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18:29]  Aphilo Aarde: Sounds like you might create a conversation with them about your idea within SL

[18:29]  David Spaatz: an abstract or go big?

[18:29]  You: hi everyone

[18:30]  Aphilo Aarde: Why not start with an abstract and, possibly, an outline.

[18:30]  David Spaatz: hello

[18:30]  Aphilo Aarde: Hi Geoff

[18:30]  Radar Shades:   [Aphilo Aarde @ 4M]  [David Spaatz @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 6M]  [crislc Amdahl @ 21M]  [Andre Rich @ 23M] 

[18:30]  David Spaatz: good idea

[18:30]  Aphilo Aarde: Hello IlHd

[18:30]  lIHd Sellery: Good evening gentlemen

[18:31]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 4M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [crislc Amdahl @ 21M]  [Andre Rich @ 23M] 

[18:31]  lIHd Sellery: and ladies if any are present

[18:31]  Aphilo Aarde: We were just talking about how we might develop the at-large participants' projects.

[18:31]  You: current projects already in motion or new ideas?

[18:32]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 4M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 23M] 

[18:32]  Aphilo Aarde: We haven't expanded the wiki very much yet.

[18:32]  Aphilo Aarde: Hello Crislc

[18:32]  You: hey cris


[18:32]  crislc Amdahl: hey all

[18:32]  crislc Amdahl: i'm just trying to catch up on the chat log

[18:32]  Aphilo Aarde: Let's talk about current projects.

[18:32]  Aphilo Aarde: for the moment.

[18:33]  crislc Amdahl: I had to post my group's transcript to our wiki...anyone care to give a quick summary?

[18:33]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:33]  Aphilo Aarde: What were you and Rebecca talking about last night vis-a-vis expertise, Geoff?

[18:33]  Aphilo Aarde: We're just getting started Cris

[18:34]  You: well, the main point was that the at-large members of the class each have some substantive knowledge that could potentially be brought to bear 
on various projects.
[18:34]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:34]  You: I thought it would help to have a sort of inventory.

[18:34]  David Spaatz: i put some skills and background info in my member profile on the wiki

[18:34]  You: likewise.

[18:35]  Aphilo Aarde: People may have touched on some of that in their introductions, and in moodle, but I think it would be helpful to talk about it on the wiki.

[18:35]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:36]  David Spaatz: has everyone updated the at large participant list with skills etc?

[18:36]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:36]  Aphilo Aarde: It might be helpful to find out what kind of commitment at-large participants intend, as well, n'est-ce pas?

[18:36]  You: no, this was just an idea tossed out last night

[18:36]  You: agreed. what DO we want to do?

[18:37]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:37]  lIHd Sellery: well have we discussed possible projects, what skill we need for those projects and possibly talking about prioritizing them.

[18:38]  lIHd Sellery: We could brainstorm toss ideas out

[18:38]  David Spaatz: should we create a project between us? or consciously attach ourselves to the HES HLS

[18:38]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:38]  Aphilo Aarde: ONe thought: I'm interested in potentially co-authoring a paper about code-as-law vis a vis SL, questions about real / virtual, 
sociologically and anthropologically.

[18:38]  lIHd Sellery: well I think we need to talk about what is important first/what we want to do

[18:38]  Aphilo Aarde: Let's brainstorm about projects.

[18:38]  You: i like the paper idea

[18:39]  lIHd Sellery: I would like the class videos to improve

[18:39]  Aphilo Aarde: The paper idea might synthesize our various skills.

[18:39]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:39]  Aphilo Aarde: How IlHd?

[18:39]  David Spaatz: i made a production notes page and suggestions, but i dont think they have the staff

[18:39]  lIHd Sellery: I am writing a paper of file-sharing in Sweden this semester and the effects of the pirate bay case

[18:40]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Scott Massey @ 10M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:40]  lIHd Sellery: I don't know if that crosses over into the territory that lessig covers in code

[18:40]  You: is the class reading Code?

[18:40]  Aphilo Aarde: Have you e-mailed the suggestions to Kwan Bul, David? I think he would be open to your ideas.

[18:41]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:41]  David Spaatz: is he actually editing?

[18:41]  Aphilo Aarde: Coda as Law isn't on the syllabus, that I have seen.

[18:41]  Aphilo Aarde: At times he has edited for highlights of a lecture.

[18:41]  crislc Amdahl: are the at-large projects bound to the same themes as the HES projects?

[18:41]  You: i don't think so..

[18:41]  Aphilo Aarde: I think there's much latitude.

[18:42]  Aphilo Aarde: What would you like to do cris?

[18:42]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:42]  crislc Amdahl: well, dinner's sitting in front of me...so my mind's a little hyper-focused :-)

[18:42]  crislc Amdahl: more seriously...I"m already in an HES project group...

[18:42]  Aphilo Aarde: Avatar's don't get hungry in the same way.

[18:43]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:43]  David Spaatz: i do like the idea of each of us working with HES HLS individually

[18:43]  crislc Amdahl: ...so I know what the HES projects are bound by

[18:43]  David Spaatz: to disperse oue energies

[18:43]  crislc Amdahl: I'd love to incorporate the At-Large participants into that, but I'm not sure it makes the most sense

[18:43]  David Spaatz: please explain

[18:43]  Aphilo Aarde: One of the questions that came up last night is how we as at-large participants might focus.

