#bloggercon201 [INFO] Channel view for Ò#bloggercon201Ó opened. === *** Your host is wells.freenode.net[wells.freenode.net/6667], running version dancer-ircd-1.0.35 =-= User mode for ezuckerman is now +i -->| YOU have joined #bloggercon201 =-= Topic for #bloggercon201 is ÒBloggerCon 2004 - Pound 201 - Information @ http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/bloggerCon/Ó =-= Topic for #bloggercon201 was set by BloggerCon201 on Sat Apr 17 2004 06:37:59 GMT-0400 (EDT) === #bloggercon201 [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup buzzmachine are you all watching on the webcast? is it working? hoder Fons, yes. But still... Fons not in Shanghai hoder not in Canada hoder I Mean toronto andrea_livinginc True enough. But english speaking people can help their fellow citizens back in their home country to make sense of a foreign place Betsy_Devine Rebecca McKinnon--public blogroll at http://bloglines.com/public/WORLDBLOGS hoder Iranians blogs: http://blogsbyiranians.com dydimustk hoder: webcast is working? dydimustk hoder: nvmd hoder no Dowbrigade In the am I got some broken webcast, now nothing Al-Wayztravelin webcast not working here hoder here iether Betsy_Devine Rebecca. Bullet points on the board. 1) Blogs as source of alternative info and perspectives about events overseas 2) Different roles played by blogs in different countries... -->| cam (~camworld@roam250-120.fas.harvard.edu) has joined #bloggercon201 Betsy_Devine 3) Blogs as new bridge between different cultures 4) Barriers to communication (languagees, standards) -->| seedling (~seedling@roam250-43.fas.harvard.edu) has joined #bloggercon201 Betsy_Devine Ethan __?_____. Big media neglects poor nations.l You can graph coverage versus a nation's GEP hoder 3) Blogs as bridges within the societies Fons In China the internet is there for the elite, and is very useful as such davidw Ethan Zuckerman davidw EZ, recently of GeekCorps.com, not at Berkman Al-Wayztravelin room #204 is working davidw Sorry, not=now adamhill yes 204 has the mojo brittb http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethan/2004/04/16#a169 davidw #201 rules! We're #1! davidw Ethan: The US blogosphere talks about the developing world even less than the mainstream media does Betsy_Devine http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethan/ hoder the US liberal blogosphere has never taken Internatinal blogs seriousely hoder What is going on in the session? cam russia has a growing population of bloggers |<-- Al-Wayztravelin has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) Betsy_Devine Scrolliong down his page, blogs are talking more than big media about some parts of the world--a bit better coverage of iraq and the US. Fons yeah, tell the developing world :-) davidw EZ is saying that blogs don't talk about international issues very much Betsy_Devine But EZ says, blogs are not fillin gin the gap. davidw His site has a really interesting map: davidw [13:30] *** now talking in #bloggercon201 davidw [13:30] *** topic is BloggerCon 2004 - Pound 201 - Information @ http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/bloggerCon/ davidw [13:30] *** set by BloggerCon201 on Sat Apr 17 06:37:59 2004 davidw [13:30] *** channel #bloggercon201 mode is +n davidw [13:30] #bloggercon201 [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup davidw [13:30] I'm not an engineer like Dave winer and do not believe in technology as a solution for everything davidw [13:30] howdy davidw [13:30] =) davidw [13:30] John Perry Barlow just entered the room. hoder Blogs must be in their local languages, otherwise they won't catch on davidw [13:30] Hi David davidw [13:31] He is a gravity well...People get pulled over to him, say hello, etc. davidw [13:31] *** AccordionGuy (~Snak@roam250-31.fas.harvard.edu) joined Fons what is this about? davidw [13:31] What countries are represented in this IRC chat? Ecuador here.... davidw [13:31] How many of you guys coming to blogTalk 2.0 in Vienna this summer? Dowbrigade My dream is that eventually, whenever something important happens anywhere in the world, there will be a blogger nearby davidw [13:31] Netherlands davidw [13:31] any funding around :-) davidw [13:31] Germany davidw [13:32] *** Isofarro (~spamblock@user-6473.l6.