers for the ASO reports |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) why pay $70 dollars to NSI or like company, when all it is is just making a database entry |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) but that makes for huge files/numbers of files |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) so it's taking a minute |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) it's also why murai's didn't get up veru quickly |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) correct. but 70 dollars per domain? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:31) Allowing lots of registrars to register names was intended to increase market pressure and therefore lower prices |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) when that load is done I will link the budget to the agenda |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) Meg: uh huh. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) anything else you folks desire? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) coffee? tea? :) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) duran - I'll see what I can do... |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) Many people still look only to NSI without price shopping |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) thought this is java |
| <Dassa> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) :) |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) So NSI hasn't felt that much price pressure yet |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) badabing, I'm here all week |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:32) he he he |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:33) My thought is, that it seems for a long while NSI and others have been able to charge basicly what ever they want, and no one asked why, and so. |
| <Dassa> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:33) Have seen prices down to $15 a year for domains. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:33) while it costs much less to pay a team to monitor a database. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:33) how many new domains are registered per day? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:34) I don't know the latest statistics |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:34) hundreds of thousands |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:34) I think the registers should pay a fee per domain regeisterd to ICANN or what ever oversight firm takes ICANN's place. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:34) but, that goes against it's 'no-taxation' clause... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:34) ok, ASO is uploaded |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:34) Got to go take some photos -- back soon |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:35) amadeua - the long winded one - let's see how long this goes on for. he's been getting better |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:35) hey, at least he's wearing a suit now |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:36) that was very short - i've been bested |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:36) alex, jessicaq, and aaron are back in the house |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:36) yo, yo. |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:37) we are experiencing technical difficulties with the web cast, it is a bummer. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:37) use the cairo feed |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:38) the thrid one down |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:38) i just submitted another comment |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:38) but at least we can participate in this lively discussion. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:39) me too, but mine is far too cynical to be read. |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:39) im still upset about the no profinity rule |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) brenen, got your comment |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) yeah. i think that they are probably sick of me already |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) cynical is good - remember - your in a historical chat session |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) but it's out of order |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) i know ;) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) so I'll save it til we get to at large memberhsip |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) ok. thanks. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) good to see the messages |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) I will make sure the board knows about them |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) when they are timely with the agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) fair enough? |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) (btw, that was alex, HJ and jessica dont wish to be associated with theprofanity comment.) |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:40) IPC = lawyers = money |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:41) has paid its share? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:41) what does that mean? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:41) thanks John. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:41) its investment, rather |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:42) whoo hoo, break! |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:42) what does afk stand for bren? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:43) afk=away from keyboard |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:43) john, how many comments have been submitted |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:43) thanks ariel |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:43) np |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:43) techno-babble. over my head |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:43) ahh. afk, old bbs talk if i ever heard it. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:43) lol |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:44) come hj, alex. make a sassy comment |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:44) hmm... just in case... np=no problem, lol=laugh out loud |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:44) i got those, but thanks |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:44) I (alex) want to make a sassy comment but they (HJ and Jessica) wont let me. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:45) budget is linked off agenda now |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:45) aw... |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:47) is anyone else having troubles with the web cast? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:47) the video and audio are out of sinc for me, but other wise, no |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:47) hmm... we dont have any video or audio. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:47) what feed are you using? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:48) and what version of the software are you using? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:48) are you using G2? |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:48) the augmented one, it was working fiune till qabout 10 minutes ago. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:48) just use the one from cairo |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:48) or the LA one |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:49) we have real player 7 |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:49) rock on, its working again. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:50) hit start and stop if it barfs on you |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:50) erin, we have receive five substantive messages, only one of which (your first one) was submitted during the time of the meeting it addressed |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:51) great |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:51) there should be more |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:51) who is staying up for the next session? |
| <bren-afk> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:52) john: how many people are in attendance (not NOW) but for the last session? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:52) the others are in the queue |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:52) beats me |
| <bren-afk> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:52) I'm sticking around for this one, erin. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:52) the room was about 3/4 full |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:52) but I spend nearly all of my time staring at screens |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:52) lol |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:52) and putting out tech fires |
| <Ariel-afk[asleep]> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:53) goodnight all |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:53) good night ariel, have pleasent dreams. |
| <Ariel-afk[asleep]> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:53) thanks man |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:54) good night! |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:54) night |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:55) it works! |
| <ThomasLowenhaupt> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:58) I'm in NYC and only receiving intermittantly - otheres having the same problem. No reception now. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:59) Thomas, thanks for letting us know |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 03:59) We'll get working on it \ |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:00) We're on a break so it will be only random static audio anyway |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:00) html scribe notes are current |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:00) I was spending too much time here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:00) and not doing my job right |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:00) so you won't hear from me quite as much... |
| <ThomasLowenhaupt> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:00) I was doing audio only - that went out. then I tried video and picked it up for about three minutes, apparently just after the session broke. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:01) i'm getting audio and video |
| <ThomasLowenhaupt> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:01) Now nothing and I'm going back to audio only. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:01) Thomas - are you using the LA servers? |