[18:44]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:44]  Aphilo Aarde: You might enjoy reading the office hour transcipt from last night posted on the wiki, esp. Rebecca's comments.

[18:45]  You: one of the broad-strokes ideas i have about at-large participants is to contribute in a meaningful way top the experience of the enrolled 
students.

[18:45]  crislc Amdahl: not just at-large, but how HES students focus vs. HLS students, vs. At-Large Part'nts

[18:45]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:45]  David Spaatz: ok

[18:45]  You: that is not a project idea, just a goal.

[18:45]  Aphilo Aarde: Yes, Cris

[18:45]  David Spaatz: /nod

[18:46]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:46]  David Spaatz: do i need to look at her notes now

[18:46]  crislc Amdahl: what are your goals, as At-Large students?

[18:46]  David Spaatz: or can you summarize why our working directly with HLS HES isn't the best idea?

[18:47]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:47]  Aphilo Aarde: no

[18:47]  lIHd Sellery: my goal is to cross this course over with my other interest as a law student

[18:47]  You: my goal as an at large member is to engage the material and fellow participants.

[18:47]  lIHd Sellery: create connections here and untimately imrpove my knowledge of the subjects covered

[18:47]  crislc Amdahl: well, one of the important points from last night is that there are two audiences among the course's enrolled students

[18:48]  crislc Amdahl: the HLS and HES students may watch the same lectures, but they have totally different experiences

[18:48]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:48]  crislc Amdahl: and for that matter, their assignments & syllabi aren't completely congruous

[18:48]  crislc Amdahl: I think that's a great strength of this course

[18:48]  Aphilo Aarde: Here are some ideas: A regular group e-mail? Identifying as a group a wide range of projects, with small enough elements to engage, 
but not overwhelm, people who are busy? Encouraging each group to do this?

[18:48]  crislc Amdahl: that we can use the same material, and by shifting perspectives, apply it to many different audiences

[18:48]  David Spaatz: ok

[18:49]  David Spaatz: my goal is to be a part of this couse

[18:49]  David Spaatz: and bring it to the people of the world

[18:49]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:49]  David Spaatz: promote after experience

[18:49]  crislc Amdahl: sorry, david. what do you mean by "promote after experience"?

[18:50]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:50]  lIHd Sellery: I think a goal most of us have in commen is improving distance learning and access to education, no?

[18:50]  Aphilo Aarde: I'd like to articulate my anthropological and sociological orientation to IT and society, including having taught an anthropology of the 
law course, with the course, and innovation in new technologies.

[18:50]  David Spaatz: understand the concept/possibilities/applications and share my experiences to illustrate the option

[18:50]  crislc Amdahl: I think some of the HEs students share that goal, lihd.

[18:50]  David Spaatz: to educators/students and others interested in education

[18:50]  crislc Amdahl: I don't know about the HLS students

[18:50]  Aphilo Aarde: Yes, IlHd

[18:50]  lIHd Sellery: I would also like to find people who was assist me with the topics I am interested in researching

[18:50]  Aphilo Aarde: For example, IlHd?

[18:51]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:51]  lIHd Sellery: I guess then some form of more complete CV should be something that we should invite people to complete

[18:51]  crislc Amdahl: becca made a great point about his...along the lines of "practice, don't preach"

[18:51]  lIHd Sellery: perhaps we could offer up some form of wiki template and invite poeple to fill it in.

[18:52]  lIHd Sellery: maybe something that looks nice and is easy to usee

[18:52]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:52]  lIHd Sellery: I think once we all get to know each other better then we will have a batter idea what we can do

[18:52]  Aphilo Aarde: And perhaps identify possible longer term research goals, into which our course goals might fit, to find common interests.

[18:52]  You: i think so too

[18:52]  Aphilo Aarde: Yes.

[18:52]  crislc Amdahl: i have a key question for you guys as at-large p'nts...

[18:53]  crislc Amdahl: ...what motivates you all to participate?

[18:53]  crislc Amdahl: HES & HLS want to get good grades

[18:53]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:53]  crislc Amdahl: which guarantees (in theory), not only participation, but a certain quality of effort

[18:53]  David Spaatz: turning on to the future

[18:53]  Aphilo Aarde: I have an interest in the social theory of the Internet / IT, and this course is very germane and timely.

[18:53]  crislc Amdahl: we're accountable to the professors

[18:53]  You: knowledge; resources to use in my own research and teaching.

[18:53]  crislc Amdahl: so it's personal interest that fundamentally motivates you?

[18:53]  lIHd Sellery: well this is fun and interesting and untinately I would like to develop skills that will allow me to wrok on thigs that interest me while 
allowing me to be geographically independant.

[18:53]  You: but more so

[18:54]  lIHd Sellery: I would have taken this course had it been offered at my school

[18:54]  You: i teach free speech; i think this technology will reshape our democracy.

[18:54]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:54]  lIHd Sellery: and I may like to eventually take a course like this if I continue my studies

[18:54]  David Spaatz: i want to learn a tool that enables so many more to join us in understanding

[18:54]  Aphilo Aarde: I'm interested in expanding my knowledge. I also would like to teach a course on "Society and Information TEchnology" vis-a-vis Manuel Castells' theorizing of the Network Society, and this offers more complementary analyses.