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk) left () davidw [13:32] US ;) |<-- davidw has left irc.freenode.net (Excess Flood) Fons Has Cheney taken over? Dowbrigade Funny how they won't let Bush testify without a "grownup" in the room... Fons this was crazy hoder What happened? hoder What is going on in the session? Fons I got a host of traffic over me Fons like the dikes breaking -->| davidw (HydraIRC@roam250-118.fas.harvard.edu) has joined #bloggercon201 buzzmachine hoder: i'm trying to blog this too. buzzmachine ethan zuckerman said you provided a roadmap for how we can get blogging to grow in other countries. buzzmachine jim moore, a democratic activist, is now talking about the effort to get non-a-listers to blog buzzmachine he sees mch hope in aggregators. davidw jeff is now talking... RebeccaMack about hoder davidw He's talking about Hoder...an Iranian ex-pat who'd be here but he couldn't get a visa. Dowbrigade If the non-a-listers WERNT blogging there would be no A list, would there? Betsy_Devine James Moore (who proposed a kind of affirmative action for international bloggers)--I've been thanked for linking to third-world blogs. A traffic spike does say you're connected. Dowbrigade rather, its getting people to READ the non-A-listers hoder Thanx Jeff davidw JeffJ says that Hoder has changed the world davidw 100,000 Iranian bloggers. Iranian is the third-most used language on the Web. The VP of Iran blogs. Dowbrigade Or do the A-listers act as human aggregators and filters directing people to smaller, momentary sources of note Betsy_Devine Jeff Jarvis, is talking about Hoder and how he and blogging in Iran have changed the world. hoder Bush has changed the wordl! adamhill evil power law rears its ugly head, should I heckle Clay in #202 for you Betsy :) davidw Hoder, we will change Bush. davidw We will change him for someone else hoder Wish we could vote for Kerry as Canadians! Betsy_Devine davidw, thank you for covering the talk andrea_livinginc Me too. davidw JJ: We need to provide the tools that let the rest of the world blog. davidw (Says JJ) buzzmachine rebecca also quoted you guys on the need for non-American-centric tools like technorati Betsy_Devine Jeff, "Hoder has that roadmap. What was done in Iran can be done in Iraq. They need tools. They need to be able to send email from blogs, because they don't have easy access. buzzmachine hoder... an iranian who reads you here says you came along at the right time when people needed more information and papers were being shut down Dowbrigade Seems to me that S. Korera proves if enough people have decent and fast access, blogs will sprout like mushrooms after a summer rain davidw The Iranian says that the timing was good. There are 1-2M people with Net connections in Iran. -->| Al-Wayztravelin (~web@pD95750EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #bloggercon201 Fons like China: we have 300,000 weblogs expected to grow to 1 million in a few years time hoder How to make a blogosphere: http://hoder.com/weblog/archives/010415.shtml davidw Judith Messkill is talking. Fons who is she? ezuckerman Love the article, Hoder. Hoping to use it as a roadmap for some of my work in sub-Saharan Africa hoder China would be the next thing after Islam and terrorism and Blogs will be a big part of our connection to tit Dowbrigade Timing is essential. Number of blogs is already way beyond the ability of anyone to pay attention to all andrea_livinginc There is an enormous growth in China/Chinese blogs - quantity wise, but quality-wise it has yet to take off Betsy_Devine Judith Meskill, "I write about knowledge workers, I am in daily contact with Dina Mehta in India, who has a different perspective from the US one." davidw Judith Meskill: www.meskill.net/weblogs/ Fons true, Andrea Dowbrigade How to get the strategically positioned voices in front of enough eyeballs quickly enough to make a difference? andrea_livinginc the political environment in china is not conducive for the kind of blogs we see in America Dowbrigade News, after all, has a short shelf life Fons But you see it in the US: when you have enough quantity, some qualityh will come hoder Can someone read this in the session on behalf of me: davidw Rebecca: Can this have a real impact on foreign policy? andrea_livinginc this is evident after the recent shutdown of major blog hosts andrea_livinginc it has a chilling effect davidw Yes, Hoder. hoder "Weblogs are creating social bridges in a deeply divided society of Iran. The central part of all these bridges is a social dialogue between two generations, those born before 1970s and those after. It's the first time that the younger generation is actually speaking to the other one. This is why weblogs are important more than anything." Fons not really a big problem, even Isaac seemed not very impressed davidw Paul Frankenstein: It depends on the type of gov't you're dealing with davidw PF: China is not going to listen to blogs. davidw Hoder - one of us will try to get the floor for you... Fons China is changing greatly because of the internet Fons not yet the blogs, but that will come BloggerCon201 fons, can you talk more about the chinese change Fons today Chinese media reported about the