| <ThomasLowenhaupt> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:02) Not sure now. Which one are you receiving on? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:02) the audio is back online now |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:02) was an issue with the phone line |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:02) try berkman http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/scripts/rammaker.asp?s=ip&ip=212.103.165.8&dir=live&file=icann-live-030900 |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:03) Hello all |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:03) hey |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:03) a man of many hats - mike roberts - do you know the ICANN board was terrified of walking into the Santiago meetings and finding people wearing pretty hats |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:04) we gotcha. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:04) 6000? that's it? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:04) 6000, what? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:04) 6,000 - is good - the next question is how will these people communicate with each other. But 6,000 in a few weeks is excellent. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:04) true. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:05) 6,000 at large members |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:05) ok |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:05) thx |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:05) listen to the man, duran. ;) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:05) sorry, info burn, to many windows |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:05) see http://members.icann.org/ |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:07) FYI, you can always see the full set of comments received |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:07) from the broadcast page |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:07) in the "how to READ" section |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:07) comments that are current with the agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:07) can be accessed under "current substantive comments" |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:08) the links just below that one consist of all substantive and non-substantive |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:08) comments received for the whole meeting |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:08) Given the earlier conversation here about what membership would mean |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:08) Mike is speaking about me - mischievious behaviour = ICANN speak for bypassing their censorhsip garbage on the GA. They were really pissed with that. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:09) This discussion of membership requirements and outreach should be of interest to you all |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:10) i did my part |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:10) is the feed choppy for all of you too? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:11) oh. so women are onlyinterested in "everday stuff". nice |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:11) :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:11) over 60, good luck, my grand mom, (65) just got an answering machine... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:12) whoa, not 65, 75...ooops.. :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:12) my computer is dying on me, I h ave to reboot, god loves Micro$oft. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:13) people misbehaving - i hope their not going to fall into a trap |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:13) i dont remember... did they profile on race? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:13) no |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:14) huh |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:14) age, gender, and domain ownership. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:14) Thats interesting - ICANN could have suggested the PIN numbers haven't been posted yet on their web site |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:15) if mike robert does not mail me my membership - to the provided address - i'm going to do to members.icann what i did to the ga@dnso - fair warning - you berkman boys make sure he gets that - roberts understand the nature of mindfields |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:15) huh? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:15) ditto |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:16) ... I hate my computer... |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:16) it's a long story - i've setup icann to alow it to screw itself up on my membership - roberts will understand |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:16) OK. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:16) joe, I suggest you inform Mike or Andrew directly |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:16) so, who's head is inthe way? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:17) can that guy more out of the way? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:17) move, rather... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:17) that was meg, wasn't it? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:17) oh, it's meg... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:17) recognized the smile :) |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:17) flirt |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:18) i'm not going to bother - it's on the record - and the rest is fun and games, we all remember what happened to the GA - and I can do to ICANN what happened to the GA - destroy it's credibility absolutly. Remeber - i'm not an icann supporter |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:18) fair enough, joe... |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:18) thank you john |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:18) just remember that I ain't ICANN |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:18) :-) |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:18) how are they going to determine who is going to be on the board. on what basis? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:18) Scott HArshbarger? He's a long way from Commonwealth of MA District Attorney! |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:19) yep. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:19) career politician and lobbyist. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:20) I know John - I like you - I don't like the lier, but I still thing he's a cuty - remember - I'm paid to do what I'm doing - it's only a job and not personal. If I call you names - it's because I'm paid to do it ;-) And so far I've stayed away from the more fruity discussions - which seems to make everyone nervous. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:20) He was the AG and ran for governor and lost |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:20) who pays you, baptista? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:20) paid baptista? by whom? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:20) right, my bad. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:21) dont flatter yourself |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:21) clients are confidential - i do my work openly and don't have any problem with admitting i'm funded to bury icann |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:21) joe, thanks for the words |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:21) and it's appropriate that we stay on topic as much as possible |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:21) your welcome and I agree |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:21) Harshberger there announced a review yesterday that teh CDT gave |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:21) let me get that link |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:21) http://www.cdt.org/dns/icann/study/ |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:22) Thanks, Duran |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:22) I have yet to read it, but I plan on printing it's 40 odd pages tomorrow. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:22) your welcome |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:22) listen to this man - he's someone I respect - if ICANN does what he is suggesting - my contract on icann is finished. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:23) who is he? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:23) Berman is the former Executive Director of EFF and currently with CDT |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:24) oh, john berman? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:24) Jerry |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:24) oops, thanks |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:24) but, have the 5000 at-large members needed to make quorum recevied their PIN numbers by mail? Is there quorum for elections? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:24) I havn't received my PIN |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:24) me neither |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:25) i'd like to see who is doing security for their site as well :) |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:25) I think they said earlier that PINs haven't gone out yet |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:25) ok |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:25) They just said before that no-one has their PIN yet |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:26) I don't think they are using the company that just did the Arizona primaries |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:26) funny |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:27) well, i'm looking forward to political banner ads for ICANN representative candiadates. I guess they'll be more interesting than "punch the moneky to win $20". |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:27) the ccTLD constituency statment is linked off agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:27) let me know if it doesn't work for any of your clients |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:27) web clients, that is :) |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:27) That was a good speech - ICANN needs free and open election - anything else is garbage - much like what amadeu is saying now |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:27) agreed. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:27) it's nice to see a range of OS folks online...hasn't happened nearly enough |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:27) at the other meeting |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:28) meetings |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:28) link worked fine on IE and Netscape |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:29) thanks |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:29) JohnWilbanks - did you guys tape the Egyptian PM speech and could we have it online. That would be seriously appreciated. I went to alot of trouble bumping Mubarak off the ICANN agenda and I wanted to see the results and was disappointed when it was not boradcast |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:29) we didn't do anything with that speech - different hotel, and we were setting and testing the tech for these meetings that day... |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:30) ack. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:30) what is that? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:30) who's neck? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:30) well - maybe you can find someone who taped it on video - I think it would be a very important historical document to have in the ICANN archives |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:30) a/v is down now... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:30) it's good for me at hampshire, I'm on the cairo feed. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:31) keith, what feed were you on? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:31) btw, html scribe notes are fresh |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:31) who just spoke on the elections? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:31) ICANN Los Angeles John - its back now |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:31) joop, I think you mean Wilkinson |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:32) ah, yes. recognize thew voice now |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:34) If you have thoughts about membership, now would be a great time to submit them |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:35) i did... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:36) did he just say that having 16 year olds is a mistake? |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:36) lol |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:36) he would like to keep the Board at the present status quo |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:36) ugh. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:37) He said he thought 16 year old directors of ICAN would be a mistake |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:37) if the 16 year old got to a position of recognition by the group to become a director, then why not |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:37) youth brings energy, and inventivness. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:37) they are terrified of a real presence of directors who are elected by real people - Cohen is terrified of having control loss - the DNSO has already been seriously discredited |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:38) that's why there would be voters, to decide whether or not said 16 year old is capable. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:38) youth is irrelevant - what's important is that youth be there. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:38) i think you are right baptista. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:38) exactly, and if a 16 year old is competent, then he should be there. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:38) if so voted. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:38) :) |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:38) agreed |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:38) I think the level of expertise the directors offers is vastly more important than their age... |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:39) they don't want the constituents to actually represent themselves, cause that migt be dangerous. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:39) joe, I'll note the mubarak request but can't promise anything |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:39) the internet is for the young and crazy old farts like me. And I think it is critical to get them in on the ground floor, i'd go as yonge in age as 12 |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:39) thank you john |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:40) FYI all, there are about 30 people in line for the mic |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:40) baghh. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:40) The more time taken to make the decsion will liekly give the worst result.. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:40) only 5 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:40) so in some ways, you've got it better :-) |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:40) 16 is fair - the same age to be considered responsible enough to drive a car in the US. |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:40) motor voter and all that. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:40) which is arbitrary, and not a way to truly evaluate the resposibility of the individual |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:41) Are you all seeing the scribe's notes? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:41) yeah |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:41) Brenden, you're being read |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:41) nice |
| <Dassa> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:41) I am all for the young being involved but I personally know very few people under 20 that are capable of being Directors of a large organisation. I know a lot with good technical skills but most that I know lack the management skills. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:41) go bren |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:41) go bren! |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:41) Ariel is being read as well |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) rock on bren |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) :) |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) what? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) did tehy just blow off your question bren? |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) god, they suck! |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) oh - sorry - I don't mean make them directors - that a matter regulated by corporate law - which in most cases would provide the minimum age - i'm talking about 12 year olds plus as members - with appropriate parenmtal consent if required |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) They are trying to answer both at once |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) ok |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) yup. though, they'll answer it with this one collectively. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:42) Dyson is talking about outreach in response to Bren right now |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:43) well ester - what is it? |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:43) meg, what if i want to make a comment for another discussion that I might not be online for? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:43) something much broader = ICANN speak for - I have no idea how to answer this - pass the butter |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:43) It sounds like Dyson now wants the Board to respond to all at once |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:44) If you submit it now, and the discussion will be held later today, we will still have it to read later |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:44) Dassa - re: managing, you have a very good point |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:44) But it has to be for a discussion today |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:44) I have to manage much of the internal berkman affairs |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:44) and it's much, much harder than you would think |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:44) before you've done it. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:44) and I certainly couldn't have done it at 20 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:45) however, on the tech end... |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:45) The translation question is a really interesting one, I think |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:45) thanks for reading me, btw ;) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:45) age is a lot less important than talent |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:45) bren, it's my job... |
| <Dassa> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:45) There are some aspects of management that you need a great deal of experience to be able to do it correctly. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:45) Bren, we don't pick and choose (except for relevance and non-obscenity) |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:46) OK |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:46) But I'm glad we could do it |
| <Dassa> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:46) I am sure there are a large number of young people who may be able to do it. But as with anything, they have to prove themselves first. That proof takes time. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:46) Whats Marilyn Cade's backgroud ? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:47) thomaslowenhaupt - I don't know if they addressed your question |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:47) I don't remeber what Cade is about - but she's on my nauty list |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:48) meg, the comment i want to make is about the Feinstein bill wihch seeks to regulate certain types of speech online. Is there a specific discussion during which i should ask this or should i wait for the open comments time? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:48) as I focus a lot more on tech than content during the meeting |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:48) you still want it asked? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:48) Alex - i don't think that's icann's business yet - but it would be interesting to ask if ICANN accepted it was an governance org - which it does not. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:48) Alex, I think that will not be specifically addressed but you could submit it for the general questions |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:48) branden! |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:49) is the general questions time today or tomorrow? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:49) However, ICANN doesn't address specific countries' laws very often |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:49) good words from that man. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:50) you know - this whole election process if bunk - the CDT has made clear they can provide gudance - and democratic elections have been going on all over the world - you only have to look up the relevant acts or laws to find the proceedures |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:50) Alex, there is open mike time scheduled for 5:30 Cairo time |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:50) cool,is there more scheduled for tomorrow too? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:51) Dassa, I wish we could clear up the congestion! |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:51) Alex, I don't think so |
| <Dassa> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:51) :) |
| <bren> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:52) i really want to stick around, but i'm kinda dozing at the keys....night all. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:52) tomorrow is webcast only |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:52) what do you mean webcast only? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:52) no remote comments, etc. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:52) we'll be scribing tho |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:52) and ircing I hope |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:52) night bren |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:53) Yes, chat always |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:53) ok. I'm crashing too, at 5am here in EST. Good night all |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:53) at least irc helps with the tecbnical debugging |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:54) ICANN LA feed gone again :-( |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:54) the chat is quite useful |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:54) good point |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:55) keith, our streams look good from here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:55) odds are it's congestion, etc. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:55) What did you all think of that outburst by Amadeu, about the funding of the CDT report by Markle? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:55) keep plugging away... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:55) what did he say? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:55) Shouldn't be - I have a 2Mb connection straight through - and only set to use 20K |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:56) keith, I mean from the LA server to your 'net |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:56) joop, that was at the end of the day yesterday |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:56) and I was badly jetlagged and barely able to do my job... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:56) much less pay attention to content |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:56) I must be really tired -- I thought that happened this morning! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:56) I tend to go home and watch the meetings all over again |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:57) to find out what went on |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:57) if there was an amadeu outburst this morning I missed it! |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:57) Got the augmented feed now :-)) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:57) but I've been kinda busy! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:57) I remember some amadeu at the micn yesterday afternoon and figured that was wha tjoop meant |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:57) He though that ICANN (the Board) had asked Markle not to fund such troublesome recommendations. This would seriously call into question the independence of Markle. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:58) John, I meant what he said some 10 moinutes ago |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:58) I'm not sure Markle has to be independent, since it is private, but |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:59) I would certainly agree that if key ICANN work is being done using its funding, |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:59) The work needs to be independent in some sense |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:59) I missed it then. That's certainly an odd statement though. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:59) they want to phase in the at large board = ICANN speak for WE NEED MORE TIME |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 04:59) it's a bit strange if the a funder of icann, weould also pay heed to icann board requests. |