[18:54]  lIHd Sellery: well, that too I am very interested in free speech and I am taking another course in free speech this semester

[18:55]  Aphilo Aarde: And in unique ways, Geoff.

[18:55]  David Spaatz: understanding technology/holistic view/empathy

[18:55]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 22M] 

[18:55]  lIHd Sellery: so this course helps me with toher things I am studying now

[18:55]  You: yes...unique and unpredictable ways.

[18:56]  crislc Amdahl: so you all have personal goals that this course helps you with?

[18:56]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 75M] 

[18:56]  David Spaatz: yes

[18:56]  You: yup.

[18:56]  lIHd Sellery: yes

[18:56]  David Spaatz: brb

[18:56]  Aphilo Aarde: I teach at a university presently, so this course is topical professionally for me.

[18:56]  Aphilo Aarde: And I'm interested personally.

[18:56]  lIHd Sellery: and it's a good fun distraction that I can do when I am not working without "wasting" my time

[18:57]  crislc Amdahl: I think that the at-large participants have a fundamentally different reward structure from the enrolled students (to state the obvious)

[18:57]  lIHd Sellery: kind of a productive form of procrqastination

[18:57]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 78M] 

[18:57]  crislc Amdahl: we all have a common immediate goal: to get good grades

[18:57]  crislc Amdahl: and the structure of the course encourages us to work together, to help each other achieve that

[18:57]  crislc Amdahl: it sounds like the same structures won't work for the ALP

[18:57]  lIHd Sellery: well yes, for one if I can tie any of the projects in this course into my other course work this semester that will give me a much larger 
incentive to participate

[18:57]  Aphilo Aarde: Writing a paper, and then publishing it, has some overlap with enrolled students' projects.

[18:58]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 92M] 

[18:58]  crislc Amdahl: each of you have unique reasons to be here. some of those are in alignment with HES students, but others may be much broader

[18:58]  You: i think it is very important to highlight that fact, crislc, that the institutional structure can alter the methods of cooperation.

[18:58]  Aphilo Aarde: as can the technologies.

[18:58]  Aphilo Aarde: do

[18:59]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Andre Rich @ 58M] 

[18:59]  You: yes, we are no doubt working within an entirely new paradigm.

[18:59]  You: but we have some hurdles to cross

[18:59]  David Spaatz: what about groups being composed of HES, HLS and ALP

[18:59]  lIHd Sellery: what are the major hurdles

[18:59]  crislc Amdahl: geoff, what do you see as those hurdles?

[19:00]  lIHd Sellery: just the different reasons for ebing here?

[19:00]  Aphilo Aarde: And within the context of the university, and free speech, idea sharing is central.

[19:00]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 16M]  [Andre Rich @ 54M] 

[19:00]  crislc Amdahl: hi sariah

[19:00]  Aphilo Aarde: Hello Sariah

[19:00]  You: let's see, off the top of my head. first, there is a coordination problem with aspects both temporal and w/r/t the direction we will go.

[19:00]  You shout: hi sariah

[19:00]  Sariah Chihuly: hi, sorry I am late.

[19:01]  Sariah Chihuly: and sorry to have landed in the middle, still not terribly graceful.

[19:01]  Radar Shades:   [Sariah Chihuly @ 2M]  [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Brian Yareach @ 10M] 

[19:01]  crislc Amdahl: that reminds me -- can everyone give release permission to post this transcript later?

[19:01]  David Spaatz: yes

[19:01]  Aphilo Aarde: yes

[19:01]  lIHd Sellery: I think most of our work will be assymetric, no?

[19:01]  You: yes

[19:01]  lIHd Sellery: yes, permission granted

[19:01]  Aphilo Aarde: It seems so, IlHd

[19:01]  crislc Amdahl: no worries, sariah. My chat history's bigger than the viewscreen anyway :-)

[19:02]  lIHd Sellery: but that's what the web is good for collaborrative efforts

[19:02]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M] 

[19:02]  lIHd Sellery: working on the same project at different times.

[19:02]  Sariah Chihuly: ok, so -- now I am out of the way a bit. yes permission granted.

[19:02]  You: i think it can revolutionize collaborative efforts

[19:02]  lIHd Sellery: with clearly stated goals and roles we overcome that hurdle

[19:02]  crislc Amdahl: i'm reading a lot of talk...can we state some of those goals, clearly? :-)

[19:02]  Aphilo Aarde: What new forms of information production might we shape innovatively with these technologies?

[19:03]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M] 

[19:03]  lIHd Sellery: and we can work in a way where we can undertake as much as we choose to do.

[19:03]  lIHd Sellery: but what these types of projects needs are good project managers or systems of managers

[19:03]  Aphilo Aarde: I'm interested in developing some questions we might have in common, which might lead to a paper.

[19:03]  crislc Amdahl: is anyone here familiar with Open-Source Software, as a project mgmt system?

[19:03]  Sariah Chihuly: so what are we really thinking about here -- a project that the at large folk can work on -- right?

[19:03]  You: to create a community of Netizens; to foster friendship and collaboration; to aid the spread of knowledge

[19:04]  lIHd Sellery: i mean good systems of managing, and we have that, in some sense, with a wiki.

[19:04]  Aphilo Aarde: Not yet, Cris.

[19:04]  Sariah Chihuly: so I think by definition it has to have some pretty specific goals and limits.