disaster in Chongqing Fons Two years ago they would not have davidw Rebecca: Suppose China and the US are about to have a trade war. Could blogging change the way the people and then the gov't see it davidw Britt Blaser: Could blogging reinvigorate the Sister City concept? Fons because the chatrooms disclosed this kind fo thing, they media have to follow davidw Reporter from Christian Science Monitor: Getting email from the other side in Kosovo was a "very interesting experience"... Fons Traditional media in China fear the internet as competiton davidw Hoder, still waiting to be called on... Dowbrigade Not only in China... Fons I know, that is why internet is fun davidw Reporter from CSM: I didn't know how to think about this. It upset my perception of "the people on the other side" Right and wrong became a lot fuzzier. davidw JeffJ is reading Fons from the IRC. davidw Ethan is reading Hoder's comment about the social bridges buzzmachine fons, hoder; your comments are being read now. davidw Rebecca: Wow. Fons good hoder tnx davidw Rebecca is reading from Hoder's blog. hoder We need tools that index popular posts based on languages. And then initiatives to get them translated. brittb Dwight Eisenhower: "I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it." Betsy_Devine hoder: http://feedster.net/search.php?hl=&ie=UTF-8&q=%7BDATE%3E2003%7D+weblog_lang%3Dfa&btnG=Search&sort=date davidw "But only after we've bombed the shit out of them." hoder English bloggers in other countries do not represent the average internet users. cam early adopters... hoder Blogospheres must be in their local langauges Betsy_Devine Feedster keeps track of the languages blogs claim (fa is Farsi)--Google does also Dowbrigade Unforeseeable future events will define the outcome of this process, all we can do is get in place and be ready for the shit to hit the fan ezuckerman hoder - agreed. But how do we improve crossover between blogospheres in one language and in another language. Do we create dozens of Iranfilters? hoder feedter doesn't sort them by popularity, does it? Fons Barcelona bombings caused a spike in Spanish weblogs I heard this evening Fons I'm not promoting more bombings though davidw "Is it good for the blogs?" - 21st century question... Betsy_Devine hoder, no, we don't. We sort by date. hoder Some charity funds can be spent to translate these popularity indexes to English cam blog-hosting is becoming a liability for any organization who is trying to force change davidw Steve Silver says that an article said that great NEt access in totalitarian countries increases gov't control. Dowbrigade Machine trnaslations is far from being ready for prime time. Better to rely on caddres of multilingual bloggers cam or, enable change davidw JeffJ: It was unmitigated crap -->| tokorozawa (~chatzilla@203-216-100-072.dsl.gol.ne.jp) has joined #bloggercon201 buzzmachine link to the new republic story mentioned above here: http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2004_03_27.html#006689 cam isn't that how the Bush administration operates? andrea_livinginc the challenge is not so much about language - i think we can easily find bilingual speakers to do translations. the real challenge is to get people from one country to get interested in other country's local / national concerns Fons very true again, Andrea! ezuckerman andrea - I think that's certainly true, but really good machine translation or better hand translation efforts would have a big impact very quickly hoder Local celebrities should be dragged to weblogs! Dowbrigade Americans are the WORST in that department. Most Americans think that if it happened outside the US it didn't matter Betsy_Devine Rebecca: "I don't think we can assume that because blogs exist, that enables truth. You also enable extremism and closed goups agreeing about some minority group they hate." andrea_livinginc looking at the "China" blogsphere which is made up of English bloggers and Chinese ones, I can already see two different sets of interests ezuckerman yep, we see that in tha African blogosphere as well... Fons yep Dowbrigade You can lie on a blog as easily as in person - easier, as no one can see your eyes Fons Even that does not help Fons there are fundamental differences in culture you have to deal with andrea_livinginc yes, Ethan, having a good machine translation tool would free people from translating and bring them right into writing andrea_livinginc right now, i spend too much time on translation and not enough in getting my own views out buzzmachine The Iranian man whose name I don't know said that people tend to link to the bloggers with whom they disagree. Betsy_Devine Rebecca: "To what extent are bloggers breaking down barriers if people stick to reading