| <AlexKreit> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:01) how long do the members hold their position after being elected? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:03) the current estimate is 290 million |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:03) 290 million internet users world wide |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:04) i agree with ester - unfortunately the internet population is related to communication infrastructure - and africa is low on that. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:05) hi, joop |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:06) not getting any sound quality here |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:06) Alex, I believe they hold their positions for two year terms, but I don't remember off the top of my head. It is in the ICANN by-laws which are available on the ICANN website at <http://www.icann.org> |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:06) can I quote you on that first part joe? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:06) mark, what feed? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:07) cairo, very variable, not helped by congestion, but I wonder whether others have the same |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:07) what do you mean quote me? you can do as you please - but if you mean tell it to ester - remember - i'm thinking red latex - with a little lace, and wink to her for me |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:08) careful, joe. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:08) let's stay civil |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:08) it's been wonderful so far...let's keep it that way! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:08) but I was joking just a tad... |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:08) that was very civl - ester is a very lovely woman. and there's nothing uncivil about that |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:08) so it's only fair. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:09) how's about you folks submit some more online comments with our system? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:09) you've got more access to the mic in some ways than the people in the room |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:09) but what are you going to quote? the 290 million or ester being right - now i'm curious |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:09) ester being right was what I meant, just having a tad of fun |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:10) I don't plan to to quote any of you :-) |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:10) lol John |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:10) as no one ever interviews me... |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:11) Perhaps ask the question why some current board members feel that 6000 at large members will make a worse choice of directors than the person who appointed the existing board ? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:11) but she is you know - egypt is an excellent example - when I emailed the entire egyptian government warning Mubarak to stay clear of ICANN - I crashed several email servers - routers and other stuff. That never happened to me before. And the links are very slow. Unfortuantely africa needs serious upgrading and it would be to our benefit to help them build that infrastructure |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) how are you submitting comments and to whom? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) keith - submit that question through the system! |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) so ester is very right about africa |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) OK |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) ah roberto comes to save the board |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) use <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime> and click through. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) there is a comment submission form at the bottom of the page you'll click to |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) and those get processed through to me |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) make sure you tag it with the current agenda item |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:12) or it |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:13) will just go into the queue for the open comment period |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:13) though if it's for a future item |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:13) it will show for me then. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:13) ok, i thought you meant there was an alternative through this irc |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:13) joe, thanks for the point on infrastructure |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:14) what do you think wireless net access will do to that? |
| <Dassa> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:14) I will come back later after I have completed a few tasks. The congestion might not be so bad to here (Australia) then. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:15) any thing - is better then what exists now. what is critical to me is getting a poor vilage child online and enright his/her life, opportunities. wireless will help the rich - we should be sending them all our old infrastructure |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:15) would help out - if you know what i mean |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:16) eventually the internet will get africa - the internet is like a virus which needs and wants more - a greedy child so to speak, it will eventually gobble up africa - like it |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:16) gobbling up ICANN |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:17) look at the line up - how many people are lined up John? a guess will do if you canm |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:17) just thinking of the liberation cell phones have brought india |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:17) There are more people in Africa who need a good meal than need Internet access. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:17) keith, good point |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:17) I think there are about 10 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:17) joe, there's about 15 folks still in line |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:18) oops, sorry meg! |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:18) I am always ready to be corrected on my math |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:18) That's true Keith - but the internet will assist those people in organizing against the existing regimes which have assisted in promoting that hunger - I speak of course of corps like IBM etc. etc. |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:18) Especially since I am now looking from the back at the camera station |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:18) excellent line up for cairo. |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:20) Keith, you're being read |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:20) It is hard enough to teach well educated people how to use a computer and use the Internet - Africa has millions with greater needs to solve first |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:20) Aaron Marcus |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:20) thanks Meg |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:20) go aaron |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:20) Gee - I got a laugh.. |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:21) I'm heading back, so signing off this persona |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) is the "study session" going to be broadcast? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) i am really intersted in that one |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) yep, it's part of the meeting |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) good deal |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) So now its question time, without any answers ?? |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) apparently |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) I gurantee Keith - the computers will get to them before the food does. Food is governed by the existing machine, which the internet virus is fueled by human hunger. The internet will win - long before we manage to wake up and feed our brothers and sisters. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:22) that really sucks |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:23) well put baptista |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:23) If I was starving and had a choice between an hour of eating or an hour on the Internet - I am sure what I would choose :-) |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:25) if you were starving a had a choice between an hour on the internet and no food - you go on the internet - remember - food is not an option. On the internet they now pay you to surf or dial up free. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:26) joe's right about IBM in Africa, but not greed, logistics. A PS/1 in Burundi used to cost about $8,000, if you measure that out in a country where you earn 20,000 not 20 $ a year, that's $80,000,000. You wouldn't buy one. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:26) they don't ship food to the hungry |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:26) But your village has to have a telephone line first baptista - recall my discussion on Tokelau Islands last night ? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:27) In Africa, many internet users use internet cafes in cities. the countyside has no phone lines. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:27) i understand - but bill gates will visit long before food will every arrive. Bill will have access capacity - but he won't have any food. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:27) we all remember gates satilite system. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:28) and gates understands - today's little hungry empty soal (I speak of the children) are todays brain washing opprtunity - believe me - bill will have their soals long before we feed their bellys |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:29) Yep - but the actual efforts of many in Africa goes towards survival, and the Internet, and use of computers, will not figure int he psyche of the people seeking to survive |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:29) and because of that I say to our north american governments and the african dictators - shame on us |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:30) It strikes me that charity is the process by which poor black people in rich white countries give lots of money to rich white people in poor black countries - apols - need to get back on topic |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:31) joe, if you're interested in donating time or equipment, we're putting together an online fund-raising system for some of the agencies. Cuts out the bank charges so to speak. |