[19:04]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M] 

[19:04]  lIHd Sellery: yeas, I am familiar with open source software to smoe extent, no direct experience but I have discussed it before

[19:04]  crislc Amdahl: lihd -- a wiki is really only as good as its moderators

[19:05]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 10M] 

[19:05]  Aphilo Aarde: hello tetero

[19:05]  Sariah Chihuly: do we have anyone here who writes code or is familiar enough with sl to manipulate it and create something here?

[19:05]  You: can we, at a minimum, take on the at large wiki as a near term project?

[19:05]  crislc Amdahl: I guess my point is that we can define a really cool project, but it's only going to be as good as what people put into it.

[19:05]  crislc Amdahl: geoff, what would you like to do with the wiki?

[19:06]  Aphilo Aarde: That makes sense, Geoff, and will certainly focus our conversation.

[19:06]  crislc Amdahl: hello again, tetero

[19:06]  Radar Shades:   [Tetero Lesse @ 1M]  [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M] 

[19:06]  lIHd Sellery: I suppose so, do we have any good moderators?

[19:06]  You: hi tetero.

[19:06]  Sariah Chihuly: exactly crisic, but in a way, I would almost rather creat something in sl than on a wiki.

[19:06]  crislc Amdahl: some of us here have been acting as moderators on the wiki

[19:06]  Tetero Lesse: hi crislc

[19:06]  crislc Amdahl: I think that the medium may be less important -- whether wiki or SL. but the barrier to editing / modifying a wiki is lower than doing 
stuff in SL

[19:06]  lIHd Sellery: I think that we may be able to get some help and guidance from the berkman centre if we need it.

[19:06]  You: i see the wiki as the repository of the knowledge we find.

[19:07]  Aphilo Aarde: SL is so unique . . . writing a paper in SL, and posting it . . .

[19:07]  Radar Shades:   [Tetero Lesse @ 1M]  [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 7M]  
[GeneKoo Li @ 25M] 

[19:07]  crislc Amdahl: no reason we couldn't combine the two, either

[19:07]  lIHd Sellery: and i am a interested in learning more about moderating.

[19:07]  Sariah Chihuly: might be nice to extend the open education classroom

[19:07]  Sariah Chihuly: there are a lot of institutions who are doing something or other with open source.

[19:08]  GeneKoo Li: oops

[19:08]  You: hi gene!

[19:08]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 4M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:08]  Aphilo Aarde: Hello Gene.

[19:08]  GeneKoo Li: that wasn't the entrance I was hoping for

[19:08]  lIHd Sellery: nice enterence Gene :)

[19:08]  Sariah Chihuly: mit stanford and maybe yale have an open source course management system and a whole lot of course materials available open 
source.

[19:08]  Scott Massey is Offline

[19:08]  Aphilo Aarde: Nice car, Gene! :)

[19:08]  David Spaatz: yale in the spring

[19:08]  crislc Amdahl: so far, I hear a few possible mediums: 1) the wiki, 2) SL (in general), 3) SL as a place to write & post a paper, 4) the open education 
classroom

[19:08]  crislc Amdahl: sariah, what do you mean by "the open education classroom"

[19:08]  crislc Amdahl: hi gene :-)

[19:09]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 4M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  
[GeneKoo Li @ 8M] 

[19:09]  Sariah Chihuly: well I don't know exactly -- but it seems that if there are others like us out there, who like to learn

[19:09]  lIHd Sellery: one of the things I wouyld like to discuss and improve is the video that is available for the class.

[19:09]  Sariah Chihuly: and who are using the open source classes to do it -- wouldn't it be great to creat a discussion place or a commons or something?

[19:09]  crislc Amdahl: ah, so another medium is the course-generated materials (i.e. lecture videos)

[19:09]  David Spaatz: chris, i like your focus

[19:09]  Tetero Lesse: There's also a class weblog which all participants are welcome to post in (http://education-tech/cyberone)

[19:10]  Aphilo Aarde: We can e-mail Kwan Bul through the wiki. I'd like to see the videos in SL, although it may tax memory too much.

[19:10]  Sariah Chihuly: kind of vague, just now beginning to think, opening mouth prior to insertion of foot I am sure.

[19:10]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 3M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  
[GeneKoo Li @ 8M] 

[19:10]  crislc Amdahl: there is a video gallery on this island

[19:10]  You: brb

[19:10]  Sariah Chihuly: but I have taught online and one of the things I sorely miss is this.

[19:10]  crislc Amdahl: it's on the other side of the bridge

[19:10]  Sariah Chihuly: the opportunity to chat in real time and maybe even play with the concepts, ask questions, have the profs drop in etc., that you get in 
bricks an mortar.

[19:11]  crislc Amdahl: i think improving the course videos is a great idea. i'm not sure it's completely in alignment with everyone else's goals, as mentioned so 
far

[19:11]  GeneKoo Li: sorry to be a party poopie but are you talking about the class in general?

[19:11]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 3M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  
[GeneKoo Li @ 8M]  [Sphere Gasser @ 10M] 

[19:11]  lIHd Sellery: does anyone know if/when voice chat will become available in SL?

[19:11]  crislc Amdahl: i'm not sure what we're talking about, gene :-)

[19:11]  lIHd Sellery: well I agree, but the video is something fundamental that everyone relies on, no?