blogs that validate their own world view?" ezuckerman andrea - take a look at blogalization.com... buzzmachine Jim Mooore says that's a problem of the world and not just blogosophere Dowbrigade Some VERY smart people have been working on machine translation for 20 years, and progress is SLOW Fons But every problem of the world is a problem of the blogoshpere buzzmachine yes, fons. davidw Jim Moore: Reaching out to use this technology isn't a technology question but requires a shift in values. buzzmachine blogs are an avatar for the world, eh? andrea_livinginc what Fons pointed out is very true: reference points varies across cultures...and I guess calls the question of whether we can build a "global common" out of blogosphere Fons In China being anti-Japanese is very popular on the internet Dowbrigade Did the printing press change the world? How long did it take? How many generations? Do we have the time to wait? Fons It can become a very nationalistic sentiment buzzmachine Jay Rosen said we shouldn't look just for big impact: blogs changing the government of china? No. But it has an impact on a people-to-people level. davidw JayRosen: I'd like to be more of a global blogger because it's important. But if it requires 6 hours a day of perusing and languuage skills I don't have, then I won't do it. buzzmachine True. I've learned a great deal from Hoder and Zeyad and been lucky enough to find relationships I could not have found before. Fons but not necessarily in the good direction (or what we think is good) davidw JRosen: But there are other ways to demonstrate I'm a global citizen. Fons Many Chinese want to demnonstrate they hate the Japanese davidw JayR: E.g., maybe I should be able to just register that I'm particularly interested in particular parts of the world. davidw JayR: We need more ways to capture interests and store them as data. Dowbrigade Do I have more in common with a blogger in Albania or my neighbor who only reads People magazine? Or an illiterate laborer in Brazil? hoder I'm posting my comments here: http://hoder.com/weblog/archives/010481.shtml davidw Ethanz: Interest is one of the few commodities that we have. davidw EZ:I blog about Africa in part because of the feedback I get, even though I'd get more traffic if I blogged about tech Betsy_Devine Ethan Zimmerman: "The feedback I'm getting from people who say, 'I would never have known about that story.' " hoder We need an Arabic blogoshpere davidw Hoder, isn't there one already? buzzmachine amen, hoder! hoder It's very importnat now for differenet reasons, many of them political buzzmachine davidw: persian yes, arabic, no davidw Hoder, does that mean an Arabic-specific aggregator? hoder Iranians speake Persian, not Arabic Betsy_Devine EZ, we need some matchmaking. Language is another problem. I'd like to see a stepup of projects like blogalization that translate from one language to another. Fons why the difference: why no arabic? buzzmachine there needs to be the arabic-language hoder, to start buzzmachine and there need to be arabic language blogging tools buzzmachine and arabic language blogging stars, including expats Dowbrigade Good question, Fons, why in that region is Iran orders of magnitude ahead of all the other countries? davidw Someone: I'm in a very small blog community that has a good international component, but we're not talking about politics buzzmachine it's hoder's map, moved to other nations. buzzmachine right, hoder? hoder Right, Iranian experince can be used almost anywhere davidw That seems to me to be right: We're more likely to speak with others about shared interests. Fons China has 300,000 weblogs, but nobody wants to stand out davidw What, Fons, there's no Chinese A-List?? :) Fons not really, no davidw Oh, wait, that's the session in Room 204. buzzmachine why, fons? andrea_livinginc There is a China A-list; but not on politics. Fons culture, partly buzzmachine fear of getting zapped by aurhorities? davidw Fons, that's fascinating, especiallly since we're beginning to believe that power laws and barbell shapes are *inherent* properties of networks. Fons when you stand out, you get into problems Betsy_Devine Woman whose name I don't know: "International blogging doesn't have to be politics. In our little god-blog community, we share interests with other community members in other countries." davidw We have a cliche for that: "The tallest nail gets hammered down." ezuckerman fons - which servers are folks using in China to host blogs? Fons mostly local ones ezuckerman can you give me a couple of names? Fons move away since the recent blocks Fons blogbus.com still the largest Fons 15,000 hoder We should promote Unicode standard among English speaking programmers. Many tools do not work well