| <ErinPettigrew> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:31) good night folks |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:31) i agree - and the internet will serve that need. remeber the death of ignorance is only one click of the mouse away. It will happen, there are already private efforts to wire up remote areas. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:31) ya i'm interested - send me one of your lovely emails and i'll help however i can |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:33) thomas, your comment came in just a little late |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:34) I am going to track down your question on the task force |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:34) if the info is available, okay? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:34) if it's not, then I'll queue it for the open comment period |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:34) ditto for your most recent one |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:35) language that you should never do ???? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:35) us decident?? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:35) what the hell is amadeau abril going on about? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:37) more goal - less process = ICANN speak for let talk about nothing and try our best to get nothing done |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:37) <-tends to agree with baptista on that.. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:38) Ester is hungry obviously ... these talkers are keeping her from lunch.. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:38) it's all really sad - though - hug keith |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:38) sorry - ment huh steve - but have a hug on me anyway |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:39) thnx baptista |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:39) i mean huh keith - excuse the confusion - have other terminals going |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:40) not allow direct elections = ICANN speak for let's be honest about our mandate |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:42) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:42) Joop - have Peter D-T, Jim Higgins and Sue been contributing much in Cairo ? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:43) this is the old ICANN speak of we are not a governance body - but were still going to try to govern you. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:44) so, lunch is coming up |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:44) and we'll be away from the chat room |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:44) It is fairly clear what the ICANN directors think of the At Large rabble isn't it ? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:44) what we need is alot of YES people - what trash |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:44) to get our files clean |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:44) and prep for the afternoon |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:44) I'd love it if we got some substantive comments on the afternoon agenda items |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:45) and you've got an hour to prepare them if you've got a point you want heard |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:45) this has been a great chat room |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:45) BTW |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:45) Kraayenbrink repeats the mantra. ICANN has only a limited technical brief. The problem is that too many don't believe that this will be so in the future. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:45) the problem John is that most of north america is fast asleep, i think i'm the only one up - feel a bit lonely, do you know i've had to change my entire sleep schedule to attend these things - up at 9PM to sleep at 4PM - very weird |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:46) this director is pissed - who is he - i forgot |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:46) that was hans |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:46) and trust me, my sleep schedule is trashed too. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:46) this guy represents the corporate pissed position |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:47) It's awful John - I hope you survive. i will |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:47) right around the time we get adjusted we'll be getting back to normal |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:47) can't see why hans is upset now |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:48) It would be interesting to know what kind of numbers we could get if we could host a chat in Japanese |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:48) And a variety of other languages |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:48) as always, any ideas to make the Berkman efforts more effective |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:48) are WELCOMED. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:48) That's another thing - I have not cooked in five year - I can't order in lunch - everyone is closed - so I will soon be cooking |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:48) i'm hungry - i hope we finish soon |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:49) me too |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:49) though I love to cook |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) anyhow, suggestions of how to create |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) meaningful remote participation need to reach us |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) we have been much better about getting comments in |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) during this meeting |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) than in previous ones |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) i'm an excellent cook - superiour to anyone i've ever tried - but dishes are not my thing - I like ordering in - it's almost like star trek |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) and thats a result in large part |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) This dispute is getting interesting |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:50) of the frustrations of the north american remote participants |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:51) Sorry, that was Meg typing on the wrong machine |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:51) during the LA and Santiago meetings |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:51) yes - this is very interesting - it shows the board divisions |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:52) democracy in Europe is a more technical matter than the US, maybe |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:52) one of the problems ICANN faces is that creating anything global yet consensus-based is REALLY hard to do |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:53) cultures everywhere clash radically, to say nothing of the lexical difficulties |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:53) and the phrase "democratic elections" takes on rather different meanings |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:54) depending on where it's used and who uses it. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:54) it's good to try, have to be careful not to trample the garden |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:54) CDT and CC have lost some credibility here when they've gotten up and showed they don't know which body is which, in my opinion |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:55) But those issues will never change John - and don't appear to be a legitimate excuse for delay |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:55) I'm not trying to excuse the delay |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:55) And that's too bad, since their points could be considered independently |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:55) just making a point, that while obvious, is rarely raised by anyone other than the board |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:55) and it's usually in a context that doesn't allow for serious consideration of that |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:56) as there are immediate decisions to be made... |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:57) It's definitely a conundrum: to have clearly imperfect elections quickly so that elected people can be the decisionmakers, or to wait and have much less problematic elections so that those elected have the full legitimacy of such elections behind them |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 05:57) I would feel more comfortable John if the Board did not contain so many USA accents... |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:04) elected by people who know what they are doing is ICANN speak for people who do what we want them to do |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:04) looks like there was a minor router hiccup at harvard |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:04) bye the way - do you know irc just dropped alot of people |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:04) yep, including me |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:05) i think we all were |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:05) I also got no server connections for my routine uploads/dedupes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:05) from harvard |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:05) so I'm guessing it's there |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:05) but all seems to be well |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:06) knock virtual wood |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:08) how long is this lunch break ??? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:09) catch you later baptisita |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:09) joe, it's scheduled to start up again at 2PM local |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:09) see you in a few... |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:11) ok thank you |
| <ErichMoechel> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:15) nothing much happing in the moment in Cairo, as it seems |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:15) Lunchtime here |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:16) Erich, we're scheduled to start again at 2pm Cairo time |
| <ErichMoechel> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:34) Meg is this GMT plus 2 hours? I am preparing an article in german 4 http://futurezone.orf.at , the IT news site of the Austrian Broadcasting Corporation |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:43) yes, that's GMT +2 for cairo time |
| <ErichMoechel> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:54) Tip is online http://futurezone.orf.at/futurezone.orf?read=detail&id=21282 |
| <ErichMoechel> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 06:56) Do you deem it possible I could interview Ms Dyson via Chat after the sessions? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:02) Erich, edyson@edventure.com is her email address; I would try to reach her there, although she may not check it for awhile |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:02) I don't think she's likely to get into chat at the end |
| <ErichMoechel> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:04) It was just an idea 4 a blitz interview after 2day's discussions. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:08) Hi Minna |
| <minna> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:08) hello |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:09) Erich, I think it's a great idea, but unfortunately we don't have any influence over her schedule |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:09) hello again |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:14) Looks like we'll be getting started in another five to ten minutes here... |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:17) this is too much - canada is having a heat wave - last two days - and everyone on our patio is wearing shorts - two girls went by in bikinis. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:25) We're starting now |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:28) what is the carter center? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:28) jimmy carter - former us pres - political org |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:29) they do stuff like monitor foreign elections and such? |