[19:11]  Aphilo Aarde: We're focusing to some degree on at-large contributions, in particular.

[19:12]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 3M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 4M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  
[Sphere Gasser @ 10M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 11M] 

[19:12]  crislc Amdahl: that's a good question. has everyone here watched at least some of the videos?

[19:12]  Sariah Chihuly: hi gene. great car.

[19:12]  David Spaatz: yes

[19:12]  crislc Amdahl: I know it's critical to the HES & HLS students. what about the ALP's?

[19:12]  GeneKoo Li: Hi all

[19:12]  lIHd Sellery: yes, I have watched

[19:12]  David Spaatz: crucial to grasp flow and new ideas

[19:12]  lIHd Sellery: Hi, Gene.

[19:13]  lIHd Sellery: Nesson is one of my favourite parts of this project

[19:13]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 1M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Sphere Gasser @ 27M] 

[19:13]  GeneKoo Li: And yet to be quite frank, the lectures shouldn't be overemphasized either

[19:13]  lIHd Sellery: so the videos are very important to me.

[19:13]  Sariah Chihuly: charlie or rebecca?

[19:13]  GeneKoo Li: We expect that the learning is also going to happen by the actual doing of the projects

[19:13]  crislc Amdahl: i agree, gene

[19:13]  Sariah Chihuly: yes, the videos are critical and great.

[19:13]  crislc Amdahl: but I think lihd has a good point

[19:13]  Sariah Chihuly: but I have no video editing skills.

[19:13]  Aphilo Aarde: Cris has mentioned the following as possible goals mentioned so far: 1) the wiki, 2) SL (in general), 3) SL as a place to write & post a paper, 4) the open education classroom 5) improving the course videos

[19:13]  GeneKoo Li: Otherwise, the learning is abstract

[19:14]  lIHd Sellery: sorry Both I guess, but I really enjoy listening to Charlie.

[19:14]  Sariah Chihuly: I could be a great cheerleader.

[19:14]  crislc Amdahl: the videos are a great nucleus, that everyone works with

[19:14]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Sphere Gasser @ 31M] 

[19:14]  crislc Amdahl: improving the videos doesn't have to mean video editing skills

[19:14]  Aphilo Aarde: I, too, have watched the videos; Prof. Nesson is great and keeps things so open.

[19:14]  You: oh?

[19:14]  lIHd Sellery: I have been taking with another at large student who works in video.

[19:14]  GeneKoo Li: Becca had encouraged ppl to edit the wiki accompanying the video -- is that in line with what you're describing?

[19:14]  David Spaatz: in some sense it does because we cant be behind the lens.

[19:14]  crislc Amdahl: i'd say so

[19:15]  David Spaatz: i mentioned the importance of good sound

[19:15]  Sariah Chihuly: ok, i'll bite, what would you need to do to improve them?

[19:15]  crislc Amdahl: (to gene's comment, about editing wiki's with the video)

[19:15]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Sphere Gasser @ 46M] 

[19:15]  lIHd Sellery: if we could co-operate with the HES and HLS students who are working with it we might be able to accomplish something usefull

[19:15]  crislc Amdahl: we might also want to improve the video experience on Berkman island, here

[19:15]  crislc Amdahl: the HLS students are responsible for the week's pages, including class lecture notes

[19:15]  GeneKoo Li: I actually had an idea with that great video capture of our class on thursday in SL that I would do some kind of audio narrative, like a 
director's soundtrack

[19:15]  Aphilo Aarde: Yes, Cris, although individual system limitations can be a limitation.

[19:15]  GeneKoo Li: but I guess that would be hard when the lectures are audio to begin with

[19:16]  crislc Amdahl: I"m sure they would appreciate assistance

[19:16]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:16]  crislc Amdahl: personally, I'd love an audio version of the lecftures for my mp3 player

[19:16]  GeneKoo Li: There's nothing exclusive to the HLS students re: wiki

[19:16]  Sariah Chihuly: that would be good.

[19:16]  crislc Amdahl: I think that there's a lot that could come out of the course videos, that isn't directl video-related

[19:16]  GeneKoo Li: I listen to the lectures anyway, I don't think I watch most of it

[19:16]  crislc Amdahl: certainly plenty that doesn't require video-editing skills

[19:16]  lIHd Sellery: I was thinking that with access to the video and some discussion of how it is shot we could possibly improve the experience by by adding 
content to it.

[19:16]  GeneKoo Li: heh, if someone could just auto-extract the audio that'd be a huge step right there

[19:17]  lIHd Sellery: Like integrating the slides with the video

[19:17]  Sariah Chihuly: podcasts would be great -- although I don't think mine does video, but I could listen to them over and over again -- sounds weird, 
but true.

[19:17]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:17]  GeneKoo Li: lIHd, that's kinda the holy grail there :)

[19:17]  crislc Amdahl: so clearly there are some needs that we would like filled

[19:17]  crislc Amdahl: integrated slides & video aren't terribly uncommon

[19:17]  GeneKoo Li: no, yet oh so hard to actually do...

[19:17]  lIHd Sellery: for a start, then I know some people have discussed back channel it would be interesting to have that added to the video as well, but I 
may be overreacching here as all that is a lot of work

[19:17]  crislc Amdahl: there's software out there that automatically syncs recordings

[19:18]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:18]  David Spaatz: i produce class lectures for extension students via internet and there are some basics that greatly inprove the students exp

[19:18]  Aphilo Aarde: Yes, that's doable. I bet Jason Crow, who lectured yesterday, would offer professional insight.