with Unicode and this sucks. Fons many blogs went underground in the past month hoder we can get English teaching institutes to promote blogs among their students. davidw Jeez, I thought unicode was widely accepted. hoder kinja for example doesn't support Unicode, so are many RSS readers ezuckerman davidw - unicode is difficult for folks to implement well/fully buzzmachine i'll beat up on denton with you. buzzmachine denton does want to include international blog lists buzzmachine in kinja hoder I'd suggest them to add some other versions for their fantastic service in different languages and get an editor for each version. adamhill unicode is *hard* but not insoluable, mostly it is the developer understanding the issues and the code points that are borken hoder for Kinja Betsy_Devine ejovi: "If I go to Nigeria and get a couple of hundred ppl to start blogs, nothing will happen until a US blogger starts to point to one of them." buzzmachine good idea, hoder. great idea. buzzmachine the world wants a palce to start with blogs, which is what kinja is. hoder Each editor pickes the best ofposts in a languages buzzmachine now you could start in new languages and nations. ezuckerman adam - agreed. but my sense is that unicode is not one of the first things most people building social software think about. We need to find some wyas to address that... buzzmachine you want to start a kinja for iranian blogs? davidw JRosen: "Tell the world" is a powerful thing. But the world has to be able to hear. If the standard is getting on CNN, we'll fail most of the time. hoder We also need blog-to-email services such as Nloglet hoder sorry.. Bloglet buzzmachine ethan: if we talk about needing to consider accessiblity for the disabled then we also should talk about international accessibliity of software and services. davidw JRosen: But if you could bring a world to those people... davidw EZ: But there are also times when you do need to show up on CNN. adamhill its all mindshare, Ethan, 4 years ago, i didnt have a clue about I18N, now I dont make a move without setting CultureInfo (in NET) and i never assume 8bit bytes anymore if I go lowlevel davidw EZ: We need to figure out how to jump the gap from blogs to mainstream media on those occasions when we need to do it davidw Dave Winer: We have to change the mainstream media... Fons when mainstream media go down it will happen automatically Dowbrigade This will get increasingly HARDER as mainstream media feels more and more threatened by blogs Fons so, they will take over to survive davidw Dave Winer: Let's try an experiment and try to get CNN to cover the death of Americans in Iraq. They don't even cover that. Dowbrigade They will TRY to take over the Blogosphere Fons I estimate they will if they act not too late hoder "Email is very crucial in developing countries and it beats censorship. Bloglet-like services should be expanded. They send out emails including favorite weblog posts everyday using their RSS feeds. (I have over 5,000 subscribers to my blog through Bloglet amazing service. See the list here. many of them are Iranian websites.)" Dowbrigade Most of the bloggers I know WOULD be suseptible to the right kind of bribes or buyoffs hoder http://www.bloglet.com/BrowseSites.aspx?sort=0&filter=2 Fons everybody is Dowbrigade Like money or jobs, for example andrea_livinginc Hoder: It would also be helpful to have a email to blog services. Dowbrigade isn't email to blogs one of the first things to emerge, already? hoder I've never used email-toblog actually andrea_livinginc dowbrigade - that's not widespread in countries like CHina hoder never needed that davidw JeffJarvis: So, what do we want? Dowbrigade Me neither, but I have heard it exists and is easy to use hoder never heard anyone useing it among Iranians I mean davidw JJ: Why not adopt countries because you're interested in them? andrea_livinginc services like secured email (strong encryption) to blog would be useful Dowbrigade Many of us have done this, informally. Are you susgesting a more organized effort davidw JJ: We need tools in Arabic and other languages. We need unicode to work. Fons and more proxies of course :-) davidw Dowbrigade, I'm reporting what JJ is saying. And I think he is not asking for anything formal. davidw JJ: We could be sending our used laptops... Fons we only want the latest here in China davidw Someone: I've adopted Cuba. But there are infrastructure issues. Very few computers. I'm getting frustrated. -->| Tantek (~Tantek@user-vcaunfg.