| <SusanCrawford> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:33) sound keeps cutting out |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:33) what feed are you using? |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:34) SusanCrawford: the feed from Cairo is a pretty good one.. it seems to be pretty reliable.. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:39) The Carter Center does quite a bit of election monitoring |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:39) MITF document is up on agenda, as is the WGB presentation |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:39) fyi |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:42) wgc handout is online as well |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:43) all from agenda |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:44) YEs |
| <steveprocter> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:46) sound has gone again |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:47) although I don't claim to be an expert.. i favor for the 500 gTLDs in 3 or so years proposal |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:55) remember to refresh your broadcast pages |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:55) and submit any comments for the study session |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:55) if you want your comments archived |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:57) anyone other than steve proctor having audio trouble? |
| <steveprocter> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:57) i'm ok now, it just drops out now and then |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:58) mine is out too |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:58) i can't see that anything other than FLOODING the market with gTLDs will have any real positive effect |
| <steveprocter> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 07:59) a big flood of new tld's though will cause massive trademark issues |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:00) i disagree.. i think that a MASSIVE flood of TLDs.. like 500 in three years.. will be so many that trademark issues won't really pertain the way they do now |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:00) if you start adding six, or three a year.. you're not really making any signifigant changes |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:02) that's my main issue: i'm interested in how they will decide this and the role that community consensus will play in this.. or if baptista has suggested, a corporation will come in and do it out from under ICANN |
| <steveprocter> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:03) maybe Verisign/NSI will do this?? |
| <makolee> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:04) steveprocter: you mean out from under ICANN? like by paying DNS operators? |
| <steveprocter> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:05) possibly. not got my head around the takeover yet but one would guess there is a big master plan that could be bigger than ICANN |
| <ErichMoechel> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:13) a master plan including spooky SAIC executives that recently are in the board of NSI? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:29) you know - the problem with all this tld bull is that it's so much bunk. The dns is better viewed as a natural language - i.e. http://this.is.my.home.page/ is a perfectly acceptable URL - and as long as the lawyers keep trying to take it over - the world will miss the benefit of dns natural language solutions to URL development and instead end up doing the ongoing dot.com trip. |
| <BobCConnelly> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:30) Hi, signing in at 22:30 after a long day (Japan Standard Time) |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:30) Welcome back |
| <BobCConnelly> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:31) Whatsa Happenin'? |
| <BobCConnelly> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:31) I heard a few crackling voices and then nothing but a magenta field where the photosssjpi;d be/ |
| <BobCConnelly> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:32) Just a magenta field where the photos should be. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:33) IP law is pork barrel legislation for the benefit of companies that want to create salable property out of speech. ICANN will lose any claim to representativeness if it creates new international law in this area. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:33) Ok, we're working to see if we can do anything about the video issue |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:34) Bob, what feed are you on/ |
| <BobCConnelly> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:34) I think the one for "preferred". Shud I change? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:34) fine ester - you need to hear it as often as possible until it sinks in - trademarks are irrelavant to the internet - nor do they belong there |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:36) Anyone wanting to submit comments should do so now |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:36) Bob, that's often a problem with your video drivers. Do you know if your RealPlayer generally works with other video on the 'net? |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:36) There is a long line of physical attendees waiting to make comments but |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:36) They've been good today about reading online comments as well |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:39) long line is an understatement |
| <BobCConnelly> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:40) I'll switch feeds, back soon. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:41) Hi John -- how many people are in line? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:41) more than 30 on a quick count |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:41) looks like the line for beer at a football game |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:42) whoa! thanks. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:42) either american or world football! |
| <DanDoyle> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:43) Hello everyone, what is the best video feed right now, the augmented one looks like fractals. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:43) Dan, glad you made it |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:47) Ok, see you soon |
| <DanDoyle> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:48) Meg, are you going to speak soon? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:50) dan, try all of them and see which works |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:50) they are coming from different places... |
| <BobCConnelly> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:50) Still no audio or video. Which option should I choose from Japan? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:50) and you might get better streaming from one than another |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:51) try using the berkman audio feeds |
| <BobCConnelly> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:51) Roger, wilco and out! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:51) bob, also you'll want to refresh scribe notes |
| <DanDoyle> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:52) Thanx John, the Berkman feed works best... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:52) on a regular basis |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:52) I'll get them up and fresh right now |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:54) I lost audio: anyone hear what Marty Schwimmer said? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:54) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 08:54) check there |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:02) will amadaue please shut up so the guy can make his point - i understand spanish and amadeua is twisting what he's saying |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:02) joe -- who is the speaker? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:03) the one now is with nic.jp |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:03) don't know his name |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:04) wonder if he's eric (something) ... irrizarry maybe? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:05) His point was great ... |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:05) i notice roberto identifies himself as an at large member - and avoids telling the crew he's the chair of the GA, the fradulently elected chair - i might add |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:05) yes his point was good - i was not aware of the famous marks list in jp and he clarified it well |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:06) i think he's associated with a law school ip project in peru |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:07) i agree - whois is a technical function to support domain and namespace administration - i.e. contact to contact - it's not to be a whois search engine for lawyers |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:08) oh you mean the spanish boy - sorry - did not get his name - well spoken boy - if amadeau had given him a chance. amadeaus interruption were bad |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:09) it's a fact - dot.god already is full of trademarks |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:09) ditto: agreed on legal research: if icann creates enforcement resources for companies, it should create protection resources for individuals |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:09) oh a commercial announcement - how nice |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:13) Wouldn't that be great |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:16) joe - that *was* a wee bit of a plug, wasn't it? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:17) if we're lucky she'll submit it online |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:17) so it is searchable... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:17) ;-) |
| <TommyGraham> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:18) just lost audio |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:20) WhiteHouse.com and WhiteHouse.org have been mentioned at every pre-ICANN or ICANN meeting I have ever been present at |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:20) Glad to see the streak continues |
| <DanDoyle> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:24) Did that last speaker mean the failure of specific businesses or the collapse of whole industries? |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:25) I'm not sure whether he was talking about NSI specifically or about registries generally, but I thought he was talking specifically about the registry industry at least |