[19:18]  crislc Amdahl: like what, David?

[19:18]  Sariah Chihuly: i would be happy to help with osmething like this, but time is rolling on and i also need to save time to actually read/see the course 
materials. so let's err on the side of modesty now,

[19:18]  Sariah Chihuly: my two cents.

[19:18]  lIHd Sellery: but I don't know maybe someone has the resources here to strealine the process?

[19:19]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:19]  crislc Amdahl: sariah, I think you've got a great point

[19:19]  David Spaatz: i look at them from production to facilitate info sharing

[19:19]  crislc Amdahl: what's an immediate action we can take, to improve the videos? or better yet, what are a few immediate actions, at varying levels of 
skill?

[19:19]  GeneKoo Li: I imagine the easiest and fastest bang for the buck would be something like extracting the audio

[19:19]  lIHd Sellery: can the quality of the video be improved?

[19:20]  GeneKoo Li: We can then post it to the course blog as a podcast

[19:20]  Aphilo Aarde: At the moment pragmatically, it's often difficult to see the accompanying slides, but the lectures/narratives work.

[19:20]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:20]  crislc Amdahl: can we get ahold of the powerpoint decks?

[19:20]  GeneKoo Li: it's also a lot easier to edit audio, cut out garbage and sync it, I think

[19:20]  Aphilo Aarde: Prof. Nesson's posting of PPT slides was helpful.

[19:20]  crislc Amdahl: that's true, gene

[19:21]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn Dickins @ 72M] 

[19:21]  Sariah Chihuly is Online

[19:21]  Tetero Lesse: The technical barriers aren't great, but it's a significant time commitment.

[19:21]  GeneKoo Li: btw is anywhere here in the Tue 10pm group?

[19:21]  GeneKoo Li: I was actually dropping in to check on that

[19:21]  crislc Amdahl: so there are a few things we can do: 1) get the audio extracted, and put together as a podcast

[19:22]  crislc Amdahl: 2) improve the notes accompanying the audio/video

[19:22]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn Dickins @ 72M] 

[19:22]  You: what is the Tue10pm group?

[19:22]  GeneKoo Li: I would suggest that Dean, who does the video work to begin with, could probably do the audio extract quite easily

[19:22]  GeneKoo Li: we're applying for more $ so maybe that can work

[19:22]  Sariah Chihuly: you might also consider when you extract the audio, inserting expalanations of what you are missing on the video -- sort of like 
closed captioning...

[19:22]  crislc Amdahl: 3) maybe centralize the location of all three? put the powerpoint decks, class notes, and audio & video on a single page/single RSS 
feed?

[19:23]  Aphilo Aarde: That's a good idea Cris

[19:23]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn Dickins @ 67M] 

[19:23]  crislc Amdahl: tetero -- I think a time commitment is part of this. there may be some parts that are more demanding than others, though

[19:23]  GeneKoo Li: I'm not sure what the official course blog is supposed to be for, but that would be one natural place to put it all

[19:23]  crislc Amdahl: if we can get a clear set of goals together, then we could probably figure out how to apply everyone's time & abilities to it

[19:23]  crislc Amdahl: gene, I think that's an important point -- if that' snot the aim of the course blog, do we need a place that does have that aim?

[19:24]  Aphilo Aarde: You've outlined a useful beginning list, Cris.

[19:24]  crislc Amdahl: I think the wiki is actually a natural place for it all

[19:24]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Voe Dengaku @ 11M]  [Finn Dickins @ 61M] 

[19:24]  Sariah Chihuly: might also be possible to do something like cleaning up the web pages so that they all make sense. from the main blog page you have 
to click a very tricky trail to get to the weeks pages. at least I haven't found the shortcut.

[19:24]  crislc Amdahl: very true, sariah

[19:24]  GeneKoo Li: well, the blog is actually set up so it work like a podcast (autodownloading) while the wiki isn't

[19:24]  David Spaatz: course wiki sidebar

[19:24]  Sariah Chihuly: maybe a project for those of us with no video skill to offer.

[19:24]  GeneKoo Li: if that's important. for example listing it as a podcast

[19:24]  crislc Amdahl: definitely

[19:25]  crislc Amdahl: we could do both -- they'r enot exclusive

[19:25]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Voe Dengaku @ 16M]  [Finn Dickins @ 61M] 

[19:25]  crislc Amdahl: and it looks like there are a lot of us here. if we put it togehter on the blog first, as a podcast, then someone else can add it to the wiki

[19:25]  crislc Amdahl: and it's also important that we make sure it's easy to both find the latest sets, and go dig up older sets (especially if you haven't been 
participating in the course regularly)

[19:26]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Voe Dengaku @ 43M]  [Finn Dickins @ 61M] 

[19:26]  crislc Amdahl: that seems to cover a pretty broad range of skill sets and time commitments

[19:26]  Sariah Chihuly: what is "it"

[19:26]  crislc Amdahl: sorry. if we put together the Video, Audio feed, Lecture notes, and Powerpoint slides as a set

[19:27]  crislc Amdahl: and put that set on the blog, AND on the wiki

[19:27]  crislc Amdahl: the blog allows RSS

[19:27]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Eko Cheney @ 13M]  [Finn Dickins @ 45M]  [Voe Dengaku @ 67M] 

[19:27]  crislc Amdahl: the wiki is, so far, acting as a knowledge repository (although it's startin gto get a bit wild...but that's another project)

[19:27]  crislc Amdahl: a third possibility is a discussion thread in Moodle

[19:27]  lIHd Sellery: which site is the blog, the "Berkman" site?