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #bloggercon201 davidw JJ: But you can become a bridge into and out of Cuba. Betsy_Devine JJ: we should be getting to adopt countries. I never expected by be blogging about Iran. Dowbrigade machine trnaslation, text to voice, voice to text, hurry up we need you adamhill we have the ear of the Ecto-Windows guy on #joiito, he writes in .NET, so he should be doing it right from the get go, it not i can nudge him in the right direction davidw Ethan Z: Rebecca knows boatloads about N Korea which makes her a good "editor" for blogs, filtering and providing context. Betsy_Devine EZ: "Another critical piece--the reason Rebecca has been so effective in blogging about North Korea is that she knows a boatload about the area." davidw EZ: I want to build a bridge between talk radio and blogging. In West Africa, the discussion we hear on blogs here in W Africa occurs on talk ardaio davidw ardaio=radio Betsy_Devine EZ"I'm dragging Joi Ito to Ghana. The other bridge I'd like to build is between blogs and talk radio, in this country. That is where political conversaion going on. davidw exchanges a meaningful glance with Betsy as we provide parallel coverage... Fons better double than nothing Betsy_Devine is grateful that we seem to agree what's going on here. davidw I do zone out unpredictably... hoder "Mainstream media can start some radio programs reading blogs, either English ones or translations of them. Radio is the best medium to promote blogs with." hoder Young journalists who have their own blog, can change the attitude of the mainstream media towards blogging. We already doing it in Iran. Shargh newspaper covers blogs almost everyday. davidw Jim Moore: The Dean campaign did talk radio + instant messaging. You could IM in and then they'd call you up and get you on the radio. No need for an 800 number. The cost of doing talk radio went down. davidw Too bad Chris Lydon isn't on the IRC, hoder. But he's in the room. And he'd agree with you 110% Dowbrigade But why is talk radio overwhelmingly conservative? Why is the liberal network failing? davidw Someone: Lots of ex-pats are using your local library to get news from home. So, there are people whom we could approach to build these bridges. Betsy_Devine Your local public library is where you can full of people who are using Yahoo in French, using Hotmail in French... Dowbrigade Interfaces between local blogs and ex-pats blogs is one promising route Betsy_Devine "Let's get the people inour public libraries to start blogging in their native languages, and the ppl back home will start reading them." -->| loujosephs (~chatzilla@dialup-4.249.138.137.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net) has joined #bloggercon201 Betsy_Devine Rebecca, we need more web-based software, stuff that isn't keyboard-specific." adamhill 1) the liberal network has just started 2) it now has to battle against the RL's of radio, so *failure* is gonna be the lowhanging fruit for people to grab at -->| yabob (~bloggerco@roam250-70.fas.harvard.edu) has joined #bloggercon201 Dowbrigade Also we need to "seed" by setting up Berkman-like Manilla servers around the world offering free, easy to use blogs to intresting communities of writers and observers davidw Matt who worked on Chris Lydon's The Blogging of the President on radio says that the mix of radio and blogging was fantastic. Fons and good webcasts hoder There could be some radio shows only based on people's voice messages reading their own blogs. Betsy_Devine http://ghanaweb.com/ (says EZ) is a great example. The expats seem to be getting it first. davidw Chris Lydon: I thought the radio part was vastly more successful than the internet part. We had streaming problems and the email response other than on the radio was slow. ezuckerman hoder - I'd like to go the other way, too, getting transcripts from talk radio in some parts of the world posted as blogs, open to comments davidw Chris: Radio is the blogging of the third world. -->| yonderboy (mod@234.seattle-11rh15rt.wa.dial-access.att.net) has joined #bloggercon201 davidw Rebecca: We have 5 mins? Have we not discussed something? davidw Ted: Last year at BloggerCon, I heard "international" once. So, this is a big improvement. Dowbrigade Content cannot be divorced from Form. Pictures? Colors? Icons? Spatial relationships? -->| stephanietheng (~stephanie@cm196.omega99.maxonline.com.sg) has joined #bloggercon201 hoder Iranian vice-president bloging stephanietheng test comment Fons yeah, hoder, we still waiting for the Chinese one to join adamhill Dowbrigade: the software is out there, HW is easy to get from corps, the lynchpin is *people* that care to keep things running, the politics of a given "blog container" can be non existant or highly charged, finding tech heads to deal with that is hard to do, I bet EZ has some of the these issues in his projects too (techical/social expertise) davidw Ted: Dwight Eisenhower started "people to people