| <DanDoyle> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:27) Would that be the basis for government regulation or funding? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:28) i think whitehouse was only mentioned at LA and now in Cairo - i don't remember it in other meetings |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:28) Cambridge |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:28) I wasn't in Santiago or Berlin |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:28) interesting - that was the first meeting? |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:29) Not ICANN yet, as I recall, but a meeting of people interested in what might replace John Postel's system |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:30) ok - i know the meeting your talking about - it's archived somewhere at berkman. there was also one in toronto - if my faulty memory serves me - but have no idea what that was about - trademark related |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:30) The slideshow with Twomey's presentation won't be up until the end of the day because the disk it is on is corrupted |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:31) actually we disinfected it, so it should be up as soon as our net gets faster. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:31) twomey looks like he's getting a bit porky. Has he gained weight since LA - looks like it to me. could be the camera |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:31) joe - cambridge, nov. 98 was the first one |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:32) six days after I started |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:32) what a welcome... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:33) at least, that's the one where we all met the folks appointed to the board |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:34) japan wil be fun - as usual - i'll have a surprise or two for ICANN, getting Mubarak to drop ICANN was too easy. Not the challenge I expected it would be |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:34) Hey Charlie |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:35) twomey is backing off on government intervention - we are watching evolution in government - a historical positions this change of heart |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:36) Hi dad : ) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:37) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:51) Hi Jeff |
| <JeffTreut> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:51) Hey all... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:53) twomey presentation is linked in |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:53) and the files are uploading |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:53) so it'll be about 5 minutes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:53) til the whole thing is visible |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:53) those darn filenames with spaces |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:53) don't translate so well to the web |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:55) that's the civil service John - write yourself a shell scrip to convert those files. that's what we use for some of our members |
| <TommyGraham> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:58) hi charlie |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 09:58) This is getting pretty esoteric, but I think the public comment session at the end of it should be a good one |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:02) There are some really interesting issues hidden in this presentation. In many cases the countries are at odds with their ccTLD administrators. In some cases, like in some underdeveloped un-wired countries, the country cannot even contact or identify their adminstrator. However, this is usually the case in countries in which there is very little Internet use. The adminstrators have been in control since the beginning and they operate these ccTLDs for their livings. They are terrif |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:04) the whole cctld argument is more bogus bunk. the cctld's were given as gifts to friends of john postel. Icann should just leave it the way it is. If countries want their own tld's give them the three letter brand. |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:04) i agree with baptista |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:05) it's just common sense - there has been more bunk about cctld's then there are raindrps in a hurricane. |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:05) government involvement only complicates things in my views..they should stay out of cctld issues |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:06) not to mention nasty cctld operators who refuse to hand over the database - and in some cases when countries took over - this happened forget the details as to whom - but when it happened the country found out it did not know how to operate it - and the cctld was returned to the original admin. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:07) anyone remember which cctld that was? |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:07) jon postel and iana did not require any government consent when cctld's were issued...if they wanted governments to run it..they would have made government consent a requirement..yet they didnt |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:07) How about the existing ones under the F.401 root, i.e., c=[2 letter code] with diagonal separators |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:08) government were not even consulted in most cases - mainly because postel tried and the government had no idea what he was going on about - what network they said? now of course government want in on the gold rush - which only exists because of domain name scarcity due to a lack of gtlds. the old icann sing song - unfortunately |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:09) sure - anything tony that would just get this show off the road. By the way very wise move in nsi taking you on - let's hope unlike the ITU - NSI listens to your gentle wispers of caution and advise |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:10) the twomey presentation is linked off the agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:10) but it's topheavy with images |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:10) and a little slow to load |
| <charlesnesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:12) What was the outcome of the discussion on the at-large election process? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:13) big question! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:14) give me a second |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:14) to dig through the scribe notes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:14) and point you to the right place |
| <charlesnesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:15) I've been doing that myself, and didn't come up with an answer on first pass. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:16) my own take on it is that the divisions are quite deep |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:16) CDT and Common Cause presented their report which advises ICANN to wait; Dyson has said (in the ny times) that you have to make mistakes in order to move forward |
| <MegSmith2> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:16) This is jay, btw |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:16) a very interesting debate on direct v. indirect elections |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:17) but I wouldn't say there was any definable outcome |
| <charlesnesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:17) thanks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:17) kind of a pushme-pullyou feeling to the argument |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:18) charlie - would love to hear you write in with a question for the upcoming open forum |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:18) has bill seimich stated his draft version yet? |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:18) In case anyone hasn't seen this: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/03/cyber/articles/03domain.html |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:20) scribe notes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:20) anyone out there have a comment on ccTLDs? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:20) haven't gotten a single one through the official system |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:21) please recall that the chat is informal |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:21) and only comments submitted through the form can be read aloud |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:21) you can reach the form at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime> |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:22) actually, you reach it *via* that page |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:22) Comments regarding ccTLDs are being solicited by the Board |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:25) I am interested in the situation in which an adminstrator is operating a ccTLD for profit from outside of the country, with no contact with the country, and not at all in the interests of the country. There would have been no good reason to create the ccTLDs if they were not supposed to be used by the countries themselves. |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:27) Becca, do the countries earn a commission when an outsider sells those names? |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:27) No. Currently the countries have no official connection to the ccTLDs at all. |
| <charlesnesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:28) What would government "involvement" mean? What short of control? |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:28) Would your view change if the country was given a commission which could be potentially profitable |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:29) and beneficial to its population (especially third world nations) |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:31) nesson - your talking nonsense - the whole cctld debate is irrelevant and a waste of time - as I've said - leave them alone - give the countries whatever they want as a tld - and get on with it. Your views on globalization and governance of the net are bogus - i'm sure the day icann buggers up the system and pisses off a few people - will be the day people move on to alternate root servers - and that will be that. |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:31) its ironic icann is soliciting funds from the same cctlds |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:31) I think the GAC wants government involvement to mean the power to delegate and redelegate the administrator function. I think it makes most sense for the relationship to be with ICANN, but with a set of minimum requirements for the adminstrators that include some guarantee of operating in the interest of the country they represent. |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:32) I think governments should be able to subcontract out maintence of their cctld but they should be able to reclaim it when they have the appropriate resources to do so |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:32) and remember - icann controls the root space - because it controls the root servers - but anyone can run root servers - which means icann is not in control. All you lawyers forgot to do your homework when you joined on, and now we have an evolving mess which will result in alot of "egg on face" so to speak |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:33) rebecca not every government is a stable one..not every government even gets along..yet the internet is global...this causes conflict |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:33) serious onflict |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:33) In the presence of conflict--who should be able to control the cctld? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:34) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <charlesnesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:34) baptista, nonsense and bogus are pretty tough responses to a question. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:34) What if the ccTLD administrator is not working in the interest of the country for which they have the privilege of operating the ccTLD? |