[19:27]  Sariah Chihuly: that sounds good. sorry, didn't mean to be obtuse.

[19:27]  GeneKoo Li: blog = blogs.law.harvard.edu/cyberone

[19:28]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn Dickins @ 34M] 

[19:28]  lIHd Sellery: thanks, gene

[19:28]  crislc Amdahl: no, it's hard to track all these threads. sometimes I can't understand my own comments out of context :-)

[19:28]  GeneKoo Li: We were debating where discussion "should" go

[19:28]  GeneKoo Li: I can't say I'm entirely satisfied with how they are working out in Moodle, even for just the HES students

[19:28]  crislc Amdahl: as an HES student, moodle is driving me nuts :-)

[19:28]  GeneKoo Li: In the at-large moodle space discussion just isn't going to get to critical mass at all

[19:29]  You: yes, organization is stumbling block

[19:29]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn Dickins @ 13M] 

[19:29]  GeneKoo Li: But the blog so far is kinda meta-course, not the course itself

[19:29]  GeneKoo Li: not even sure how many in the class read it

[19:29]  crislc Amdahl: I think we need to centralize somewhat, actually. it woudl be nice if we could condense moodle to just assignment-related materials, 
and use the wiki for most knowledge-base tasks

[19:29]  Sariah Chihuly: which part is the moodle?

[19:29]  crislc Amdahl: if that blog is meta-course, maybe we need a second blog? one specific to teh course?

[19:30]  You: a students started one

[19:30]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn Dickins @ 13M] 

[19:30]  You: there is a link on the courseblog

[19:30]  GeneKoo Li: Ah yes there's also the student blog, maybe that could be better?

[19:30]  crislc Amdahl: can someone contact them, and see if they'd be willing to use it as a host feed for a podcast?

[19:30]  crislc Amdahl: i tend to use the wiki as my hub, to keep track of all the other sites

[19:31]  Aphilo Aarde: Hi Folks - I have to go now. See you Thursday, perhaps, if not before. I look forward to reading the transcript tomorrow.

[19:31]  GeneKoo Li: Yeah, I'm guessing everyone is using different "hubs"

[19:31]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [Aphilo Aarde @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  
[lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn Dickins @ 35M] 

[19:31]  crislc Amdahl: that's definitely a key problem, then

[19:31]  GeneKoo Li: Even though our intent was that the blogs.law site SHOULD be the hub

[19:31]  Sariah Chihuly: i generally start at the weeks pages

[19:31]  GeneKoo Li: We have a lot of technologies and no good way to integrate them

[19:31]  You: i use the wiki mainly

[19:31]  crislc Amdahl: if we act as a group -- just those of us here -- that would probably create a network inertia to use specific points as hubs

[19:32]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  
[Aphilo Aarde @ 11M] 

[19:32]  David Spaatz: i use wiki main page

[19:32]  crislc Amdahl: I'd contend that our key goal should be to centralize everyone's idea of a "hub"

[19:32]  Tetero Lesse: I've been doing the student blog administration. The account it runs in has limited storage and I don't think can host MP3 files. But I 
imagine something else could be worked out.

[19:32]  crislc Amdahl: and one of the incentives for them to use *our* hubs is that we have better course material there -- like this set of video, audio, 
podcast, lecture notes, and ppt deck

[19:32]  Sariah Chihuly: OR we make everything available equally from all the hubs

[19:32]  David Spaatz: u can post the files to our media or libsync

[19:32]  crislc Amdahl: because that's something everyone benefits from

[19:33]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn 
Dickins @ 61M] 

[19:33]  crislc Amdahl: i have to run, actually -- my two hours are up :-)

[19:33]  crislc Amdahl: otherwise, this course really will take over my life

[19:33]  David Spaatz: thank you chris

[19:33]  Sariah Chihuly: we might look at that because one thing you learn quickly in online teaching is that no two people do things the same way and it is 
very difficult to ""make them" change

[19:33]  You: thanks cris

[19:33]  crislc Amdahl: can someone commit to posting the transcript, and letting us know where it is? 

[19:34]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [Finn 
Dickins @ 36M] 

[19:34]  Sariah Chihuly: almost all it takes is doing something once and getting success you do it again and again, like the dog on the grid?

[19:34]  You: let's post it to the at-large page on the wiki

[19:34]  lIHd Sellery: what is the easiest way to post the transcript/ edit it?

[19:34]  crislc Amdahl: sriah -- i'm all for broader distribution, but it takes alot of effort to maintain it on several points

[19:34]  crislc Amdahl: centralization could help us until we have more resrouces to apply

[19:34]  You: i can post the conversation

[19:34]  crislc Amdahl: anyway, really leaving now

[19:34]  crislc Amdahl: thanks everyone!

[19:34]  You: ciao

[19:34]  Sariah Chihuly: yes and no, you can work it so that you have a shared nav bar or something.