international." How do you reach 100M Americans to help them find an interest in the world? Dowbrigade South Korea prsident, after winning election, gave very first interview to a blog davidw We get more interested in a country once we've bombed it. Fons interview to a blog, how does that work? hoder Iranian vice-president is blogging. He loves blogs and posts everyday himself. His mobile photos are amazing. stephanietheng Hi I'm living in Singapore, a recent blogger to Indonesian politics davidw Someone says that reaching kids would be good. ezuckerman AH - I largely agree - the people are the biggest challenge... but there are some very real software issues we need to work through... hoder http://www.webnevesht.com/en/othersphotos.asp adamhill wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! davidw JJ: A friend of mine is trying to get Iranian and US kids to share their school newspapers. Betsy_Devine Somebody "I think it would be great to start with Ethan's map, and people could volunteer to cover some of the under-reported areas on that map." adamhill thats the first *real* political blog I have seen!! <--| yabob has left #bloggercon201 adamhill Howard and Kerry should take a lesson davidw Wenevshet is the VP? hoder david yes, he is davidw Wow! Dowbrigade link to Ethan's map? sorry if I missed it, following 3 chats simult Fons so, when are you there, hoder? stephanietheng Hi Just curious.. it's 2:45 am where I am now. Whats the time now in the US? hoder Fons, where? Fons VP? adamhill he writes about coffee protocols! hoder Photoblogs can be very helpful, especially for those who can't write in English very well but are wealthy enough to get a digital camera and a big hosting space. We should promote them. -->| xena (~xena@espians.com) has joined #bloggercon201 adamhill awesome yonderboy .time edt xena sorry, invalid timezone, or offset is out of range. yonderboy .time pdt xena sorry, invalid timezone, or offset is out of range. <--| xena has left #bloggercon201 Betsy_Devine ejovi, "If half the people in the room adopted a country, nobody would notice it. If Joi Ito adopted one, that would be noticed. I think we'll get more action by adopting a politician." ezuckerman dow - on my blog: blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethan adamhill Don Park had the wholy joking 'cam photo' blog idea, it might not be to bad Dowbrigade Smack dab on the Ecuator, pacific coast of South America, its time for lunch (1:46) |<-- cam has left irc.freenode.net ("all patriot, no act") |<-- seefeld has left irc.freenode.net ("User disconnected") |<-- Betsy_Devine has left irc.freenode.net ("Bye from Betsy!") <--| yonderboy has left #bloggercon201 ("bye") |<-- AccordionGuy has left irc.freenode.net ("Oops. This machine just fell asleep") Dowbrigade Excellent session, everyone, I ook forward to going over the transcript and recording and commenting more fully davidw We'd do better by buying politicians. Fons when you meeting was half as good hoder liberal uS bloggers should pay attention to Internatinal blogging... It's not out of their agenda davidw Session is over. buzzmachine i'm going to room 204 |<-- Dowbrigade has left irc.freenode.net ("ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040113]") Fons forget the americans, hoder, go for the chinese :-=) davidw I like the "adopt a country" idea, even though it seems pretty condescending. andrea_livinginc we need a global aggregator that gives fair representation of each nation davidw Also, internationalizing communities of interest is promising, IMO. Fons I would adopt the US <--| loujosephs has left #bloggercon201 davidw Please do, Fons. And give us a good spanking when we need it. Fons no prob |<-- Sooz has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) BloggerCon201 10 minutes till next session hoder Liberal US bloggers should pay attention to internatinal blogging. It's not out of their agenda to enlighten people and to get Bush administration out of the white house. Have you ever seen a single mention of internatinal blogs in Talking points Memo or Echaton etc.? <--| Fons has left #bloggercon201 davidw The next one in 201 is on religion. andrea_livinginc Thanks everyone. It was a very good discussion here, even though I couldn't listen to the session live Al-Wayztravelin Thanks everybody for a good discussion. hoder me 2 stephanietheng yes i coudn't lsiten to thew live session either. what went on? stephanietheng listen.. sorry hoder Hope the clips would be onlne soon andrea_livinginc hoder: we need to find a way to "push" not-American topics to the American liberals [ERROR] Connection to irc://irc.freenode.net/ (irc://irc.freenode.net/) closed with status 2152398868. 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