| <JeffTreut> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:34) Ideally, Jay, it would be true that some of the revenues would "trickle down" to the populous in third world nations but in the case of most (all?) developing countries, this would not occur. The "equity" argument for helping developing nations financially by giving the power to control ccTLD has little substance b/c the money will typically go to a few conrolling gov't officials. |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:34) lol |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:35) just leave the cctld's where they are - they were postel gifts to friends, leave them and have countries submit their own tld's to icann and let them setup their own registries - conflict solved - right now their fighting over nothing of significance |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:35) Good point, but how can a third party like ICANN make subjective decisions about the level of corruption of a given country? |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:36) rebecca....every cctld should be given the same rights as an innocent person being accused...there must be PROOF...evidence...facts before making such accusations blindly |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:36) it should not be icann's business to adjudicate. this is a matter of communications infrastructure and not the business of law |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:36) they have governments being taken over as well |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:38) the internet is working to be as one...how can that ever be if various governments are at war with each other? |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:38) wake up and smell the coffee |
| <JeffTreut> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:38) Jay -- I'm not saying that they can make such subjective decisions (although some organization does rank countries by their level of corruption). I am simply asserting that ICANN is not necessarily benefiting the general population in poor countries by providing them with a cctld. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:39) the internet can work dividied - it's happening now with all the alternate root servers being setup or established |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:39) however - it's preffered it be united |
| <GeorgeC> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:39) governments have done enough damage to this world..history proves it |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:40) i currently maintain a root server file for pccf - we can see the entire internet - orsc - irsc - eirsc aursc - namespace - etc. etc. - even i-dns - the chinese tld space people |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:42) ester is looking good - she looked pretty bad in santiago and la - but she looks very healthy today - well rested in fact. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:44) the problem with this whole cctld and gtld stuff is that the namespace can hold the entire english dictionary with respect to name space - if icann was wise - they would incorporate naturall language into the dns instead of trying to fit people in square pegs. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:44) that french womnan is elizabeth - the official dnso censor |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:44) scribe notes are fresh |
| <charlesnesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:48) hi jonathan |
| <JonathanZittrain> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:48) Hiya |
| <JonathanZittrain> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:50) Have they been taking any remote comments? |
| <JonathanZittrain> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:50) (Have people been submitting any?) |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:50) Some. |
| <JayBregman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:52) Hey |
| <charlesnesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:52) remarkably good audio and video coming thru |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:53) that's right at one time you would just call up postel and say do it - nato got a top level domain once - but they retired it in favour of a .int sld domain |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:53) we had good comments in the early sections of the meetings |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:53) lots of Hampshire college students |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:53) We've turned the compressor way up for more consistent audio levels. |
| <BenEdelman> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:53) Makes a huge difference, I think. |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) Lots of angry Hampshire students.... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) you can see the archives of the substantive comments |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) on the broadcast page |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) hi choob! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) the ones with checkmarks are the ones that were read |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) heh. Hi. Back to make more trouble |
| <BillBickford> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) Hi John---Did you change your mind to stop by in NY on your way back home? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) that's right the Hampshire student were really pissed off with icann - which is good |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) good thing. getting boring 'round here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:54) hey bill, and no, I'm going straight home! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:55) everyone remember, the open comment period is coming up |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:55) don't be a spoil sport - do the NY drinks - stay over the night - and use jet lag as an excuse for the wife |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:55) I've got a bunch of comments queued but we can always take more for the archive |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:55) baptista- you know why. It was mainly because of the way the comments/question of one of us were brushed aside |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:56) Joe - that's the thing, I *want* to see my wife... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:56) call me crazy! |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:56) no that's a good thing - god bless those who actually marry for love - reminds me of my parental units |
| <BillBickford> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:57) OK, John, next time you are in NY with your wife, we will all go out for drinks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:57) we gotta deal. Now submit some comments! |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:57) john - have your wife meet you in NY - a night in NY with the wife - i'll fedex the candles |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:58) I'm getting the evil eye about our being off topic, so let's try to rein in |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 10:58) oops - sorry meg - i'll take the blame for this one |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:00) ya choob - the comments are mainly to dress up the icann show - and not much else - it rationalizes the bottom up process which is mainly icann bunk |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:00) OK, I've changed the broadcast page to open forum |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:00) baptista- so that just goes back to the question of whose interests are truly being prioritized here |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:03) choob - IBM's interest are what's being prioritized. check out http://cookreport.com/isoccontrol.shtml for more details |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:04) IBM? You mean no micro$oft??? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:05) no microsoft - ibm started the show - microsoft barely knows what's going on - if gates knew the score - he's incorporate his own root servers into win 2000 |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:06) but it's interesting to note that win 2k is heavily dependent on dns service for almost anything it does |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:07) I have two comments for the open period specifically |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:08) here's another big one choob - do you know the dns can be used to assist christian groups in censoring internet content, or family value groups - i strongly support the approach of using dns to safegard kids - but it won't happen under icann. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:08) and a bunch of others |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:08) I'm going to ask her directly |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:08) to read a few online ones |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:10) baptista: well, these groups may be using censoring on a small scale- for the benefit of their own children, but if they were ever using it on a large scale, that would be completely outrageous. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:10) hans is a free lunch sort of guy - he wants to keep travelling which is nonsense - icann should be a leader in full remote interaction - ester could technically chair the icann meetings from her bath - is she wanted. this flying around is a bad waste of money |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:11) oh choop - you may have misunderstood me - I don't want to have these groups censor me - but if they want to censor themselves - god bless them - imagine a tld called .safe - where only disney type companies could register. |
| <NetJunki> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:12) Christian groups(or any group) always has the option of running their own DNS server and just leave out entries for any site they find objectionable. |
| <NetJunki> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:12) The problem is that you could still "find out" the IP address for a site and access it. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:14) NetJunki - yes that is true - however it is much more logical to have it established in the general dns - so people could have universal access to it - that why we have the dns - spreading resources over machine space - the problem with most of these groups is that censoring and verification is time consuming - so it's best spread out and shared between groups - then people have various safe tld space - which protects while it enriches content. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:14) We are always interested in hearing suggestions of how to make |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:14) Remote participation better, so please speak up or drop Berkman an email |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:14) baptista: Don't worry, I understood. I am just getting a little harried from lack of sleep |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:15) choop - you a good egg. |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:15) They've wrapped up here -- sorry no more remote comments got read! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:15) Good night, all - thanks for playing...sorry we didn't get to the comments |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:15) they'll all be archived and |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:15) available. |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:15) drinky time - Michael Roberts must be relieved |
| <MegSmith> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:15) See you tomorrow! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:16) I'm outta here and you folks should go get some sleep |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:16) the board comes on at 9AM cairo time, 7AM GMT, 2AM EST |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:16) we'll see you there |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:16) what sleep - i maybe in north america - but i'm on cairo time |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:16) sleep is at 4pm est |
| <Choob> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:18) baptista: You've got style. I dig. |
| <DanDoyle> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:18) Will there be anything posted later today or should I wait till Friday? |
| <baptista> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:19) ok - i'm off - will be leaving myself connected to the channel - but there are slimly clad human on my patio and i have an opportunity for a cheep thrill - pity the pool is closed - but who expected a heat wave in canada at this time of year |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Thu, March 09, 2000 at 11:19) Goodbye. |
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