[19:34]  lIHd Sellery: oh and I guess the first thing to ask is who's been here the longest and has the longest transcript?

[19:35]  Sariah Chihuly: by cris, thanks.

[19:35]  Radar Shades:   [crislc Amdahl @ 2M]  [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:35]  crislc Amdahl: oh, can I ask for a favor -- can someone scrub my email address from the transcript plz?

[19:35]  crislc Amdahl: thanks. 'nite!

[19:35]  You: Yes

[19:35]  Tetero Lesse: bye

[19:35]  crislc Amdahl is Offline

[19:35]  You: anyone else a bit dizzy?

[19:36]  lIHd Sellery: yeah, actually I am now that you mention it

[19:36]  Sariah Chihuly: totally, and trying to cook dinner tioo

[19:36]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 7M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:36]  GeneKoo Li: my video card is deep fried

[19:36]  Sariah Chihuly: but this seems to be a really good start.

[19:36]  lIHd Sellery: mmmm deep fried video card!

[19:36]  You: i agree, but i dont know where to start

[19:36]  Sariah Chihuly: of course I also came late.

[19:37]  You: beyond posting to the wiki.

[19:37]  Sariah Chihuly: well, who knows dean?

[19:37]  Radar Shades:   [Tetero Lesse @ 3M]  [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 8M] 

[19:37]  David Spaatz: there were a lot of directions and ideas

[19:37]  Sariah Chihuly: isn't he the one that could extract the audio?

[19:37]  David Spaatz: chris kept on topic

[19:37]  lIHd Sellery: don't know him

[19:37]  Sariah Chihuly: and is Gene still here?

[19:37]  GeneKoo Li: I can email dean

[19:37]  GeneKoo Li: In fact I was going to contact him for other reasons tonight so I'll just tack on the query

[19:37]  Sariah Chihuly: Gene is connected to the course somehow, I think? so maybe he can ask about permissions, too?

[19:37]  GeneKoo Li: what permissions?

[19:38]  Sariah Chihuly: great!

[19:38]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:38]  Sariah Chihuly: permission to play with the lectures?

[19:38]  David Spaatz: can I contact dean?

[19:38]  Sariah Chihuly: i guess maybe we don't need it -- that is open source. doh.

[19:38]  GeneKoo Li: Sure david you can contact dean too

[19:39]  GeneKoo Li: or instead

[19:39]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:39]  GeneKoo Li: Is the permissions for something other than the audio?

[19:39]  Sariah Chihuly: so, we contact gene and ask about extraction. then who can edit to pull out the long pauses/and/or

[19:39]  GeneKoo Li: dean not gene :)

[19:39]  Sariah Chihuly: add in some description of the missing video?

[19:40]  Sariah Chihuly: sorry. another oops. getting totally finger fried.

[19:40]  GeneKoo Li: well see how far you can get with just the extraction first, and if that works, see if can do the editing, and if that works....

[19:40]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:40]  Sariah Chihuly: zackly, that sounds good.

[19:40]  GeneKoo Li: at least that's my opinion, just so you don't overcommit yourselves at this point

[19:41]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:41]  Sariah Chihuly: works for me.

[19:42]  lIHd Sellery: sounds like a reasonable approach.

[19:42]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:42]  David Spaatz: my next step is to digest some of this and come back thur

[19:42]  Sariah Chihuly: what time thursday?

[19:43]  You: mine is to try to get a handle on the expertise aangle.

[19:43]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:43]  You: 9 on thur

[19:43]  You: or so the wiki says!

[19:43]  GeneKoo Li: sorry what is 9pm on thur?

[19:44]  You: another at large planning session.

[19:44]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:44]  You: ii think

[19:44]  GeneKoo Li: well if you say it is then it is so, yes?

[19:44]  David Spaatz: w. rebecca?

[19:44]  GeneKoo Li: not sure what our schedules are shaping up to be for the week but I think she's planning to be here

[19:44]  Sariah Chihuly: i think that actually works for me -- although I cannot keep the pace up too long.

[19:45]  David Spaatz: maybe just twice a week

[19:45]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:45]  You: i'll be absent, but please post the discussion to the wiki

[19:45]  Sariah Chihuly: did we figure who was going to post this one?

[19:45]  GeneKoo Li: OK, well, I need to run myself

[19:45]  You: i will

[19:45]  Sariah Chihuly: and maybe shorter meetings, too, once we get going?

[19:46]  You: hear hear!

[19:46]  GeneKoo Li: feel free to contact me if I can be helpful

[19:46]  David Spaatz: GM, you arrived as it started

[19:46]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [GeneKoo Li @ 5M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:46]  You: thanks gene.

[19:46]  David Spaatz: thank you gene

[19:46]  You: yes?

[19:46]  GeneKoo Li: Goodnight!

[19:46]  lIHd Sellery: g'nite, gene

[19:47]  Sariah Chihuly: heh.

[19:47]  Radar Shades:   [David Spaatz @ 4M]  [Sariah Chihuly @ 6M]  [lIHd Sellery @ 8M] 

[19:47]  Sariah Chihuly: I forget about those gestures.

[19:47]  You: that you yawning sariah?

[19:47]  Sariah Chihuly: so Geoff -- you'll do the posting of the transcript this time?

[19:47]  You: yes.
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